Saints in the England Squad

[Turkish]

  On 09/10/2020 at 09:20, Whitey Grandad said:

He spends a lot of his time looking for fouls. He hangs onto the ball too long when a pass would keep our game moving in the hope of drawing in an opponent and then puts himself in a position where he’s going to get fouled.

A great cross for our first goal though.

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He does do that, but then i guess he's been so much better than the players around him at Villa that maybe that's his instinct. I really enjoy watching him, classy player who seems to have so much time on the ball. 

[Charlie Wayman]

So how many England International's are in our team now, I make it 6.

[Turkish]

  On 09/10/2020 at 10:58, Charlie Wayman said:

So how many England International's are in our team now, I make it 6.

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There are England internationals and player who have played for England.

[VectisSaint]

Great goal from Ings, assist by Mings, both former Saints youth. They were at Southampton at the same time as youngsters, wonder if they played together during that time (Danny is a year older than Tyrone).

[Roo1976]

  On 07/10/2020 at 16:19, Roo1976 said:

Neither will play any significant part ,hope im wrong but Calvert lewis is now ahead of Ings and Grealish and Barkley look like they will form 2 in midfield,

no need for 2 holding midfielders in Rice and Dier one or the other along with maybe Mount or Maddison.

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i was a bit wrong with Ings but wasnt everyone with the starting line up?.....pleased they both played and Ings in particular did enough to keep his squad place barring injuries.

[saintwbu]

Agree with previous comments, Grealish is a fantastic footballer. Not very ‘English’ in style, very elegant, ball sticks to his feet and the game seems to just slow down for him. Love watching him, hope we don’t waste him. Delighted for Ings, great goal within 4 minutes of not being shoved out wide. Prowsey looked good too. 

[Noodles34]

  On 09/10/2020 at 10:41, Turkish said:

He does do that, but then i guess he's been so much better than the players around him at Villa that maybe that's his instinct. I really enjoy watching him, classy player who seems to have so much time on the ball. 

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exactly, some people not rating him as beyond me, we need more players like that in our team. All very well have the industry of players like henderson and prowse, the hod carriers, but we need the bricklayers too.

[alehouseboys]

Grealish is exactly what we need in the England attacking midfield area, very good player when he stays on his feet. Feel dirty saying it but I quite rate Mount too.

[saintquin]

Thought Danny had a good game with and without the ball and took his deserved goal well.

Ward-Prowse did well when he came on. Always wanting the ball tried hard to impress in the short time he had.

[Saint_clark]

  On 09/10/2020 at 15:32, alehouseboys said:

Grealish is exactly what we need in the England attacking midfield area, very good player when he stays on his feet. Feel dirty saying it but I quite rate Mount too.

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Talking about Grealish, is there really no rule about having to wear shin pads? He never wears them and I think it's just crazy. 

[John Boy Saint]

  On 09/10/2020 at 19:40, Saint_clark said:

Talking about Grealish, is there really no rule about having to wear shin pads? He never wears them and I think it's just crazy. 

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Bizarrely they kept making comments about the size of his calves on the commentary, maybe that’s the issue regarding his socks, anyway it’s not the rough and ready days of Norman Hunter agricultural tackling in footie any more.

[trousers]

  On 09/10/2020 at 19:40, Saint_clark said:

Talking about Grealish, is there really no rule about having to wear shin pads? He never wears them and I think it's just crazy. 

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Same thought has crossed my mind. Would surprise me if such things aren't regulated...

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[John Boy Saint]

  On 09/10/2020 at 19:40, Saint_clark said:

Talking about Grealish, is there really no rule about having to wear shin pads? He never wears them and I think it's just crazy. 

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Bizarrely they kept making comments about the size of his calves on the commentary, maybe that’s the issue regarding his socks, anyway it’s not the rough and ready days of Norman Hunter agricultural tackling in footie any more.

[John Boy Saint]

  On 09/10/2020 at 19:40, Saint_clark said:

Talking about Grealish, is there really no rule about having to wear shin pads? He never wears them and I think it's just crazy. 

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Bizarrely they kept making comments about the size of his calves on the commentary, maybe that’s the issue regarding his socks, anyway it’s not the rough and ready days of Norman Hunter agricultural tackling in footie any more.

[Jonnyboy]

  On 09/10/2020 at 20:29, John Boy Saint said:

Bizarrely they kept making comments about the size of his calves on the commentary, maybe that’s the issue regarding his socks, anyway it’s not the rough and ready days of Norman Hunter agricultural tackling in footie any more.

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Bit of an obsession developing for you there John? 😍

[Whitey Grandad]

  On 09/10/2020 at 19:40, Saint_clark said:

Talking about Grealish, is there really no rule about having to wear shin pads? He never wears them and I think it's just crazy. 

