saintwbu Posted 18 May, 2017 Posted 18 May, 2017 Can't see him being given much credit on here so felt he deserved his own thread. Not sure how I feel about people booing a manager's decision to substitute a player but felt it was testament to how much Prowsey has improved this season, that would never have been the case back in September. Now find myself disappointed when he's not in the side, didn't think that would ever happen. He's not going to be a regular match winner type to drag us through games but he is always looking for the ball and very rarely wastes it, his composure in an attacking sense has improved vastly this season and the shot that forced a great save out of Romero would have been blasted miles over the bar a few months back. He's taken a bit of a battering on here sometimes but he finally seems to have found his feet and be worth his place in the team.
Give it to Ron Posted 18 May, 2017 Posted 18 May, 2017 I was disappointed to see him go (didn't boo just a slight moan) he put in some great free kicks and I like how he now was looking to pass forward more now than sideways. Its my problem at moment some like JWP, Jayrod, Hojberg and Clasie put in good performances yet get dropped for people like Tadic who are doing nothing in games. Not sure what else JWP could have done last night and didn't deserve the hook. He offers good protection to the full back too.
saintwbu Posted 18 May, 2017 Author Posted 18 May, 2017 I was disappointed to see him go (didn't boo just a slight moan) he put in some great free kicks and I like how he now was looking to pass forward more now than sideways. Its my problem at moment some like JWP, Jayrod, Hojberg and Clasie put in good performances yet get dropped for people like Tadic who are doing nothing in games. Not sure what else JWP could have done last night and didn't deserve the hook. He offers good protection to the full back too. Yeah I wasn't booing either but was also disappointed. Tadic particularly stood out to me as terrible, has been for the majority of the season in my opinion. I'm often suggesting that loyalty works both ways so we can't moan about players wanting to leave if we are suggesting the club gets rid of players they don't want, but for me i'd be quite happy if we sold Tadic now.
Harry_SFC Posted 18 May, 2017 Posted 18 May, 2017 I must admit I've been one of his harshest critics since he's been in the first team but he has definitely improved as this season has progressed. His set pieces are a lot more consistent now and looks more of a threat in the final third. He's starting to become a little more aggressive, he still has a fair bit to work on but he is starting to make me eat my words. Hopefully he starts next season in the same vein.
shurlock Posted 18 May, 2017 Posted 18 May, 2017 Not sure what people want. Moaning about like-for-like subs one moment; complaining when Puel changes things up the next. People have wanted us to take things to the opposition; out of all our players, JWP, Davis and Romeu were the obvious candidates to make way for a more attacking option. Obviously subbing Romeu was a nonstarter, so really it was a choice between Davis (who also had a good game) and JWP. All things considered, the sub made sense.
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 18 May, 2017 Posted 18 May, 2017 Not sure what people want. Moaning about like-for-like subs one moment; complaining when Puel changes things up the next. People want us to take things to the opposition; out of all our players, JWP, Davis and Romeu were the obvious candidates to make way for a more attacking option. Obviously subbing Romeu was a nonstarter, so really it was a choice between Davis (who also had a good game) and JWP. All things considered, the sub made sense. Blimey i agree with you I`m sure i will get over it
benjii Posted 18 May, 2017 Posted 18 May, 2017 Not sure what people want. Moaning about like-for-like subs one moment; complaining when Puel changes things up the next. People have wanted us to take things to the opposition; out of all our players, JWP, Davis and Romeu were the obvious candidates to make way for a more attacking option. Obviously subbing Romeu was a nonstarter, so really it was a choice between Davis (who also had a good game) and JWP. All things considered, the sub made sense. Agreed. "Too many crabs... bloody sideways.... blah, blah, blah". Takes one of them off and puts a direct runner on.... booooo!
saintwbu Posted 18 May, 2017 Author Posted 18 May, 2017 Not sure what people want. Moaning about like-for-like subs one moment; complaining when Puel changes things up the next. People want us to take things to the opposition; out of all our players, JWP, Davis and Romeu were the obvious candidates to make way for a more attacking option. Obviously subbing Romeu was a nonstarter, so really it was a choice between Davis (who also had a good game) and JWP. All things considered, the sub made sense. I personally wasn't moaning about the sub, just that it was JWP that was the victim of it. For me Davis along with Tadic was poor, either of those should have gone off. This wasn't an anti-Puel thread, i'm very much pro-Puel and want him to stay, just appreciating the fans' change of attitude towards Ward-Prowse.
