SuperSAINT Posted 21 September, 2020 Share Posted 21 September, 2020 Onwards we go. There’s a a high-line / Vestergaard conversation to be had with this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 21 September, 2020 Share Posted 21 September, 2020 (edited) Am going to be crazy Same team except for McCarthy - would replace him with Gunn if we need a sweeper keeper or if I am greedy I'd give salisu some time. Edited 21 September, 2020 by Convict Colony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry_SFC Posted 21 September, 2020 Share Posted 21 September, 2020 (edited) Can't believe I'm saying this but I'd like to see Vestergaard come in for this one. Even though he's slow, he generally reads the game a lot better than Stephens and is actually better at passing as well. There's an argument to be had surrounding the keeper but I think McCarthy is just about the least shit out of the 3. You'd argue that this is the right game to play a higher line, as opposed to against Spurs. McCarthy, KWP, Vestergaard, Bednarek, Bertrand, Romeu, JWP, Armstrong, Djenepo, Adams, Ings. Subs: Forster, Stephens, Vokins, Jankewitz, Tella, Long, Obafemi. Edit - Just realised how inexperienced/poor that bench looks 😬 Edited 21 September, 2020 by Harry_SFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 21 September, 2020 Share Posted 21 September, 2020 McCarthy, KWP, Vestergaard, Bednarek, Bertrand, Romeu, JWP, Armstrong, Djenepo, Adams, Ings. This team for me, Stephens was appalling yesterday, and we're lucky we have a bit of depth in that position where we can change it. The rest of the team picks itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddeer Posted 21 September, 2020 Share Posted 21 September, 2020 I suspect Vestergaard would be a disaster in a side playing such a high line. Although Burnley lost to a very good Leicester side yesterday they showed more than enough to suggest this is going to be another tough game for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpsaint Posted 21 September, 2020 Share Posted 21 September, 2020 Home banker - comfortable 2-0. Our back 4 won’t have the fight needed against a dogged Burnley side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhite82 Posted 21 September, 2020 Share Posted 21 September, 2020 14 hours ago, Teddeer said: I suspect Vestergaard would be a disaster in a side playing such a high line. Although Burnley lost to a very good Leicester side yesterday they showed more than enough to suggest this is going to be another tough game for us. there are no easy games in the premiership - especially when you're shite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevy777_x Posted 21 September, 2020 Share Posted 21 September, 2020 Vestergaard is not suited to a high line at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 21 September, 2020 Share Posted 21 September, 2020 Basically it doesn’t matter what keeper or back four Ralph plays - if he continues to insist on the kamikaze king tactics of the last three games we will lose. Again. I don’t think he’ll change because he probably believes it will come good eventually. 2-0 loss then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevy777_x Posted 21 September, 2020 Share Posted 21 September, 2020 6 minutes ago, Saint Fan CaM said: Basically it doesn’t matter what keeper or back four Ralph plays - if he continues to insist on the kamikaze king tactics of the last three games we will lose. Again. I don’t think he’ll change because he probably believes it will come good eventually. 2-0 loss then. Its not about a kamikaze tactic, playing a high line is perfectly fine. You just to find the right balance between when to do and when not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wild-saint Posted 21 September, 2020 Share Posted 21 September, 2020 10 minutes ago, stevy777_x said: Its not about a kamikaze tactic, playing a high line is perfectly fine. You just to find the right balance between when to do and when not. Burnley’s front 2 pairing isn’t the quickest and will be less likely to exploit a high line as Son did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 22 September, 2020 Share Posted 22 September, 2020 We normally struggle against Burnley but I have a weird feeling we will get a point or points against them this time. We need to, the sooner we get something on the board the better, or confidence will be knocked and, while the board kept faith in Ralph last season after the result that shall not be mentioned, they may get itchy trigger fingers before long. I hope not as I still think Ralph is the best manager we could hope for - he just needs a bit more backing in the transfer market. A CM and another AM would be great, add another CB to that and it would be perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc4prem Posted 22 September, 2020 Share Posted 22 September, 2020 6 hours ago, wild-saint said: Burnley’s front 2 pairing isn’t the quickest and will be less likely to exploit a high line as Son did. Perhaps they'll play Vydra and Rodriguez, both easily outpacing our defenders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatboy40 Posted 22 September, 2020 Share Posted 22 September, 2020 All down to RH this one isn't it. 3 games, against different teams and styles of play so he's seen what he has to play with, and a week to recover / train / consider tactics. I want a win, I'm not expecting a win, but I'm expecting RH to show he can change things when he needs to and not vainly stick to a playing style that's not working. We'll see won't we... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWar Posted 22 September, 2020 Share Posted 22 September, 2020 Mixed feelings on the tactics for this one. The high line wasn't necessarily bad against Palace, if we had our shooting boots on and Romeu could reliably make 10 yard passes we probably would have won that one. Against spurs the high line was suicide as they had one of the best passers in the league (kane) and one of the best and fastest forwards in the league (son) and between them they tore us apart. Burnley don't have that sort of firepower and prefer to sit deep and defend deep. Really this is the sort of game the high line would flourish at. I wouldn't blame Ralph for giving it another go but am aware if we lose again with the high line people will be fuming at him, even if it is more due to player underperformance like at Palace rather than tactics like at spurs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 22 September, 2020 Share Posted 22 September, 2020 Bring in vestergaard, move Stephens to the bench. We know it’s going to be cross city. long for Adams please, if Adams isn’t scoring have a player in who does far more for the team. i’d like To see Sims on the bench. Won’t happen though. Can’t say i’m Opt8mistic. We’ve a terrible record and have displayed an inability to be tight defensively which would be needed to take anything from turf moor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwertyell Posted 22 September, 2020 Share Posted 22 September, 2020 37 minutes ago, Baird of the land said: long for Adams please, if Adams isn’t scoring have a player in who does far more for the team. Don't think much of Adams' quality, but he does a half decent job for the team in build up and workrate. Has no-one noticed Long's legs are going? Doesn't have the same pace of old and can't sustain haring around the pitch for even an hour anymore. It was a mistake to extend his contract - it'll be declining returns from here on in. And that's from a guy who's previous returns were about four goals a year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 22 September, 2020 Share Posted 22 September, 2020 7 hours ago, sfc4prem said: Perhaps they'll play Vydra and Rodriguez, both easily outpacing our defenders. Neither of them are particularly quick. Even though I think both of Burnley's main centre-backs are injured, we never do well against them and I full expect it to continue, reckon it'll be similar to the Palace game, they will sit in and be deep, we'll have lots of possession, not take our chances and they will probably nick one. More likely from a set piece than a fast break in behind though I reckon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toussaint Posted 22 September, 2020 Share Posted 22 September, 2020 (edited) 14 hours ago, SNSUN said: We normally struggle against Burnley but I have a weird feeling we will get a point or points against them this time. We need to, the sooner we get something on the board the better, or confidence will be knocked and, while the board kept faith in Ralph last season after the result that shall not be mentioned, they may get itchy trigger fingers before long. I hope not as I still think Ralph is the best manager we could hope for - he just needs a bit more backing in the transfer market. A CM and another AM would be great, add another CB to that and it would be perfect. You are not joking, that is weird! Edited 22 September, 2020 by Toussaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toussaint Posted 22 September, 2020 Share Posted 22 September, 2020 4 hours ago, qwertyell said: Don't think much of Adams' quality, but he does a half decent job for the team in build up and workrate. Has no-one noticed Long's legs are going? Doesn't have the same pace of old and can't sustain haring around the pitch for even an hour anymore. It was a mistake to extend his contract - it'll be declining returns from here on in. And that's from a guy who's previous returns were about four goals a year. I noticed that a couple of seasons ago. I'm a big admirer of him but we shouldn't be sentimental over players in our position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 22 September, 2020 Share Posted 22 September, 2020 Forget the high line but press them all over the park. Not rocket science, is it? I'd play Long for his energy and drop Adams to the bench, or at least bring Long on to knacker them out. My worry is centre midfield, where we have absolutely nothing. Oh, and the keeper, who is gash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 22 September, 2020 Share Posted 22 September, 2020 17 minutes ago, adriansfc said: Forster in. Blame high lines all you want, least Forster fills the goal more than McCarthy and more is liable to hit him than go through him. He was in good form with Celtic and will be relishing the chance. McCarthy is useless on the ball anyway so what's the difference there. Vestergaard in for Bednarek who doesn't seem with it this season (not that Stephens is, but he's more committed). And please stop messing around pretending Smallbone is vaguely ready to start games just to big up the academy. Forster; Bertrand/Vestergaard/Stephens/KWP; JWP/Romeu; Djenepo/Armstrong; Ings/Adams Still a team that can go and win if we focus more but would definitely take a point just to get the season going. It's such a short off season, packed schedule and there'll inevitably be cancellations and lockdowns thoughout. I think we just have to accept the key is survival at the moment until football gets back to something like normal. If Forster is anywhere near back to his best he is by far our best keeper. McCarthy is in for shot stopping as his distribution is poor, if he's not saving above regulation saves (which he is not) then he's not very useful. Might as well have one of the other two as their distribution is better, plus I think Forster when confident is the better organiser/leader as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 22 September, 2020 Share Posted 22 September, 2020 Another heavy depressing defeat coming up against a team we always struggle against. Davies inbound from Everton. Great days! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igsey Posted 22 September, 2020 Share Posted 22 September, 2020 Will be watching this one between my fingers I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 22 September, 2020 Share Posted 22 September, 2020 Never won there have we? Could be a long evening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted 22 September, 2020 Share Posted 22 September, 2020 Burnley 0-2 Saints, Ings & Adams. 