The BBC Thread

[Lighthouse]

1 hour ago, sadoldgit said:

You said he was smug and self satisfied. I was merely pointing out that he may well be entitled to be so given his successful careers in two very different fields.

I have just seen two woman mentioned as possible replacements. That will ruffle a few feathers.

Nothing entitles you to be smug and arrogant, no matter how good you were at something in life. It certainly doesn't give you license to be condescending on issue which have nothing to do with your personal expertise. I would apply that broadly across the board, whether it's people like Tiss talking about vaccines or people like Lineker talking about environmental issues. By all means have an opinion but when you start telling other people that their lives are a sacrifice you're willing to make for the greater good, you start to sound like Lord Farquad in Shrek.

[Whitey Grandad]

2 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

Nothing entitles you to be smug and arrogant, no matter how good you were at something in life. It certainly doesn't give you license to be condescending on issue which have nothing to do with your personal expertise. I would apply that broadly across the board, whether it's people like Tiss talking about vaccines or people like Lineker talking about environmental issues. By all means have an opinion but when you start telling other people that their lives are a sacrifice you're willing to make for the greater good, you start to sound like Lord Farquad in Shrek.

“…there’s nothing so becomes a man as modest stillness and humility…”

[skintsaint]

3 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

I have just seen two woman mentioned as possible replacements.

Logan would be a decent replacement.

[hypochondriac]

22 minutes ago, skintsaint said:

Logan would be a decent replacement.

I'd support that to be honest. 

[whelk]

Shoudl be Chapman but will be Kelly Somers 

[The Kraken]

1 hour ago, whelk said:

Shoudl be Chapman but will be Kelly Somers 

I never used to like Chappers at all. But he’s actually pretty decent.  Him or super Gabby for me, Clive.

[Weston Super Saint]

Is the BBC just unlucky and attracts more than its fair share or wrong'uns?

Or, is there a culture whereby executives couldn't give a shit about behaviour in favour of ratings?

It appears they were warned about Gregg Wallace in 2017 and again in 2022 but didn't do anything about it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0k8kryvdjno

[Turkish]

39 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Is the BBC just unlucky and attracts more than its fair share or wrong'uns?

Or, is there a culture whereby executives couldn't give a shit about behaviour in favour of ratings?

It appears they were warned about Gregg Wallace in 2017 and again in 2022 but didn't do anything about it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0k8kryvdjno

Ive never liked him I think he a massive bellend and have often wondered how he’s had such a successful career for seemingly j nothing other than having a stupid grin and talking VERY LOUDLY but having read some of the allegations they do seem a bit odd. For example the women who went back to his room then complained she felt uncomfortable being in his room. Some of the stuff is just a bit lame, like asking a lesbian is she sure she didn’t want to date men and another if her new boyfriend had a nice bum, someone complaining he stared at her chest 14 years ago. It seems like it’s the BBC trying to get rid of him, which won’t be a bad thing but dragging someone through the mill rather than just them off is a bit of a shitty thing to do. 

Edited 1 December, 2024 by Turkish

[egg]

39 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Is the BBC just unlucky and attracts more than its fair share or wrong'uns?

Or, is there a culture whereby executives couldn't give a shit about behaviour in favour of ratings?

It appears they were warned about Gregg Wallace in 2017 and again in 2022 but didn't do anything about it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0k8kryvdjno

 

Just now, Turkish said:

Ive never liked him I think he a massive bellend and have often wondered how he’s had such a successful career for seemingly having a stupid grin and talking VERY LOUDLY but having read some of the allegations they do seem a bit odd. For example the women who went back to his room then complained she felt uncomfortable being in his room. Some of the stuff is just a bit lame, like asking a lesbian is she sure she didn’t want to date men and another if her new boyfriend had a nice bum, someone complaining he stared at her chest 14 years ago. It seems like it’s the BBC trying to get rid of him, which won’t be a bad thing but dragging someone through the mill rather than just them off is a bit of a shitty thing to do. 

I'm mostly with Turkish on this. I don't like the fella, and the stuff from a while ago  about him not prioritising his kid, and the other stuff in that interview tells me he's a bit odd. It feels like they want him gone, and I wonder how many allegations are from people coming forward or people contacted as part of an investigation. Regardless, the allegations highlight that he's a bit odd, and that his boundaries of what's appropriate to say aren't where they should be. 

[badgerx16]

44 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Is the BBC just unlucky and attracts more than its fair share or wrong'uns?

Or, is there a culture whereby executives couldn't give a shit about behaviour in favour of ratings?

