Saint Garrett Posted 5 October, 2020 Share Posted 5 October, 2020 (edited) https://theathletic.com/news/southampton-transfer-news-theo-walcott-everton/h4LaN2tO2lPz Looks like it's happening, 50% of his wages which I am guessing would cost us ca £50-60K a week.. Think it's a good bit of business that will give us experience, squad depth and versatility in the "10" positions and a different option up front. Edited 5 October, 2020 by Saint Garrett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 5 October, 2020 Share Posted 5 October, 2020 At the risk of going all KK on you - "I'd love it if that happened, just love it." But he has to play! Whose place does hew take? Armstrong's? That's not fair. If he's only going to get the last 5 mins of games, he's not going to want to come down. But YES PLEASE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daft Kerplunk Posted 5 October, 2020 Share Posted 5 October, 2020 Oooh, just think of the academy graduate chat the marketing team can talk about with this one. So much mileage of a player ‘coming home’ even if he’s way past his best and we couldn’t afford the two (possibly three) really decent ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 5 October, 2020 Share Posted 5 October, 2020 Put me in the ‘against’ camp for this one. He did little for Everton, hence they don’t want him and I’m not sure how he fits in or what he offers. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 5 October, 2020 Share Posted 5 October, 2020 Don't mind a loan deal. Gives us alternate options on the right and upfront Would be against a permanent signing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roo1976 Posted 5 October, 2020 Share Posted 5 October, 2020 27 minutes ago, the saint in winchester said: At the risk of going all KK on you - "I'd love it if that happened, just love it." But he has to play! Whose place does hew take? Armstrong's? That's not fair. If he's only going to get the last 5 mins of games, he's not going to want to come down. But YES PLEASE! Id play him instead of Djenepo....if hes comming to play for us he will bring experience for sure, but do we really need another has been 30 yr old to add to the subs bench already? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 5 October, 2020 Share Posted 5 October, 2020 (edited) There is really nothing wrong with this deal. Whilst some people talk about us lacking experience in the squad (TRUE) .....others will say he's TOO old at 31. Aside from his Saints history ( not a issue here) his experience since leaving the club has shown that he was good enough to get 40+ England caps , and scored some good goals along the way. We are not talking about giving a 4 year contract to a 31 year old ..... (Puel should have offered that to Jose Fonte), but a 9 month loan to a player who will be out of contract next summer anyway . We are not looking to use him for 90 minute games every week, but being a good game- changer, and IF he can impress enough with goals / assists then Ralph will be able to make a judgement on that at the end of the season. Surely a win-win situation and a small help to take the pressure off Danny Ings. Edited 5 October, 2020 by david in sweden spelling 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 5 October, 2020 Author Share Posted 5 October, 2020 7 minutes ago, Roo1976 said: Id play him instead of Djenepo....if hes comming to play for us he will bring experience for sure, but do we really need another has been 30 yr old to add to the subs bench already? "Another"?? The only players we have in the squad over 30 are: McCarthy, Forster, Bertrand and Long We haven't really had any alternate options off the bench, hence why Smallbone and Tella have got minutes, despite being nowhere near good enough yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 5 October, 2020 Share Posted 5 October, 2020 I think if we'd signed Walcott when we were linked with him before (then he joined Everton) I would have been quite pleased with the signing. But after a couple of years doing very little with them, I question if this is the best player we could have brought in. If we have to sign a loan player over a permanent, I'd much rather we brought Loftus-Cheek in. Does Walcott still have the one attribute that stood out all those years ago? If it is Walcott, sure he'll get my support, but I don't believe he'll add much to us this season. Didn't he used to say he was more a striker than an AM/Winger? I wonder if this is a smokescreen for someone else? Or possibly one of a couple of signings? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 5 October, 2020 Share Posted 5 October, 2020 I would be playing him through the middle with Ings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Rooney Posted 5 October, 2020 Share Posted 5 October, 2020 Usually this place has a melt down if we are linked with a player who is old, injury prone and can’t get into his club team. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 5 October, 2020 Share Posted 5 October, 2020 a deeply depressing regressive transfer for us imo... only thing I'm amazed at is he hasn't been injured the last 3 years...but then again he has hardly played as fooking wank. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toussaint Posted 5 October, 2020 Share Posted 5 October, 2020 26 minutes ago, Ed Rooney said: Usually this place has a melt down if we are linked with a player who is old, injury prone and can’t get into his club team. see the main transfer thread, meltdowns and squabbles galore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Matty 76 Posted 5 October, 2020 Share Posted 5 October, 2020 He can cover at ST and RAM, it's a no brainer really. He's certainly fallen off a bit but as a stop-gap to next summer I'm pretty happy with it. If he's going to rejuvenate himself anywhere it's probably here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 5 October, 2020 Share Posted 5 October, 2020 Good loan. Him or Tella as cover on the right side? Not a hard choice imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy Posted 5 October, 2020 Share Posted 5 October, 2020 1 hour ago, Daft Kerplunk said: Oooh, just think of the academy graduate chat the marketing team can talk about with this one. So much mileage of a player ‘coming home’ even if he’s way past his best and we couldn’t afford the two (possibly three) really decent ones. Go on then ... I got Bale and Ox. Who is the possible third? Shaw?? After yesterday??