East Kent Saint Posted 13 July, 2020 Share Posted 13 July, 2020 Difficult to believe they got away with a small fine . UEFA , where do they go from here ? All those massive payments to have your name attached to ManC were just fine ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 13 July, 2020 Share Posted 13 July, 2020 (edited) FFP is a sham anyway, its the elite 'old money' clubs that pushed UEFA to come up with it so Man City's and PSGs can't do what they do and no new ones appear. The whole game revolves around money, you flash your cash and wages and players come running, the clubs with the most, most of the time, buy the titles and trophies, and if a smaller club does well, they pick them apart. Until they get actually spending caps in I don't really see why it matters if Man City's transfers/Wages come from a rich investor, whilst Man Utds/Liverpools come from plastic fans all over the world, whilst Barcelonas and Real Madrids comes from hogging the TV money, whilst Bayerns comes from just raiding all their rivals so no one can compete with them, so they earn more and more money. Which is the problem with most European leagues, they same people win it over and over, and they get all the money, champs league, prize money sponsorship etc. etc. so can afford the best players, and then do it over and over again in a constant circle, buy the title, get more money to buy the title again. Most leagues in Europe have basically the same clubs over and over winning the league, and aside PSG, most of those clubs are not financed buy big money investors they just got success and that then steamrolls their income to allow easy mode more success and for them to financially bully most of their rivals. Edited 13 July, 2020 by tajjuk 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 14 July, 2020 Share Posted 14 July, 2020 FFP is good for the financial stability of clubs but ruins any chance of a fair level playing field by doing so. Everton have tried to get to that next level the best they could, but believe they have now pretty much reached their FFP cap (before covid) already. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooney Posted 14 July, 2020 Share Posted 14 July, 2020 12 hours ago, East Kent Saint said: Difficult to believe they got away with a small fine . UEFA , where do they go from here ? All those massive payments to have your name attached to ManC were just fine ! Has anybody seen any brown envelopes around? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 14 July, 2020 Share Posted 14 July, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, skintsaint said: FFP is good for the financial stability of clubs but ruins any chance of a fair level playing field by doing so. Everton have tried to get to that next level the best they could, but believe they have now pretty much reached their FFP cap (before covid) already. And whilst they have maybe not used it wisely that is the problem, they have to be near perfect in their recruitment to compete, meanwhile someone like Man Utd can afford to pay Sanchez 500k a week or whatever and he's not even playing for them or Real Madrid can have Gareth Bale on the bench getting paid £600k a week. An amount of money probably half our first 11 aren't even on combined. The big clubs can have plenty of transfer flops and it not really matter to them, they just go out and buy someone else. Whilst yes ideally you don't want any Portsmouths, at the same time how are smaller clubs ever going to compete if they can't get outside investment? Edited 14 July, 2020 by tajjuk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Kent Saint Posted 14 July, 2020 Author Share Posted 14 July, 2020 Problem for me is the findings were that , yes ManC did pump money into the club via sponsorship by firms that were part of ManC owners . Then ManC were quilty of obstructing the investigation and being uncooperative but it was 5 years ago so now doesn’t count ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Kent Saint Posted 14 July, 2020 Author Share Posted 14 July, 2020 (edited) Today they are saying they have made £150 Million for transfers ...... Pep thinks ManC deserve an apology now ! What planet is he on ? If it were Saints we would be banned and relegated and fined at least. Edited 14 July, 2020 by East Kent Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 15 July, 2020 Share Posted 15 July, 2020 I fully support any action that harms FFP. The system does the exact opposite of enforcing fair play, Another article in the mail on it today. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8523111/MARTIN-SAMUEL-Hateful-eight-step-war-against-Manchester-City-FFP-saga.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 15 July, 2020 Share Posted 15 July, 2020 2 hours ago, Saint86 said: I fully support any action that harms FFP. The system does the exact opposite of enforcing fair play, Another article in the mail on it today. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8523111/MARTIN-SAMUEL-Hateful-eight-step-war-against-Manchester-City-FFP-saga.html Burnley are a 'leading Premier League club' ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 15 July, 2020 Share Posted 15 July, 2020 13 minutes ago, badgerx16 said: Burnley are a 'leading Premier League club' ? seeing as they are pushing for Europe, I would suggest they are at the moment given we are apparently a 'top top club' now...they would be in the 'top top top club' bracket Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Jonny Posted 15 July, 2020 Share Posted 15 July, 2020 Never thought I would come around to the idea of an NFL style player draft but.. Yea. That will never happen either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 15 July, 2020 Share Posted 15 July, 2020 If they want fair play then introduce a salary cap and a transfer fee limit. But they don’t want fair play, they just don’t want the embarrassment of insolvencies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 