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Lord Duckhunter

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9 minutes ago, trousers said:

Bamford either has the longest shoulders in the world or that's his arm that's 'offside'...

And Palace go 2 up

They changed the handball rule because of constant complaints, so now the upper arm to where a short sleeve ends isn’t handball. The knock on effect of this is you can now score with your upper arm sleeve, therefore that part of your arm can be called offside. 
 

The basic thing  people can’t seem to get their head round is offside isn’t subjective. It’s a fact, you’re either onside or off. There’s no “clear & obvious”,no benefit of the doubt. It’s one reason I didn’t think VAR was a good idea, and nothing that’s happened since has made me change my mind. 
 

 

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SaintBobby

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21 minutes ago, OttawaSaint said:

That is just beyond ridiculous. Ludicrous. Awful.

It's a nightmare. Problem is they can only seemingly use VAR to enforce the exact laws of the game. If your armpit is offside, well, you're offside.

It's not like a penalty decision, which can be subjective (although I recall hearing that the technology is only accurate to a certain %, presumably if that's 1cm and you're 1cm offside, they count that as onside?)

My preference would be to only use VAR to look at the position of the feet. If your head, armpit or knee is offside then it's down to the linesman/ref to call it. If they don't, VAR will only look at the position of the feet. I think that would eliminate most decisions which, while they may be technically correct, are enfuriating and seem to go against the spirit of the "doubt favours the attacking team" principle.  

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7 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

They changed the handball rule because of constant complaints, so now the upper arm to where a short sleeve ends isn’t handball. The knock on effect of this is you can now score with your upper arm sleeve, therefore that part of your arm can be called offside. 
 

 

Ah, ok. Didn't realise that. In which case, it was offside (according to the letter of the law)

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2 minutes ago, SaintBobby said:

It's a nightmare. Problem is they can only seemingly use VAR to enforce the exact laws of the game. If your armpit is offside, well, you're offside.

It's not like a penalty decision, which can be subjective (although I recall hearing that the technology is only accurate to a certain %, presumably if that's 1cm and you're 1cm offside, they count that as onside?)

My preference would be to only use VAR to look at the position of the feet. If your head, armpit or knee is offside then it's down to the linesman/ref to call it. If they don't, VAR will only look at the position of the feet. I think that would eliminate most decisions which, while they may be technically correct, are enfuriating and seem to go against the spirit of the "doubt favours teh atatcking team" principle.  

Yep, we need something akin to 'umpires decision' in cricket

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Out of everything that annoys me in football, and that’s a lot, VAR is the absolute worst. 
Hasn’t helped clean up the game one iota and so many blatant penalties missed. Then you get shit like the Bamfird goal chalked off. Fcking insane and none of these fckers can be sure if the lines and frame it is realeased from boot. Ruining the game and should get rid. Geeks and stattos are taking over football

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35 minutes ago, The Cat said:

Pompey's winner was so offside it's implausible that the officials didn't notice it.

Normally I'm all for them getting through in the cup so there's a chance we can play them but it would be a bit crap without fans there. 

Yes but still fun to annihilate them on the tv and remind them how shit they really are

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5 hours ago, Turkish said:

If you want to believe the vast majority of managers would rather manage Southampton than Man United you Carry on mate.

Anyone who thinks we’re more attractive to manage than United are absolutely deluded. However, I don’t think it would be wise for Ralph to jump ship to them. 
 

he’s building something here, 100% backing of the board, fans and squad and generally speaking has a young team willing to learn and run through brick walls for him.. will pogba and co do that? Would he be given the time to buy enough players to suit him to turn them around c. 3/4 windows. 
 

if he has a brain, which I think he does, he’ll hang around for a season and go to Chelsea, who’ll suit him down to the ground. 

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2 hours ago, Teddeer said:

Not sure if he is injured but I see Loftus-Cheek can't even make Fulham's first eleven - he is on the bench.

It's why I didn't want us to sign him (when there were rumours of him coming in on loan). He's a super talent, but after such a serious injury, it's going to take him the best part of a season to get his game back up to speed. In the games he's played since he returned (post-lockdown at Chelsea and now at Fulham) he's looked way off.

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Lookman must be unhinged to have tried that. Jesus, what a moron.

Pen for Fulham, last min of the game, last kick of the game. He tries to take the piss and chip it. He deserves to be on the losing side just for that.

