what did WGS leave us with?

[Torbay Saint]

Is Gary Monk not doing a decent job at Swansea?? Is

Scott McDonald not playing for Strachan himself at Celtic, Brian Howard, he's dump right?. Now I've not enough temporal knowledge to say whether Strachan let those lads go or not but they were here, they aren't now.

 

You have to put it into context. Yes they are good players at Championship level (aside from McDonald). But Saints were in the Premiership at the time. We were looking to move up the league at the time and not into the Championship. You cannot keep Championship quality players in case you go down!!

[Window Cleaner]

You have to put it into context. Yes they are good players at Championship level (aside from McDonald). But Saints were in the Premiership at the time. We were looking to move up the league at the time and not into the Championship. You cannot keep Championship quality players in case you go down!!

 

But we never gave them a chance, that's the problem. I know you can't take risks with untested players in the Prem but to me he was too trigger happy with letting our younger players go, untried and untested. Chala was a decent player, so he didn't understand jock gibberish, so what, loads of others get by

in the globalised prem nowadays.

[Thedelldays]

Is Gary Monk not doing a decent job at Swansea?? Is

Scott McDonald not playing for Strachan himself at Celtic, Brian Howard, he's dump right?. Now I've not enough temporal knowledge to say whether Strachan let those lads go or not but they were here, they aren't now.

lol

 

none of them would have been nor are good enough to lace the boots of the position we were in...

 

lol

[Thedelldays]

But we never gave them a chance, that's the problem. I know you can't take risks with untested players in the Prem but to me he was too trigger happy with letting our younger players go, untried and untested. Chala was a decent player, so he didn't understand jock gibberish, so what, loads of others get by

in the globalised prem nowadays.

cream rises to the top...the rest make it another way or simply do not

[CB Fry]

Is Gary Monk not doing a decent job at Swansea?? Is

Scott McDonald not playing for Strachan himself at Celtic, Brian Howard, he's dump right?. Now I've not enough temporal knowledge to say whether Strachan let those lads go or not but they were here, they aren't now.

 

 

But this is just laughable. People moan about Lowe's "strategy after the cup final" being to pack the squad full of average journeymen instead of superstars but at the same time people moan about the likes of Scott McDonald and (wait for it) Gary Monk being let go.

 

Christ.

 

And for all you know it was the very act of being released that have made these players into the world beaters you seem to think they are today.

 

McDonald as any number of sources will say had an attitude problem at Saints and probably needed to be booted down a couple of levels to wake him up.

 

If you seriously think Gary Monk, Scott McDonald and Brian Howard would have added significantly to our mid table team post cup final, and been the difference between going down and staying up the following season, then fine. Moan away.

 

But the fact that none of those players ever have or ever will play in the top division tells me all I need to know. Not. ever. good. enough.

 

Whether they'd be good enough now is utterly irrelevent.

 

That's like telling the academy director or Jan now to not release any players of conference standard or better just in case we go down there in three years time.

[Window Cleaner]

But this is just laughable. People moan about Lowe's "strategy after the cup final" being to pack the squad full of average journeymen instead of superstars but at the same time people moan about the likes of Scott McDonald and (wait for it) Gary Monk being let go.

 

Christ.

 

And for all you know it was the very act of being released that have made these players into the world beaters you seem to think they are today.

 

McDonald as any number of sources will say had an attitude problem at Saints and probably needed to be booted down a couple of levels to wake him up.

 

If you seriously think Gary Monk, Scott McDonald and Brian Howard would have added significantly to our mid table team post cup final, and been the difference between going down and staying up the following season, then fine. Moan away.

 

But the fact that none of those players ever have or ever will play in the top division tells me all I need to know. Not. ever. good. enough.

 

Whether they'd be good enough now is utterly irrelevent.

 

That's like telling the academy director or Jan now to not release any players of conference standard or better just in case we go down there in three years time.

 

 

A very salient argument, until you reflect on players like David Prutton and Neil McCann.Acquired for a good few quid, probably no better than a few we'd let go.

[CB Fry]

A very salient argument, until you reflect on players like David Prutton and Neil McCann.Acquired for a good few quid, probably no better than a few we'd let go.

