Summer 2020 transfer business

[Dellman]

47 minutes ago, SuperSAINT said:

 

Since when did the FA have authority to grant work permits?

[Saint86]

3 hours ago, Golac's Cunning Stunts said:

Amazing to think now that we signed Pelle, Mane, Toby and Tadic all in one window. Followed by VVD the following summer. Glory days! 

As Bruce says in his song though... Glory days, they'll pass you by

Thats the difference having a quality manage makes. Its a shame that Koeman's style rubbed up Reed like it did. But then again, a few yes men later and we were really in the mire - so at least we had Koeman for as long as we did. Car crash Reed has come within a whisper of ruining the club. Thank god Gao's chairmanship has included a shake up at board room level and the hiring of a serious manager again.

[Toadhall Saint]

6 minutes ago, DT said:

We will get two or three becomes might get one. It's always the same. Better not be Davies on loan.

Specifically MF is how I read it. Doesn’t mean we won’t get others but I take your point 

[Toadhall Saint]

3 minutes ago, Dellman said:

Since when did the FA have authority to grant work permits?

Good point. 

[SuperSAINT]

4 minutes ago, Dellman said:

Since when did the FA have authority to grant work permits?

"The UK Home Office has a points-based system based on which clubs must apply to The FA for a "Governing Body Endorsement" for such players."

https://www.premierleague.com/news/597662

[Saint86]

52 minutes ago, SuperSAINT said:

 

In all seriousness, that sounds like Club PR from Blackmore. There is no way saints would have wasted time on Sangare if we thought he couldn't get a work permit.

Saints were either too slow/cheap, or we were never really interested as a first choice. It is interesting that Blackmore feels the need to defend the club publicly - that actually suggested there is something to defend - not that we weren't really that interested.

[Lighthouse]

1 hour ago, Dellman said:

It was more than a few games. Mane was abused until he left

I don’t remember him ever being ‘abused’. He received a fair amount of criticism but then his performances here were wildly inconsistent. He didn’t look like a world beater until the last 2 months of the 2016 season and had gone missing for prolonged periods of both seasons.

[Toadhall Saint]

2 minutes ago, SuperSAINT said:

"The UK Home Office has a points-based system based on which clubs must apply to The FA for a "Governing Body Endorsement" for such players."

https://www.premierleague.com/news/597662

👍

[SuperSAINT]

7 minutes ago, Toadhall Saint said:

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Dellman’s question was a good one — so I looked it up  

[Village Saint]

You really are being nit picking here. Of course, the ultimate arbiter is the Home Office but the applications are not considered by the Home Office unless the FA first provides a Governing Body Endorsement. This was introduced to cut out much of the uncertainty regarding whether or not a player was likely to get a work permit. It is in fact a very good idea.

[Toadhall Saint]

7 minutes ago, SuperSAINT said:

Dellman’s question was a good one — so I looked it up  

Cheers for that 

[DT]

Wish they would point us in the direction of all the home grown nationals that could do an equally good job for the same price

*hides*

[Archers Road Stand]

46 minutes ago, SuperSAINT said:

 

Danso type loan incoming. 

[Ivan Katalinic's 'tache]

46 minutes ago, SuperSAINT said:

 

 

40 minutes ago, DT said:

We will get two or three becomes might get one. It's always the same. Better not be Davies on loan.

Unless he just means one centre mid not the total number of players we will get in? #ClutchingAtStraws

[DT]

2 minutes ago, Ivan Katalinic's 'tache said:

 

Unless he just means one centre mid not the total number of players we will get in? #ClutchingAtStraws

True. I'll take one of those straws too. (if it has a work permit)

[Saint Garrett]

53 minutes ago, SuperSAINT said:

 

They need to be more than "confident" I'm afraid. Imagine if we didn't get anyone else it, it would be a complete shambles.

[suewhistle]

8 minutes ago, Archers Road Stand said:

Danso type loan incoming. 

You mean unsuccessful?

[S-Clarke]

The work permit isn't a get out of jail for the club. ''Oh fair enough, club can't do much there!'.

WTF are the club doing chasing after a player who would have been very difficult to get a work permit for, when they've had an entire 12 months to plan for this and to eek out all this info before making a bid.

Shambles is one word for it.

Edited 29 September, 2020 by S-Clarke

[S-Clarke]

1 hour ago, SuperSAINT said:

 

Three becomes one, what happened to Ralph's 'two minimum, maybe three''.

Absolute mess. No doubts the club are proper hamstrung from the pointless Gao, but their planning never ceases to amaze me.

[sadoldgit]

2 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

The work permit isn't a get out of jail for the club. ''Oh fair enough, club can't do much there!'.

WTF are the club doing chasing after a player who would have been very difficult to get a work permit for, when they've had an entire 12 months to plan for this and to eek out all this info before making a bid.

Shambles is one word for it.

Perhaps because he was well down the list and they expected to be successful elsewhere? We seemed confident of getting McK until Juve stepped in late in the day.

[S-Clarke]

Just now, sadoldgit said:

Perhaps because he was well down the list and they expected to be successful elsewhere? We seemed confident of getting McK until Juve stepped in late in the day.

