January 2021 transfer window

[Harry_SFC]

Sounds like we are prioritising renewing contracts in January rather than making signings. Although Ralph did hint that if we did do anything it would be a loan with an option to buy. I guess Brandon Williams might fit into that category.

[waylander]

10 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said:

Sounds like we are prioritising renewing contracts in January rather than making signings. Although Ralph did hint that if we did do anything it would be a loan with an option to buy. I guess Brandon Williams might fit into that category.

Bayer Leverkusen are in for Williams

[SuperSAINT]

42 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said:

Sounds like we are prioritising renewing contracts in January rather than making signings. Although Ralph did hint that if we did do anything it would be a loan with an option to buy. I guess Brandon Williams might fit into that category.

Not 100% sure Utd want to sell him yet .

[danjosaint]

6 hours ago, MarkSFC said:

Jack Harrison would be a decent replacement for Redmond, and left-footed which we do not have in that type of position. I would think he would cost upwards of 25m; is that where we'd want to spend that sort of money? I'm not sure. It would though annoy all my Leeds supporting mates who rate him highly. 

 My leeds mate also doesn't rate him at all, same comment as above about being a highlight player

Edited 23 December, 2020 by danjosaint

[Cartman]

6 hours ago, MarkSFC said:

Jack Harrison would be a decent replacement for Redmond, and left-footed which we do not have in that type of position. I would think he would cost upwards of 25m; is that where we'd want to spend that sort of money? I'm not sure. It would though annoy all my Leeds supporting mates who rate him highly. 

Dennis Man of Steaua Bucharest. 22 year old left-footed right winger, 15 goals and 6 assists in 15 games this season and available for around 15 million euros.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2msWEHWLzkk

[Dusic]

Don't see why people are talking about player for the '10' when we have four good ones competing for two places.

Full back and GK are surely the areas being looked at by the club, probably as part of a longer term plan.

[Danbert]

34 minutes ago, Dusic said:

Don't see why people are talking about player for the '10' when we have four good ones competing for two places.

Full back and GK are surely the areas being looked at by the club, probably as part of a longer term plan.

We are clearly in the market for a full back, preferably one we can get in on a loan before we buy. We need to get at least one keeper off our books, and Hoedt, if we can.

[Badger]

On 22/12/2020 at 16:54, hypochondriac said:

I didn't say he was an unsuccessful transfer, I said he's been a disappointment. Has failed to perform more often than not and hasn't shown the same level of improvement of others in the squad. 

 

20 hours ago, Ex Lion Tamer said:

Were expectations high when we signed him? He wasn't setting the world alight at Norwich. He turned out to be a first team player which was pretty good

Redmond has largely lived up to my expectations of him to be honest, I thought he was an average player at best before his arrival. Although he excelled for us the season he won Player of the Season he has now reverted to type, bit of speed but too often runs into blind alleys and does a stop-turn that Fabrice Fernandes would be proud of.

[SuperSAINT]

 

[hypochondriac]

Obafemi must have really messed up to fall to where he has so quickly. 

[Suhari]

48 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Obafemi must have really messed up to fall to where he has so quickly. 

A shame if his supposed poor professionalism is the cause.

Didn't he get a new contract no so long ago?

[Toadhall Saint]

1 hour ago, SuperSAINT said:

 

Is he any good? I mean does or has he shown he can fit into a RH style?

[saint1977]

2 hours ago, Badger said:

 

Redmond has largely lived up to my expectations of him to be honest, I thought he was an average player at best before his arrival. Although he excelled for us the season he won Player of the Season he has now reverted to type, bit of speed but too often runs into blind alleys and does a stop-turn that Fabrice Fernandes would be proud of.

Yep, this. Cost a higher end Championship fee when we sold Mane and has won POTS. Can be very good for spells as first XI and good squad player which is about what you’d expect for the fee which reflected he had a year to go on his contact at Carrow. Decent signing, better than many of Les’s but not an outstanding one.

[Turkish]

10 minutes ago, saint1977 said:

Yep, this. Cost a higher end Championship fee when we sold Mane and has won POTS. Can be very good for spells as first XI and good squad player which is about what you’d expect for the fee which reflected he had a year to go on his contact at Carrow. Decent signing, better than many of Les’s but not an outstanding one.