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Shin pads are compulsory- Law 4.

[SaintBobby]

 Chilwell out for the Belgium game. I’m guessing every left back in England would need to get injured and become unavailable before Southgate even considers putting Bertrand in the squad.

[VectisSaint]

  On 09/10/2020 at 19:40, Saint_clark said:

Talking about Grealish, is there really no rule about having to wear shin pads? He never wears them and I think it's just crazy. 

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Apparently he does wear shin pads, but they are kid size. It is compulsory to wear them but there is nothing to say what size they must be. One day he will get kicked and crocked.

https://www.90min.com/posts/4380823-the-mystery-of-aston-villa-star-jack-grealish-s-missing-shinpads-explained

[Whitey Grandad]

  On 10/10/2020 at 09:58, VectisSaint said:

Apparently he does wear shin pads, but they are kid size. It is compulsory to wear them but there is nothing to say what size they must be. One day he will get kicked and crocked.

https://www.90min.com/posts/4380823-the-mystery-of-aston-villa-star-jack-grealish-s-missing-shinpads-explained

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Law 4 just says: 

• shinguards – these must be made of a suitable material to provide reasonable protection and covered by the socks

[skintsaint]

Probably explains his annoying diving....to avoid getting a proper kick to the shin!

[Badger]

  On 10/10/2020 at 15:05, Whitey Grandad said:

Law 4 just says: 

• shinguards – these must be made of a suitable material to provide reasonable protection and covered by the socks

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Wonder how Brian O'Neill would have managed with that. He would have needed an exemption clause.

[waylander]

Kane reported to be out due to a muscle injury. Calvert-Lewin seems the most likely repalcement but maybe Danny gets on as a sub.

[M271]

Ings and Prowsey on the England bench today.

[steve green]

Belgium look in the mood. Might be one of those games best not to be involved in.

[egg]

Our left side is shocking. So predictable - we're never going to get anywhere with right footed balls swung in from 20+ yards out. Grealish should be out there.

[steve green]

That went better than I thought it would.

[Secret Site Agent]

I cant help feeling though that had Danny played, he would have scored that header to make it three.

 

Kane to me just seems of the boil these days in internationals.

[pimpin4rizeal]

What’s going on with the ings new contract deal.. thought we were in talks ?

really need to get this tied up as it would kill his value if not signing

[pimpin4rizeal]

What’s going on with the ings new contract deal.. thought we were in talks ?

really need to get this tied up as it would kill his value if not signing

[wild-saint]

  On 11/10/2020 at 20:09, pimpin4rizeal said:

What’s going on with the ings new contract deal.. thought we were in talks ?

really need to get this tied up as it would kill his value if not signing

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I have a feeling he won’t sign a new one and next summer we will lose him for circa 25million if he has a decent season.

As for Grealish I think we need to build a team round his talent although but only if he can be persuaded to play for the benefit of the team. He definitely holds on to the ball too much which inclines me to think he is is about himself and not the team. Who knows how he will develop but at 25 I would suggest what you see is what you get. 

[alehouseboys]

  On 12/10/2020 at 12:47, wild-saint said:

I have a feeling he won’t sign a new one and next summer we will lose him for circa 25million if he has a decent season.

As for Grealish I think we need to build a team round his talent although but only if he can be persuaded to play for the benefit of the team. He definitely holds on to the ball too much which inclines me to think he is is about himself and not the team. Who knows how he will develop but at 25 I would suggest what you see is what you get. 

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Ingsy has most likely got one good payday left with a transfer, we’ll probably have to break the bank to keep hold of him.

Agree about Grealish, you can see he models himself on Beckham, should become an England regular on this form.

[saintquin]

Hard on Danny not getting a start last night. I thought he offered and did much more than Calvert-Lewin against Wales.

Just not the media's new darlin I suppose.

[Red]

  On 12/10/2020 at 12:47, wild-saint said:

I have a feeling he won’t sign a new one and next summer we will lose him for circa 25million if he has a decent season.

As for Grealish I think we need to build a team round his talent although but only if he can be persuaded to play for the benefit of the team. He definitely holds on to the ball too much which inclines me to think he is is about himself and not the team. Who knows how he will develop but at 25 I would suggest what you see is what you get. 

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Not sure where all the doom and gloom is coming from - just the national mood with everything that's going on??

Ings will sign a new contract -slightly better terms, not massive and will end his playing days with us. He loves it here - earns a decent amount and is our star/main man - he's not about to risk that.

[Saint_clark]

  On 12/10/2020 at 14:43, Red said:

Not sure where all the doom and gloom is coming from - just the national mood with everything that's going on??

Ings will sign a new contract -slightly better terms, not massive and will end his playing days with us. He loves it here - earns a decent amount and is our star/main man - he's not about to risk that.

