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Best

(1) Ings is my number one as I feel without him we could of gone down. Love his passion and pace.

(2) Armstrong has been quality and he is involved in a lot of our good moves.

(3) Stephens has come on so much this season and gone are the stupid mistakes he kept making.

Worse

(1) Che Adams doesn’t have it IMHO and is always a yard behind in his pace and thinking. Would do a great job in the championship.

(2) Vestergaard is just a donkey, slow in the thinking department and in the head.

(3) PEH is a waste of a space, slows the game down and he often does the most ridiculous passes to an opponent when he’s not even threatened.

 

 

 

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6 minutes ago, Pilchards said:

PEH is a waste of a space, slows the game down and he often does the most ridiculous passes to an opponent when he’s not even threatened.

Let's not re-write things just because he wants to leave. Statistically he is among the best central midfield ball winners in the Premier League this season and has covered a lot of ground. He also has a high number of forward passes into and in the final third. Yes some of his passing can let him down, but the sheer volume of passes he makes means some of them will go astray. Some people are quick to forget his good passes and focus only on those he messes up.

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1 hour ago, Matthew Le God said:

Let's not re-write things just because he wants to leave. Statistically he is among the best central midfield ball winners in the Premier League this season and has covered a lot of ground. He also has a high number of forward passes into and in the final third. Yes some of his passing can let him down, but the sheer volume of passes he makes means some of them will go astray. Some people are quick to forget his good passes and focus only on those he messes up.

He rarely passes the ball forward. Not in a meaningful way anyway

He is no where near CL quality

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1 minute ago, SaintsFan86 said:

I'm holding off on this until our game tomorrow, Where not mathematically relegating Bournemouth with a win, the goal difference will be there undoing. 

Watford's goal difference probably won't be great after games vs Man City & Arsenal.

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The best , clearly Ings.

The centre half pairing comes into the best category, as does Bertrands form post Leicester. 
 

As for worst, I prefer disappointing.

Gunn has been disappointing , as has the failure of Valery to push on. Boufal always disappoints, so no change there and Vestergaard has been woeful. Adams has shown glimpses, but is in this category . Ditto with Obafemi. 

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20 hours ago, Matthew Le God said:

The stats prove otherwise.

Then the stats are wrong, or if not wrong, misleading at the least.

He is not the sort of central midfield player who drives us forward. When he does misplace a pass, which is far too often for a Premier League player, it usually puts us back under pressure.

I am much happier with our play without him in the team.

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21 hours ago, Batman said:

He rarely passes the ball forward.

 

21 hours ago, Matthew Le God said:

The stats prove otherwise.

 

1 hour ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Then the stats are wrong, or if not wrong, misleading at the least.

He is not the sort of central midfield player who drives us forward. When he does misplace a pass, which is far too often for a Premier League player, it usually puts us back under pressure.

I am much happier with our play without him in the team.

They aren't wrong or misleading. The majority of his passes are forwards. Some Saints fans decide to only focus on the smaller number of backwards/sideways and misplaced passes. The facts are he has a reasonably high pass completion % and a lot of forward passes!

Direction of his passes...

Hojbjerg's is a willing forward passer of the ball

The reds show misplaced passes, which are obviously a higher % in forward passes as they are more difficult to pull off.

 

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29 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

 

 

They aren't wrong or misleading. The majority of his passes are forwards. Some Saints fans decide to only focus on the smaller number of backwards/sideways and misplaced passes. The facts are he has a reasonably high pass completion % and a lot of forward passes!

Direction of his passes...

Hojbjerg's is a willing forward passer of the ball

The reds show misplaced passes, which are obviously a higher % in forward passes as they are more difficult to pull off.

I have no interest in getting into a statistical debate with a freak but this information on its own is absolutely useless. I'd be surprised if there is any central midfielder in Britain who shows the majority of passes backwards. Even the most negative midfielder in the country I would think still shows a majority of forward passes.

The data is only useful in comparison with other players.

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1 minute ago, CB Fry said:

I have no interest in getting into a statistical debate with a freak but this information on its own is absolutely useless. I'd be surprised if there is any central midfielder in Britain who shows the majority of passes backwards. Even the most negative midfielder in the country I would think still shows a majority of forward passes.

The data is only useful in comparison with other players.

Why question me when my post was responding to Batman saying 'He rarely passes the ball forward'. Do you agree Batman's post was nonsense?

 

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Just now, Matthew Le God said:

Why question me when my post was responding to Batman saying 'He rarely passes the ball forward'. Do you agree Batman's post was nonsense?

 

Go and find the stats showing how many central midfielders whose stats show the majority of passes are backwards.

What Batman is talking is comparative.

You showing a chart dealing in absolute numbers is useless. 

