East Kent Saint Posted 15 May, 2021 Share Posted 15 May, 2021 2 hours ago, Turkish said: Anyone else buzzing for the woman’s champions league final tomorrow? Chelsea v Barcelona. Could be a great few weeks for Chelsea dominating two of the sixty three genders in Europe Trying to whip up enthusiasm for FA Cup final , good to remember Rodrigues got a winners medal with Saints , Ha Ha Lineker ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 15 May, 2021 Share Posted 15 May, 2021 I know the final is a sore subject for us right now...but I still got pretty emotional at Abide with Me and God save the Queen being sung by actual fans in the stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 15 May, 2021 Share Posted 15 May, 2021 Jesus christ, I actually forgot that the FA Cup final was being played today....! A sign of the times, or the onset of senility for me...? 😲 😧 😲 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapel End Posted 15 May, 2021 Share Posted 15 May, 2021 2 hours ago, CB Fry said: Is Sean Dyche still a contender for Premier League manager of the year? Yep and we should have loads of their players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 15 May, 2021 Share Posted 15 May, 2021 3 minutes ago, Chapel End said: Yep and we should have loads of their players Some of their players are better than ours but we're above them in the table which must mean Hasenhuttl is a better manager than Dyche. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 15 May, 2021 Share Posted 15 May, 2021 Good to see some tackles flying in, and sensible refereeing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapel End Posted 15 May, 2021 Share Posted 15 May, 2021 This cup final is a bit shit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Pete Posted 15 May, 2021 Share Posted 15 May, 2021 Cracking goal from Tielemans. If they go on and win, that would be a worthy winner in any final. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodsaint1 Posted 15 May, 2021 Share Posted 15 May, 2021 Just think if we had have had a go in the semi final this could have been us leading in the cup final. Chelsea have been very average 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 15 May, 2021 Share Posted 15 May, 2021 Nice to hear players getting booed again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedantic Pete Posted 15 May, 2021 Share Posted 15 May, 2021 I take it all back..I love VAR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 15 May, 2021 Share Posted 15 May, 2021 Don’t care who it is but that shows why VAR is killing football 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 15 May, 2021 Share Posted 15 May, 2021 4 minutes ago, whelk said: Don’t care who it is but that shows why VAR is killing football One of the least controversial decisions it's made. Stopped Leicester being potentially robbed of a trophy in favour of a big club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWar Posted 15 May, 2021 Share Posted 15 May, 2021 4 minutes ago, whelk said: Don’t care who it is but that shows why VAR is killing football It was the right decision and stopped a worthy winner having a first FA cup stolen from them by an incorrect decision. Don't see the issue personally. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 15 May, 2021 Share Posted 15 May, 2021 Good to see an offside goal chalked off in a final. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunglasses Ron Posted 15 May, 2021 Share Posted 15 May, 2021 I f’ing hate VAR even though it was right by an inch. Leicester fans are lucky buggers, they’ve seen their boys win all the majors trophies in England now. Makes me proper envious, yet also gives me hope at the same time that we’ll win something one day. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 15 May, 2021 Share Posted 15 May, 2021 Just now, TWar said: It was the right decision and stopped a worthy winner having a first FA cup stolen from them by an incorrect decision. Don't see the issue personally. Apart from the massive handball before their goal which for some reason the referees in our country have decided to interpret as not handball. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 15 May, 2021 Share Posted 15 May, 2021 What about those 2 saves. His old man would have been proud of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 15 May, 2021 Share Posted 15 May, 2021 I miss the days when the dins on this forum all said they'd never want Brendan Rodgers to be our manager because of that quote he done about us. Great job he's done there. Superb. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 15 May, 2021 Share Posted 15 May, 2021 1 minute ago, CB Fry said: I miss the days when the dins on this forum all said they'd never want Brendan Rodgers to be our manager because of that quote he done about us. Great job he's done there. Superb. So true. Arrogant wasn’t he. 