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To wade into the offside debate, I am pretty sure that even the frame rates they use affect these decisions.

They can’t be certain when the ball is released from the playmaker/assisters foot, and these shoulder lines etc they use again is ridiculous- just look at furthest foot forward and that only. It is a bit of a joke that in 2020 we are using odd camera angles too and nothing that is parallel to the line

Also, I personally think VAR should be given maximum 30 seconds to look at the footage- if a decision can’t be made it isn’t a ‘clear and obvious’ error then is it!

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, SuperSAINT said:

Text-book relegation results for WBA & Fulham this weekend.

Only 18th place is up for grabs imo, 19th and 20th are done. WBA in particular are a horrible team, Fulham not far behind and Sheff U/Burnley look inept as well. But you know those two sides will slog a couple of results from somewhere.

WBA are gone though imo.

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9 minutes ago, nta786 said:

Also, I personally think VAR should be given maximum 30 seconds to look at the footage- if a decision can’t be made it isn’t a ‘clear and obvious’ error then is it!

 

 

 

What happens when the Lino thinks it’s offside? For all we know the Lino thought Bamford was offside.

If you think limiting VAR to 30 seconds will change anything you’re deluded. If Liverpool have a goal ruled out  against City , that 32 seconds later is  subsequently shown to be onside by .05mm, is Klopp going to say “fair play it’s an offside”. No they’ll then be  pundits stating that the correct decision is all that matters, and why couldn’t they wait 2 seconds. An example will be dragged out showing an offside changed after 29 seconds, and they’ll be banging on about 3 seconds. 
 

The simplest way is for everyone to accept that offside is black or white, on or off. You can either have VAR deciding that, or go back to Lino doing so.

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nta786

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27 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

What happens when the Lino thinks it’s offside? For all we know the Lino thought Bamford was offside.

If you think limiting VAR to 30 seconds will change anything you’re deluded. If Liverpool have a goal ruled out  against City , that 32 seconds later is  subsequently shown to be onside by .05mm, is Klopp going to say “fair play it’s an offside”. No they’ll then be  pundits stating that the correct decision is all that matters, and why couldn’t they wait 2 seconds. An example will be dragged out showing an offside changed after 29 seconds, and they’ll be banging on about 3 seconds. 
 

The simplest way is for everyone to accept that offside is black or white, on or off. You can either have VAR deciding that, or go back to Lino doing so.

Onside by ‘.05mm’

That is so small I can’t even fathom it and as I alluded to earlier above, the still pictures they use are by no means 100% accurate. 
I think your example about the 32 seconds etc would rightly be criticised if that were to occur, but at the same time I’d like to think most people including pundits would see over it if the attacking player was only a big toe offside (because the footage is not 100% accurate)

Plus, if the official operating VAR makes a howling decision in the 30 seconds time he has to review footage when it is glaringly obvious, then that is terrible officiating and blame should go on him if it is not offside and vice versa.

 

I agree offside should be black or white- it should be looking at furthest foot forward and move on. Get rid of those dodgy lines they draw from an attackers knee lunging forward or the armpit

 

 

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49 minutes ago, LGTL said:

Why do we always have to ruin things? We’ll be rightly humiliated for that. 

Let’s hope the club have brought a shit ton and lose a load of £ on them (can you see anyone buying one?? Actually, our mongbase I can), and the idiot at the club who thought this was funny loses his job. 
 

Pathetic. 

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22 minutes ago, SKD said:

Let’s hope the club have brought a shit ton and lose a load of £ on them (can you see anyone buying one?? Actually, our mongbase I can), and the idiot at the club who thought this was funny loses his job. 
 

Pathetic. 

Looks like it's just a concept and so it's possible they're printing them to order. Why anyone would want that is beyond me, it's nice to be top of the league but that? Why don't we bring out a DVD to commemorate it 🤦‍♂️

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16 hours ago, Dark Munster said:

Even better, change the offside rule so that only feet are considered. The position of pointing arms, hairy arm pits, etc. are then irrelevant. Simples.