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Basing this on anything or just starry eyed sentimentalism?

[trousers]

  On 12/10/2020 at 14:43, Red said:

Ings will sign a new contract

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Source?

[Turkish]

  On 12/10/2020 at 14:43, Red said:

Not sure where all the doom and gloom is coming from - just the national mood with everything that's going on??

Ings will sign a new contract -slightly better terms, not massive and will end his playing days with us. He loves it here - earns a decent amount and is our star/main man - he's not about to risk that.

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*Updates ITK watch list*

[Verbal]

  On 13/10/2020 at 05:59, trousers said:

Source?

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It is written.

[pimpin4rizeal]

  On 12/10/2020 at 12:47, wild-saint said:

I have a feeling he won’t sign a new one and next summer we will lose him for circa 25million if he has a decent season.

As for Grealish I think we need to build a team round his talent although but only if he can be persuaded to play for the benefit of the team. He definitely holds on to the ball too much which inclines me to think he is is about himself and not the team. Who knows how he will develop but at 25 I would suggest what you see is what you get. 

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Probably makes financial sense to give him decent wage increase really..

as him not signing could cost us 40m plus on his next move 

[suewhistle]

In other England news I see they are short of a left back. An article in The Guardian with a few interesting comments BTL re Bertrand as well: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/oct/14/the-guppy-paradox-are-englands-left-sided-woes-back-to-haunt-them

[benjii]

Grealish is ok but he's no better than the likes of Lallana ever were at their peak. Not sure I understand the clamour to build the team around him, but maybe it's just because everyone else is shite?

[Alanh]

Grealish brings something different to the England team, but its so frustrating seeing him go down every time he is touched as it just slows the pace of the attack down.  It's not necessarily his fault he gets foulted so much but I think the team would benefit if he moved the ball on quickly more often.  He can play a dangerous pass so it's not about ability.  When we are under pressure it's fine to draw a foul to give us time to regroup, but it must be so frustrating for the team when players are making runs and the attack is repeatedly being stopped.

[SNSUN]

No Ings or JWP in the starting line up. Such a boring starting XI, it's definitely like GS is trying not to lose than trying to actually win games. James over TAA? No Grealish? AMN over the left footed Saka? I'm still unsure of Southgate as manager. Makes some odd decisions. Still as long as he keeps getting results, we keep him as manager.

 

England

• 1Pickford
• 4Walker
• 5Coady
• 6Maguire
• 2James
• 8Phillips
• 7Rice
• 3Maitland-Niles
• 10Mount
• 11Rashford
• 9Kane

Substitutes

• 12Mings
• 13Pope
• 14Henderson
• 15Saka
• 16Alexander-Arnold
• 17Gomez
• 18Ward-Prowse
• 19Grealish
• 20Ings
• 21Sancho
• 22Henderson
• 23Calvert-Lewin

[Matthew Le God]

  On 14/10/2020 at 18:01, SNSUN said:

 it's definitely like GS is trying not to lose than trying to actually win games.

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Devil's advocate...

They just beat the number 1 ranked team in the world! 😉

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[SNSUN]

  On 14/10/2020 at 18:03, Matthew Le God said:

Devil's advocate...

They just beat the number 1 ranked team in the world! 😉

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Hence the last line of my post. 🙂 Even teams playing not to get beat sometimes score enough to win. I did however enjoy the friendly last week.

[Saint Keef]

Still, if Ings and JWP don't play, they can't get injured! That's with my selfish Saints hat on.

[Saint Keef]

  On 14/10/2020 at 08:33, Alanh said:

Grealish brings something different to the England team, but its so frustrating seeing him go down every time he is touched as it just slows the pace of the attack down.  It's not necessarily his fault he gets foulted so much but I think the team would benefit if he moved the ball on quickly more often.  He can play a dangerous pass so it's not about ability.  When we are under pressure it's fine to draw a foul to give us time to regroup, but it must be so frustrating for the team when players are making runs and the attack is repeatedly being stopped.

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Totally agree. The falling over thing is just too much. He did it for 90 minutes at St Mary's last year, but each time, the ref gave a free kick. It the refs got wise to him and didn't "buy" the fall every time, he would stop doing it. Something else I've noticed. Other Villa players have started doing it, possibly to a lesser degree, but still going over way too easy......a couple of them have also copied his weird hairstyle. He's obviously has quite an influence on the Villa camp. 

[steve green]

harry maguire =

[steve green]

  On 14/10/2020 at 19:08, steve green said:

harry maguire =

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Only took 9 mins for me to be proved right.

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cant spell

[Turkish]

#callupStephens

[trousers]

As two of the most industrious / tenacious players on the bench, one would expect to see Ings and JWP come on fairly early in the second half as the 10 men start to tire / fade...?

#notbiasedintheslightest

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