😂😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenilworthy Posted 15 May, 2021 Share Posted 15 May, 2021 It shows that had we bothered to turn up for the semi final losing the final was not inevitable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWar Posted 15 May, 2021 Share Posted 15 May, 2021 1 minute ago, benjii said: Apart from the massive handball before their goal which for some reason the referees in our country have decided to interpret as not handball. That's not VAR, thats the ref. VAR can't overturn handball decisions which are more than one pass before the goal, used to be able to but people cried about it and it got rid of. That mistake is on the anti-VAR lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodsaint1 Posted 15 May, 2021 Share Posted 15 May, 2021 2 minutes ago, CB Fry said: I miss the days when the dins on this forum all said they'd never want Brendan Rodgers to be our manager because of that quote he done about us. Great job he's done there. Superb. Great job when hes been given about 200 million to build his team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 15 May, 2021 Share Posted 15 May, 2021 We should be proud of Leicester and remember as they celebrate their cup win and we celebrate staying up, they copied us. it wouldn’t have happened without Les Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 15 May, 2021 Share Posted 15 May, 2021 2 minutes ago, woodsaint1 said: Great job when hes been given about 200 million to build his team Aren't they above Liverpool, Spurs, Arsenal and Chelsea in the league? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWar Posted 15 May, 2021 Share Posted 15 May, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, woodsaint1 said: Great job when hes been given about 200 million to build his team Yeah this was my thoughts. Rodgers is definitely doing well but Leicester winning the league was amazing given the squad they had and money at their disposal, this Leicester team winning the cup isn't that crazy considering the money they have invested. Definitely not favourites by any means but the 8th most expensive team in the country beating the third most expensive team in the country isn't that big an upset. Leicester's 25 man squad cost almost double the money to assemble as ours. Edited 15 May, 2021 by TWar 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 15 May, 2021 Share Posted 15 May, 2021 8 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said: What about those 2 saves. His old man would have been proud of them Has he died? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 15 May, 2021 Share Posted 15 May, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, woodsaint1 said: Great job when hes been given about 200 million to build his team 10th in the net spend table last 5 years. Just above Palace and below Wolves and West Ham. Average of £22m a year positive spend. Hardly bought it have they. Edited 15 May, 2021 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 15 May, 2021 Share Posted 15 May, 2021 Leicester are going to get relegated now, right? I believe that's how it works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 15 May, 2021 Share Posted 15 May, 2021 Great goal. But fucking hell the defending was atrocious. Why put your arms behind your back when outside the box? And he swerved out the way. Awful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapel End Posted 15 May, 2021 Share Posted 15 May, 2021 15 minutes ago, TWar said: Yeah this was my thoughts. Rodgers is definitely doing well but Leicester winning the league was amazing given the squad they had and money at their disposal, this Leicester team winning the cup isn't that crazy considering the money they have invested. Definitely not favourites by any means but the 8th most expensive team in the country beating the third most expensive team in the country isn't that big an upset. Leicester's 25 man squad cost almost double the money to assemble as ours. Rodgers didn't win the league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedantic Pete Posted 15 May, 2021 Share Posted 15 May, 2021 18 minutes ago, TWar said: Yeah this was my thoughts. Rodgers is definitely doing well but Leicester winning the league was amazing given the squad they had and money at their disposal, this Leicester team winning the cup isn't that crazy considering the money they have invested. Definitely not favourites by any means but the 8th most expensive team in the country beating the third most expensive team in the country isn't that big an upset. Leicester's 25 man squad cost almost double the money to assemble as ours. Its only the third time in something like 25 years that one of the big six haven't won the FA cup, I think, so no matter how much they have spent, it's quite an achievement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 15 May, 2021 Share Posted 15 May, 2021 Incredibly jealous of Leicester because they’re the one team where you think - ‘that could be us. Fuck sake, one day. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWar Posted 15 May, 2021 Share Posted 15 May, 2021 4 minutes ago, Chapel End said: Rodgers didn't win the league Yeah I know, I was saying that winning the league was a phenomenal achievement and people still think of Leicester as the relegation threatened side who beat the odds and won the league, but now they are a top 8 side in squad and funding around the level of Spurs and Everton and winning the cup is still an achievement but it doesn't prove that Rodgers is that great a manager, at their size they should be looking to win things. Was pretty poorly worded I admit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 15 May, 2021 Share Posted 15 May, 2021 3 minutes ago, LGTL said: Incredibly jealous of Leicester because they’re the one team where you think - ‘that could be us. Fuck sake, one day. Surprised