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This is something that the Trust should have done weeks ago. Any member of the Trust should be asking just what their contributions are for.

The most inert group of so called supporters I have seen, they appear inept at representing their membrers and appear to be too cozy with the current Board of Directors.

 

Why is anybody still in any sort of doubt that the Trust will do anything ?

 

1. Its a f**king cliquey club only interested in getting cheap burgers and beer

 

2. Illlingsworth, the Chairman, is a f**king Luvvie, FFS.

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Yes Jan you are right, what are the Trust doing? how come they are not doing a thing at the most important time in Saints history !

 

This is last chance saloon time for the Saints Trust. They have a week to save themselves. If they carry on dithering no-one will take them seriously again and rightly so.

 

I think they are trying to get something moving now, It's all shareholders invited, email mikefenner@saveoursaints ( presumably .co.uk or .com).

 

I think i'm right in assuming this version of "Save Our Saints" is in no way connected with an SOS group from TSF. I wish them all the best of luck.

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Snowballs2 you are spot on, I asked a commitee member of the Trust this morning what the hell are they doing about this situation I am still waiting for an answer !!

 

 

Hell will freeze over before you get an answer.

They will be wringing their hands soon and blaming the fans, but their inaction representing members is criminal. Are they protecting their free season tickets

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On the face of it this meeting looks another unorganised knee jerk reaction event but if enough local shareholders attend it can be useful in devising a strategy similar to the one I posted up last Sunday. I wish them well.

 

As far as the Saints Trust is concerned, yes it is disappointing that they do not yet appear to have a strategy or vision for the future of our club but if you are not a member, or like me did not renew your membership why do you think you have a right to criticise.

 

One of the reasons the Trust is not working is that it has so few members and many that are seem happy just to leave it to those who give their free time (no they do not get season tickets or other perks from the club).

 

For the Trust to work it has to be representative of the supporter base and it can only do that if it has sufficient members. If you want to be critical, join and make your voice heard. Get involved. Use some of that undoubted skill by volunteering your assistance.

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Cany anyone confirm what percentage Lowe got at the recent AGM someone has told me that it was in the region of 90+% which would have meant that the either large shareholders ie Leon didnt vote or have I been misinformed with this figure.

 

The percentage was of the votes cast not the number of shares issued. Crouch/Corbett have about 16% of the shares, about 17% of the issued shares, they didn't vote.

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Derry can you or anyone tell me when this meeting is, where and who is likely to attend. I may be able to get some big shareholders there.

 

Tonight, 7pm at the De Vere Hotel. Organiser Mike Fenner a season ticket holder/fed up shareholder, trying to start a body to represent anti Lowe shareholders, and to bring together as many shares as possible into a block to try and oust Lowe.

 

It will of course need the larger shareholders, but it is the first time anybody has tried to bring in all the shares opposing Lowe into a cohesive block.

 

As there is probably at least a third of the issued shares not accounted for it could be a mechanism to oust him.

 

It's a private initiative and is open to all shareholders. If some of the larger shareholders went, it would really set the ball rolling, and surely get Lowe's attention.

 

I am not a shareholder, but I might now buy some shares to help.

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Tonight, 7pm at the De Vere Hotel. Organiser Mike Fenner a season ticket holder/fed up shareholder, trying to start a body to represent anti Lowe shareholders, and to bring together as many shares as possible into a block to try and oust Lowe.

 

It will of course need the larger shareholders, but it is the first time anybody has tried to bring in all the shares opposing Lowe into a cohesive block.

 

As there is probably at least a third of the issued shares not accounted for it could be a mechanism to oust him.

 

It's a private initiative and is open to all shareholders. If some of the larger shareholders went, it would really set the ball rolling, and surely get Lowe's attention.

 

I am not a shareholder, but I might now buy some shares to help.

 

I spoke to a large shareholder last night who knew nothing about this ??

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On the face of it this meeting looks another unorganised knee jerk reaction event but if enough local shareholders attend it can be useful in devising a strategy similar to the one I posted up last Sunday. I wish them well.

 

As far as the Saints Trust is concerned, yes it is disappointing that they do not yet appear to have a strategy or vision for the future of our club but if you are not a member, or like me did not renew your membership why do you think you have a right to criticise.