It appears they were warned about Gregg Wallace in 2017 and again in 2022 but didn't do anything about it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0k8kryvdjno

He says that he asked questions of lesbian women because he was trying to work out what they did in bed. Any 14 year old boy could have shown him how to access Pornhub, where he might find a plethora of educational videos.

[whelk]

14 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

He says that he asked questions of lesbian women because he was trying to work out what they did in bed. Any 14 year old boy could have shown him how to access Pornhub, where he might find a plethora of educational videos.

Interesting. Are you saying there are pictures and movies of lesbians on the internet?

[whelk]

24 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Ive never liked him I think he a massive bellend and have often wondered how he’s had such a successful career for seemingly j nothing other than having a stupid grin and talking VERY LOUDLY but having read some of the allegations they do seem a bit odd. For example the women who went back to his room then complained she felt uncomfortable being in his room. Some of the stuff is just a bit lame, like asking a lesbian is she sure she didn’t want to date men and another if her new boyfriend had a nice bum, someone complaining he stared at her chest 14 years ago. It seems like it’s the BBC trying to get rid of him, which won’t be a bad thing but dragging someone through the mill rather than just them off is a bit of a shitty thing to do. 

We are in times of the easily offended. There has always been creepy old perverts but like you I think Wallace is obnoxious but he isn’t Savile mk2 by sounds of it. The problem is with positions of power where women can’t feel they can answer back. 
 

 

[whelk]

It’s got ridiculous now that you can’t even say ‘nice tits’ to a female colleague 

Edited 1 December, 2024 by whelk

[whelk]

On works pissups the women admitted to all discussing and having lists of the blokes at work  they would fuck in order. How offensive!

[badgerx16]

20 minutes ago, whelk said:

Interesting. Are you saying there are pictures and movies of lesbians on the internet?

So the logs of attempted Internet access from secondary schools on our network would suggest.

[sadoldgit]

1 hour ago, whelk said:

On works pissups the women admitted to all discussing and having lists of the blokes at work  they would fuck in order. How offensive!

Where did you appear on the list Whelk?

Wallace is a relic of the 70’s mentality and God knows there are still plenty of those around. By the sound of it he has done nothing illegal and the public pile on has been over the top. If he is found to have behaved inappropriately then just remove him from his job. This character assassination in public is what you normally get on social media platforms. It is worrying that you can get hung, drawn, quartered and cancelled in days in the national media now.

I’m no fan of Wallace and his recent comments do little to help his position, if anything they make it look worse, but things like this should be dealt with by the HR department, not trial by a national media pile on.

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/gregg-wallace-news-masterchef-penny-lancaster-accusations-bbc-b2656720.html

Edited 1 December, 2024 by sadoldgit

[whelk]

25 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Where did you appear on the list Whelk?

Power is a great aphrodisiac SOG. Being the boss means you have to be very careful though and cannot exploit, although of course could have been any of physique, looks or charm as well.

[sadoldgit]

13 minutes ago, whelk said:

Power is a great aphrodisiac SOG. Being the boss means you have to be very careful though and cannot exploit, although of course could have been any of physique, looks or charm as well.

With great power comes great responsibility Whelk. It is good to hear that you do not abuse your position. A fine example to us all 👏

[sadoldgit]

Has Wallace been pulled up on comments about nine pinters down at his local ale house yet?

[Turkish]

2 hours ago, whelk said:

On works pissups the women admitted to all discussing and having lists of the blokes at work  they would fuck in order. How offensive!

A former colleague of mine got fired from his job about 20 years ago because he got his cock out on a work do and waved it at a women saying “you want some of this” unbeknown to him the women he waved it at was in HR and he was fired the next morning. What a cock 🤣🤣🤣

[Turkish]

28 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Has Wallace been pulled up on comments about nine pinters down at his local ale house yet?

I heard they’re  not happy he made a comment about kiddie porn not being the crime of the century, make of that what you will

Edited 1 December, 2024 by Turkish

[Gloucester Saint]

Wallace is a twat and Masterchef will be fine without him in its new location. His behaviour wasn’t very good on other shows as well. He hasn’t helped himself by being so sensitive about himself eg spelling on his name but not applying to others.

All that said, he is a basic bloke who hasn’t progressed socially from a working class background despite the fame and affluence his roles have brought. Not suitable behaviour for those roles but not worthy either of being cancelled entirely and vilified by a media pile on. 

[sadoldgit]

There are stories on the front pages of The Sun and The Star of him being accused of groping which is obviously much more serious. Again though, trial by media when these matters should go through the proper channels.