If you're judging him as a Les Reed signing then his lower half midtable. If you're judging him just on ROI and expectations he's been above midtable.

[saint1977]

Just now, Turkish said:

If you're judging him as a Les Reed signing then his lower half midtable. If you're judging him just on ROI and expectations he's been above midtable.

Probably fair, he has what, 2.5 years left on his latest contract and could probably get £20m or thereabouts if Ralph wanted to sell, so not been a bad signing at all. The timing of the signing was unfortunate in proximation to Mane’s sale, they are very different players, and also Claude’s foolish comments about him becoming a striker, which isn’t Nathan’s fault. 

[StrangelyBrown]

19 hours ago, qwertyell said:

Leeds fans say he's a highlights player; that he's only actually had about two good games all season. They're almost as frustrated with him as we are with Redmond.

It's true that he'll never play for City, though.

It's interesting that fans expect anything else from these sort of players. If they were consistent they would be among the best players in the world and playing for Barcelona, real Madrid, Liverpool, man city, etc...

I can't really think of any player in these positions who doesn't blow hot and cold and frustrate fans and doesn't play for a top team. For example when zaha was consistently doing it in one season for palace he was suddenly a £100m player.

[verlaine1979]

9 hours ago, StrangelyBrown said:

It's interesting that fans expect anything else from these sort of players. If they were consistent they would be among the best players in the world and playing for Barcelona, real Madrid, Liverpool, man city, etc...

I can't really think of any player in these positions who doesn't blow hot and cold and frustrate fans and doesn't play for a top team. For example when zaha was consistently doing it in one season for palace he was suddenly a £100m player.

In terms of goals/assists, Zaha is basically twice as productive as Redmond.

In fact, even Andros Townsend has been more productive than Redmond over an almost identical number of PL games and minutes.

Redmond isn't quick, he isn't a reliable finisher (particularly from distance) and as his last game proved, he doesn't have great technique or control. He's not terrible in any of those aspects either - just really, really middle of the road. Not a bad player to have in the squad, but if he's your main creative force (as he has been until very recently) he's going to disappoint more often than not.

[StrangelyBrown]

2 hours ago, verlaine1979 said:

In terms of goals/assists, Zaha is basically twice as productive as Redmond.

In fact, even Andros Townsend has been more productive than Redmond over an almost identical number of PL games and minutes.

Redmond isn't quick, he isn't a reliable finisher (particularly from distance) and as his last game proved, he doesn't have great technique or control. He's not terrible in any of those aspects either - just really, really middle of the road. Not a bad player to have in the squad, but if he's your main creative force (as he has been until very recently) he's going to disappoint more often than not.

I'm not defending Redmond and my comment was more general, but to say he doesn't have good technique or control is quite a statement - the player I see has good technique and when he's on his game has fabulous control, but for too long he has lacked confidence and more importantly makes poor decisions with the ball. On the flipside he does have good awareness of the game around him with intelligent runs and particularly playing against the ball which is sadly lacking from others who are lauded for their play with the ball - djenepo consistently causes us problems with his headless chicken approach to defending, Walcott frequently leaves gaping holes when he gives up the chase and Armstrong seems to give up the ball far too easily in ridiculous places. Unfortunately none of our number 10s are consistent or have a complete game, but all of them do a good job for a team who are giving the big boys a run for their money.

[danjosaint]

1 hour ago, StrangelyBrown said:

On the flipside he does have good awareness of the game around him with intelligent runs and particularly playing against the ball 

I totally disagree with that, I think he has poor awareness which leads to his poor decision making, so many of berties overlapping runs are missed, you can c bertie peed off then ends up slowly jogging back, seems to shoot when he should pass and visa versa, I'm not sure if it was Utd or Arsenal game but Armstrong made a great run and was clean through, Redmond didn't c pass and turned and went backwards 

[Chez]

23 hours ago, Toadhall Saint said:

Is he any good? I mean does or has he shown he can fit into a RH style?

I've watched him a fair bit (had him in my fantasy side last year, so you tend to focus on them) and I liked what I saw a lot. For starters, he is two footed. He looks completely at home at left back. I've not seen him play at right back, but at left back he gets to the byline and crosses with his left foot. None of this stop and get back onto your right peg and slow the game down rubbish.