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWD Posted 22 September, 2020 Share Posted 22 September, 2020 No Sims in the B team game tonight so possibly in the squad for Saturday? I think we all know he's not the long term answer but he does have the ability make an impact off the bench - something our current back up options seriously lack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 22 September, 2020 Share Posted 22 September, 2020 9 minutes ago, LGTL said: Never won there have we? Could be a long evening. Saints won away vs Burnley in... 1908 1932 1937 1971 2006 2007 😉👼 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgey Posted 22 September, 2020 Share Posted 22 September, 2020 Just reading this chain is depressing but classic saints. Long cannot be the answer, the only thing he had was pace and that’s gone. depressing though it is Vestigaard is probably an upgrade on Bednerak at the moment, both painfully slow but at least Vest looks to get the ball forwards and gives more of a shit. have a horrible vision of a team with Forster, Vestigaard, Davies and Long as starters - heaven help us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 22 September, 2020 Share Posted 22 September, 2020 26 minutes ago, CWD said: No Sims in the B team game tonight so possibly in the squad for Saturday? I think we all know he's not the long term answer but he does have the ability make an impact off the bench - something our current back up options seriously lack. Be happy to see that! Rewarding a player, who currently is showing form in the B team as the off the bench option for Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamplemousse Posted 22 September, 2020 Share Posted 22 September, 2020 We're not going to win, our defence will be utter toast against them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackedoff Posted 22 September, 2020 Share Posted 22 September, 2020 Burnley and Saints both know pretty much what they will be up against,but I expect Burnley will be the team which will use the knowledge better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WALK DMC Posted 22 September, 2020 Share Posted 22 September, 2020 Saints are a good team away from home and that if our high line isn't quite as ambitious as Sunday we can beat an injury hit Burnley team. We were ok against a Palace team who are good on the counter (and who also played like an away team once they went a goal up). It was humiliating on Sunday but football can turn around quickly and we're not as bad as the score-line suggested. Personally I think that it is the type of game made for Vestergaard (and not playing a very high line ....). A good result can change our season quickly (although I'd be much more confident if we got a top quality defensive midfielder in). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 22 September, 2020 Share Posted 22 September, 2020 21 hours ago, stevy777_x said: Its not about a kamikaze tactic, playing a high line is perfectly fine. You just to find the right balance between when to do and when not. As in, don’t ever play it using substandard players against some of the fastest strikers in the World? A stupid tactic to use if you go 1-0 up against a top team and think that will work for the remainder of the game - this team (bar Ings) is just not good enough to operate at that level. But that’s just my opinion...let’s see what the score is at 10pm Saturday - I may be wrong or Ralph may change things. I’m sticking with a 2-0 loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Posted 22 September, 2020 Share Posted 22 September, 2020 This is a sad thread for this early in the season. The team was doing the business a few months' ago so I'm not ready to lose faith in them. But, so much for my bet of $10 on a top six finish. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austsaint Posted 22 September, 2020 Share Posted 22 September, 2020 4 hours ago, CWD said: No Sims in the B team game tonight so possibly in the squad for Saturday? I think we all know he's not the long term answer but he does have the ability make an impact off the bench - something our current back up options seriously lack. Has to be a better option than either Smallbone or Tella, neither of whom look like short term or long term answers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 23 September, 2020 Share Posted 23 September, 2020 I really really really hope we just go back to what was working well at the end of last season. Absolutely no need to change things at all until we have players capable of playing that way. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted 23 September, 2020 Share Posted 23 September, 2020 Knowing Saints, we’ll lose this one and the WBA one and then beat Chelsea... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
way down south Posted 23 September, 2020 Share Posted 23 September, 2020 Have a feeling we'll make Burnley look like a top 6 team while allowing them to tear us apart with their relegation contender attack. Unless of course ralph decides salisu was the answer after all and starts him. I wager an unfit salisu would offer more than our current lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 23 September, 2020 Share Posted 23 September, 2020 Forster; Bertrand/Vestergaard/Stephens/KWP; JWP/Romeu; Djenepo/Armstrong; Ings/Adams Subs to be used before 80th minute : Salisu, Sims, Long Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hasper57saint Posted 23 September, 2020 Share Posted 23 September, 2020 We have been totally overwhelmed by Burnley for the past three seasons. Struggling to make an impression. Last Season they took six undeserved points from us because we were absolute pants. Now is the time for revenge. Shaun Dyche will try to play hoofball