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Matthew Le God

Matthew Le God

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  On 31/12/2024 at 12:57, saintant said:

More capacity would be great but Bmuff are a fine example proving that what you have on the pitch is more important than how many you have sat in the stands. I'm sure they'd love a new stadium but right now their team is streets ahead of ours. And I get that you are now going to completely rubbish the way I've argued my point so fire away 🙂

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It isn't a choice of one or the other for the reasons I've already outlined. Both can be done simultaneously and one helps the other.

sfc4prem

sfc4prem

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  On 31/12/2024 at 12:59, Matthew Le God said:

It isn't a choice of one or the other for the reasons I've already outlined. Both can be done simultaneously and one helps the other.

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It makes me wonder why I haven't seen any grand plans on stadium relocation or expansion from the billions-backed Bournemouth...

Turkish

Turkish

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  On 31/12/2024 at 12:29, Matthew Le God said:

It might not be done as debt. The club accounts show Solak has put into the club accounts significantly more than that into the club since the takeover. So he has available funds for that, so why not for this?

Even in the Championship we averaged 29k+ last season, with numerous sold out games that would have sold more if the extra seats were there. A key reason why it wasn't even higher than 29k in the Championship was away teams not selling out 3k allocations.

Plus, infrastructure developments shouldn't be decided on short term fluctuations between leagues. That can happen to any club. A long term approach is needed and if you keep putting it off even when you sellout to watch one of the worst top flight teams we've ever had, it shows current capacity is too small.

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So your plan for paying for it is to expect the owner to write out a cheque to cover it. 
 

also we don’t have to give away fans 3k, we can give them 1.7k as well so the empty seats in the championship aren’t  down to the away fans. Relying on them to fill our stadium is also barmy. 

yes I agree a long term strategy is needed.  But it shouldn’t include expecting the owner to cover the cost or being uncertain if we can actually sell the seats in the short and long term, it’s seems your long term plan is simply based on hope and entitlement. 

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John B

John B

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  On 31/12/2024 at 12:45, Matthew Le God said:

That is due to recruitment issues and in some ways due to opting for quantity over quality. No guarantee, but signing a £40m striker might have been better for us than signing two £20m attacking players like Onuachu and Sulemana. That doesn't mean infrastructure investment couldn't be done at the same time, the funding of them is exempt from rules so doesn't impact transfer funds.

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I am not sure a £40m would want to come here I cannot even remember the club paying a really high amount of money for a proven PL player ever even Bertrand was relatively cheap

In the past we had top class players coming through from our academy or were lucky buying cheap players like Mane Jrod VVD Clyne Wagnama? that CB that went to Liverpool and Tadic and Pelle through Koeman other teams are now doing this possibly paying more so we are left with the dregs

Matthew Le God

Matthew Le God

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  On 31/12/2024 at 13:10, CSA96 said:

Forest didn’t - what’s your point?

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That smaller clubs than Saints can sign £40m players. And that rather than going for quantity and signing Onuachu and Sulemana for £40m,  it may have been better to fork out all that money on a single player from a quality bracket above them. Like Bournemouth did this summer.

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Miltonaggro

Miltonaggro

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  On 31/12/2024 at 09:39, Matthew Le God said:

They've messed up a lot of things with us. But how do you think they've got Göztepe to 4th? Sure, you might not care about Göztepe, but they've done very well.

What does a protest or turning the stadium atmosphere toxic achieve? It doesn't help turn results around, if anything a negative match atmosphere makes it harder.

What do you what then to publicly acknowledge? What do you want them to publicly state about a plan that would satisfy you?

The business and football operation aren't seperate, they are intertwined. Increasing revenue helps us spend more on players and hopefully a better team performance. So it is not irrelevant at all.

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The Turkish Super Lig is a relatively low bar of achievement to be frank, and a bit like Scotland / Portugal the big two or three consistently dominate whilst the smaller clubs provide cameos.  In the UEFA Rankings the TSL is currently placed tenth, sitting between the Czech Republic and Austria in terms of standard.  Personally, Sport Republic's ownership of Turkish and French clubs doesn't bother me one way or another, providing their 'flagship club' (Solak's words) isn't negatively affected.