From what I have seen, he loves to attack, bombs down the line, lots of overlapping and then once in the final third, he makes things happen with some decent crosses. I saw him in the game against Burnley (I think it was this time last year) run the show and quite rightly get MOTM. He was a real threat that day. He looked to have enough pace, decent first touch and real composure on the ball. Not sure he was terribly tested that day defensively and in other games I think his defending has been questioned by some, but I've personally not seen too many errors, maybe the odd bit of poor positioning.

I'm pretty sure I typed all this last year. Since then, he has just fallen down the pecking order, which I found strange. Shaw is perhaps a little more solid I guess, but Williams seemed ideal cover, yet they bought another.

I think he would be a perfect loan signing, but whether we can offer enough games to ensure a deal can be done, I am not sure. Newcastle and others have shown an interest, so I think we may miss out.

Edited 25 December, 2020 by Chez

[StrangelyBrown]

8 hours ago, danjosaint said:

I totally disagree with that, I think he has poor awareness which leads to his poor decision making, so many of berties overlapping runs are missed, you can c bertie peed off then ends up slowly jogging back, seems to shoot when he should pass and visa versa, I'm not sure if it was Utd or Arsenal game but Armstrong made a great run and was clean through, Redmond didn't c pass and turned and went backwards 

Lol - it seems we're in agreement (read what I said). I was talking about off the ball - where I think he does well. On the ball he makes poor decisions, but I personally think these are down to a lack of confidence and over thinking.

[Toadhall Saint]

5 hours ago, Chez said:

I've watched him a fair bit (had him in my fantasy side last year, so you tend to focus on them) and I liked what I saw a lot. For starters, he is two footed. He looks completely at home at left back. I've not seen him play at right back, but at left back he gets to the byline and crosses with his left foot. None of this stop and get back onto your right peg and slow the game down rubbish.

From what I have seen, he loves to attack, bombs down the line, lots of overlapping and then once in the final third, he makes things happen with some decent crosses. I saw him in the game against Burnley (I think it was this time last year) run the show and quite rightly get MOTM. He was a real threat that day. He looked to have enough pace, decent first touch and real composure on the ball. Not sure he was terribly tested that day defensively and in other games I think his defending has been questioned by some, but I've personally not seen too many errors, maybe the odd bit of poor positioning.

I'm pretty sure I typed all this last year. Since then, he has just fallen down the pecking order, which I found strange. Shaw is perhaps a little more solid I guess, but Williams seemed ideal cover, yet they bought another.

I think he would be a perfect loan signing, but whether we can offer enough games to ensure a deal can be done, I am not sure. Newcastle and others have shown an interest, so I think we may miss out.

Thanks much appreciated. Sounds right up our street. Only problem I can see is if we want a loan with an option to buy but if he is down the pecking order then it might happen.

[Charlie Wayman]

It seems pretty obvious to me that we will not be bringing in any new players in January. Ralph was fairly upfront about that as (a) any player that would improve us is beyond our financial means and (b) any young promising player would have to prove themselves at this level as a loanee before we brought them in permanently e.g. KWP but as Ralph explained KWP was already playing at a higher level so there was little risk involved.

[Matthew Le God]

3 hours ago, Charlie Wayman said:

It seems pretty obvious to me that we will not be bringing in any new players in January. Ralph was fairly upfront about that as (a) any player that would improve us is beyond our financial means and (b) any young promising player would have to prove themselves at this level as a loanee before we brought them in permanently e.g. KWP but as Ralph explained KWP was already playing at a higher level so there was little risk involved.

Can you see the conflict between the two statements?

[woodsaint1]

Unlikely we'll see many incomings this January window - other than a possible loan or if an great opportunity arises.

It looks like full back cover (versatile for both sides) remains a priority, hence the previous links to Williams and Maehle. Be happy if the only business we did was addressing this.

Outgoings-wise, it would be good to get Valery, Obafemi and Vokins out on loan. Give us an opportunity to get them some game time and assess whether they have a future here. Obafemi the most likely to be subject to any permanent offers and up to Ralph whether we take that up (given rumoured issues). Wouldnt be against him leaving permanently. Has demonstrated he can get goals in the PL but has slipped to 5th maybe 6th choice striker (behind Ings, Adams, Walcott, N'Lundulu and Long).

