January 2021 transfer window

[qwertyell]

1 hour ago, Suhari said:

Wonder if he could help us in the short term, given our injury problems?

I guess his time here is done though.

He's injured too.

[Monk]

Have we missed a temporary trick in Jack Wilshere? 

(especially if we're looking at this Brazilian 29 year old free agent?) 

[Give it to Ron]

3 minutes ago, Monk said:

Have we missed a temporary trick in Jack Wilshere? 

(especially if we're looking at this Brazilian 29 year old free agent?) 

No we don’t  have any more room in treatment area plus our wage bill means we can’t recruit that level.

[SKD]

5 minutes ago, Monk said:

Have we missed a temporary trick in Jack Wilshere? 

(especially if we're looking at this Brazilian 29 year old free agent?) 

can’t wait to see the reaction on here about this 😂

 

but I agree, I think he could have done a job, especially in one of the 10 roles, add a bit of creativity. 
 

if he stays fit, could be a great signing by Bournemouth 

[Give it to Ron]

6 minutes ago, SKD said:

can’t wait to see the reaction on here about this 😂

 

but I agree, I think he could have done a job, especially in one of the 10 roles, add a bit of creativity. 
 

if he stays fit, could be a great signing by Bournemouth 

Why have no Prem clubs come in for him?

[Monk]

8 minutes ago, Give it to Ron said:

No we don’t  have any more room in treatment area plus our wage bill means we can’t recruit that level.

He's on a very average weekly wage (for Champ) and higher pay as you play bonus. 

[Matthew Le God]

19 minutes ago, Monk said:

Have we missed a temporary trick in Jack Wilshere? 

(especially if we're looking at this Brazilian 29 year old free agent?) 

No he is injury prone and if Djenepo and Redmond are due back in a few weeks there is no need for him. What is the point in signing him only for us to have other number 10s return to fitness shortly after he arrives?

Edited 18 January, 2021 by Matthew Le God

[Give it to Ron]

Just now, Monk said:

He's on a very average weekly wage (for Champ) and higher pay as you play bonus. 

For Champ yes but there is a reason why he is at that level - he couldn’t get a game there before.

Looking at accounts and what Ralph said at weekend outside our financial limits.

[SKD]

10 minutes ago, Give it to Ron said:

Why have no Prem clubs come in for him?

1. How do you know they haven’t. As I understand it, he’s looking for regular game time rather than a big pay package. 
 

2. if they haven’t, you’d have to ask them why not Ron, I can’t help on that one I’m afraid. 

Edited 18 January, 2021 by SKD

[SKD]

5 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

No he is injury prone and if Djenepo and Redmond are due back in a few weeks there is no need for him. What is the point in signing him only for us to have other number 10s return to fitness shortly after he arrives?

Any premier league squad that fielded the bench we did on Saturday could do with whatever experience they can get. 

And before you say ‘blocking pathway etc.’ It’s only blocking it if they’re good enough, which as things stand, they’re not yet. 

[Matthew Le God]

7 minutes ago, SKD said:

Any premier league squad that fielded the bench we did on Saturday could do with whatever experience they can get. 

And before you say ‘blocking pathway etc.’ It’s only blocking it if they’re good enough, which as things stand, they’re not yet. 

Yes it was an inexperienced bench. But it is daft to sign a player until the end of the season if we only need to cover players missing for a few weeks.

[Lighthouse]

38 minutes ago, SKD said:

can’t wait to see the reaction on here about this 😂

 

but I agree, I think he could have done a job, especially in one of the 10 roles, add a bit of creativity. 
 

if he stays fit, could be a great signing by Bournemouth 

I like when people say this about players who are quite blatantly not going to stay fit.

[notnowcato]

It's Jack Wheelchair, FFS.  Technically brilliant in his late teens and early 20s, glass ankles since.  

[S-Clarke]

The last thing we need is an injury prone player.

[ally_uk]

So we will be signing noone then since we don't have a pot to piss in....

[S-Clarke]

Just now, ally_uk said:

So we will be signing noone then since we don't have a pot to piss in....

I'd be surprised if we get anyone.