Saint_clark Posted 18 May, 2017 Posted 18 May, 2017 Agreed. "Too many crabs... bloody sideways.... blah, blah, blah". Takes one of them off and puts a direct runner on.... booooo! Except JWP wasn't going sideways last night, he was direct, attacking and had some excellent chances on goal that required a fantastic save or a last ditch block.
saint_stevo Posted 18 May, 2017 Posted 18 May, 2017 take away his dead balls and he is at best, Average.
Pilchards Posted 18 May, 2017 Posted 18 May, 2017 take away his dead balls and he is at best, Average. Having a half decent striker on the end of them would make him world class.
Give it to Ron Posted 18 May, 2017 Posted 18 May, 2017 Not sure what people want. Moaning about like-for-like subs one moment; complaining when Puel changes things up the next. People have wanted us to take things to the opposition; out of all our players, JWP, Davis and Romeu were the obvious candidates to make way for a more attacking option. Obviously subbing Romeu was a nonstarter, so really it was a choice between Davis (who also had a good game) and JWP. All things considered, the sub made sense. Also any changes were hampered by Pied having to come on for Cedric meaning one less sub. I would have taken off the ineffectual Tadic who was creating nothing at least JWP was with his delivery.
saintmatt Posted 18 May, 2017 Posted 18 May, 2017 Not sure what people want. Moaning about like-for-like subs one moment; complaining when Puel changes things up the next. People have wanted us to take things to the opposition; out of all our players, JWP, Davis and Romeu were the obvious candidates to make way for a more attacking option. Obviously subbing Romeu was a nonstarter, so really it was a choice between Davis (who also had a good game) and JWP. All things considered, the sub made sense. Agreed. Also ironic that it appears to be Puel's work with JWP that has got the best out of him and therefore the booing could be seen to be, at least in part, a testament to Puel's coaching ability
Saint Billy Posted 18 May, 2017 Posted 18 May, 2017 i thought he had a good game last night apart from one terrible pass which man u did not capitalise on. He looks to be toughening up a bit in a tackle as well.
Lord Duckhunter Posted 18 May, 2017 Posted 18 May, 2017 Had he swapped Tadic for Boufall then the boo boys would be moaning about like for like subs. It looked to me that he played Boufall as a 10 leaving Tadic & Redmond wide. This still gave us the stability of our "normal" central partnership of Davo & OR .Had we been losing he'd have probably taken Davo off & left JWP on. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
SKD Posted 18 May, 2017 Posted 18 May, 2017 Not sure what people want. Moaning about like-for-like subs one moment; complaining when Puel changes things up the next. People have wanted us to take things to the opposition; out of all our players, JWP, Davis and Romeu were the obvious candidates to make way for a more attacking option. Obviously subbing Romeu was a nonstarter, so really it was a choice between Davis (who also had a good game) and JWP. All things considered, the sub made sense. Agree
Dellman Posted 18 May, 2017 Posted 18 May, 2017 JWP has improved, more than I expected and should be our regular penalty kicker. When he is subbed we never seem to play as well
SKD Posted 18 May, 2017 Posted 18 May, 2017 JWP has no doubt improved this season, which I put down to exposure and game time. However, you have to question if he really has a place in the team next year? I don't think he has the strength to play in a deeper role, or the stamina to play box to box in 2 next to Romeu and I think he lacks the attacking side of the game to fill the role as a no.10 (with our current squad, I would say Davis is best suited to this role). He is very good at keeping the ball and is our best player from a dead ball. IMO, he's best suited to play in a 3, however I don't think that suits us. It'll be interesting to see how we set up next year and if JWP keeps his place.