[the saint in winchester]

Yeah, I think the IN's will be totally depending on the OUT's column. We don't need anyone currently, but if there is demand for our players and anyone leaves, then we will likely need to bring in cover.

[East Kent Saint]

Can't see much Jan business happening at any club .

[Dusic]

Personally feel it would be stupid not to sign a fullback.

We are having our best season for ages but if one full back gets injuted or suspended then it gives us a major issue, let alone if both were missing at the same time.

Would imagine lots of good and getable players would be keen to join, so might as well use that to our advantage.

[DT]

Vestergard out for four weeks with serious injury we don't know about. Takes him neatly into the transfer window

[Matthew Le God]

2 hours ago, DT said:

Vestergard out for four weeks with serious injury we don't know about. Takes him neatly into the transfer window

We do know about it. Hasenhuttl talked about it in some depth on the press conference during the week.

Edited 26 December, 2020 by Matthew Le God

[DT]

Hasenhuttl: "Jannik Vestergaard was a good player for the past now, he has played some fantastic games, but I think Jack Stephens was a very good alternative for us today.” 
 

  

[DT]

1 hour ago, Matthew Le God said:

We do know about it. Hasenhuttl talked about it in some depth on the press conference during the week.

Ok. What is the injury, apart from ‘knee’. When did he sustain it? Don’t remember an incident in the last game but maybe others do. 

[DT]

5 hours ago, Dusic said:

Personally feel it would be stupid not to sign a fullback.

We are having our best season for ages but if one full back gets injuted or suspended then it gives us a major issue, let alone if both were missing at the same time.

Would imagine lots of good and getable players would be keen to join, so might as well use that to our advantage.

Think it will be The Utd lad on loan

[BARCELONASAINT]

Honestly can not see us signing anyone in January other than at best a loan. We are losing £3 million a month due to COVID and we will not see fans back in stadiums properly this season. While we are unlikely to be fighting a relegation battle this season Ralph will almost certainly be told to work with what he has and TBH that is probably the most sensible approach.

[Chez]

16 hours ago, DT said:

Think it will be The Utd lad on loan

We tried to get him in the summer, but for some reason Solskjaer said no. It took them an eternity to sign Telles (he signed on the last day of the window) and perhaps with Shaw's poor injury record he couldn't let Williams go until that deal was done. Can't see him objecting this time round, but you don't loan a promising player out only to see them sit on the bench. I wonder if United will insist on a number of appearances.

Edited 27 December, 2020 by Chez

[Chez]

6 minutes ago, BARCELONASAINT said:

Honestly can not see us signing anyone in January other than at best a loan. We are losing £3 million a month due to COVID and we will not see fans back in stadiums properly this season. While we are unlikely to be fighting a relegation battle this season Ralph will almost certainly be told to work with what he has and TBH that is probably the most sensible approach.

Agreed. The way clubs are run now, players are only really signed when gaps open up (when players are sold or contracts expire). The left back position might be one of those gaps, but as you say finances will dictate. A loan with a view to buy is the perfect scenario for us. It's taken us years to work that out for some reason, but paying off recently.

[waylander]

There have been suggestions that anyone incoming was dependent on Lazio buying Hoedt and finally shifting his wages off our outgoings. Any more word on that?

https://sportwitness.co.uk/lazio-southampton-wesley-hoedt-transfer-january/

Edited 27 December, 2020 by waylander
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[Matthew Le God]

3 minutes ago, waylander said:

There have been suggestions that anyone incoming was dependent on Lazio buying Hoedt and finally shifting his wages off our outgoings. Any more word on that?

Where?

[DT]

1 hour ago, Chez said:

We tried to get him in the summer, but for some reason Solskjaer said no. It took them an eternity to sign Telles (he signed on the last day of the window) and perhaps with Shaw's poor injury record he couldn't let Williams go until that deal was done. Can't see him objecting this time round, but you don't loan a promising player out only to see them sit on the bench. I wonder if United will insist on a number of appearances.