This is the year to see some of the academy kids get more game time.

[Lighthouse]

3 minutes ago, ally_uk said:

So we will be signing noone then since we don't have a pot to piss in....

Unlikely, I didn't think he was great for Bolton.

[Badger]

1 hour ago, Lighthouse said:

Unlikely, I didn't think he was great for Bolton.

Thought his career never recovered on leaving Herman's Hermits to be honest.

[Chocolate Box]

46 minutes ago, Badger said:

Thought his career never recovered on leaving Herman's Hermits to be honest.

Sounds like "a must to avoid". Now, where's my coat?

[rooney]

Good job we did not sign Lallana either.

[Badger]

4 minutes ago, Chocolate Box said:

Sounds like "a must to avoid". Now, where's my coat?

Made me chuckle... along with the story that people though the lyric was "She's a muscular boy.."  which didn't sit comfortably in the 1960's !

[Chocolate Box]

7 minutes ago, Badger said:

Made me chuckle... along with the story that people though the lyric was "She's a muscular boy.."  which didn't sit comfortably in the 1960's !

We are showing our age here............

[le_tiss]

On 18/01/2021 at 11:54, Monk said:

He's on a very average weekly wage (for Champ) and higher pay as you play bonus. 

https://www.premierleague.com/players/3547/Jack-Wilshere/overview

 

Premier League Playing Career

label.tablePlayerClubHistory

Season	Club	Apps (Subs)	Goals	More
2020/2021	West Ham United	0 (0)	0
2019/2020	West Ham United	8 (6)	0
2018/2019	West Ham United	8 (4)	0
2017/2018	Arsenal	20 (8)	1
2016/2017	Arsenal	2 (2)	0
2016/2017	AFC Bournemouth (Loan)	27 (5)	0
2015/2016	Arsenal	3 (2)	0
2014/2015	Arsenal	14 (5)	2
2013/2014	Arsenal	24 (5)	3
2012/2013	Arsenal	25 (5)	0
2011/2012	Arsenal	0 (0)	0
2010/2011	Arsenal	35 (4)	1
2009/2010	Bolton Wanderers (Loan)	14 (1)	1
2009/2010	Arsenal	1 (1)	0
2008/2009	Arsenal	1 (1)	0

 

 

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/jack-wilshere/verletzungen/spieler/74223

 

INJURY HISTORY

 

Season	Injury	from	until	Days	Games missed
19/20	Groin Injury	Oct 23, 2019	May 31, 2020	221 days	22
18/19	Ankle Surgery	Dec 2, 2018	Apr 5, 2019	124 days	20
18/19	Ankle Injury	Sep 9, 2018	Nov 25, 2018	77 days	11
16/17	Hairline crack in calfbone	Apr 16, 2017	Aug 6, 2017	112 days	1
16/17	Knee Injury	Jul 31, 2016	Aug 11, 2016	11 days	-
15/16	Hairline crack in calfbone	Aug 1, 2015	Apr 4, 2016	247 days	47
14/15	Ankle Injury	Feb 23, 2015	Mar 31, 2015	36 days	7
14/15	Ankle Injury	Nov 22, 2014	Feb 20, 2015	90 days	19
13/14	Hairline crack in the foot	Mar 5, 2014	May 1, 2014	57 days	11
13/14	Sprained Ankle	Nov 2, 2013	Nov 8, 2013	6 days	2
12/13	Ankle Injury	Mar 11, 2013	Apr 10, 2013	30 days	4
11/12	Knee Surgery	May 22, 2012	Sep 24, 2012	125 days	6
11/12	Fatigue fracture	Feb 1, 2012	May 15, 2012	104 days	19
11/12	Ankle Surgery	Sep 26, 2011	Jan 31, 2012	127 days	25
11/12	Sprained Ankle	Jul 31, 2011	Sep 25, 2011	56 days	10

 

 

That would be a no then

 

 

[Jeremy Corbyn]

£2 million!  Either Bayer have a crack negotiating team, or there is something off with Gray that is keeping the price down.

[John D]

17 minutes ago, Jeremy Corbyn said:

£2 million!  Either Bayer have a crack negotiating team, or there is something off with Gray that is keeping the price down.