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Lion Tamer Posted 5 October, 2020 Share Posted 5 October, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry_SFC Posted 5 October, 2020 Share Posted 5 October, 2020 I think he'll be a pretty good option off the bench, pretty low risk really. If Ralph is happy then I'm on board. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 5 October, 2020 Share Posted 5 October, 2020 59 minutes ago, david in sweden said: There is really nothing wrong with this deal. Whilst some people talk about us lacking experience in the squad (TRUE) .....others will say he's TOO old at 31. Aside from his Saints history ( not a issue here) his experience since leaving the club has shown that he was good enough to get 40+ England caps , and scored some good goals along the way. We are not talking about giving a 4 year contract to a 31 year old ..... (Puel should have offered that to Jose Fonte), but a 9 month loan to a player who will be out of contract next summer anyway . We are not looking to use him for 90 minute games every week, but being a good game- changer, and IF he can impress enough with goals / assists then Ralph will be able to make a judgement on that at the end of the season. Surely a win-win situation and a small help to take the pressure off Danny Ings. Out of curiosity, what thought process did you go through to conclude that it would be a good idea to post such a pragmatic reply on the Saintsweb forum...? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKD Posted 5 October, 2020 Share Posted 5 October, 2020 I’d have preferred lallana. A long way past his best, not what we need. Even at 50% I expect his wages will be up there as one of our highest earners. Can’t see us signing him permanently in the summer (should hope not) and wasted our domestic loan on someone who doesn’t improve our team. is he any better than Boufal? I’m not convinced he is, certainly not better than Redmond, Armstrong or dejenepo. massively underwhelmed by this. Textbook saints of a desperation deal towards the end of the window. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Curse of St Mary's Posted 5 October, 2020 Share Posted 5 October, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddeer Posted 5 October, 2020 Share Posted 5 October, 2020 Don't see Walcott as a game changer coming off the bench. He takes long enough to get into games when he plays from the start so to expect him to make a dramatic impact off the bench is clutching at very thin straws. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 5 October, 2020 Share Posted 5 October, 2020 7 minutes ago, SKD said: I’d have preferred lallana. Jack Wilshere and Danny Wellbz would be good too. Really thicken that bench up 👍 Overall tho it's a lot like when Keegan signed. Are we allowed to have stree parties or is that against Rule of Six? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WALK DMC Posted 5 October, 2020 Share Posted 5 October, 2020 7 minutes ago, SKD said: I’d have preferred lallana. A long way past his best, not what we need. Even at 50% I expect his wages will be up there as one of our highest earners. Can’t see us signing him permanently in the summer (should hope not) and wasted our domestic loan on someone who doesn’t improve our team. is he any better than Boufal? I’m not convinced he is, certainly not better than Redmond, Armstrong or dejenepo. massively underwhelmed by this. Textbook saints of a desperation deal towards the end of the window. I understand your disappointment, but it isn't a fair comparison. Lallana signed for a 3 year contract at Brighton and I suspect on more than the £50k per week that we will pay for Walcott. If Walcott doesn't work out in the next 34 games then we can buy someone else in the summer; at least we're not going to be stuck with him like we have with the other failures. It's not exciting, but it is low risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 5 October, 2020 Share Posted 5 October, 2020 3 minutes ago, Bearsy said: Jack Wilshere and Danny Wellbz would be good too. Really thicken that bench up 👍 Overall tho it's a lot like when Keegan signed. Are we allowed to have stree parties or is that against Rule of Six? Dunno ask Tammy Abraham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 5 October, 2020 Share Posted 5 October, 2020 9 minutes ago, The Curse of St Mary's said: when you say excited.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 5 October, 2020 Share Posted 5 October, 2020 Yesterday I said I'd wanted him back every year since he left except the last season or 2. Nostalgia has taken over & I'm pretty happy now. Ralph gets the final vote & if he's happy then I'm happy. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 5 October, 2020 Share Posted 5 October, 2020 Yeah dont mind, he is a proven player, just wonder if he can fit in with our system and pressure. At least he has 2 solid weeks of work ahead of him, hope he likes running Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manuel Posted 5 October, 2020 Share Posted 5 October, 2020 "And we've still got Theo on the bench..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 5 October, 2020 Share Posted 5 October, 2020 If we are going to play a high press then walcott is a luxury we don't need. He has no idea how to close down or press. He didn't bother in his last match and left his defence in the lurch. My onclusion is he likes to attack but defence is for the less talented. I won't lose any sleep if this doesn't happen much as I liked him in 2005. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellman Posted 5 October, 2020 Share Posted 5 October, 2020 Yesterday I said 'no no' to the idea of Theo returning but today I am excited by the thought--its a loan, not a long contract, Everton pay half the wage and we get the benefit. He won't be 90 mins playert and every match like JWP but he will be a valuable asset and a different style. If he comes -welcome home and prove the doubters wrong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modern matron Posted 5 October, 2020 Share Posted 5 October, 2020 So much negativity on the forum! This is a good move for. Theo has something to prove, it’s not a huge investment and he’s out of contract (I think) at the end of the season. I also have absolute faith in Ralph’s judgement so bring it on. Welcome back Theo! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 5 October, 2020 Share Posted 5 October, 2020 THEO THEO THEO THEO! Fu*king love it lad, welcome home! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted 5 October, 2020 Share Posted 5 October, 2020 On the bright side - if he works on his decision making, link up play, final ball and finishing then we have a player with real potential. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKD Posted 5 October, 2020 Share Posted 5 October, 2020 1 hour ago, WALK DMC said: I understand your disappointment, but it isn't a fair comparison. Lallana signed for a 3 year contract at Brighton and I suspect on more than the £50k per week that we will pay for Walcott. If Walcott doesn't work out in the next 34 games then we can buy someone else in the summer; at least we're not going to be stuck with him like we have with the other failures. It's not exciting, but it is low risk. I wouldn’t / don’t want either, but lallana would be far better suited to what we currently require than Walcott. RLC would have been perfect for us, for most likely a few extra million £. It’s a real shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy_D Posted 5 October, 2020 Share Posted 5 October, 2020 Obviously the last couple of seasons haven't been the best for him, but a combination of Hasenhuttl, as well as the fitness Saints tend to be able to instil in players could be exactly what he needs to get the best out of him. Relatively low risk on loan, and with a bit of luck, HCDAJFU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jawillwill Posted 5 October, 2020 Share Posted 5 October, 2020 2 hours ago, skintsaint said: a deeply depressing regressive transfer for us imo... only thing I'm amazed at is he hasn't been injured the last 3 years...but then again he has hardly played as fooking wank. Sorry to go all MLT, but: He made 29 appearances for Everton last season, and 40 appearances the season before. As a loan option, I think his experience will be a positive for the squad. Dont expect him to be a regular starter, but can certainly do a job for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 5 October, 2020 Share Posted 5 October, 2020 I just noticed when the loan ends he'll only have six months left on his Everton contract. Maybe this could lead to a permanent deal with him being available for a small fee next summer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daft Kerplunk Posted 5 October, 2020 Share Posted 5 October, 2020 1 hour ago, Chewy said: Go on then ... I got Bale and Ox. Who is the possible third? Shaw?? After yesterday??? That was indeed the possible 🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjurwi Posted 5 October, 2020 Share Posted 5 October, 2020 Walcott in. Worth a punt i suppose. As many of you say , rather him then Tella as an Redmond/Armstrong sub. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry_SFC Posted 5 October, 2020 Share Posted 5 October, 2020 8 minutes ago, Turkish said: I just noticed when the loan ends he'll only have six months left on his Everton contract. Maybe this could lead to a permanent deal with him being available for a small fee next summer? I think he's out of contract next Summer? Would be available for free in July. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 5 October, 2020 Share Posted 5 October, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said: I think he's out of contract next Summer? Would be available for free in July. 3 1/2 year deal signed in January 2018. Yes you are correct sir., i thought it was 4. Maybe get him on a free next year then? Edited 5 October, 2020 by Turkish 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Armstrong Posted 5 October, 2020 Share Posted 5 October, 2020 (edited) Edited 5 October, 2020 by Saint-Armstrong 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich102 Posted 5 October, 2020 Share Posted 5 October, 2020 Trying to estimate the chance conversion rate of a Walcott, Adams, Long front three. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy Posted 5 October, 2020 Share Posted 5 October, 2020 27 minutes ago, Daft Kerplunk said: That was indeed the possible 🤣 Fair enough. I’d have probably agreed up to 24 hours ago 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Timmier Posted 5 October, 2020 Share Posted 5 October, 2020 1 hour ago, SKD said: I’d have preferred lallana. A long way past his best, not what we need. Even at 50% I expect his wages will be up there as one of our highest earners. Can’t see us signing him permanently in the summer (should hope not) and wasted our domestic loan on someone who doesn’t improve our team. is he any better than Boufal? I’m not convinced he is, certainly not better than Redmond, Armstrong or dejenepo. massively underwhelmed by this. Textbook saints of a desperation deal towards the end of the window. Before he's even kicked a ball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 5 October, 2020 Share Posted 5 October, 2020 Good guy to have around the club, and certainly not too old for a season-long loan. I'd feel differently if it were permanent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 5 October, 2020 Share Posted 5 October, 2020 This thread reminds me of the negativity when Ings signed. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 5 October, 2020 Share Posted 5 October, 2020 Maybe Ralph wants him as an alternative to Long for the latter minutes of games - wise old head instead of a naive nipper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 5 October, 2020 Share Posted 5 October, 2020 35 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said: I think he's out of contract next Summer? Would be available for free in July. Yep, it's basically a loan with a free transfer at the end if if works out. In the meantime, we only pay half his wages. Good business. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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