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25 minutes ago, striker said:

Fulham just performed the single worst PK attempt I Have ever seen. At the end of extra time Fulham is given a PK to tie the match. He barely reached the goalie, ha ha ha

Just seen that. Hilarious. He tried the “Paneka” and the goalie just stood there and caught it. Fulham fans must be furious.

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6 hours ago, SaintBobby said:

It's a nightmare. Problem is they can only seemingly use VAR to enforce the exact laws of the game. If your armpit is offside, well, you're offside.

It's not like a penalty decision, which can be subjective (although I recall hearing that the technology is only accurate to a certain %, presumably if that's 1cm and you're 1cm offside, they count that as onside?)

My preference would be to only use VAR to look at the position of the feet. If your head, armpit or knee is offside then it's down to the linesman/ref to call it. If they don't, VAR will only look at the position of the feet. I think that would eliminate most decisions which, while they may be technically correct, are enfuriating and seem to go against the spirit of the "doubt favours the attacking team" principle.  

Even better, change the offside rule so that only feet are considered. The position of pointing arms, hairy arm pits, etc. are then irrelevant. Simples.

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13 minutes ago, Baird of the land said:

Really abhor the offside law as it stands. You’ve got Bamford given offside for pointing his arm but haller not given offside when clearly his offside position caused the defender to think he had to head the ball, resulting in a goal.

Yep, both felt to be the wrong decision. Haller was offside and interfering, whereas Bamford was behind the play and not offside for me. 

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Lord Duckhunter

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5 minutes ago, egg said:

whereas Bamford was behind the play and not offside for me. 

Making our own rules up now are we? 
 

You might not like it, but he was offside. Last season he wouldn’t have  been, but because there was such a song and dance about handballs the handball law was changed. This is one of the unintended consequences of that rule change. 

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Making our own rules up now are we? 
 

You might not like it, but he was offside. Last season he wouldn’t have  been, but because there was such a song and dance about handballs the handball law was changed. This is one of the unintended consequences of that rule change. 

Making nothing up mate, just applying common sense, give it a try. 

As Bamford says, you can't score with your arm, so don't use it in an offside decision. 

His legs/bidy/head were behind the play. Onside all day long. 

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Lord Duckhunter

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2 minutes ago, egg said:

Making nothing up mate, just applying common sense, give it a try. 

As Bamford says, you can't score with your arm, so don't use it in an offside decision. 

His legs/bidy/head were behind the play. Onside all day long. 

His legs/body/head aren’t the only thing you can score with. You can score with parts of your upper arm/ shoulder , so you and Bamford are wrong. 
 

 

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Just now, Lord Duckhunter said:

His legs/body/head aren’t the only thing you can score with. You can score with parts of your upper arm/ shoulder , so you and Bamford are wrong. 
 

 

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I appreciate the new rule. I doubt any footballer, coach, or sensible fan would agree with it though. 

Do you think that the Haller decision was correct? 

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Lord Duckhunter

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26 minutes ago, egg said:

I appreciate the new rule. I doubt any footballer, coach, or sensible fan would agree with it though. 

Do you think that the Haller decision was correct? 

Who said I agreed with it, I was pointing out the fact he was offside. We also don’t know what the Lino would have given with no VAR. all the moaning about how close it was assumes that the Lino thought it was on. Because  they’re told to “play on”, we don’t know . What if the Lino thought it was off by a bit more than it was?
 

I didn’t want var. But in this instance it’s done it’s job. It disallowed an offside goal.  

 

As for Haller, it’s subjective. In my opinion he was interfering, the officials obviously thought otherwise. 

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Whitey Grandad

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2 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Making our own rules up now are we? 
 

You might not like it, but he was offside. Last season he wouldn’t have  been, but because there was such a song and dance about handballs the handball law was changed. This is one of the unintended consequences of that rule change. 

The images don’t show Bamford as offside with any certainty. Too much error there to give a clear decision.

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How about you do it by feet position, then there’s no dotted lines involved, and you use thick blue/red lines. If the lines touch or overlap in anyway then the attacker is onside by ‘umpires decision’ I.e. you need a clear gap between the lines to be offside.

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22 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

How about you do it by feet position, then there’s no dotted lines involved, and you use thick blue/red lines. If the lines touch or overlap in anyway then the attacker is onside by ‘umpires decision’ I.e. you need a clear gap between the lines to be offside.

If one of the feet is in the air you still need a dotted line unfortunately. 

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