Shroppie Posted 26 June, 2020 Share Posted 26 June, 2020 (edited) Definitely time for a blue line under that car crash. No time to dwell on it. Watford won't be easy. Vestergaard will have to come in for Stephens although for me that would have been a possible move anyway. I'd avoid a kneejerk reaction with McCarthy and give him a chance to redeem himself. Playing in that heat will have taken a lot out of players. Can see Smallbone, Romeu, Adams, all getting game time. Keep KWP. He was less bad than Valery. McCarthy KWP, Vestergaard, Bednarek, Bertrand JWP Romeu Redmond Armstrong Adams Long Ings, Obafemi, Smallbone, Hojbjerg, Gunn, Boufal if fit, Ramsey, Vokins, Tella Edited 26 June, 2020 by Shroppie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 26 June, 2020 Share Posted 26 June, 2020 I fear we may be disappointed again. Troy Deeney outmuscling us. Us being lethargic and complacent (nothing much to play for disease even though not yet safe). Them being up for it. Still, we're better when we are not at our cursed home Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 26 June, 2020 Share Posted 26 June, 2020 1 hour ago, Shroppie said: Definitely time for a blue line under that car crash. No time to dwell on it. Watford won't be easy. Vestergaard will have to come in for Stephens although for me that would have been a possible move anyway. I'd avoid a kneejerk reaction with McCarthy and give him a chance to redeem himself. Playing in that heat will have taken a lot out of players. Can see Smallbone, Romeu, Adams, all getting game time. Keep KWP. He was less bad than Valery. McCarthy KWP, Vestergaard, Bednarek, Bertrand JWP Romeu Redmond Armstrong Adams Long Ings, Obafemi, Smallbone, Hojbjerg, Gunn, Boufal if fit, Ramsey, I suppose it'll have to be Vokins, Tella I'm inclined to agree with that starting 11, even though it'll obviously rankle with the "Why on Earth would you want to rest Ings?" brigade... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 26 June, 2020 Share Posted 26 June, 2020 I know we need to rotate the squad in such a cramped schedule but why Ings and why Watford? We’ve got Man City at home next, which is a game they just won’t turn up for anyway. I’d play our strongest XI, with Smallbone in for Hoj and give the catering/media departments a run out against City. Plus Sunday should be cooler anyway. McC KWP - Vest - Bednarek - Bertrand Smallbone - JWP Redmond - Armstrong Ings - Adams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 26 June, 2020 Author Share Posted 26 June, 2020 Just noticed I said "I suppose it'll have to be Vokins" Apologies to Mr Vokins. It was originally "I suppose it'll have to be Valery" before I realised it didn't have to be. Changed the name but forgot to delete the rest. ☹️😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 26 June, 2020 Share Posted 26 June, 2020 Hopefully, the continued terrible performaces of Valery has consigned him to the bench and we will certainly bring in a starting level RB. Hopefully KwP is that man. Can't see us winning, they are a shit-house side who will bully us into defeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 26 June, 2020 Author Share Posted 26 June, 2020 27 minutes ago, Batman said: Hopefully, the continued terrible performaces of Valery has consigned him to the bench and we will certainly bring in a starting level RB. Hopefully KwP is that man. Can't see us winning, they are a shit-house side who will bully us into defeat. Unfortunately this is very true. I hate their football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igsey Posted 26 June, 2020 Share Posted 26 June, 2020 Apparently Hojbjerg is injured (more likely "injured") so hopefully Smallbone will come in and perform well. Watched the highlights of Watford v Burnley, Watford are dreadful. Chance to get some points out of this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellman Posted 26 June, 2020 Share Posted 26 June, 2020 The idea of Vest against Deeny scares me and I guess it scares him as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 26 June, 2020 Share Posted 26 June, 2020 6 hours ago, Shroppie said: Definitely time for a blue line under that car crash. No time to dwell on it. Watford won't be easy. Vestergaard will have to come in for Stephens although for me that would have been a possible move anyway. I'd avoid a kneejerk reaction with McCarthy and give him a chance to redeem himself. Playing in that heat will have taken a lot out of players. Can see Smallbone, Romeu, Adams, all getting game time. Keep KWP. He was less bad than Valery. McCarthy KWP, Vestergaard, Bednarek, Bertrand