But we should have got enough background info on everyone on our 'list' to understand the work permit issues/if there are any.

There's no excuse for the substandard bollocks this club puts out in the transfer market, every.flaming.year.

[lambtiss]

2 hours ago, Dellman said:

It was more than a few games. Mane was abused until he left

He wasn't though, was he.

[skintsaint]

[Turkish]

I understand the club are confident of bringing in the players we need. Matt Crocker is relaxed about the situation. 

[miserableoldgit]

6 minutes ago, Turkish said:

I understand the club are confident of bringing in the players we need. Matt Crocker is relaxed about the situation. 

Phew!!! That's alright then....

[Convict Colony]

58 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

The work permit isn't a get out of jail for the club. ''Oh fair enough, club can't do much there!'.

WTF are the club doing chasing after a player who would have been very difficult to get a work permit for, when they've had an entire 12 months to plan for this and to eek out all this info before making a bid.

Shambles is one word for it.

Surely there is some sort of checking with the FA before you move past a certain point in your transfer process.

Think Blackmore is a bit compromised with regards to us as he obviously gets his sources from club so gets their view or whatever they want put out.

[Lighthouse]

1 hour ago, S-Clarke said:

The work permit isn't a get out of jail for the club. ''Oh fair enough, club can't do much there!'.

WTF are the club doing chasing after a player who would have been very difficult to get a work permit for, when they've had an entire 12 months to plan for this and to eek out all this info before making a bid.

Shambles is one word for it.

I don’t know the ins and outs of work permits but it could be that his application depended on first team and international appearances being made up until very recently. He could have been one of those who was worth a try, given the price but it was always an outside bet getting a permit. Clearly the club felt that this was worth a try, given our budget constraints.

[SonicBoom]

If you read the article on The Athletic about the last week of a transfer window, it's amazing that anyone signs for anyone at all. For a business with so much money sloshing about the window is chaotic with players, managers, agents and owners all trying to hold out for the best deal. It's no wonder it all goes to the last day and in some cases the last minute. 

Agents delay things to get the most money or a better offer for their client so teams like Saints have to decide whether they wait and risk being gazumped at the last moment - or whether they abandon that player and move down their option list. Often other clubs panic and offer a player stupid money to the point they will turn their car round and drive back to another club at the last second. 

Seems really unprofessional but it is what happens. Certainly not as easy as all the fans seem to think. 

[Lighthouse]

45 minutes ago, skintsaint said:

We already know we don’t have the money to spend on a £30m midfielder, so the meme doesn’t really make sense. The first caption should have read £15m on a cheap punt, like Elyounoussi or Juanmi.

[skintsaint]

3 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

We already know we don’t have the money to spend on a £30m midfielder, so the meme doesn’t really make sense. The first caption should have read £15m on a cheap punt, like Elyounoussi or Juanmi.

Saintsweb....where a quick joke about our general transfer policy down the years still gets critiqued...

[Turkish]

3 minutes ago, skintsaint said:

Saintsweb....where a quick joke about our general transfer policy down the years still gets critiqued...

If you want to joke go to the muppet show. This is the place for serious football talk. Any deviation will not be tolerated. 

[skintsaint]

Just now, Turkish said:

If you want to joke go to the muppet show. This is the place for serious football talk. Any deviation will not be tolerated. 

True dat.

[CB Fry]

1 minute ago, skintsaint said:

True dat.

 

3 minutes ago, Turkish said:

If you want to joke go to the muppet show. This is the place for serious football talk. Any deviation will not be tolerated. 

Please can you stay on topic.

[Forester]

Like everyone else I want a midfielder in.  But I don’t quite get the negativity about a loan signing.  Reality is that we have had to loan out poor signings (Carrillo, Lamina, Moi etc) and so haven’t pocketed big fees because sensibly people won’t but them.  However some of our best signings have been “try before you buy”, so Bertrand, Ings and Walker-Peters are shining examples.  Toby also, but unfortunately the initial terms were poor which meant we could not capitalise a year later.

[sadoldgit]

A shambles at this stage would be not having bought a CH and not sorting out the RB situation, both of which have been sorted.

We don’t know what the situation was with this player. Perhaps he came into our radar only recently so we have only just been involved with the work permit issue? Why do you always naturally assume that someone at the club has made a cock up?

[SuperSAINT]

I wish we had “no money” like Leicester / Liverpool / Spurs have “no money”.

[Lighthouse]

3 minutes ago, Forester said:

Like everyone else I want a midfielder in.  But I don’t quite get the negativity about a loan signing.  Reality is that we have had to loan out poor signings (Carrillo, Lamina, Moi etc) and so haven’t pocketed big fees because sensibly people won’t but them.  However some of our best signings have been “try before you buy”, so Bertrand, Ings and Walker-Peters are shining examples.  Toby also, but unfortunately the initial terms were poor which meant we could not capitalise a year later.

Toby wanted to go to Spurs, nothing wrong with the terms of the deal as far as we were concerned.

