Turkish Posted 19 November, 2020 Share Posted 19 November, 2020 12 hours ago, hypochondriac said: Wow. Crocker is certainly an impressive person. To think that some people thought that Krueger was actually worth listening to and not full of absolute shit. Kruger was more interested in telling us how proud we should be to see our former players doing so well at Liverpool. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 19 November, 2020 Share Posted 19 November, 2020 37 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: Yes I am entirely aware of that thanks for pointing out the obvious. The point is that whilst both had different roles, both of them have spoken about the club whilst beong employees. If you read what krueger used to say and then what an actual football person says like Matt then the difference is night and day. We are very lucky to have someone who very clearly knows exactly what they are talking about. Crocker's article is a fairly damning indictment of how the club was run after Poch (and by implication Cortese). The idea of the academy teams playing the same style as the first team to hep progression was put in place by Poch, but it seems the bullshit of Krueger and the machinations of Les Reed undid all of the good intentions and work. For all of Ronald Koeman's good managerial skilss once he broke free of the Reed shackles, he never had the long term future of Saints in mind and didn't have much faith in the Academy. Mind you, the same could happen again if/when Ralph leaves, unless strategic plans are put in place to replace him, its all very well getting the young players to play in the style of the first team and to be able to fit in, but if the first team philosophy changes, as one day it will then they are stuck again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Mikey Posted 19 November, 2020 Share Posted 19 November, 2020 21 minutes ago, VectisSaint said: Crocker's article is a fairly damning indictment of how the club was run after Poch (and by implication Cortese). The idea of the academy teams playing the same style as the first team to hep progression was put in place by Poch, but it seems the bullshit of Krueger and the machinations of Les Reed undid all of the good intentions and work. For all of Ronald Koeman's good managerial skilss once he broke free of the Reed shackles, he never had the long term future of Saints in mind and didn't have much faith in the Academy. Mind you, the same could happen again if/when Ralph leaves, unless strategic plans are put in place to replace him, its all very well getting the young players to play in the style of the first team and to be able to fit in, but if the first team philosophy changes, as one day it will then they are stuck again. I would have thought that the only change would be the playbook. The rest of the strategy would remain in place, we would work with the new manager and hopefully only tweak the playbook to their requirements. This would then be implemented across the Academy, B-Team and 1st Team. The players would have to learn some different tactics/positions - but as pro's you'd expect them to adapt to that. They would have played numerous roles and systems already and would expect to throughout their career. The key would the appointment of another progressive manager who has a philosophy that the whole club believes in and players thrive in. Appreciate that it's easy to say and not so easy to put in practice. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 19 November, 2020 Share Posted 19 November, 2020 42 minutes ago, sadoldgit said: My point was and still is that Chairmen and CEO’s speak very differently to DofF who are more hands on to the technical side of things so it is pointless comparing the two. If you want to compare Krueger compare him to Semmens. Something isn't pointless just because you claim it to be. Krueger's interviews were of interest because they signalled a larger problem that the club had at the time- namely "style" and flowery words signifying nothing over actual substance and acumen with a clear footballing philosophy where everyone sang from the same hymn sheet. It is clear that whilst Semmens has brought this himself, Crocker is an absolutely amazing person to continue this change for a club of our size. As he rightly says we cannot compete financially with other clubs so we have to be different in other ways. The stark difference in language between Krueger and Crocker is the interesting bit despite their differing job roles. We are in safe hands. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 19 November, 2020 Share Posted 19 November, 2020 31 minutes ago, VectisSaint said: Crocker's article is a fairly damning indictment of how the club was run after Poch (and by implication Cortese). The idea of the academy teams playing the same style as the first team to hep progression was put in place by Poch, but it seems the bullshit of Krueger and the machinations of Les Reed undid all of the good intentions and work. For all of Ronald Koeman's good managerial skilss once he broke free of the Reed shackles, he never had the long term future of Saints in mind and didn't have much faith in the Academy. Mind you, the same could happen again if/when Ralph leaves, unless strategic plans are put in place to replace him, its all very well getting the young players to play in the style of the first team and to be able to fit in, but if the first team philosophy changes, as one day it will then they are stuck again. True. I think however this was exacerbated when we panicked and appointed Mark Hughes to save us from relegation. All vestige of long term planning was thrown out the window to make sure we had short term survival. It is only now that we are building back better again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 19 November, 2020 Share Posted 19 November, 2020 4 minutes ago, Saint Mikey said: I would have thought that the only change would be the playbook. The rest of the strategy would remain in place, we would work with the new manager and hopefully only tweak the playbook to their requirements. This would then be implemented across the Academy, B-Team and 1st Team. The players would have to learn some different tactics/positions - but as pro's you'd expect them to adapt to that. They would have played numerous roles and systems already and would expect to throughout their career. The key would the appointment of another progressive manager who has a philosophy that the whole club believes in and players thrive in. Appreciate that it's easy to say and not so easy to put in practice. The timing is key. Hopefully we can agree a departure with Ralph and have a smooth transition with plenty of time. Quite often managerial changes are foisted upon a club with a downturn in form or a sudden poaching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 19 November, 2020 Share Posted 19 November, 2020 8 hours ago, skintsaint said: Sounds great and good for our short-medium term future. Questions is when RH goes. If Crocker is any good Hasenhüttl won't be going anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 19 November, 2020 Share Posted 19 November, 2020 Just now, Charlie Wayman said: If Crocker is any good Hasenhüttl won't be going anywhere. How does he prevent him going if an elite European club comes in for him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 19 November, 2020 Share Posted 19 November, 2020 I am very happy to see how Matt has