Probably reflects fact he is available on a free in the summer

[Jeremy Corbyn]

18 minutes ago, John D said:

Probably reflects fact he is available on a free in the summer

Indeed.  Still feels like a very cheap price though.

[wild-saint]

30 minutes ago, John D said:

Probably reflects fact he is available on a free in the summer

plus the wages they will save for a player who istn needed. its a bit like the Cedric deal with Arse. 

[Whitey Grandad]

24 minutes ago, wild-saint said:

plus the wages they will save for a player who istn needed. its a bit like the Cedric deal with Arse. 

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/jan/18/jack-wilshere-joins-bournemouth-until-end-of-the-season

[DT]

Tottenham Hotspur are lining up a move for Southampton striker Danny Ings, and are monitoring his situation ahead of a potential summer bid #saintsfc 
 

 

and there it is

[beatlesaint]

19 minutes ago, DT said:

Tottenham Hotspur are lining up a move for Southampton striker Danny Ings, and are monitoring his situation ahead of a potential summer bid #saintsfc 
 

 

and there it is

If we can have Son then fair enough 🤣

[miserableoldgit]

4 hours ago, Jeremy Corbyn said:

£2 million!  Either Bayer have a crack negotiating team, or there is something off with Gray that is keeping the price down.

Euros.....even cheaper..

[Jeremy Corbyn]

Worth a go at a cut price?

Edited 22 January, 2021 by Jeremy Corbyn

[SKD]

1 hour ago, Jeremy Corbyn said:

Worth a go at a cut price?

It won’t be cut enough to be in our price range. Although I think he’d suit us (but not at the reported £120k wage demand, he’s worth less than half that.... )
 

It’s Sad state of affairs really 

 

 

Edited 22 January, 2021 by SKD

[Ex Lion Tamer]

I haven't really watched him enough to judge, but isn't King more of an Adams-style player than an Ings?

[Useful Idiot]

King's finishing ability is not much better than Long's, he's only really had two good seasons in his career. He does look less like a pub player when he tries to control a football, though.

[skintsaint]

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/55767071

 

weird one...

[Baird of the land]

3 minutes ago, skintsaint said:

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/55767071

 

weird one...

Arsenal current no.2 has been dreadful anytime he's been called upon.

[Chez]

35 minutes ago, skintsaint said:

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/55767071

 

weird one...

wants more games, goes to club that wont give him more games.

[Chez]

3 hours ago, Jeremy Corbyn said:

Worth a go at a cut price?

I think he is a very good footballer and woud have made a good signing for us if the money had been there/right last summer. Excellent touch and ability. Not prolific, but a far far better player than Long, who is eating up wages. Not sure we can afford those (Kings) wages at the moment until we offload all our deadweight. Got to say that if Bournemouth want £18m for a player with 6 months left on his contract left, the thought of us selling Ings for £20m, or even putting a release clause in for that amount seems like madness. Whether Bompey get that money is another thing of course.

[SKD]

1 hour ago, Useful Idiot said:

King's finishing ability is not much better than Long's, he's only really had two good seasons in his career. He does look less like a pub player when he tries to control a football, though.

Fit in well with Theo, Adams and long at keeping the keepers confidence high in training then. 

[SaintLondon]

Never known a transfer window to be so quiet on here. Not even a fake rumour, I know we're skint but you'd for the inevitable Quincy Promes link somewhere... (thats an attempt at humour by the way)

Would be great if we could get a loan or two to bulk up the side a little. I feel like a great season is within our reach and a few extra bodies could be the difference. A little strength in depth never hurt anyone. I think we can see with Theo that getting a loan in that doesn't necessarily fit our model can work and be beneficial. We shall see, good luck my friends. 

[Dusic]

Seems like the injured players are starting to come back which is good.

Arguably the only area we are light is full back, so possibly this Arsenal game has come at a good time, in that Vokins and likely Valery will play and will really show how urgent the requirement is.

Also it is clear we will only bring in a loan that we feel we can buy if we want to, and that makes total sense IMO.