15 July, 2020 Share Posted 15 July, 2020 I couldn't care less about Man City, makes no difference if the money comes from oil or flogging cheap shirts in Asia. As long are clubs are protected from being saddled with too much debt I don't see the problem. Plus, I can't stand Leicester so it will be piss funny if they miss out on CL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 15 July, 2020 Share Posted 15 July, 2020 3 minutes ago, aintforever said: I couldn't care less about Man City, makes no difference if the money comes from oil or flogging cheap shirts in Asia. As long are clubs are protected from being saddled with too much debt I don't see the problem. Plus, I can't stand Leicester so it will be piss funny if they miss out on CL. Agreed. Of the current top 4, man city are my preferred team - but that's not saying much 😆 Have a lot of respect for Ole's United revolution so will be the two manchester clubs by the end of the season i suspect. As for the rest of the established clubs... Really can't stand Leicester, everton, Liverpool or chelsea. Arsenal and tottenham are a bit meh. Hopefully are free to air performances have been improving our "2nd club" popularity and will lead to more TV money / merchandising next year etc. FFP is responsible for our best team in 30 years being dismantled and clubs like United, Liverpool and Tottenham being able to poach are players at leisure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Kent Saint Posted 29 July, 2020 Author Share Posted 29 July, 2020 So the judgement by CAS was that because it happened 5 years ago it didn't count anymore ? Plus MC were uncooperative and obstructive to the investigation plus they nominated a member of the panel with connections to the clubs owners AND suggested a Chairman for the CAS "independant tribunal" Guilty or what ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cartman Posted 29 July, 2020 Share Posted 29 July, 2020 58 minutes ago, East Kent Saint said: So the judgement by CAS was that because it happened 5 years ago it didn't count anymore ? Plus MC were uncooperative and obstructive to the investigation plus they nominated a member of the panel with connections to the clubs owners AND suggested a Chairman for the CAS "independant tribunal" Guilty or what ! The rules themselves are a result of corruption, brought in due to lobbying from the elite club cartel seeking to protect their positions at the top of the food chain. Any attempt to undermine FFP is fine with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 30 July, 2020 Share Posted 30 July, 2020 11 hours ago, Cartman said: The rules themselves are a result of corruption, brought in due to lobbying from the elite club cartel seeking to protect their positions at the top of the food chain. Any attempt to undermine FFP is fine with me. Like was said by one of the better Journos at the time of FFP being switched on - whilst being good in parts basically FFP is kicking the ladder away for teams looking to break into the top group of teams. Blackburn came close with Jack Walkers money, which is where the question was spawned, Man City are the only team to have pulled that rabbit out of the hat since Blackburn but as we have seen in this carry on they have had to apply some financial chicanery. Leicester winning the league wasn’t done with money it was just a freak of nature, but look at all the “big” clubs who swooped in to pick them apart of players afterwards. It’s interesting, reading some of the Hagiology books, Saints could have been an established as footballing power house, trouble was the geography of Football. We were capable of mixing it in the top flight of English football years ago while Football was still in its infancy. What would have killed us was the traveling to play in away games, top flight football was centered around the Midlands and the North the travel expenses to play away in these places would have crippled and broken Saints finances of the time. Certainly would have been interesting to see what might have been if we had the wherewithal way back then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 30 July, 2020 Share Posted 30 July, 2020 I’d prefer something better than Ffp but it’s better than a free for all. can’t stand city, hope they never win their craved champions league. glad to see newcastle’s Endless pot of Saudi money take over seems to be off, saves us from another city repeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Kent Saint Posted 30 July, 2020 Author Share Posted 30 July, 2020 City's responce was full on "we didn't do anything" even Pep made a short "We are innocent " statement although City are full on everyone is wonderful now it's all over . So as we suspected if you have money the law dosn't apply to you or at least you can get away with your actions. Failing that Trump will let you out of Jail !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Kent Saint Posted 31 July, 2020 Author Share Posted 31 July, 2020 More damming emails, Oh well ,it would be good to see an overhaul of ffp but the football authorities seem to have little sway over the clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimatt Posted 1 August, 2020 Share Posted 1 August, 2020 It will need all the big clubs to create their own super league to then allow a salary cap domestic league. I wouldn't rule it out one day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 1 August, 2020 Share Posted 1 August, 2020 I keep waiting for the bubble t8 burst and a little bit of sanity applied to wages and transfer fees. Though keep think that with house prices and never happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 8 August, 2020 Share Posted 8 August, 2020 https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/53698778 Even Wolves have fallen foul of the rules...good punishment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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