Summer 2020 transfer business

[Dorchester Saint]

1 hour ago, Pilchards said:

Fucking embarrassing we are.

If you want a player then stop pissing about and get them.

Seriously if you took Danny Ings out of our current team we would be rock bottom and the laughing stock of the premiership.

U ok Hun? 

[Chez]

I see Leeds are looking at Mickael Cuisance at Munich. Lovely left foot. Wants first team football. Hoj mark II, but in a good way?

[Chez]

28 minutes ago, Pat from Poole said:

I completely agree with Gordon Mockles about Sessegnon. I think he would be terrific for us, and would link up really well with Bertrand.

Redmond is a versatile enough player to play on the other side of midfield or alternatively as a more central attacking midfielder. Djenepo shows a lot of promise but isn’t quite consistent enough at the moment.

Sessegnon looked good whenever I saw him at Fulham. Feels like a good fit.

[skintsaint]

2 hours ago, TWar said:

"His quality doesn't lie in running, but much rather in his passing. His passing and vision is truly exceptional. I don't think De Jong is a good comp at all to be honest, he's not as physical and doesn't win as many balls back. De Jong usually starts the attack and gives hockey assists while Veerman directly creates the chance either for a teammate or himself. He's more like a Dutch KDB-light (I know it sounds ridiculous, but he's really that good). He's more dangerous in front of goal than De Jong too. Opponents have started to put a man on him at all times and they literally leave him alone once or twice and it's immediately two goalscoring opportunities for a teammate. Personally I think the Bundesliga or Serie A is a better fit for him than the Premier League but we will see."

RH won't be too interested in that then!!

[Gordon Mockles]

2 hours ago, Chez said:

Sessegnon looked good whenever I saw him at Fulham. Feels like a good fit.

He’s mustard. 25 goals as a full / wing back in a poor Fulham side says it all. Yes, he lacks premier league experience but I’m confident that when he gets it, he’ll become a defender of much higher value and demand and he’s British so understands the leagues. If we loaned him in though, we should definitely insist on an option to buy and I don’t think Levy would agree to that. 

As for the Dutch chap, who really knows. They have often fooled much smarter footballing brains than us. At some stage, we have to trust our scouts and we can’t keep dwelling on the failures as I have perhaps unfairly done. We will get one right eventually. I’ve simply seen so many recent transfer articles with fans getting angry with the club about links we probably never had, I assumed this was just another unproven, young Dutch kid wanting to make it big and get his big, Premier League move.

My point is, is Veerman really of the calibre to deserve a move to us and become a first choice midfielder? If he isn’t, then we shouldn’t be signing him. He may indeed be exceptional and my judgement wider of the mark than a Shane Long finish but I would be extremely surprised if he was. We would have heard more chatter and buzz. Most of us will admit, we are completely in the dark and base on judgements on very little. Even those in the industry or with family whom are. Some more so than others. 

I would be extremely pleased to be wrong. It’s extremely difficult to successfully scout & land a low-cost, European gem as every club knows about them and wants the same. Clubs with a much larger scouting budget than Southampton. Then, the chances of luring said player to Southampton, with our non-existent plan for future success, even slimmer. We have no dream to sell anymore. Sadly. 

We have signed very few players in recent transfer windows and the point I was making is, we now have to make every signing count. Double scout them if needs be.

Is it worth taking a gamble on an untested kid from a league which is nowhere near as pressured & physical? Maybe but can we, as a club, afford to take that risk? Probably not. We are painfully thin in midfield and in squad depth in general, we have little available transfer money & we need a first choice, midfielder to boss & set the tempo of matches. It is a huge responsibility. 

We are after signing a player to replace our captain, the linchpin of the team. We have lost a very experienced premier league captain (despite me not being a fan) so need to replace like for like. Or not far from it. It’s all very well bringing in some young players with potential but not continuously as we have done or you get weaker and weaker and weaker until relegation. 

Ings, Redmond, JWP. Then Romeu and Bertrand. Aside from them, goalkeepers included, there’s not really any other players I’d be rushing to put on my team sheet. That’s a symptom of continually diluting the quality. We need to strengthen and think to the future. Players like Sessegnon. Even a hidden gem in Europe. They are out there but they’re so hard to find and even harder to compete to buy. 

Signing any cheap or budget youth player or a high risk signing at this stage is stupidity and we are too threadbare to weaken the squad further. We have zero depth. Zero. Ralph said it. He had to player player recovering from injury & not fully fit (Armstrong) as we have no alternative aside from Smallbone. We cannot afford passengers and we still have 4 or 5 hitchhikers that need dropping off (or booting off the bus). 