returned and shown his importance to us. He speaks well and acknowledging his closeness to Ralph is a huge bonus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 19 November, 2020 Share Posted 19 November, 2020 I believe enjoying your job and having a good atmosphere at work can help us keep Ralph for some time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 19 November, 2020 Share Posted 19 November, 2020 8 hours ago, Matthew Le God said: How does he prevent him going if an elite European club comes in for him? What would he have to do for an elite European club to come in for him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 19 November, 2020 Share Posted 19 November, 2020 9 hours ago, Matthew Le God said: How does he prevent him going if an elite European club comes in for him? I think it's been quoted elsewhere that to implement a new style successfully it takes a team 2 seasons before they are experts in its application. There is no existing big team in the world that would wait longer than 6months in my view. Ralph is a world class manager at a club that has world class patience and belief. If anything I could see him going back to Red Bull now Ralph Ragwick is gone but think it would be unlikely, I think next season will be our big season if we get our recruitment right 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 20 November, 2020 Share Posted 20 November, 2020 (edited) The Athletic is such good value. I know many of us expect everything on internet to be free but now I no longer read anything else. Just read great article on Patrick Bamford. They just don’t churn out the usual shot in the papers. I’m on £1 a month deal such value. Feel like I actually want to support them as refreshingly depth journalism. Loved the Crocker article too. We are going to win the league Edited 20 November, 2020 by whelk 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 20 November, 2020 Share Posted 20 November, 2020 1 minute ago, whelk said: The Athletic is such good value. I know many of us expect everything on internet to be free but now I no longer read anything else. Just read great article on Patrick Bamford. They just don’t churn out the usual shot in the papers. I’m on £1 a month deal such value. Feel like I actually want to support them as refreshingly depth journalism. Loved the Crocker article too. We are going to win the league What's so good about it? Genuine question. im not really interested in reading nonsense about geeks doing tactical analysis or transfer gossip about WHO SHOULD LIVERPOOL SIGN? or opinions by crap journalists or journeyman players. The saints guy used to work for the echo didn't he? I dont remember him being anything special there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 20 November, 2020 Share Posted 20 November, 2020 43 minutes ago, Turkish said: What's so good about it? Genuine question. im not really interested in reading nonsense about geeks doing tactical analysis or transfer gossip about WHO SHOULD LIVERPOOL SIGN? or opinions by crap journalists or journeyman players. The saints guy used to work for the echo didn't he? I dont remember him being anything special there. Nor am I and I hate tactic bores although Michael Cox and Jonathan Wilson are ok in small doses. I mean there are limits on how much you can do about football and sometimes feels like the pressure to turn articles regularly but they try and come up with different angles and seems like they do get decent interviews. And they don’t do the bs click bait. Screenshots show some of recent Saints articles 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 20 November, 2020 Share Posted 20 November, 2020 bit early in the day to be down to 61% mate. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodsaint1 Posted 21 November, 2020 Share Posted 21 November, 2020 Finally getting to read this. Crocker comes across as very impressive and it is refreshing to see him using his previous experience here to try and return the club to its core values. He places so much emphasis on the new B team and how important it is to the progression of the club. Begs the question though why somebody like Dave Horseman is in charge of the team. Willing to give him the benefit of the doubt that the team are still adapting to new style of play, but the results this season havent been great so far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 22 November, 2020 Share Posted 22 November, 2020 (edited) 13 hours ago, woodsaint1 said: Begs the question though why somebody like Dave Horseman is in charge of the team. Willing to give him the benefit of the doubt that the team are still adapting to new style of play, but the results this season havent been great so far Match results aren't what Horseman should be judged on. It should be how well he develops players to be ready to move into the first team. They could lose every game 3-0, but if he is improving some of the players so Hasenhuttl can use them then he is doing his job well. Edited 22 November, 2020 by Matthew Le God 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 22 November, 2020 Share Posted 22 November, 2020 2 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: Match results aren't what Horseman should be judged on. It should be how well he develops players to be ready to move into the first team. They could lose every game 3-0, but if he is improving some of the players so Hasenhuttl can use them then he is doing his job well. I partly agree, but players need confidence to perform and develop. Getting beaten 3 nil each week won't help with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 8 April, 2021 Author Share Posted 8 April, 2021 Will be interesting to see how this pans out re: Crocker's revamp of scouting etc. Not to mention the new rules due to Brexit in regards to scholar recruitment for the academy. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Convict Colony Posted 14 May, 2021 Share Posted 14 May, 2021 48 minutes ago, SuperSAINT said: Hopefully from Cambridge Analytica and not League 2 Cambridge hahahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 14 May, 2021 Share Posted 14 May, 2021 (edited) 52 minutes ago, SuperSAINT said: Doesn't say if Cambridge United or Cambridge University, not sure which is the better grounding. Anyway, googled him and it is Cambridge Utd. wonder what the stand out credentials are to recruit from a L2 side albeit one just promoted. That said, he was previously at MK Dons which wasn't a bad starting point for Mitchell. (One of Reed's better appointments). Hope it's an inspired choice Edited 14 May, 2021 by Badger 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 14 May, 2021 Share Posted 14 May, 2021 Just a thought but shouldn't our research for the "summer push" have been done already ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 14 May, 2021 Share Posted 14 May, 2021 1 hour ago, Badger said: Just a thought but shouldn't our research for the "summer push" have been done already ? Appointing one more person to the existing staff in the department doesn't mean it isn't already underway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 14 May, 2021 Share Posted 14 May, 2021 3 hours ago, Badger said: Just a thought but shouldn't our research for the "summer push" have been done already ? Just means we have so may targets we need more resources to assess them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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