Matthew Le God

Matthew Le God

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  On 31/12/2024 at 13:16, Miltonaggro said:

The Turkish Super Lig is a relatively low bar of achievement to be frank, and a bit like Scotland / Portugal the big two or three consistently dominate whilst the smaller clubs provide cameos.  In the UEFA Rankings the TSL is currently placed tenth, sitting between the Czech Republic and Austria in terms of standard.  Personally, Sport Republic's ownership of Turkish and French clubs doesn't bother me one way or another, providing their 'flagship club' (Solak's words) isn't negatively affected.

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Sure, I'm not going to deny it is no where near PL level. But they've still done very well with a club that has struggled to compete at the top end of the top flight for a very long time.

CB Fry

CB Fry

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  On 31/12/2024 at 13:04, Turkish said:

So your plan for paying for it is to expect the owner to write out a cheque to cover it. 
 

also we don’t have to give away fans 3k, we can give them 1.7k as well so the empty seats in the championship aren’t  down to the away fans. Relying on them to fill our stadium is also barmy. 

yes I agree a long term strategy is needed.  But it shouldn’t include expecting the owner to cover the cost or being uncertain if we can actually sell the seats in the short and long term, it’s seems your long term plan is simply based on hope and entitlement. 

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Absolutely fanciful to think that money for a stadium expansion that we don't hugely need will come from some "other" magic pot of money that won't impact player trading.

It hit clubs like Arsenal for multiple seasons, and if nothing else it will be used as an excuse to not plunge for this or that player or to hold back on transfer funds.

And lastly 10k extra seats and a cinema/etc really won't make that much difference to the team on the pitch as Fulham and Forest and Bournemouth are currently demonstrating. Those 10k seats aren't going to pay that much back to Dragan that he's just just to lump his own money in no questions asked.

Life is more complicated than a computer game.

 

 

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Matthew Le God

Matthew Le God

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  On 31/12/2024 at 13:35, CB Fry said:

Absolutely fanciful to think that money for a stadium expansion that we don't hugely need will come from some "other" magic pot of money that won't impact player trading.

It hit clubs like Arsenal for multiple seasons, and ifnothing else it will be used as an excuse to not plunge for this or that player.

And lastly 10k extra seats and a cinema really won't make that much difference to the team on the pitch as Fulham and Forest and Bournemouth are currently demonstrating. Those 10k seats aren't going to pay that much back to Dragan that he's just just to lump his own money in no questions asks.

Life is more complicated than a computer game.

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The amount of money an owner can put into the club for transfers is restricted. If you max that out then any infrastructure investments which are exempt can not impact transfer funds.

saintant

saintant

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  On 31/12/2024 at 13:35, CB Fry said:

Absolutely fanciful to think that money for a stadium expansion that we don't hugely need will come from some "other" magic pot of money that won't impact player trading.

It hit clubs like Arsenal for multiple seasons, and if nothing else it will be used as an excuse to not plunge for this or that player or to hold back on transfer funds.

And lastly 10k extra seats and a cinema/etc really won't make that much difference to the team on the pitch as Fulham and Forest and Bournemouth are currently demonstrating. Those 10k seats aren't going to pay that much back to Dragan that he's just just to lump his own money in no questions asked.

Life is more complicated than a computer game.

 

 

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Any minute now and you'll be told you have completely missed the point. The countdown starts now.

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Mr X

Mr X

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  On 31/12/2024 at 09:31, Matthew Le God said:

What checks are you suggesting they should have done that they didn't do? Plus why would Gao care beyond getting the best price possible?

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On the second point that is true he wouldn't care beyond getting back what he paid for the club but I guess stuff like have these owners got experience/track record of running a successful football club can they prove knowledge in player recruitment, is the board made of football people etc etc... all ifs and buts but too late now 

benali-shorts

benali-shorts

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  On 31/12/2024 at 10:53, Turkish said:

TBF the CVs of the leaders stack up quite well. Dragon a billionaire, Rasmus has been a director at Brentford who did well whilst he was there (seems to be in-spite of not because of though) and also part time chairman of Midtjylland where they are in the most successful period ever. Kraft is meant to be worth £2b himself and an investor.