 

One of the reasons the Trust is not working is that it has so few members and many that are seem happy just to leave it to those who give their free time (no they do not get season tickets or other perks from the club).

 

For the Trust to work it has to be representative of the supporter base and it can only do that if it has sufficient members. If you want to be critical, join and make your voice heard. Get involved. Use some of that undoubted skill by volunteering your assistance.

 

Ron, I don't know anybody in the trust, I only know what I have seen, and I don't have any time for it at all. I perceived it to be an attempt by a few to set up a trust to give them influence in the club and maybe a seat on the board.

 

I think it was a failure and is now seen as such.

 

It really is not the appropriate vehicle to take a shareholders association forward, I like this new initiative and wish it well, it has fresh legs and deserves support.

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I spoke to a large shareholder last night who knew nothing about this ??

 

Indeed. It seems odd that a meeting to attract 'non-Lowe camp' shareholders hasn't actually been publicised very well. A post on a fans forum stating the time and venue without any background info seems a strange way to get people on board.

 

Or perhaps there was a catch-22 at play here....i.e. too much advanced publicity might have scuppered their plans? i.e. they didn't wantto give too much away to the 'Lowe camp'?

 

Dunno. It's all Ted Rogers to me.

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Indeed. It seems odd that a meeting to attract 'non-Lowe camp' shareholders hasn't actually been publicised very well. A post on a fans forum stating the time and venue without any background info seems a strange way to get people on board.

 

Or perhaps there was a catch-22 at play here....i.e. too much advanced publicity might have scuppered their plans? i.e. they didn't wantto give too much away to the 'Lowe camp'?

 

Dunno. It's all Ted Rogers to me.

 

Does seem a bit odd. Has a room been booked at the DeVere? How big is said room? Details seem to be a little scarce.

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I spoke to a large shareholder last night who knew nothing about this ??

 

If he is anti Lowe he needs to be involved, this meeting is the result of a previous meeting in Wickham last week. The Echo only printed the story last night, it wasn't on their web site, but you don't know how long they sat on it.

 

I put it on here after reading the Echo as I thought it deserved support.

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I spoke to a large shareholder last night who knew nothing about this ??

 

See Westons post above.

 

Fail to understand why it has to be tonight, 24hrs after first put in this domain, where else has it been advertised ? I fear it will be a non event and another opportunity missed to do something properly, defer it for 7 days and give it maximum exposure, contact shareholders direct, if no detail get the echo to publish 'a calling to all shareholders' speak to known shareholders and ask they notify shareholders known to them etc....arrange it for the night before a home game then those who live a distance may be more willing to tie it in.

 

Fail to prepare, prepare to fail (even with the best intentions)

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On the face of it this meeting looks another unorganised knee jerk reaction event but if enough local shareholders attend it can be useful in devising a strategy similar to the one I posted up last Sunday. I wish them well.

 

As far as the Saints Trust is concerned, yes it is disappointing that they do not yet appear to have a strategy or vision for the future of our club but if you are not a member, or like me did not renew your membership why do you think you have a right to criticise.

 

One of the reasons the Trust is not working is that it has so few members and many that are seem happy just to leave it to those who give their free time (no they do not get season tickets or other perks from the club).

 

For the Trust to work it has to be representative of the supporter base and it can only do that if it has sufficient members. If you want to be critical, join and make your voice heard. Get involved. Use some of that undoubted skill by volunteering your assistance.

 

I have to say I agree with you completely on this - the reason the Trust failed in the past is because saints fans just wanted to criticize the Trust but not get involved or help in anyway

 

there was an open invitation to saints fans to get involved - to shareholders to proxy their shares to the Trust to give Saints fans a voice - for people to join or donate money so the Trust could buy shares in the club to give saints fans a bigger voice

 

I joined, got involved in the committee, bought £500 of shares, proxied them to the Trust, gave out leaflets at games (mostly to hostile abuse from saints fans) - at least I tried - the reasons it failed were mostly due to the apathy of Saints fans

 

for some reason at other clubs like Reading and Derby the supporters Trusts have worked well - why not Saints - ask yourselves that!