JWP Romeu Redmond Armstrong Adams Long Ings, Obafemi, Smallbone, Hojbjerg, Gunn, Boufal if fit, Ramsey, Vokins, Tella Why drop Ings, who is constantly our most dangerous, successful and all round performer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint97 Posted 26 June, 2020 Share Posted 26 June, 2020 McCarthy Walker-Peters, Vestergaard, Bednarek, Bertrand JWP Romeu Stu Redmond Ings Adams Pretty sure it'll be Smallbone and Long over Adams and Romeu but that's^ what I'd like to see. Not sure why we'd rest Ings like some are suggesting. Watford were terrible against Burnley but think this'll be a score draw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 26 June, 2020 Author Share Posted 26 June, 2020 3 hours ago, eelpie said: Why drop Ings, who is constantly our most dangerous, successful and all round performer? Can he cope with two games in 4 days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gammon cheeks Posted 26 June, 2020 Share Posted 26 June, 2020 like to see Che Adams given a run to end of season ........otherwise what is the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archers Road Stand Posted 26 June, 2020 Share Posted 26 June, 2020 2-0 defeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 27 June, 2020 Share Posted 27 June, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, gammon cheeks said: like to see Che Adams given a run to end of season ........otherwise what is the point. There isn't a point. We got scammed by Birmingham. Unfortunately he's done nothing to show he deserves a spot in the side, and nothing to show he deserves to be a professional footballer either. However, if he does play lucky there isn't a live crowd in because the boos would be unnecessary. Yes he's one of the worst players we've ever had but that doesn't mean he deserves the abuse. Get behind the lads no matter their level. We'll lose this 1 or 2 nil. Edited 27 June, 2020 by niceandfriendly 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 27 June, 2020 Share Posted 27 June, 2020 2 hours ago, niceandfriendly said: There isn't a point. We got scammed by Birmingham. Unfortunately he's done nothing to show he deserves a spot in the side, and nothing to show he deserves to be a professional footballer either. However, if he does play lucky there isn't a live crowd in because the boos would be unnecessary. Yes he's one of the worst players we've ever had but that doesn't mean he deserves the abuse. Get behind the lads no matter their level. We'll lose this 1 or 2 nil. You're insane to think he's one of the worst players we have ever had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Tony Posted 27 June, 2020 Share Posted 27 June, 2020 Watford have only won 4 home games, yet every time any team goes there they are going to get 'out muscled by Deeney' and lose. Pressure all on Watford here, expect Ings to score a few, Watford 1-3 Saints Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 27 June, 2020 Author Share Posted 27 June, 2020 4 hours ago, niceandfriendly said: There isn't a point. We got scammed by Birmingham. Unfortunately he's done nothing to show he deserves a spot in the side, and nothing to show he deserves to be a professional footballer either. However, if he does play lucky there isn't a live crowd in because the boos would be unnecessary. Yes he's one of the worst players we've ever had but that doesn't mean he deserves the abuse. Get behind the lads no matter their level. We'll lose this 1 or 2 nil. Ridiculous 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 27 June, 2020 Share Posted 27 June, 2020 The worry I have with Che is that he's never really impacted a game, never really looked like scoring, never really looked like a threat. I turn to the bench and look at Long before I look at Che and that says a lot, I think the manager is the same. Long is another non-goal scoring striker, but he at least impacts games and looks a threat. Not sure what Che offers to be honest, what he does, what attributes he has. Is he quick? Not that quick. Is he strong? So, so, nothing special. Fair enough, he hasn't played much, but he has not taken any of the chances he's been given to impose himself on any game - and I'm guessing the same goes in training. Up there with Carrillo for me! We spent over £30m on two supposed centre forwards who don't actually look like centre forwards or score goals. That's why we've not got any bloody money to play with, and now we're lumbered with them! We're feeling the pain of yet another Ross Wilson failed transfer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 27 June, 2020 