to find myself not jealous at all. Today was emotional for a lot of reasons, fans back in the ground, the traditional Abide with Me after the year the world's had, and one of the small 14 getting one over a member of the franchise league wankers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWar Posted 15 May, 2021 Share Posted 15 May, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Pedantic Pete said: Its only the third time in something like 25 years that one of the big six haven't won the FA cup, I think, so no matter how much they have spent, it's quite an achievement. I think nowadays teams like Everton and Leicester are on a very similar level in both size and spending power to Spurs and Arsenal. The north london clubs are certainly a lot closer to them than they are to City, United and Chelsea. So I think the big 6 as a concept is falling a bit. The big three will be United Chelsea and City based on spending power and then Liverpool, Everton, Leicester, Spurs and Arsenal will all be pretty close money-wise with Liverpool and Arsenal trending higher and Spurs and Leicester trending lower. Edited 15 May, 2021 by TWar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 15 May, 2021 Share Posted 15 May, 2021 10 minutes ago, LGTL said: Incredibly jealous of Leicester because they’re the one team where you think - ‘that could be us. Fuck sake, one day. agreed. Pleased it wasn't Chelsea, again, and gives teams like us hope that if they get it right they can challenge for honours, but at the same time it doesn't half show up how shit we've operated in recent years. Like you say, one day... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 15 May, 2021 Share Posted 15 May, 2021 6 minutes ago, TWar said: I think nowadays teams like Everton and Leicester are on a very similar level in both size and spending power to Spurs and Arsenal. The north london clubs are certainly a lot closer to them than they are to City, United and Chelsea. So I think the big 6 as a concept is falling a bit. The big three will be United Chelsea and City based on spending power and then Liverpool, Everton, Leicester, Spurs and Arsenal will all be pretty close money-wise. Isn't Liverpool's spending power still massive? The CL money, assuming you have a decent run, really lifts you. Arsenal without will need to spend that cash they had in the bank... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWar Posted 15 May, 2021 Share Posted 15 May, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Chez said: Isn't Liverpool's spending power still massive? The CL money, assuming you have a decent run, really lifts you. Arsenal without will need to spend that cash they had in the bank... Liverpools net-spend is famously tiny because they make mad deals on outgoings. Infact as of last summer over the last 5 years they are 14th for net spend behind brighton, watford and bournemouth. It's not a great measure tbh, net spend, when you are selling well over the odds. Their squad value is 5th in the league (Arsenal are 4th, but by less than £1m), £70m off Everton in 6th but £120m off Chelsea in 3rd, and a full £356m off City. So they certainly haven't spent that big on their squad. Edited 15 May, 2021 by TWar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedantic Pete Posted 15 May, 2021 Share Posted 15 May, 2021 7 minutes ago, TWar said: I think nowadays teams like Everton and Leicester are on a very similar level in both size and spending power to Spurs and Arsenal. The north london clubs are certainly a lot closer to them than they are to City, United and Chelsea. So I think the big 6 as a concept is falling a bit. The big three will be United Chelsea and City based on spending power and then Liverpool, Everton, Leicester, Spurs and Arsenal will all be pretty close money-wise with Liverpool and Arsenal trending higher and Spurs and Leicester trending lower. You do realise Arsenal have one of the biggest wage bills in the league? They spend something like £80m more a year than a team like Leicester? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 15 May, 2021 Share Posted 15 May, 2021 Chelsea fans distinguishing themselves on 606 and really showing their lack of class. There was the one who claimed that Tuchel was not the man for Chelsea. Well I suppose that they did lose a match so of course he should be sacked. There was the one who claimed that the 25 yard worldie was an embarrassing goal to concede. There was the one who thought that VAR was only used at the end and wasn't used throughout the match. Typical Chelsea class. 2 minutes ago, TWar said: Liverpools net-spend is famously tiny because they make mad deals on outgoings. Infact as of last summer over the last 5 years they are 14th for net spend behind brighton, watford and bournemouth. It's not a great measure tbh, net spend, when you are selling well over the odds. Their squad value is 5th in the league, £70m off Everton in 6th but £120m off Chelsea in 3rd, and a full £356m off City. So they certainly haven't spent that big on their squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 15 May, 2021 Share Posted 15 May, 2021 9 minutes ago, TWar said: Liverpools net-spend is famously tiny because they make mad deals on outgoings. Infact as of last summer over the last 5 years they are 14th for net spend behind brighton, watford and bournemouth. It's not a great measure tbh, net spend, when you