Central midfielder mainly kicks forwards. Fuck me, give him the Ballon D'Or already.

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1 hour ago, Matthew Le God said:

 

 

They aren't wrong or misleading. The majority of his passes are forwards. Some Saints fans decide to only focus on the smaller number of backwards/sideways and misplaced passes. The facts are he has a reasonably high pass completion % and a lot of forward passes!

Direction of his passes...

Hojbjerg's is a willing forward passer of the ball

The reds show misplaced passes, which are obviously a higher % in forward passes as they are more difficult to pull off.

 

Forward passes are not of necessity more difficult since the player making the pass is in control of where to hit it and how hard.

Another concern there is the number of backward passes that are misplaced. There does seem to be an awful lot of red in that diagram.

Football isn’t played on spreadsheets and I have seen enough of PEH to know that I would rather not see him in our team again. He slows up the game and gives away possession in dangerous situations.

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3 hours ago, Matthew Le God said:

 

Direction of his passes...

Hojbjerg's is a willing forward passer of the ball

The reds show misplaced passes, which are obviously a higher % in forward passes as they are more difficult to pull off.

 

MLG - do you have a link to the blog or article where you got this info?

I'm inclined to think that Hojbjerg has been part of our problem since Koeman left but it's no good providing stats like these without anything to compare against - such as our own players, or maybe peak Schneiderlin seeing as he is the person who Everton want to replace.

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2 hours ago, Ted Bates Statue said:

MLG - do you have a link to the blog or article where you got this info?

I'm inclined to think that Hojbjerg has been part of our problem since Koeman left but it's no good providing stats like these without anything to compare against - such as our own players, or maybe peak Schneiderlin seeing as he is the person who Everton want to replace.

I've always seen him as part of the problem, Redmond as well, to a certain extent. Both very risk averse players, but at least Redmond has changed it up a little in the last 18 months - but the last few weeks he has reverted to type unfortunately.

Hoj is a safe player, he'd rather keep the ball going backwards than take a risk with an incisive pass. In my eyes he is certainly one of the main reasons, if not the main reason, why we've failed to win games at home over the last 3 years. 

Anyway, for me the best stories from this season -

- Ings

- Armstrong (Really like him)

- JWP (he's come onto a different level IMO)

- Bednerak (one of the better CB's in the league, IMO - partner him with some pace and power and we'll be laughing).

Horror stories -

- Gunn (I thought he'd be a good signing, highly rated - but he's been a disaster)

- Adams (He's got good attributes, but a return of 1 goal isn't really good enough when he scored 22 last year)

- Valery (Hopelessly out of his depth IMO).

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Best,

Ings turning into our own version of Harry Kane

JWP, developing into a centre midfield powerhouse

Stephens, showing defensive solidity to go along with his fine ball playing skills

Worse

Gunn, ignoring the atrocious howler moments,  just seemed a case of shots on target too often just going in.

Danso, at least he was only a loan

Valery, after a great breakthrough season this season he seems to be drained of confidence. Hopefully he can bounce back from this set back.

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4 hours ago, Baird of the land said:

Best,

Ings turning into our own version of Harry Kane

JWP, developing into a centre midfield powerhouse

Stephens, showing defensive solidity to go along with his fine ball playing skills

Worse

Gunn, ignoring the atrocious howler moments,  just seemed a case of shots on target too often just going in.

Danso, at least he was only a loan

Valery, after a great breakthrough season this season he seems to be drained of confidence. Hopefully he can bounce back from this set back.

What moments were these? Yes there was the 9-0, but not much he could do with many of the goals with the defending in front of him. Hes only 24 and the much more experienced McCarthy has had his fair share of howler moments too. 

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6 minutes ago, woodsaint1 said:

What moments were these? Yes there was the 9-0, but not much he could do with many of the goals with the defending in front of him. Hes only 24 and the much more experienced McCarthy has had his fair share of howler moments too. 

Bournemouth at home, funnily enough.

Last kick of the game, he decides to confuse Bednarek and lets Wilson score in an open goal.

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6 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

Bournemouth at home, funnily enough.

Last kick of the game, he decides to confuse Bednarek and lets Wilson score in an open goal.

all GK's will make a mistake throughout the season....more than 3 or 4 is a reason to get worried..

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There was an article in the Athletic about PEH and why clubs want him, basically he is a complete midfielder and is at a good age, there are certainly issues in his game, but he rates very highly for interceptions, tackles, ground covered, ball progression but still decently in other areas and is described as an all rounder. This offers something that neither Everton or Spurs possess at the moment. He is also apparently very tactically aware on the pitch and is good at making sure the manager's instructions are carried out on the pitch. 

I think he is under rated by many fans, but is probably one of those players that is well rated by managers. 

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