BTW Kraft seems to be escaping a lot of the flack with most of it directed towards Rasmus. Kraft is chairman of Saints with Phil Parsons as CEO. It seems Rasmus is the president of Goztepe whereas Kraft and Parsons are more involved in Saints.

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I’d be amazed if Kraft is worth anything like that, give his career / background. 
SR’s lack of investment in a competent Board at either club or Group level is astounding, and worrying (getting the Dyson factory foreman was obviously a hell of a coup though). 
Agreed also that Kraft should be taking responsibility for the current shambles much more - including his appointments of Parsons and the other guy who has a weird title related to D of F (but not quite D of F), and their inability to positively impact us. 

CB Fry

CB Fry

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  On 31/12/2024 at 13:38, Matthew Le God said:

The amount of money an owner can put into the club for transfers is restricted. If you max that out then any infrastructure investments which are exempt can not impact transfer funds.

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You seem to live in a computer game world which is awfully sweet.

Matthew Le God

Matthew Le God

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  On 31/12/2024 at 14:51, Convict Colony said:

I'd of thought any 30-40m player would destroy our pay structure which would have more impact than the transfer fee.

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Ramsdale was on £120k p/w at Arsenal, he'd be on similar here. That'll be more than Bournemouth are paying their big money buy Evanilson.

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Turkish

Turkish

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  On 31/12/2024 at 13:35, CB Fry said:

Absolutely fanciful to think that money for a stadium expansion that we don't hugely need will come from some "other" magic pot of money that won't impact player trading.

It hit clubs like Arsenal for multiple seasons, and if nothing else it will be used as an excuse to not plunge for this or that player or to hold back on transfer funds.

And lastly 10k extra seats and a cinema/etc really won't make that much difference to the team on the pitch as Fulham and Forest and Bournemouth are currently demonstrating. Those 10k seats aren't going to pay that much back to Dragan that he's just just to lump his own money in no questions asked.

Life is more complicated than a computer game.

 

 

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Chelseas stadium is only 7,000 larger than ours and they've spent nearly £1b on players in the last 3 years. Imagine how much we could spend if we had a 45k stadium. Come on Dragon, get your mastercard out, whack those seats on.

Matthew Le God

Matthew Le God

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  On 31/12/2024 at 14:57, Turkish said:

Chelseas stadium is only 7,000 larger than ours and they've spent nearly £1b on players in the last 3 years. Imagine how much we could spend if we had a 45k stadium. Come on Dragon, get your mastercard out, whack those seats on.

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Why do you think Saints (and other clubs) are looking into stadium expansions?

Turkish

Turkish

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  On 31/12/2024 at 14:57, Turkish said:

Chelseas stadium is only 7,000 larger than ours and they've spent nearly £1b on players in the last 3 years. Imagine how much we could spend if we had a 45k stadium. Come on Dragon, get your mastercard out, whack those seats on.

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  On 31/12/2024 at 15:18, Turkish said:

How much could we spend if we had a 45k stadium given Chelsea have a 40k one and can spend £1b in 3 years.

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  On 31/12/2024 at 15:36, Matthew Le God said:

That wasn't in your post. So answer my question first please.

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it was

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Matthew Le God

Matthew Le God

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  On 31/12/2024 at 15:38, Turkish said:

it was

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Nonsense! You said...

"Imagine how much we could spend if we had a 45k stadium."

This is not a question it is a statement with an implied thought or reflection rather than a direct inquiry seeking an answer. It lacks a question word (e.g., who, what, where, when, why, or how) and does not end with a question mark to indicate a direct request for information or clarification. Instead, it functions as a hypothetical statement or invitation to ponder, rather than explicitly asking for an answer.

Did you miss some primary school English classes? 

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Turkish

Turkish

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  On 31/12/2024 at 15:56, Matthew Le God said:

Nonsense! You said...

"Imagine how much we could spend if we had a 45k stadium."

This is not a question because it is a statement with an implied thought or reflection rather than a direct inquiry seeking an answer. It lacks a question word (e.g., who, what, where, when, why, or how) and does not end with a question mark to indicate a direct request for information or clarification. Instead, it functions as a hypothetical statement or invitation to ponder, rather than explicitly asking for an answer.

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Imagine - form a mental image or concept of.