Share Posted 27 June, 2020 McCarthy Walker-Peters, Vestergaard, Bednarek, Bertrand JWP Romeu Armstrong Redmond Ings Long Look to put out strong teams for the games where points are likely, rotate and rest for Citeh and ManUre. Even if Ings can only manage 60 minutes before Adams replaces him that is surely better than starting with Adams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 27 June, 2020 Share Posted 27 June, 2020 2 hours ago, Saint_Tony said: Watford have only won 4 home games, yet every time any team goes there they are going to get 'out muscled by Deeney' and lose. Pressure all on Watford here, expect Ings to score a few, Watford 1-3 Saints One was against Liverpool though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 27 June, 2020 Share Posted 27 June, 2020 49 minutes ago, S-Clarke said: The worry I have with Che is that he's never really impacted a game, never really looked like scoring, never really looked like a threat. I turn to the bench and look at Long before I look at Che and that says a lot, I think the manager is the same. Long is another non-goal scoring striker, but he at least impacts games and looks a threat. Not sure what Che offers to be honest, what he does, what attributes he has. Is he quick? Not that quick. Is he strong? So, so, nothing special. Fair enough, he hasn't played much, but he has not taken any of the chances he's been given to impose himself on any game - and I'm guessing the same goes in training. Up there with Carrillo for me! We spent over £30m on two supposed centre forwards who don't actually look like centre forwards or score goals. That's why we've not got any bloody money to play with, and now we're lumbered with them! We're feeling the pain of yet another Ross Wilson failed transfer. Yep agree but equally if he did end up at Everton and played well then we would have rued the missed opportunity. I think it was a punt worth taking for a Championship player who scored around 20 goals I think and he still has time on his side. I honestly think his confidence is just shot but once he gets that first goal he’ll have a huge weight off his shoulder. I’d start him with Ings on Saturday but ultimately none of us see what he’s like on training or his fitness after the 3 month holiday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 27 June, 2020 Share Posted 27 June, 2020 I often wonder if Adams had have scored against Sheffield Utd earlier in the season if things would have turned out differently. He played well that day and was denied by a wonder save. He then played in our total humiliation of the skates but was poor, and we haven’t really seen him since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 27 June, 2020 Share Posted 27 June, 2020 14 hours ago, gammon cheeks said: like to see Che Adams given a run to end of season ........otherwise what is the point. Let's get to 40 points first, or when we're winning a match by a couple of goals. I'd like to see more of him too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 27 June, 2020 Share Posted 27 June, 2020 48 minutes ago, eelpie said: Let's get to 40 points first, or when we're winning a match by a couple of goals. I'd like to see more of him too. We won’t need anything like 40 points to stay up this season. 33/34 will be the cutoff. 4 awful teams are not going to 10 points more than us in 7 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 27 June, 2020 Share Posted 27 June, 2020 1 hour ago, Lighthouse said: We won’t need anything like 40 points to stay up this season. 33/34 will be the cutoff. 4 awful teams are not going to 10 points more than us in 7 games. Quite, but I don't wish to end the season on a frustration 37 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 27 June, 2020 Share Posted 27 June, 2020 1 minute ago, eelpie said: Quite, but I don't wish to end the season on a frustration 37 points. I’m not sure why you think we’d lose our last 8 games. We’re not that bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 27 June, 2020 Share Posted 27 June, 2020 Not confident. Looks like watford rested players for this one. At least we are away. I'd be tempted to start Adams and put Ings on the bench. No point running him into the ground Freshening up the midfield after last game probably important. Romeu's physical presence might be a good idea against Doucorre. Hojberg was very poor too. If boufal's available i'd probably start him too and use Armstrong off the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Posted 27 June, 2020 Share Posted 27 June, 2020 6 hours ago, S-Clarke said: The worry I have with Che is