Lord Duckhunter Posted 18 May, 2017 Posted 18 May, 2017 JWP has no doubt improved this season, which I put down to exposure and game time. Nothing to do with the coaching staff then? Funny how it's Puel when players are shiete but any improvement is down to other things Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
simo Posted 18 May, 2017 Posted 18 May, 2017 take away his dead balls and he is at best, Average. Take away Mane''s pace and he's at best Average!
Roo1976 Posted 18 May, 2017 Posted 18 May, 2017 take away his dead balls and he is at best, Average. yes exactly this ...............just bang average,but to be fair so are all our non existing contributing midfield players.
SKD Posted 18 May, 2017 Posted 18 May, 2017 Nothing to do with the coaching staff then? Funny how it's Puel when players are shiete but any improvement is down to other things Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Of course Puel has to take credit, he's given him game time? I never suggested it wasn't down to Puel did I?
saintwbu Posted 18 May, 2017 Author Posted 18 May, 2017 Nothing to do with the coaching staff then? Funny how it's Puel when players are shiete but any improvement is down to other things Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk It's funny how these things work, isn't it? I saw someone say Cedric hadn't improved under Puel the other day. Cedric, that used to be dropped for Martina or even Yoshida as a RB, but is now one of our best players, hasn't improved under Puel... Romeu has gone from bit part player to absolutely outstanding every game, playing in arguably a more difficult role and with less cover beside him. Yoshida has been brilliant, as has JWP.
S-Clarke Posted 18 May, 2017 Posted 18 May, 2017 wasnt at the game last night but was the booing actual booing of the sub or fans singing booooooufal? It was 100% booing and jeering towards the sub.
Saint_Tony Posted 18 May, 2017 Posted 18 May, 2017 improved this season, but still not good enough for us and never will be Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 18 May, 2017 Posted 18 May, 2017 It was 100% cretinous booing and jeering towards the sub. Fixed it for you, hope you don`t mind
S-Clarke Posted 18 May, 2017 Posted 18 May, 2017 Fixed it for you, hope you don`t mind Can't disagree with that.
igsey Posted 18 May, 2017 Posted 18 May, 2017 Thought JWP was our biggest attacking threat in the second half (and he didn't even play half of that). Great to see him charging around and getting stuck in more, he seems to have gained half a yard of pace too. I like him in the right mid role he's been in recently. We look weaker when he's not playing which is a testament to him.
benjii Posted 18 May, 2017 Posted 18 May, 2017 It would be great if he could put on a bit more muscle and play alongside Romeu in the deeper role because technically his game is well suited to that position. Davis, Redmond, Tadic, Boufal and Sims (subject to departures / signings) could then compete for the advanced spots.
richardc Posted 18 May, 2017 Posted 18 May, 2017 I think that JWP is good at whipping in Free kicks and corners but I would nt say he is great at taking free kicks as direct shots and his open play direct shooting is woeful
Verbal Posted 18 May, 2017 Posted 18 May, 2017 take away his dead balls and he is at best, Average. He might say the same about you.
AK Posted 18 May, 2017 Posted 18 May, 2017 wasnt at the game last night but was the booing actual booing of the sub or fans singing booooooufal? I don't think Boufal was being booed or JWP.It was the fact that JWP was coming off rather than Tadic or Redmond who seemed to be getting most of the flak during the game.
saintwbu Posted 18 May, 2017 Author Posted 18 May, 2017 wasnt at the game last night but was the booing actual booing of the sub or fans singing booooooufal? Haha like boo-urns. It was without a doubt booing of the decision to withdraw JWP unfortunately. Obviously booing the decision rather than the man making it... ah no, probably not, ****s.