Imagine how much we could spend if we had a 45k stadium

ergo - form a mental image or concept of how much we could spend if we had a 45k stadium. 

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Matthew Le God

Matthew Le God

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  On 31/12/2024 at 16:01, Turkish said:

Imagine - form a mental image or concept of.

Imagine how much we could spend if we had a 45k stadium

ergo - form a mental image or concept of how much we could spend if we had a 45k stadium. 

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"Imagine how much we could spend if we had a 45k stadium."

Using 'Imagine' is not the start of a question, it is a statement with an implied thought or reflection rather than a direct inquiry seeking an answer. It lacks a question word (e.g., who, what, where, when, why, or how) and does not end with a question mark to indicate a direct request for information or clarification. Instead, it functions as a hypothetical statement or invitation to ponder, rather than explicitly asking for an answer.

Come Turkish, I thought you were better than this! Primary school level here!

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Turkish

Turkish

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  On 31/12/2024 at 16:04, Matthew Le God said:

Using 'Imagine' is not the start of a question, it is a statement with an implied thought or reflection rather than a direct inquiry seeking an answer. It lacks a question word (e.g., who, what, where, when, why, or how) and does not end with a question mark to indicate a direct request for information or clarification. Instead, it functions as a hypothetical statement or invitation to ponder, rather than explicitly asking for an answer.

Come Turkish, I thought you were better than this! Primary school level here!

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Incapable of forming a mental image or concept then? Why am i not surprised Rain Man,

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Matthew Le God

Matthew Le God

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  On 31/12/2024 at 16:07, Turkish said:

Incapable of forming a mental image or concept then? Why am i not surprised Rain Man,

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You still aren't grasping this. It is not me unable to imagine things. You did not form it as a request to imagine and structure it as a question. 

You formed it as a statement with an implied thought or reflection rather than a direct inquiry seeking an answer. They was no question word. There was no question mark. Without them it is not a question.

Bored of this now.

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Turkish

Turkish

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  On 31/12/2024 at 16:21, Matthew Le God said:

You still aren't grasping this. You did not form it as a request to imagine and structure it as a question. 

You formed it as a statement with an implied thought or reflection rather than a direct inquiry seeking an answer. They was no question word. There was no question mark. Without them it is not a question.

Bored of this now.

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Me too, you could have formed a concept or mental image of how much we could spend with a 45k stadium but instead chose to be a bellend banging on about word which form questions. Given we've systematically destroyed your plans for how we can expand as being based on little more than hope and magic money trees this is all you are left with. Happy new year MLG, it was a pleasure destroying you again, it's been too long.

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Wade Garrett

Wade Garrett

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  On 31/12/2024 at 13:14, Matthew Le God said:

That smaller clubs than Saints can sign £40m players. And that rather than going for quantity and signing Onuachu and Sulemana for £40m,  it may have been better to fork out all that money on a single player from a quality bracket above them. Like Bournemouth did this summer.

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Like we did for Ramsdale.  I agree with MLG on this one.  We need quality over quantity.

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benali-shorts

benali-shorts

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  On 31/12/2024 at 15:46, Holmes_and_Watson said:

He's a busy man, so I guess only the flagship team in the group gets one. 😀

It can't possibly be him trying to bask in any credit from the club doing well, avoiding the others.

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The Narcissistic One is President of Goztepe, and has absolutely, definitely nothing to do with Saints whatsoever. None of this mess is his fault, he has been in Turkey the whole time. He will only be involved once things are going well, and then it will all be down to him, and nothing to do with Phil Giles or Matthew Banham. 

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Holmes_and_Watson

Holmes_and_Watson

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  On 31/12/2024 at 16:49, benali-shorts said:

The Narcissistic One is President of Goztepe, and has absolutely, definitely nothing to do with Saints whatsoever. None of this mess is his fault, he has been a Turkey the whole time. He will only be involved once things are going well, and then it will all be down to him, and nothing to do with Phil Giles or Matthew Banham. 

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Just quickly fixing that typo. 🙂

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John B

John B

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  On 31/12/2024 at 16:48, Wade Garrett said:

Like we did for Ramsdale.  I agree with MLG on this one.  We need quality over quantity.

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You are obviously correct but my point is why on earth would any £40m attacking player want to come to St Mary's 

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