that he's never really impacted a game, never really looked like scoring, never really looked like a threat. I turn to the bench and look at Long before I look at Che and that says a lot, I think the manager is the same. Long is another non-goal scoring striker, but he at least impacts games and looks a threat. Not sure what Che offers to be honest, what he does, what attributes he has. Is he quick? Not that quick. Is he strong? So, so, nothing special. Fair enough, he hasn't played much, but he has not taken any of the chances he's been given to impose himself on any game - and I'm guessing the same goes in training. Up there with Carrillo for me! We spent over £30m on two supposed centre forwards who don't actually look like centre forwards or score goals. That's why we've not got any bloody money to play with, and now we're lumbered with them! We're feeling the pain of yet another Ross Wilson failed transfer. Why then did he block the £20M Jan offer by Leeds? That would have enabled us to get a half decent emerging player from Europe - assuming we can still spot emerging potential that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 27 June, 2020 Share Posted 27 June, 2020 18 minutes ago, Red said: Why then did he block the £20M Jan offer by Leeds? That would have enabled us to get a half decent emerging player from Europe - assuming we can still spot emerging potential that is. Probably for the same reason Leeds were offering 20m for adams, that it would have cost a fortune in January to get replacement and if we lost a striker to injury we'd left with no options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 27 June, 2020 Share Posted 27 June, 2020 21 minutes ago, Red said: Why then did he block the £20M Jan offer by Leeds? That would have enabled us to get a half decent emerging player from Europe - assuming we can still spot emerging potential that is. I think that’s a lot easier said than done in January and the chances are you’ll just end up with another Carrillo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 28 June, 2020 Share Posted 28 June, 2020 14 hours ago, Red said: Why then did he block the £20M Jan offer by Leeds? That would have enabled us to get a half decent emerging player from Europe - assuming we can still spot emerging potential that is. He didn't go because the guy we wanted on loan from Arsenal stayed there in the end. I wasn't given a name but pretty sure it was Nketiah. My guess is that when/if we get another win, he'll get a run of games to either prove himself or put himself in the shop window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 28 June, 2020 Share Posted 28 June, 2020 Remind me, what’s the score with Djenepo? He’s in isolation, right? Is he likely to be available before the end of the season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 28 June, 2020 Share Posted 28 June, 2020 13 minutes ago, Greenridge said: Remind me, what’s the score with Djenepo? He’s in isolation, right? Is he likely to be available before the end of the season? He is not in isolation. He was sent off vs Newcastle and his 3 match ban covers the Norwich, Arsenal and Watford games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkswood Posted 28 June, 2020 Share Posted 28 June, 2020 (edited) On 6/27/2020 at 4:06 AM, niceandfriendly said: There isn't a point. We got scammed by Birmingham. Unfortunately he's done nothing to show he deserves a spot in the side, and nothing to show he deserves to be a professional footballer either. However, if he does play lucky there isn't a live crowd in because the boos would be unnecessary. Yes he's one of the worst players we've ever had but that doesn't mean he deserves the abuse. Get behind the lads no matter their level. We'll lose this 1 or 2 nil. I know football is a lot about opinions and perspectives but I really disagree with this. I feel had that shot against sheff utd earlier in the season gone in it would have made a massive difference. Also I feel he has more to his game than long and especially Obefemi. I still really believe that he'll come good if given the opportunity. Btw, think we're gonna get bullied out of this today. 