Unless the player scores with their head or shoulder, at which point they come in to play, no?

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19 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

What happens when the Lino thinks it’s offside? For all we know the Lino thought Bamford was offside.

If you think limiting VAR to 30 seconds will change anything you’re deluded. If Liverpool have a goal ruled out  against City , that 32 seconds later is  subsequently shown to be onside by .05mm, is Klopp going to say “fair play it’s an offside”. No they’ll then be  pundits stating that the correct decision is all that matters, and why couldn’t they wait 2 seconds. An example will be dragged out showing an offside changed after 29 seconds, and they’ll be banging on about 3 seconds. 
 

The simplest way is for everyone to accept that offside is black or white, on or off. You can either have VAR deciding that, or go back to Lino doing so.

It does require people to show an element of acceptance. I think 30 seconds would work. Obviously there is always going to be some point where there will be displeasure, but I think most would say that was worth coping with if a) it prevented the terrible decisions and b) didn't come at the expense of the flow of the game. Although offside is close to being black and white, it's not quite - not like the ball crossing the line is - because as with Bamford's case, for e.g. at what point on the arm do you measure? Is it the armpit? If so, what point on the armpit? Offside is black and white if you can measure to the millimetre, but I don't think they can.

The assistants not flagging for an offside complicates it a bit, but the result could just be that more 'slightly offside' goals are given, almost the equivalent of the old "advantage to the attacker" idea (I didn't really agree with that philosophy, but if that's the only side effect then so be it).

It also works for fouls, but things like red cards can have a longer time period, because you don't have to halt the game to decide on that. Yes, there is a feasible scenario where in that time period a player who should have received a red card has scored but people would have to accept these unusual injustices (because a red card 5 mins later is still better than no red card at all).

Don't get me wrong, I think there are plenty of "what about in scenario X?" arguments to be made with this too, and for my own reasoning I'd like to hear as many as possible, because maybe there is something that I haven't though of that renders the idea unworkable. But I'm not sure that the ones you've listed are included in that because the purpose of a time limit is a way of saying "it's not conclusive" without the VAR team having to say so.

 

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2 hours ago, Archers Road Stand said:

https://www.southamptonfc.com/store/clothing/mens/stop-the-count-t-shirt/c-1/c-255/p-4055

Cringe. 

That is tragic, the media team did a good job in fairness Friday night, they were able to ride on the surf of US election excitement and get 300k likes on a tweet but no need to bring a t-shirt out. 

 

Shame to see Eastleigh go out of the FA Cup today, if we're going to get a local minnow in the 3rd round it'll have to be Havant & Waterlooville or Portsmouth 

 

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Dark Munster

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3 hours ago, manzo said:

Unless the player scores with their head or shoulder, at which point they come in to play, no?

Not really, because offside is determined when the ball is played forward. After that it doesn't matter how you score, as long as the attacker's feet are level or behind the feet of the last defender at the moment of the pass. The idea is to make it simpler to implement, while not making a drastic change in the rule.

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Lord Duckhunter

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6 minutes ago, Dark Munster said:

Not really, because offside is determined when the ball is played forward. After that it doesn't matter how you score, as long as the attacker's feet are level or behind the feet of the last defender at the moment of the pass. The idea is make it simpler to implement, while not making a drastic change in the rule.

What difference does it make whether you take the line from the forwards feet or his head? Yes, Bamford would have been onside, but in other cases, for example someone coming back from an offside position as the ball is played, they’ll still  be minuscule distances in it. The back of his heel could be offside, just as Bamfords shoulder was. 

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Not sure why it's so difficult. Clear and obvious is what it should be. If it's a decision that can't be determined quickly and easily within about 30 seconds with slow motion replays then the attackers get the benefit of the doubt. If you have to stay drawing lines or look in terms of millimetres then that's when you don't overturn the decision. Common sense. 

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