[sadoldgit]

1 hour ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Wallace is a twat and Masterchef will be fine without him in its new location. His behaviour wasn’t very good on other shows as well. He hasn’t helped himself by being so sensitive about himself eg spelling on his name but not applying to others.

All that said, he is a basic bloke who hasn’t progressed socially from a working class background despite the fame and affluence his roles have brought. Not suitable behaviour for those roles but not worthy either of being cancelled entirely and vilified by a media pile on. 

His current comments about “middle class  women of a certain age” show that he is completely unaware that the world has moved on. It reminds me of an interview with Jim Davidson a few years ago where he felt he was hard done by and also had failed to understand that his behaviour and routine was well behind the times. “It was just a bit of bantz” doesn’t cut it anymore.

Edited 1 December, 2024 by sadoldgit

[The Kraken]

[sadoldgit]

The Gregg Wallace story was the main item on the BBC News  this evening, beating Aleppo in the schedule. 

[ChrisPY]

5 hours ago, Turkish said:

A former colleague of mine got fired from his job about 20 years ago because he got his cock out on a work do and waved it at a women saying “you want some of this” unbeknown to him the women he waved it at was in HR and he was fired the next morning. What a cock 🤣🤣🤣

At least he had something going for him. Hope you let him know to boost his spirits on his way out the door.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

Person in an indulgent, pampering industry containing numerous, widespread power imbalances and a history of those imbalances being abused, gets found out shocker.

Sadly not dealt with right at the start, that this and numerous other industries still have issues and that many others have and probably are getting away with it.

[AlexLaw76]

I know someone who met both Torode and Wallace during filming of Masterchef

wallace was a massive chopper off camera and Torode was a thoroughly decent chap, had loads of time for everyone and made the day for those watching.

 

[Gloucester Saint]

26 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

I know someone who met both Torode and Wallace during filming of Masterchef

wallace was a massive chopper off camera and Torode was a thoroughly decent chap, had loads of time for everyone and made the day for those watching.

 

Ditto, heard exactly the same. Loads of accounts online if people who have also met Wallace out of Masterchef and found him equally arrogant and offhand. Still doesn’t mean he should be cancelled.

[hypochondriac]

57 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Ditto, heard exactly the same. Loads of accounts online if people who have also met Wallace out of Masterchef and found him equally arrogant and offhand. Still doesn’t mean he should be cancelled.

Am not sure what cancelled means in this context. He's been publically criticised for being arrogant and unprofessional with his comments and he's been dropped as a host on MasterChef as a result. I could be wrong but I haven't seen anything beyond that like prosecution or anything. I expect he would be free to pop up on reality telly or similar if he were so minded. 

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said:

I know someone who met both Torode and Wallace during filming of Masterchef

wallace was a massive chopper off camera and Torode was a thoroughly decent chap, had loads of time for everyone and made the day for those watching.

 

Never forget when he came out with this, cringey stuff from a bloke who was in his mid fourties then

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1147402/Im-cooking-womans-crumpet-says-Masterchefs-Gregg-Wallace-admits-fame-improved-love-life.html

[sadoldgit]

1 hour ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Ditto, heard exactly the same. Loads of accounts online if people who have also met Wallace out of Masterchef and found him equally arrogant and offhand. Still doesn’t mean he should be cancelled.

Indeed. The entertainment business is full of unpleasant people with over inflated egos and no self awareness. Gregg Wallace is just another in a long line of them. It’s a business and it is what’s on screen that counts, until something like this happens.

The BBC seem to have been burnt by previous and much bigger issues concerning their presenters so are now overcompensating with the Wallace saga. There is no way that it should be the lead story on their main news shows.

As for Wallace, he should have apologised, offered to seek help and kept his head down for a while. By doubling down and making further unhelpful comments he has just dug himself a bigger hole.

[Lord Duckhunter]

[Turkish]

Playing devils advocate here, he's a 60 year old working class bloke who has done well for himself and everyone seems to be on a witch hunt because he told a few dirty jokes. I dont like the guy but where do you draw the line? Are we heading to a world where if one person claims to be offended by something that dozens aren't then are they going to lose their jobs as well? Im sure all of us have said things that might be considered offensive, but who sets the bar for what's acceptable? Is it really offensive to ask a women if her new boyfriend has a nice bum or ask  a lesbian if she really isn't interested in dating men? Silly things to say but pretty sure no malice would have been meant it.