 

I would also like to point out that fos1, ladysaint, exit2, and stevegrant were all members of the the Saints Trust committee in the past along with Um Pahars - and all of us stepped down for various reasons - so I am not totally sure why some of them are criticising it now

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Does seem a bit odd. Has a room been booked at the DeVere? How big is said room? Details seem to be a little scarce.

 

Why ask the question on here, I've just put on here what was in the Echo including the organisers email address. If your interested email him.

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Why ask the question on here, I've just put on here what was in the Echo including the organisers email address. If your interested email him.

 

Because you can't organise a significant event simply by saying 'here's my email address, contact me if you want more details'.

 

What is the role of an 'organiser', if not to 'organise'?

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See Westons post above.

 

Fail to understand why it has to be tonight, 24hrs after first put in this domain, where else has it been advertised ? I fear it will be a non event and another opportunity missed to do something properly, defer it for 7 days and give it maximum exposure, contact shareholders direct, if no detail get the echo to publish 'a calling to all shareholders' speak to known shareholders and ask they notify shareholders known to them etc....arrange it for the night before a home game then those who live a distance may be more willing to tie it in.

 

Fail to prepare, prepare to fail (even with the best intentions)

 

Not necessarily, it's obviously only a start up meeting, I think from tonights meeting things will begin to move on. I only know what I read in the Echo.

 

It could be it wasn't intended initially for some of the dickheads on this site, because they actually don't have time for some of the crap we get on here, and actually want to get something done.

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The article appeared on page 61 of yesterdays Echo "Supporters to stage second get-together"

 

A group of Saints fans are staging a second get-together in a matter of days with regards to pooling their Southampton Leisure Holdings PLC shares and forming a strong voice to help force change

 

Season ticket holder Mike Fenner, from Droxford, was among the fans who met at Wickham and who are meeting again tomorrow night at the De Vere Hotel in Southampton (7pm)

 

"It would appear that many fans like myself have had enough" said Mr Fenner. "Is Lowe so thick skinned that he does not realise many loyal fans are staying away because of him, which is creating the present financial crisis the club now faces" "Now is the time for us all to unite against the present regime and create a situation where the fans have some say in the running of their once great club"

 

" I do believe that we have not yet reached rock bottom, but if we all act together in a positive way it may not be too late"

 

"There are two of us with 7,000 shares between us and I ask all shareholders to come and meet us at the De Vere" "We have got to do something. If this does not get of the ground then at least we can say we tried to do something" "You have to be positive, you wouldn't try to do these things if you weren't"

 

"I want to get the message out there that we don't have to endure all this on our own, let's join together and fight the cause. It would be fantastic if any ex-players were interested in joining our campain"

 

Anyone interested in finding out more can email mikefenner@saveoursaints

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The article appeared on page 61 of yesterdays Echo "Supporters to stage second get-together"

 

A group of Saints fans are staging a second get-together in a matter of days with regards to pooling their Southampton Leisure Holdings PLC shares and forming a strong voice to help force change

 

Season ticket holder Mike Fenner, from Droxford, was among the fans who met at Wickham and who are meeting again tomorrow night at the De Vere Hotel in Southampton (7pm)

 

"It would appear that many fans like myself have had enough" said Mr Fenner. "Is Lowe so thick skinned that he does not realise many loyal fans are staying away because of him, which is creating the present financial crisis the club now faces" "Now is the time for us all to unite against the present regime and create a situation where the fans have some say in the running of their once great club"

 

" I do believe that we have not yet reached rock bottom, but if we all act together in a positive way it may not be too late"

 

"There are two of us with 7,000 shares between us and I ask all shareholders to come and meet us at the De Vere" "We have got to do something. If this does not get of the ground then at least we can say we tried to do something" "You have to be positive, you wouldn't try to do these things if you weren't"

 

"I want to get the message out there that we don't have to endure all this on our own, let's join together and fight the cause. It would be fantastic if any ex-players were interested in joining our campain"

 

Anyone interested in finding out more can email mikefenner@saveoursaints

 

Cheers for that Weston

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The article appeared on page 61 of yesterdays Echo "Supporters to stage second get-together"

 

A group of Saints fans are staging a second get-together in a matter of days with regards to pooling their Southampton Leisure Holdings PLC shares and forming a strong voice to help force change

 

Season ticket holder Mike Fenner, from Droxford, was among the fans who met at Wickham and who are meeting again tomorrow night at the De Vere Hotel in Southampton (7pm)