Thanks for the info. I hope we get him. Wonder if we have promised a number of appearances for Walcott too? 

[SaintsFan86]

I feel as much as we need a FB, We badly need someone next to Adams, to support ings. All our options are still only "potential" and it's unfair to expect anything more from them. 

Someone to open up space which would allow the number 10s to find those holes were definately glaring without Ings.

[pimpin4rizeal]

52 minutes ago, SaintsFan86 said:

I feel as much as we need a FB, We badly need someone next to Adams, to support ings. All our options are still only "potential" and it's unfair to expect anything more from them. 

Someone to open up space which would allow the number 10s to find those holes were definately glaring without Ings.

This even Adams to me doesn’t look like being a prolific scorer.. has has some nice parts to his games like strength hold up play and bringing others into play with some nice through balls but doesn’t look a natural finisher like ings.

And after him we are left with kids or long or playing Theo up front.. the latter is probably the better option but then weakens us in number 10

Edited 27 December, 2020 by pimpin4rizeal

[Harry_SFC]

5 hours ago, SaintsFan86 said:

I feel as much as we need a FB, We badly need someone next to Adams, to support ings. All our options are still only "potential" and it's unfair to expect anything more from them. 

Someone to open up space which would allow the number 10s to find those holes were definately glaring without Ings.

Agreed. Adams is a very good football player, but doesn't have the finishing ability of Ings. Although we won't sign another player as good as Ings, we do need a viable option to replace him when needed. Long & Obafemi aren't good enough, Walcott can do a job for a game or two but nothing more and Tella/N'Lundulu have potential but nothing more than that. 

I think we will get a full back in January and then a striker should be the priority in the summer.

[Matthew Le God]

7 hours ago, waylander said:

There have been suggestions that anyone incoming was dependent on Lazio buying Hoedt and finally shifting his wages off our outgoings. Any more word on that?

https://sportwitness.co.uk/lazio-southampton-wesley-hoedt-transfer-january/

The article does not say 'anyone incoming was dependent on Lazio buying Hoedt'.

[waylander]

7 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

The article does not say 'anyone incoming was dependent on Lazio buying Hoedt'.

I think it was @LeG on this forum

[Shroppie]

On 25/12/2020 at 23:35, woodsaint1 said:

Unlikely we'll see many incomings this January window - other than a possible loan or if an great opportunity arises.

It looks like full back cover (versatile for both sides) remains a priority, hence the previous links to Williams and Maehle. Be happy if the only business we did was addressing this.

Outgoings-wise, it would be good to get Valery, Obafemi and Vokins out on loan. Give us an opportunity to get them some game time and assess whether they have a future here. Obafemi the most likely to be subject to any permanent offers and up to Ralph whether we take that up (given rumoured issues). Wouldnt be against him leaving permanently. Has demonstrated he can get goals in the PL but has slipped to 5th maybe 6th choice striker (behind Ings, Adams, Walcott, N'Lundulu and Long).

At the recent Fans'Forum, Ralph made the point that he isn't keen on sending players on the verge of the squad out on loan as he wants players to learn to play in the system he wants, and other teams don't play that way. The obvious difficulty with that is the restricted game time available to fringe players.

[skintsaint]

Geordies now linked with loaning Brandon Williams in Jan. Seems he will be going somewhere.

[Chez]

Geordies would be a good option for Williams. They are certainly looking for a left back. The Chronicle offers some left back options https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/10-jamal-lewis-alternatives-newcastle-19541403 

 

I liked the look of Wolves' Ruben Vinagre, but I guess that ship has sailed with his season long move, although not sure he has played much at Olympiacos.

Edited 1 January, 2021 by Chez

[Convict Colony]

Interestingly i also stumbled upon Owen Wijndal this morning when i was checking out LB options on the continent, seems like a player but probably too much for us to spend unless its loan with buy in summer.

Would try and target french clubs though with their tv deal collapsing, maybe Romain Perraud from Brest, cheaper and can use Diallo to sell it to him.

[saint lard]

I think there might be some truth in us being in for Damarai Gray

[MarkSFC]

20 minutes ago, saint lard said:

I think there might be some truth in us being in for Damarai Gray

 

If true then surely Redmond or Djeneppo off???