We need a quality, first team starter in CM but I am confident Crocker & Semmens know this (Reed & Ross have gone...yay!) which is why they’re taking so much time as we have to get the right player and we simply cannot afford any more costly mistakes. Plus a lot of the transfers are like buying a house and tied up in a chain. A string of moves awaiting deadline day. Maybe I’m giving them unfair leeway but I’m bloody hoping that’s what they are doing. Especially in this current climate. We will be linked with every player under the sun but the player we sign, we will likely only hear about last minute. 

*fingers crossed* 🤞🏼
 

 

[tajjuk]

8 hours ago, Gordon Mockles said:

Because he’s class.

LOL no he isn't.

If he was class he would actually get more appearances for Spurs. 

He's a young player with potential (who is probably over hyped like most English teenagers are) who's career has stalled a lot, and IMO he lacks the skills to be a top level winger which is why IIRC Mourinho has mainly been using him as a left back again, not an attacker as he was at Fulham. 

I don't really see the point of signing him, unlikely Spurs will allow us to sign him permanently and we don't really need him, just a waste of funds on a player that is currently worse than what we have. 

Oh and he wasn't a wing back for Fulham, he played as an attacking left winger in both their promotion season and the PL. 

Your comments make no sense, you criticise Veerman as not being a first choice midfielder for us, but then suggest we sign another player who also wouldn't be a first team player in a position we don't need. 

[Convict Colony]

8 hours ago, Chez said:

I see Leeds are looking at Mickael Cuisance at Munich. Lovely left foot. Wants first team football. Hoj mark II, but in a good way?

I read hes meant to be a.bit of a twat around the place, also think Marseille are keen

[Convict Colony]

8 hours ago, Gordon Mockles said:

Pelle and Tadic were not flops (nor were they nobodies - both established internationals) so why would I list them with the flops? 

Not all were European such as Gaston Ramirez but he was signed from Europe - Italy (Bologna).   

Why Sessegnon?

Because he’s class.

England international. The youngest ever player to score in a Championship match. Bagged up tons of goals as an attacking full / wing back for Fulham. 

Instrumental in helping Fulham’s promotion to the Premier League previously. 

Scored 15 goals and won shed loads of awards. He scored 25 goals in total for Fulham, as a full back / winger, before joining Spurs. He oozes class. Levy is notoriously careful with money and I don’t think spurs would’ve paid 25 million for someone they thought was crap. 

I doubt we will get him but I would be over the moon if we did as we need a long-term replacement & competition for Bertrand.

 

Just to MLG you Pelle only became a full international once he joined us.

[Turkish]

25 minutes ago, tajjuk said:

LOL no he isn't.

If he was class he would actually get more appearances for Spurs. 

He's a young player with potential (who is probably over hyped like most English teenagers are) who's career has stalled a lot, and IMO he lacks the skills to be a top level winger which is why IIRC Mourinho has mainly been using him as a left back again, not an attacker as he was at Fulham. 

I don't really see the point of signing him, unlikely Spurs will allow us to sign him permanently and we don't really need him, just a waste of funds on a player that is currently worse than what we have. 

Oh and he wasn't a wing back for Fulham, he played as an attacking left winger in both their promotion season and the PL. 

Your comments make no sense, you criticise Veerman as not being a first choice midfielder for us, but then suggest we sign another player who also wouldn't be a first team player in a position we don't need. 

Yet you want us to sign Walcott noqw in his 30's who cant get a game at Everton.  

[Dusic]

On Veerman, sounds like Herenveen want him to stay for one more year, especially as he only signed a new contract last summer, and they will have little chance to replace their best player with such a short time left in the window. Thats another problem with leaving it so late.

From a Saints perspective if we like him then we mighy feel he would be too expensive for us in a year, and maybe with some Holland caps.

But at this stage it just sounds like we have enquired - as we probably have with lots of players.

Surely decision time on who we go for has to be in the next couple of days...

Edited 29 September, 2020 by Dusic

[TWar]

7 hours ago, skintsaint said:

RH won't be too interested in that then!!

This was in the context of running with the ball. Not off the ball pressing, which he is apparently good at 

[tajjuk]

26 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Yet you want us to sign Walcott noqw in his 30's who cant get a game at Everton.  

You want to quote me where I said that? 

If you are going to put silly gifs its always best to get your facts straight otherwise you look like a right moron.

Oh wait you are, carry on then. 

[Turkish]

20 minutes ago, tajjuk said:

You want to quote me where I said that? 