 

"It would appear that many fans like myself have had enough" said Mr Fenner. "Is Lowe so thick skinned that he does not realise many loyal fans are staying away because of him, which is creating the present financial crisis the club now faces" "Now is the time for us all to unite against the present regime and create a situation where the fans have some say in the running of their once great club"

 

" I do believe that we have not yet reached rock bottom, but if we all act together in a positive way it may not be too late"

 

"There are two of us with 7,000 shares between us and I ask all shareholders to come and meet us at the De Vere" "We have got to do something. If this does not get of the ground then at least we can say we tried to do something" "You have to be positive, you wouldn't try to do these things if you weren't"

 

"I want to get the message out there that we don't have to endure all this on our own, let's join together and fight the cause. It would be fantastic if any ex-players were interested in joining our campain"

 

Anyone interested in finding out more can email mikefenner@saveoursaints

 

Thanks Ron, nice to see somebody is doing something, good luck to them.

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nice to see somebody is doing something, good luck to them.

 

Very few wish them anything but luck if it improves the situation at our club, those who you refer to as 'dickheads' just may have concerns that it will not achieve the objective due to poor attendance, I applaud anyone who takes action, even if misguided, as I am sick of hearing/seeing the word apathy when referring to our fans.

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Very few wish them anything but luck if it improves the situation at our club, those who you refer to as 'dickheads' just may have concerns that it will not achieve the objective due to poor attendance, I applaud anyone who takes action, even if misguided, as I am sick of hearing/seeing the word apathy when referring to our fans.

 

We will see in due course.

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Whatever!

 

Maybe we'll just have to agree to disagree. I'm fully supportive of any actions to bring shareholders together, but surely it's fair to voice my opinions on the way they go about it. There are presumably thousands of shareholders out there who don't read the Echo (or this site for that matter), those are people who could help this cause so surely efforts should be taken to reach out to them?

 

Once again, I support fully the goals of this group.

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Maybe we'll just have to agree to disagree. I'm fully supportive of any actions to bring shareholders together, but surely it's fair to voice my opinions on the way they go about it. There are presumably thousands of shareholders out there who don't read the Echo (or this site for that matter), those are people who could help this cause so surely efforts should be taken to reach out to them?

 

Once again, I support fully the goals of this group.

 

Sure, but this doesn't look like a big meeting, just an initial toe in the water, I expect the Echo etc will report, and then things will probably move on to bigger more organised structured meetings. Or not.

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Hmm the accessible LSE one only shows major shareholders and I bet SLH don't pass this information out.

 

Just thinking ahead about a (maybe) follow-up meeting and letting people know.....

 

I think if this initiative gets off the ground there will be loads of publicity from here on in.

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On the face of it this meeting looks another unorganised knee jerk reaction event but if enough local shareholders attend it can be useful in devising a strategy similar to the one I posted up last Sunday. I wish them well.

 

As far as the Saints Trust is concerned, yes it is disappointing that they do not yet appear to have a strategy or vision for the future of our club but if you are not a member, or like me did not renew your membership why do you think you have a right to criticise.

 

One of the reasons the Trust is not working is that it has so few members and many that are seem happy just to leave it to those who give their free time (no they do not get season tickets or other perks from the club).

 

For the Trust to work it has to be representative of the supporter base and it can only do that if it has sufficient members. If you want to be critical, join and make your voice heard. Get involved. Use some of that undoubted skill by volunteering your assistance.

 

 

Sorry Ron, it will probably be just another gabfest. Lowe and Wilde hold sway over too many share for anyone to do anything about it with first buying one of them out. We know that, that's why all "takeover" attempt fail.

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Just to clarify...is the 'joining forces' shareholder initiative highlighted on this thread connected in any way to the 'joining forces' initiative that Duncan mentioned previously...i.e. the one where a mobilisation website is being prepared? Or are they completely separate?

 

cheers

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Hmm the accessible LSE one only shows major shareholders and I bet SLH don't pass this information out.

 

Just thinking ahead about a (maybe) follow-up meeting and letting people know.....