[Turkish]

4 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

Indeed. The entertainment business is full of unpleasant people with over inflated egos and no self awareness. Gregg Wallace is just another in a long line of them. It’s a business and it is what’s on screen that counts, until something like this happens.

The BBC seem to have been burnt by previous and much bigger issues concerning their presenters so are now overcompensating with the Wallace saga. There is no way that it should be the lead story on their main news shows.

As for Wallace, he should have apologised, offered to seek help and kept his head down for a while. By doubling down and making further unhelpful comments he has just dug himself a bigger hole.

I heard the same could be said for the CPS and Guardian.

[The Kraken]

 

[Farmer Saint]

He's a prick, and a thoroughly unlikeable barrow boy, but should he be cancelled - unless he's done something criminal, probably not.

However, after all this, should he work for the BBC? Probably not.

He'll pop up and judge the cooking hour on GB News or Talk TV or whatever those Richard Tice channels are.

 

[sadoldgit]

2 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Not any different to calling women 9 pinters is it?

[Saint Billy]

I suppose our nuns on the match thread are now deemed as inappropriate.

[sadoldgit]

56 minutes ago, Saint Billy said:

I suppose our nuns on the match thread are now deemed as inappropriate.

No! They are doing God’s work.

[Turkish]

6 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

No! They are doing God’s work.

You accuse Duckhunter of being sexist for saying a girl is a nine pinter yet believe posting pictures of scantily clad nuns so you can leer at them reminiscing about the time when you could still get an erection as "gods work" wow, just wow.

[Weston Super Saint]

2 hours ago, Turkish said:

Playing devils advocate here, he's a 60 year old working class bloke who has done well for himself and everyone seems to be on a witch hunt because he told a few dirty jokes. I dont like the guy but where do you draw the line? Are we heading to a world where if one person claims to be offended by something that dozens aren't then are they going to lose their jobs as well? Im sure all of us have said things that might be considered offensive, but who sets the bar for what's acceptable? Is it really offensive to ask a women if her new boyfriend has a nice bum or ask  a lesbian if she really isn't interested in dating men? Silly things to say but pretty sure no malice would have been meant it.

We're already there!

The laws around harassment only state that someone has to feel that they are being distressed, humiliated or threatened...

[whelk]

On slight different note I did think about posting about burning down Stockley Park after Friday’s bs and realised that might lead to a 12 month sentence spreading hate to referees. So throw custard pies at their windows

[Holmes_and_Watson]

1 minute ago, whelk said:

On slight different note I did think about posting about burning down Stockley Park after Friday’s bs and realised that might lead to a 12 month sentence spreading hate to referees. So throw custard pies at their windows

I'd like to point out that Saintsweb in no way encourages vaudeville related physical comedy or skits. We feel that there is no room in our society for pie throwing, collapsible props or banana skins. We have plenty of bananas skins just watching our own team. Saintsweb feel we are aiding the wider public by keeping our clowns to the technical area.

[Turkish]

Just now, Holmes_and_Watson said:

I'd like to point out that Saintsweb in no way encourages vaudeville related physical comedy or skits. We feel that there is no room in our society for pie throwing, collapsible props or banana skins. We have plenty of bananas skins just watching our own team. Saintsweb feel we are aiding the wider public by keeping our clowns to the technical area.

a clear did at our black players here, referring to the old racist behaviour of throwing banana skins at them. Disgraceful comment. 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

Just now, Turkish said:

a clear did at our black players here, referring to the old racist behaviour of throwing banana skins at them. Disgraceful comment. 

That's a bit of a slur against Ken Dodd and his diddymen, as wholesome and entertaining a comedian who made generations laugh as you could get. That was during times where there were many racist jokes far more to the mainstream. His stance on this subject is beyond reproach.

[Turkish]

1 minute ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

That's a bit of a slur against Ken Dodd and his diddymen, as wholesome and entertaining a comedian who made generations laugh as you could get. That was during times where there were many racist jokes far more to the mainstream. His stance on this subject is beyond reproach.

diddymen? Got something against people who are vertically challenged do we? 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

1 minute ago, Turkish said:

diddymen? Got something against people who are vertically challenged do we? 

I can only hope that when you next reach for a jam butty, that you celebrate the brave, hard working diddymen who mined it for our tables and for our nation.

[Saint Billy]

1 hour ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

I can only hope that when you next reach for a jam butty, that you celebrate the brave, hard working diddymen who mined it for our tables and for our nation.

Diddymen who mined it!!, I bet they get paid peanuts which sounds like slave labour and exploitation to me. Btw, no offence to dwarfs intended.