Lord Duckhunter Posted 18 May, 2017 Posted 18 May, 2017 Of course Puel has to take credit, he's given him game time? I never suggested it wasn't down to Puel did I? You're suggesting that giving him game time was all it took, nothing to do with coaching.
sotonist Posted 18 May, 2017 Posted 18 May, 2017 Can't see him being given much credit on here so felt he deserved his own thread. Not sure how I feel about people booing a manager's decision to substitute a player but felt it was testament to how much Prowsey has improved this season, that would never have been the case back in September. Now find myself disappointed when he's not in the side, didn't think that would ever happen. He's not going to be a regular match winner type to drag us through games but he is always looking for the ball and very rarely wastes it, his composure in an attacking sense has improved vastly this season and the shot that forced a great save out of Romero would have been blasted miles over the bar a few months back. He's taken a bit of a battering on here sometimes but he finally seems to have found his feet and be worth his place in the team. partly. it's also testament to how much the rest of the squad have regressed.
wellzzy Posted 18 May, 2017 Posted 18 May, 2017 Prowse is crap funny no other clubs want him not worth a tenner
DuncanRG Posted 18 May, 2017 Posted 18 May, 2017 wasnt at the game last night but was the booing actual booing of the sub or fans singing booooooufal? I think they were saying 'boo-urns', actually.
Saints foreva Posted 18 May, 2017 Posted 18 May, 2017 He also looked very ****ed off about the substitution.
StDunko Posted 18 May, 2017 Posted 18 May, 2017 I don't think Boufal was being booed or JWP.It was the fact that JWP was coming off rather than Tadic or Redmond who seemed to be getting most of the flak during the game. Yeah, there were some boo's around where I sit and they were all because is was JWP being taken off rather than Tadic.
st alex Posted 18 May, 2017 Posted 18 May, 2017 Hope we start having someone make a late run to the back post when we've got a corner, so many corners against Arsenal and Man Utd went through over the crowd and we never had anyone attacking the back post from deep.
captainchris Posted 19 May, 2017 Posted 19 May, 2017 Nothing to do with the coaching staff then? Funny how it's Puel when players are shiete but any improvement is down to other things Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk As several players have gone backwards under Puel it is unlikely that Puel is responsible for certain players getting better.... is that not so.... ?
Dusic Posted 17 July, 2017 Posted 17 July, 2017 If we are moving back to a 4-2-3-1 then JWP will find it hard to get a game wide right. Begs the question, how will MP use him? He is still too weak and slow to play in the "2" and a non-threat no 10. How can we use his technical ability but without his poor physical ability hampering the team in either defence or attack?
ally_uk Posted 17 July, 2017 Posted 17 July, 2017 Get him some protein shakes and some weights tell the lad to get some meat on him.. .
qwertyell Posted 17 July, 2017 Posted 17 July, 2017 I'm sure it'll be a case of yet another manager trying to shoehorn him into a variety of roles, knowing that he compromises each one in various ways, but feeling like he's worth persevering with regardless.
Nordic Saint Posted 17 July, 2017 Posted 17 July, 2017 'Dead ball specialist' is not really a correct description of Ward-Prowse. He is a corner specialist. His free-kicks in front of the oppostion penalty area usually go a yard high and wide of the goal. We really miss not having a real dead ball specialist, like Le Tissier or Lambert, who can score goals from free-kicks. I think Boufal or Gabbiadini would probably be better at taking them than Ward-Prowse.
teacher Posted 17 July, 2017 Posted 17 July, 2017 'Dead ball specialist' is not really a correct description of Ward-Prowse. He is a corner specialist. His free-kicks in front of the oppostion penalty area usually go a yard high and wide of the goal. We really miss not having a real dead ball specialist, like Le Tissier or Lambert, who can score goals from free-kicks. I think Boufal or Gabbiadini would probably be better at taking them than Ward-Prowse. VVD used to take them for Celtic, I'd give him a go (if he's still here!)
Dan Johnson Posted 17 July, 2017 Posted 17 July, 2017 Think he's getting close to being our best midfielder. Personally feel he's improving season after season
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