 

I agree with your main point though. If it’s a financial choice between a decent-ish loan player or a crap one on a perm. To add to the collection we’re loaning out next summer, we’d obviously prefer the former.

[saintwbu]

5 minutes ago, SuperSAINT said:

I wish we had “no money” like Leicester / Liverpool / Spurs have “no money”.

Leicester have brought in £150m+ in transfer fees in recent years. We used to do that kind of thing, until we started buying players that we can’t even give away. 

[Saint Billy]

If there is anything going on they are keeping it well under wraps. 

[qwertyell]

6 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

A shambles at this stage would be not having bought a CH and not sorting out the RB situation, both of which have been sorted.

We don’t know what the situation was with this player. Perhaps he came into our radar only recently so we have only just been involved with the work permit issue? Why do you always naturally assume that someone at the club has made a cock up?

Really? Selling one of only three senior midfielders and not having any other credible options in the squad for the entire season isn't a shambles?

We're one injury, suspension or loss of form away from playing Will Smallbone every week. In midfield. In men's football. In the Premier League. Will fucking Smallbone.

[Little Lat Pahars]

5 minutes ago, Forester said:

Like everyone else I want a midfielder in.  But I don’t quite get the negativity about a loan signing.  Reality is that we have had to loan out poor signings (Carrillo, Lamina, Moi etc) and so haven’t pocketed big fees because sensibly people won’t but them.  However some of our best signings have been “try before you buy”, so Bertrand, Ings and Walker-Peters are shining examples.  Toby also, but unfortunately the initial terms were poor which meant we could not capitalise a year later.

I think most peoples issue is that we are not guarenteed the player at the end of the loan if there is no agreement in place. If KWP had attracted interest from top clubs during his loan with us its unlikely he would have joined us.

Also with the options to buy how does that work if the player doesnt want to join? Is the players contract agreed during the loan negotiations or is it just the agreed price with the club that is agreed? So if we hadnt mucked up the contract with Athletico could Toby have just said to us, thanks for the year but I'm joining Spurs?

Wasn't Ings pretty much a perm signing as it was a commitment to buy rather than option?

 

 

[Lighthouse]

6 minutes ago, qwertyell said:

Really? Selling one of only three senior midfielders and not having any other credible options in the squad for the entire season isn't a shambles?

We're one injury, suspension or loss of form away from playing Will Smallbone every week. In midfield. In men's football. In the Premier League. Will fucking Smallbone.

So you’ve assumed that we definitely won’t get anyone in this week, even on loan?

[miserableoldgit]

8 minutes ago, Saint Billy said:

If there is anything going on they are keeping it well under wraps. 

It's the Southampton Way....

[Chewy]

2 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

So you’ve assumed that we definitely won’t get anyone in this week, even on loan?

I have us much confidence in us getting a midfielder in having known about it for months as I had last summer having months to sort out a defender.

And in fairness we did get Danso.

[qwertyell]

3 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

So you’ve assumed that we definitely won’t get anyone in this week, even on loan?

As things stand today we definitely haven't. We could sign the 2-3 players the manager says we need. They could be absolutely cracking deals, taking the football world by surprise with their ambition and audacity. Anything could happen in hypothetical land.

But the trend at the club in the last few years suggests it probably won't.

 

[Toadhall Saint]

Let’s hope Olympiacos get turned over tonight and go out of the CL. We can then go all out for that Mady Camara chap (curtesy of superSaint). 😉

[Turkish]

3 minutes ago, qwertyell said:

As things stand today we definitely haven't. We could sign the 2-3 players the manager says we need. They could be absolutely cracking deals, taking the football world by surprise with their ambition and audacity. Anything could happen in hypothetical land.

But the trend at the club in the last few years suggests it probably won't.

 

You can only go by past evidence like you say. it's really not been since 2014/15 that we have delivered a decent transfer window, addressing most of our issues with quality players. So given that we've had 5 consecutive years of shambolic windows i'm not expecting that to change in the next 6 days.

[verlaine1979]

42 minutes ago, saintwbu said:

Leicester have brought in £150m+ in transfer fees in recent years. We used to do that kind of thing, until we started buying players that we can’t even give away. 

They've spent between £80-110m more than they've sold over the past five seasons, and by these reports are looking to spend significantly before the end of the window.

Interestingly, Transfermarkt have us with an exact net spend of zero for the window so far. Coincidence, taking the piss, or a genuine signal that the owner really won't sanction any spending that isn't matched by an equivalent sale or loan out?

[Turkish]

1 minute ago, verlaine1979 said:

They've spent between £80-110m more than they've sold over the past five seasons, and by these reports are looking to spend significantly before the end of the window.

Interestingly, Transfermarkt have us with an exact net spend of zero for the window so far. Coincidence, taking the piss, or a genuine signal that the owner really won't sanction any spending that isn't matched by an equivalent sale or loan out?

We're the only club that has made a profit from transfers the last 5 seasons yet still dont have a pot to p1ss in. it really is incredible how badly run we've been. I notice those repeating the "we are a well run club" mantra have been quite lately.

Edited 29 September, 2020 by Turkish

[danjosaint]

And don't forget we  have to pay taxes and agent fees