New VAR rules

[East Kent Saint]

Far from making VAR better we now have ridiculous handball decisions, totally inconsistent between matches . 

[davefizzy14]

Total farce so far really. Handball is hand to ball not vice versa- well obviously not intentionally. 

[skintsaint]

Just look at the Utd v Palace one...not one player appealed for handball ......yet was given - players know handball when its obvious and appeal like mad. Stupid.

[Lord Duckhunter]

The chase for the perfect decision, VAR  and complete consistency was obviously going to lead to this. Instead of the referee deciding if “In his opinion” a player deliberately handled the ball, we now have basic facts driving the decision. Did it hit his hand, and was his hand in an unnatural position. Whether it was deliberate or not doesn’t matter anymore. 

[John D]

It is not the VAR rules that are the problem.  More that there is again a change in how to assess what a handball is.  VAR enables greater scrutiny but it seem like the rule setting bodies are using it to come up with ridiculous ways of determining if it is handball or not rather than sticking to a common sense approach which VAR could facilitate.

[East Kent Saint]

I think if the ball hits the short shirt sleeve it is not a handball now !

[skintsaint]

50 penalties this season after 11 rounds of games.

There were 92 in total last season and on average over the last 10 season 92.5 per season.

Could potential hit over 150 if this keeps on.

 

[Whitey Grandad]

26 minutes ago, skintsaint said:

50 penalties this season after 11 rounds of games.

There were 92 in total last season and on average over the last 10 season 92.5 per season.

Could potential hit over 150 if this keeps on.

 

Yes, it’s nonsense. Scoring a goal should be difficult. Either a thing of beauty, or a fluke, or a mistake, it should be something special. Just trying to kick the ball against someone’s arm or hanging a led out where it might get touched don’t have the same magic for me.

[revolution saint]

The whole VAR debate is misleading.  VAR is just another way of applying the rules of the game.  When it was entirely down to referees and linesmen people moaned about bad decisions and now that VAR is there to help out, people moan about bad decisions.  Ultimately the application and interpretation is still down to opinion (in the case of VAR somebody with access to replays and multiple camera angles) - doesn't mean everyone will agree with the decision though.  I'd hazard that we've had fewer bad decisions since VAR than we used to have.

Gets my goat when people moan about VAR as if rules have been invented entirely around VAR when they haven't.  So this means when you disagree then it's either because the rule probably needs changing, or you just disagree with the opinion of the person applying the rule - it's not VAR at fault though.  Muppets like Carragher and Kamara don't help the debate.  I've heard them asking for consistency and common sense in the same sentence - when you're that dumb you're never going to make a coherent argument.

[Whitey Grandad]

38 minutes ago, revolution saint said:

The whole VAR debate is misleading.  VAR is just another way of applying the rules of the game.  When it was entirely down to referees and linesmen people moaned about bad decisions and now that VAR is there to help out, people moan about bad decisions.  Ultimately the application and interpretation is still down to opinion (in the case of VAR somebody with access to replays and multiple camera angles) - doesn't mean everyone will agree with the decision though.  I'd hazard that we've had fewer bad decisions since VAR than we used to have.

Gets my goat when people moan about VAR as if rules have been invented entirely around VAR when they haven't.  So this means when you disagree then it's either because the rule probably needs changing, or you just disagree with the opinion of the person applying the rule - it's not VAR at fault though.  Muppets like Carragher and Kamara don't help the debate.  I've heard them asking for consistency and common sense in the same sentence - when you're that dumb you're never going to make a coherent argument.

Some decisions are subjective and ‘in the opinion of the referee’. Others are factual such as ball in or out of play and even offside, to some extent.

I have always been opposed to VAR and don’t think it improves the game.

[revolution saint]

Just now, Whitey Grandad said:

Some decisions are subjective and ‘in the opinion of the referee’. Others are factual such as ball in or out of play and even offside, to some extent.

I have always been opposed to VAR and don’t think it improves the game.

And VAR is still subjective - that's the point.  VAR doesn't come up with a decision itself but allows someone to make a more informed decision based on multiple camera angles and a bit more time compared to a ref making it in real time on the pitch.  VAR doesn't eliminate bad decisions or subjectivity but overall should contribute to less mistakes being made.  When a bad decision is made then the problem is either with the person making it or the rule itself (exactly the same as when a ref makes a decision). 

Personally I think VAR has probably highlighted a lot of instances where it's difficult to apply a level of consistency when it's borderline or still fairly subjective.  We should probably move away from demanding consistency and instead work with broadly agreed rules that are subject to personal interpretation.  VAR would have no bearing on this and if we allowed the referee/VAR bod to justify why they made the decision then I don't think many people would be complaining.  Blaming the system isn't the answer though. 

[saintquin]

I've never been a fan of VAR. Football is a sport made of human skill and human error. I would guess the officials make fewer errors per match than most players!

Goal line tech works (if they remember to turn it on).