[S-Clarke]

13 minutes ago, SaintLondon said:

Never known a transfer window to be so quiet on here. Not even a fake rumour, I know we're skint but you'd for the inevitable Quincy Promes link somewhere... (thats an attempt at humour by the way)

Would be great if we could get a loan or two to bulk up the side a little. I feel like a great season is within our reach and a few extra bodies could be the difference. A little strength in depth never hurt anyone. I think we can see with Theo that getting a loan in that doesn't necessarily fit our model can work and be beneficial. We shall see, good luck my friends. 

I don't think we have the money for even a loan. I'm not sure many clubs do to be honest, I've forgotten it's a transfer window. 

Martin Seemens comments the other day were quite telling - we won't be buying players who are first team ready players, our now model is to find the Diallos, Salisu's etc who we have to build up to get to the level we need. Might take them a few months until they make an appearance etc.

[Cartman]

1 hour ago, SaintLondon said:

Never known a transfer window to be so quiet on here. Not even a fake rumour, I know we're skint but you'd for the inevitable Quincy Promes link somewhere... (thats an attempt at humour by the way)

Would be great if we could get a loan or two to bulk up the side a little. I feel like a great season is within our reach and a few extra bodies could be the difference. A little strength in depth never hurt anyone. I think we can see with Theo that getting a loan in that doesn't necessarily fit our model can work and be beneficial. We shall see, good luck my friends. 

It's quiet all round, everyone is skint. Only 6 transfers for more to £10m anywhere in the world, and of those 6 there is an "internal Red Bull" Salzburg to Leipzig, Diallo to Man Utd which was done in the Summer but had to wait until he turned 18, Kondogbia which was allowed outside the transfer window back in early November because Arsenal triggered Partey's release clause on deadline day and Pedro to Flamengo which is a loan being turned permanent. So basically just Haller to Ajax and Diatta to Monaco then.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/transfers/saisontransfers/statistik/top/plus/0/galerie/0?saison_id=2020&transferfenster=wintertransfers&land_id=&ausrichtung=&spielerposition_id=&altersklasse=&leihe=

[SaintLondon]

Good points well made. I just figured that some clubs might want to loan out some players to put them in the shop window - parent club could be willing to cover wages for game time so they can sell them come the summer. 

 

[davefizzy14]

http://sportwitness.co.uk/southampton-put-forward-surprise-offer-veteran-striker-cannot-satisfy-players-ambitions/

[HarvSFC]

If Barcelona, Juventus and Inter cannot afford him, then we definitely can't. Does seem like your typical West Ham signing though.

 

[skintsaint]

no chance we would sign him knowing our wages/turnover ratio. Everton & Hammers linked today unsurprisingly. 

[egg]

14 hours ago, davefizzy14 said:

http://sportwitness.co.uk/southampton-put-forward-surprise-offer-veteran-striker-cannot-satisfy-players-ambitions/

Not a chance we'll see him here. He'd be perfect replacement for Jiminez at Wolves on a short term deal but if I was a betting man, he'll end up at West Ham. 

[Saint86]

19 hours ago, Cartman said:

It's quiet all round, everyone is skint. Only 6 transfers for more to £10m anywhere in the world, and of those 6 there is an "internal Red Bull" Salzburg to Leipzig, Diallo to Man Utd which was done in the Summer but had to wait until he turned 18, Kondogbia which was allowed outside the transfer window back in early November because Arsenal triggered Partey's release clause on deadline day and Pedro to Flamengo which is a loan being turned permanent. So basically just Haller to Ajax and Diatta to Monaco then.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/transfers/saisontransfers/statistik/top/plus/0/galerie/0?saison_id=2020&transferfenster=wintertransfers&land_id=&ausrichtung=&spielerposition_id=&altersklasse=&leihe=

And people think club debts can be cleared by selling players. We're seeing the face of football for a while to come I fear - Most clubs have accrued large debts, and their main assets have become significantly less valuable since few clubs can afford to buy.

I wonder how many administrations will happen as a result of COVID, and likewise, will there be many wealthy investors queuing up to buy clubs once that happens?

Edited 26 January, 2021 by Saint86