0 -3 Edited 28 June, 2020 by Hawkswood Forgot to add something 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 28 June, 2020 Share Posted 28 June, 2020 Hopefully Pierre is fit. I’d start Long for Obafemi and KWP for Valery, Vestergaard for Stephens, if no Pierre, then Romeu next to JWP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggie May Posted 28 June, 2020 Share Posted 28 June, 2020 4-1 Watford Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 28 June, 2020 Share Posted 28 June, 2020 I'd be hooking McCarthy for that shocking performance. No reason not to - Gunn lost his place for a similarly crap performance. When you are borderline good enough for the Prem you can''t throw complacency in the mix and get away with it. Same reason Hoj gets dropped. Bring in Romeu, or Smallbone if we think he can handle a physical game. Ings and Long up top obviously. A run for Adams against Man City. Scoring against them will do wonders for his confidence. KWP in for Valery is a no brainer, as is Vest for the suspended Stephens. Tight one, we are the better side (when we don't dick around) Watford 1-2 Saints if the right side gets picked and they get at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 28 June, 2020 Share Posted 28 June, 2020 Forced to change the team today but I still think we can get a point against team fighting for their lives. McCarthy (yes stick with him for now) KWP, Bednarek, Vestergaard, Bertrand JWP, Smallbone Armstrong, Redmond Long, Ings. Going for a hard fought 2 all though we do have the attack to win, I think our defence may mean we have to out-score them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpsaint Posted 28 June, 2020 Share Posted 28 June, 2020 3-1 Watford for me. Our comedy defence will collapse against a team with more fight then any of the other teams at the bottom. id say bring in Gunn in an attempt to make McCarthy buck up his ideas but he’s just as bad so won’t achieve much. How I’d love for Adams to get a proper run out and break his duck. Gotta be a better choice than Obafemi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintquin Posted 28 June, 2020 Share Posted 28 June, 2020 Hope our good away form continues. Would be nice to finish above the drop zone by more than a couple wins worth of points! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefoggy Posted 28 June, 2020 Share Posted 28 June, 2020 Surely the keeper has to be dropped after the last performance? I am worried about this one, I can see Deeney bullying our powderpuff defence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 28 June, 2020 Share Posted 28 June, 2020 1 minute ago, davefoggy said: Surely the keeper has to be dropped after the last performance? I am worried about this one, I can see Deeney bullying our powderpuff defence I hope not. No keeper should be dropped for one poor performance and its a good opportunity for him to bounce back quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gammon cheeks Posted 28 June, 2020 Share Posted 28 June, 2020 Watford 0 Saints 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 28 June, 2020 Share Posted 28 June, 2020 Wonder if Romeu might be a better replacement for PEH than Smallbone, considering how physical Watford are? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redder freak Posted 28 June, 2020 Share Posted 28 June, 2020 30 minutes ago, for_heaven's_Saint said: Wonder if Romeu might be a better replacement for PEH than Smallbone, considering how physical Watford are? I agree with this. Stick with the old pros for this one, otherwise the bullying defeat predictions will come true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted 28 June, 2020 Share Posted 28 June, 2020 On 6/26/2020 at 4:50 AM, Lighthouse said: I know we need to rotate the squad in such a cramped schedule but why Ings and why Watford? We’ve got Man City at home next, which is a game they just won’t turn up for anyway. I’d play our strongest XI, with Smallbone in for Hoj and give the catering/media departments a run out against City. Plus Sunday should be cooler anyway. McC KWP - Vest - Bednarek - Bertrand Smallbone - JWP Redmond - Armstrong Ings - Adams I agree with this. We need points, and this is a much better opportunity that ManC or the rest. Play the best we have as long as they can go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obelisk Posted 28 June, 2020 Share Posted 28 June, 2020 Feeling pessimistic about this one. Watford to come out of the blocks fast with a lot of pressure and get an early goal. Saints then with plenty of tippy-tappy possession offering little idea up front. Watford break late on from a Saints corner and put the seal on a 2-0 win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Shroppie Posted 28 June, 2020 Author Share Posted 28 June, 2020 (edited) Romeu, Vestergaard, Smallbone and KWP in for Stephens, Hojbjerg, Armstrong and Valery Very inexperienced bench! Edited 28 June, 2020 by Shroppie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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