 

 

Jesus. So what? You pay a manager to make decisions, and the one we were paying at that point was the most successful manager for us in a generation.

 

If you can name a manager with a completely unblemished ins/outs record then fire away, but I know Ferguson, Wenger and the rest have made plenty of howlers in their time too.

 

When Brian Howard is playing for England you can start moaning about him being let go. Even Prutton turned out for the U21s.

[Torbay Saint]

A very salient argument, until you reflect on players like David Prutton and Neil McCann.Acquired for a good few quid, probably no better than a few we'd let go.

 

You are looking at the situation from the position we are currently in. Yes, they would be great additions now. But, you have to remember Strachan reportedly had a number of international class players in Lowe's office at the time: Drogba, Rosicky and even Adebeyor! We were looking at that end of the market. The players you mention are not in that class...surely??!?

[SaintRobbie]

You are looking at the situation from the position we are currently in. Yes, they would be great additions now. But, you have to remember Strachan reportedly had a number of international class players in Lowe's office at the time: Drogba, Rosicky and even Adebeyor! We were looking at that end of the market. The players you mention are not in that class...surely??!?

 

Thats a very good point.

[paulwantsapint]

WGS spent like a CCC manager

Telfer , Williams frees ( not bad )

Ormerod 1.7m ( good 3rd choice striker )

Fernandes 1.5 m ( best form for WGS )

Niemi 2m ( best in league )

Killer 2m ( LEGEND )

Marcus Hall free ( not needed cover for Bridge )

Prutton 2m ( had potential was best player prior to red card in relegation )

Higginbottom 1.5m ( Williams replacement as def cover )

Phillips 3m ( never played great with Beats better with Ormerod )

Le Saux .5m ( 3rd/ 4th best english Lb )

Mc Cannt 1.75m ( not good )

money gave to acadamey ?m ( WGS invested ?m to fund future thank **** )

 

About 15.25m plus whatever acadamey had was not a massive amount over 3 seasons

Gray brought 9.25 m in 3 months

Delap 4m

Andres .75m

Delgado ? 3.5m

Chala ? 1m

[up and away]

Originally Posted by up and away

WGS and HOddle were the best managers we had in recent times, But I would put more faith in Jack of the beanstalk than these two over purchases.

 

Phillilps - never delivered during his time with us and took a long time to even find his feet.

Killer - was Coopers signing.

Niemi - was not even WSG's preference

I thought Williams was WSG's best signing, followed by Telfer. Telfer was a donkey, but for the price and what he contributed I cannot complain.

Then look at all the bad signings and his record is very poor on the transfer front, nearly as bad as Hoddle. That said all managers have good and bad points and like you I still have so much regard for what WSG did for us. But looking back things had gone stale for WSG way before he left, we went on a terrible run of just picking up draws now and again in his last months of tenure. I firmly believe the rot had set in months before WSG had left, whether that was down to him knowing he was off or other factors, but it was evident.

you cant say it was coopers signing and cherry pick what is good and bad...ffs

phillips scored in his first game and played quite well..

i remember a lot of occaisions SMS signing "super kev"...he was a good player

 

It's not me doing the cherry picking but yourself. Go and look at the interview with Killer on Javi's site and you will see him mentioning Cooper and their contact way before WSG, even though he was signed during WGS tenure.

 

Phillips was never a bad player, but he never lived up to what he had done previously. I can only assume you never went to those games otherwise you would understand. As someone else has stated, Ormerod could be judged as more effective by some for what he did for Saints.

 

Dave Jones was the real hero of the transfer and his buys laid the foundation of our Premier stay for years to come. All managers have good and bad points, but I would still pick out WGS for what he did for us over Hoddle and Jones. The 1-0 win at home over ManU was the classic WGS and showed just how a fit well organized team could compete with the best and beat them. We played 2 banks of 4 and nullified anything that ManU tried to throw at us. Every player prepared to leave his foot in to make life difficult. Then Beattie being unstoppable in heading that goal with minutes to go.

 

I rate WSG as the best, but I don't need to be blind to the facts to come to that decision.

[Thedelldays]

that is saying ronaldo was not fergies signing...or rooney or fabregas was a wenger signing..

 

the buck stops with the manager if they are bad..soooooooooooooooooooooo