 

Shame they weren't in the same Digby wallet as the players wages that someone 'left on a train' (he said metaphorically)

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Just to clarify...is the 'joining forces' shareholder initiative highlighted on this thread connected in any way to the 'joining forces' initiative that Duncan mentioned previously...i.e. the one where a mobilisation website is being prepared? Or are they completely separate?

 

cheers

 

Then the two groups have a common purpose, if not a common method, that could move both inititiaves in the right direction.

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Shame they weren't in the same Digby wallet as the players wages that someone 'left on a train' (he said metaphorically)

 

As I said the other day, it's a pool of thick treacle covered by a mirror.

 

Remember when someone sold (or bought) 550,000 shares back in 2007?(thought to be Tom Scott) Lee Hoos (or whoever )had to initiate an enquiry into it to see who sold what and to whom Mike Withers disposed of 125K shares a while back, no-one ever mentioned it anywhere.Singh sold a hatful, no-one knows where they went. It's so obscure..

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Hence the valiant attempt to pool more shares together per chance...?

 

Valiant indeed. In a Light Brigade sort of way. But people being people, they will need more than 7000 shares to rally around. Most people here could buy that many out of their current account today. What any move would need to succeed would be for a MAJOR player, let's say Leon for example, to set up something like this and see what can rally around him from there.

 

This noble effort is doomed imho but I wish them all well.

 

What is required is more planning by some big players. But I suspect they have done their thinking and counting and realise they cannot touch the status quo right now. And this club has been blighted too long by 'gesture politics' and a complete lack of substance.

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Two guys with 7000 shares between them. Can't see Rupert being blown of course by that. :(

 

No, but he sure would be if it gets off the ground. There are at least 50% of shares not controlled by the Lowe axis. If Crouch/Corbett etc get involved, three months from now he could be in big trouble.

 

An additional appeal could be to anti Lowe non shareholders to buy shares. If an association brought all the anti Lowe shares into a voting block it would cause the board big problems.

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Valiant indeed. In a Light Brigade sort of way. But people being people, they will need more than 7000 shares to rally around. Most people here could buy that many out of their current account today. What any move would need to succeed would be for a MAJOR player, let's say Leon for example, to set up something like this and see what can rally around him from there.

 

This noble effort is doomed imho but I wish them all well.

 

What is required is more planning by some big players. But I suspect they have done their thinking and counting and realise they cannot touch the status quo right now. And this club has been blighted too long by 'gesture politics' and a complete lack of substance.

 

 

 

7000,? you need to get to around 7 million to make it even worth

the bus fare to the DeVere, let alone buy a pint.

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The article appeared on page 61 of yesterdays Echo "Supporters to stage second get-together"

 

A group of Saints fans are staging a second get-together in a matter of days with regards to pooling their Southampton Leisure Holdings PLC shares and forming a strong voice to help force change

 

Season ticket holder Mike Fenner, from Droxford, was among the fans who met at Wickham and who are meeting again tomorrow night at the De Vere Hotel in Southampton (7pm)

 

"It would appear that many fans like myself have had enough" said Mr Fenner. "Is Lowe so thick skinned that he does not realise many loyal fans are staying away because of him, which is creating the present financial crisis the club now faces" "Now is the time for us all to unite against the present regime and create a situation where the fans have some say in the running of their once great club"

 

" I do believe that we have not yet reached rock bottom, but if we all act together in a positive way it may not be too late"

 

"There are two of us with 7,000 shares between us and I ask all shareholders to come and meet us at the De Vere" "We have got to do something. If this does not get of the ground then at least we can say we tried to do something" "You have to be positive, you wouldn't try to do these things if you weren't"

 

"I want to get the message out there that we don't have to endure all this on our own, let's join together and fight the cause. It would be fantastic if any ex-players were interested in joining our campain"

 

Anyone interested in finding out more can email mikefenner@saveoursaints

 

I am liking this Mr Fenner. Perhaps a replacement for Mr Illingworth at the Saints Trust?

 

This is a man who has the get up and go, dedication and enthusiasm as well as the intellect to see we need to unite with legends to publicise the need for rapid change. Far better than waiting another bloody week for a meeting.

 

Fenner also seems to be positive and has the sort of wnning mentality that needs to be brought back in to kick those that would roll over to Lowe's next excuse and forgive him...

 

WELL DONE MIKE. I wish you well. Certainly get my support.

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