are selling well over the odds. Their squad value is 5th in the league (Arsenal are 4th, but by less than £1m), £70m off Everton in 6th but £120m off Chelsea in 3rd, and a full £356m off City. So they certainly haven't spent that big on their squad. They sold Coutinho for £142m. That skews the figures massively. No one in the Prem has sold anyone remotely in that ball park. Not that net spend transfer fees means much when free transfers can cost you huge figures in signing on fees and wages. Maybe Net spend ,plus wages, plus fees (signing ion and agents) would be a better measure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWar Posted 15 May, 2021 Share Posted 15 May, 2021 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Pedantic Pete said: You do realise Arsenal have one of the biggest wage bills in the league? They spend something like £80m more a year than a team like Leicester? Wage bill-wise Arsenal are £53m ahead of Leicester a year, but then they are £47m off United so they are pretty equidistant between the two. On the other hand Arsenal spent £137m more than Leicester assembling their squad, but £175m less than United. They are certainly the richest of the "best of the rest" on paper, but I wouldn't say they are closer financially to the likes of Chelsea, United, and especially city than they are to Leicester, Spurs, and Everton. Edited 15 May, 2021 by TWar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedantic Pete Posted 15 May, 2021 Share Posted 15 May, 2021 Just now, Chez said: They sold Coutinho for £142m. That skews the figures massively. No one in the Prem has sold anyone remotely in that ball park. Not that net spend transfer fees means much when free transfers can cost you huge figures in signing on fees and wages. Maybe Net spend ,plus wages, plus fees (signing ion and agents) would be a better measure? You are right..Liverpool's wage bill is like £300m a year.. Net spend surely is a red herring? Players don't go to Man City due to net spend they go for £500,000 a week! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWar Posted 15 May, 2021 Share Posted 15 May, 2021 Just now, Chez said: They sold Coutinho for £142m. That skews the figures massively. No one in the Prem has sold anyone remotely in that ball park. Not that net spend transfer fees means much when free transfers can cost you huge figures in signing on fees and wages. Maybe Net spend ,plus wages, plus fees (signing ion and agents) would be a better measure? In that post I give pure squad value, which I think is a pretty good measure. I do agree net spend has massive flaws. Not only does Coutinho inflate things but so does getting £100m for Brewster + Ibe + Solanke + Ward + Sakho, and getting like £40 for Benteke. Their selling is insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedantic Pete Posted 15 May, 2021 Share Posted 15 May, 2021 2 minutes ago, TWar said: Wage bill-wise Arsenal are £57m ahead of Leicester a year, but then they are £47m off United so they are pretty equidistant between the two. On the other hand Arsenal spent £137m more than Leicester assembling their squad, but £175m less than United. They are certainly the richest of the "best of the rest" on paper, but I wouldn't say they are closer financially to the likes of Chelsea, United, and especially city than they are to Leicester, Spurs, and Everton. TBF they are massively punching above their weight then.. To be where they are in the table and win a cup when those top six are spending even "just" £57 million more a year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWar Posted 15 May, 2021 Share Posted 15 May, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Pedantic Pete said: TBF they are massively punching above their weight then.. To be where they are in the table and win a cup when those top six are spending even "just" £57 million more a year! United spend £41m a year on wages more than City, wages aren't necessarily predictive in a vacuum. Things like transfer fees matter a lot too. They are low on those too to be fair, so definitely doing well. Just saying "big 6" is kind of a bad place to draw the line. Edited 15 May, 2021 by TWar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 15 May, 2021 Share Posted 15 May, 2021 It's really hard not to feel jealous of Leicester, in recent years they've got to see their team win the league, good run in the Champions League, win the FA Cup and perhaps their biggest achievement of all beating Saints by that infamous scoreline, enough "Once in a lifetime" moments in just a few years. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloggy saint Posted 15 May, 2021 Share Posted 15 May, 2021 48 minutes ago, JRM said: It's really hard not to feel jealous of Leicester, in recent years they've got to see their team win the league, good run in the Champions League, win the FA Cup and perhaps their biggest achievement of all beating Saints by that infamous scoreline, enough "Once in a lifetime" moments in just a few years. You think one freak result is a greater achievement than winning the league??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 15 May, 2021 Share Posted 15 May, 2021 5 minutes ago, cloggy saint said: You think one freak result is a greater achievement than winning the league??? Woosh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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