and this time we must not fall for it. We ain't too bad when we play the ball on the deck so this has to be the way that we can not only avenge last seasons abysmal failures, but also to give them the hiding they deserve. I always want Saints to win and I am pretty sure that Ralph has seen the errors of his ways after Sundays total submission to a not very good Spurs side. Son was the danger from the outset. We know that Burnley have no speed merchants; so take the game to them and for a change,give them a pasting. Saints to win.COYS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vin Posted 23 September, 2020 Share Posted 23 September, 2020 There’s been a lot of talk about the high line against Spurs but as Carragher pointed out on MNF the goals we conceded were more down to the positioning of our defenders than a high line. He highlighted the gap between our centrebacks, them not being tight enough to the forwards and allowing them to turn and KWP being on the wrong side of Son. Our line wasn’t particularly high on the second and third goals - we just weren’t aggressive enough when the ball was played in to the forwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 23 September, 2020 Share Posted 23 September, 2020 35 minutes ago, vin said: There’s been a lot of talk about the high line against Spurs but as Carragher pointed out on MNF the goals we conceded were more down to the positioning of our defenders than a high line. He highlighted the gap between our centrebacks, them not being tight enough to the forwards and allowing them to turn and KWP being on the wrong side of Son. Our line wasn’t particularly high on the second and third goals - we just weren’t aggressive enough when the ball was played in to the forwards. Something has very clearly changed from the end of last season and the beginning of this one and the likelihood is it's something they wanted to implement for the start of this season. What we did after lockdown was working why would we change? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 23 September, 2020 Share Posted 23 September, 2020 Jay Rodriguez has gone off injured for Burnley at Millwall tonight. One less danger man, Vydra will probably score a screamer again or Wood will bully our defence in the air. Last year we lost twice to Burnley in games that coincided with gale force winds , weather warnings for rain, what's the forecast for Turf Moor 8pm on Saturday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 23 September, 2020 Share Posted 23 September, 2020 30 minutes ago, JRM said: what's the forecast for Turf Moor 8pm on Saturday? Clear, dry, light winds, temperature dropping to around the freezing mark overnight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 24 September, 2020 Share Posted 24 September, 2020 All optimism has gone which is strange given so good last season with no crowds and were much better than Spurs first half and even in Palace game could easily have won. Armstong back is key and Djenpo in form is capable of terrorising them. Mental strength of our players is always questionable and Stephens declined so much and needs to be dropped as a wake up call.where the fuck is Salisu- did he have Covid? Need to have Boufal as impact sub option. So depressing looking at the bench and seeding Tella and Smallbone as options. Burnley are capable of being shite though so still think we might nick it and we may just click. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Mockles Posted 24 September, 2020 Share Posted 24 September, 2020 Not confident we’ve resolved all of our problems yet. Surely Ralph has learned about the defensive high line but he’s a stubborn so-and-so and I’m not confident as we wouldn’t have conceded so many goals from Son if he had adapted quicker. I would like to see Forster start rather than McCarthy who should’ve come off his line quicker for the first goal that Son scored which I felt he could have won had he been fast & decisive coming off his line. Mc Carthy is mediocre at best. Gunn should go out on loan. Lineup should remain the same, mainly because we have no depth or back up. I thought Che had a decent game last match but needs to be much more clinical when given chances. He was strong and held up the ball well. I can see a 1-1 draw. Forster KWP Stephens Bednarek Bertrand Romeu Armstrong JWP Redmond Djenepo Adams Ings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsland Codger Posted 24 September, 2020 Share Posted 24 September, 2020 3 minutes ago, Gordon Mockles said: Not confident we’ve resolved all of our problems yet. Surely Ralph has learned about the defensive high line but he’s a stubborn so-and-so and I’m not confident as we wouldn’t have conceded so many goals from Son if he had adapted quicker. I would like to see Forster start rather than McCarthy who should’ve come off his line quicker for the first goal that Son scored which I felt he could have won had he been fast & decisive coming off his line. Mc Carthy is mediocre at best. Gunn should go out on loan. Lineup should remain the same, mainly because we have no depth or back up. I thought Che had a decent game last match but needs to be much more clinical when given chances. He was strong and held up the ball well. I can see a 1-1 draw. Forster KWP Stephens Bednarek Bertrand Romeu Armstrong JWP Redmond Djenepo Adams Ings A team with 12 players might just be what we need. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fookwit Posted 24 September, 2020 Share Posted 24 September, 2020 1 hour ago, Kingsland Codger said: A team with 12 players might just be what we need. With our friend Mike Dean on VAR i'm not sure we'd get away with that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 24 September, 2020 Share Posted 24 September, 2020 Where do we find the Press Conference? Can`t find any mention of it on Saints website, Youtube Channel or FB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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