If you are going to put silly gifs its always best to get your facts straight otherwise you look like a right moron.

Oh wait you are, carry on then. 

My apologies, it was the other relentlessly clueless bore, Adrian. 

Edited 29 September, 2020 by Turkish

[SNSUN]

1 hour ago, tajjuk said:

LOL no he isn't.

If he was class he would actually get more appearances for Spurs. 

He's a young player with potential (who is probably over hyped like most English teenagers are) who's career has stalled a lot, and IMO he lacks the skills to be a top level winger which is why IIRC Mourinho has mainly been using him as a left back again, not an attacker as he was at Fulham. 

I don't really see the point of signing him, unlikely Spurs will allow us to sign him permanently and we don't really need him, just a waste of funds on a player that is currently worse than what we have. 

Oh and he wasn't a wing back for Fulham, he played as an attacking left winger in both their promotion season and the PL. 

Your comments make no sense, you criticise Veerman as not being a first choice midfielder for us, but then suggest we sign another player who also wouldn't be a first team player in a position we don't need. 

Yep. Sessegnon played against us in the FA Cup third round in January 2018 and a certain out of position, almost untried Jan Bednarek played right back and kept him in his pocket. Yes there was a League between us, but we were crapola under Pellegrino and they were on their way to promotion.

I don't think Sess would be a bad signing, and would certainly strengthen left back and cover Redmond's position,  but I feel there are both more pressing issues with other positions, and I would hope there are better AM options than him available too. It would definitely have to be a loan with an option if we were to get him, it would make me feel dirty loaning a Spurs player, making him better and sending him back to strengthen them.

[woodsaint1]

9 hours ago, Gordon Mockles said:

Pelle and Tadic were not flops (nor were they nobodies - both established internationals) so why would I list them with the flops? 

Not all were European such as Gaston Ramirez but he was signed from Europe - Italy (Bologna).   

Why Sessegnon?

Because he’s class.

England international. The youngest ever player to score in a Championship match. Bagged up tons of goals as an attacking full / wing back for Fulham. 

Instrumental in helping Fulham’s promotion to the Premier League previously. 

Scored 15 goals and won shed loads of awards. He scored 25 goals in total for Fulham, as a full back / winger, before joining Spurs. He oozes class. Levy is notoriously careful with money and I don’t think spurs would’ve paid 25 million for someone they thought was crap. 

I doubt we will get him but I would be over the moon if we did as we need a long-term replacement & competition for Bertrand.

 

Pelle got his first Italy cap when he played for us. Tadic came from FC Twente so wasnt well known and Serbia hardly have a luxury of players. Im just saying that ruling out a player from the dutch league based on precedent is incorrect. Im sure theres plenty of good players in that league and Veerman may be one.

On the Sessegnon point, being exceptional in the championship isnt a guarantee for PL success as we've discovered with Adams. Of course Spurs dont think hes crap if they spent 25 mill, but how much he cost is not an automatic indicator of success. Would I like Sessegnon here, yes, but do i think we really need him, not so sure.

[tajjuk]

13 minutes ago, SNSUN said:

Yep. Sessegnon played against us in the FA Cup third round in January 2018 and a certain out of position, almost untried Jan Bednarek played right back and kept him in his pocket. Yes there was a League between us, but we were crapola under Pellegrino and they were on their way to promotion.

I don't think Sess would be a bad signing, and would certainly strengthen left back and cover Redmond's position,  but I feel there are both more pressing issues with other positions, and I would hope there are better AM options than him available too. It would definitely have to be a loan with an option if we were to get him, it would make me feel dirty loaning a Spurs player, making him better and sending him back to strengthen them.

I don't think he would be a bad signing IF the fees were ok and we had an option to buy, rather than just giving game time and potentially improving another clubs player. He clearly has some promise but just hasn't got there yet and I'd imagine sitting on the bench for Spurs isn't going to help him much. 

But I also just don't see him coming into the team anywhere, he's not a better left back than Bertrand and as I said he's not really a good winger for the system, his dribbling is not great and I think he found it a lot harder to have an impact when he stepped up. He seems more of a player that is good on the transition where he can use his pace and good runs to get into good positions, rather than take on full backs and get crosses in or create space for himself by taking players on.  Which is why I presume ultimately he has in his few appearances for Spurs largely played as a full back or wing back. 

But like you say we need strengthening elsewhere as a priority.

If we are going to loan to buy a youngster from a PL team I'd go for Brewster, I think long term he'll end up as a top quality player and seems to have his head switched on that he needs to move away from Liverpool permanently to develop, but sadly another position we don't really need and we are just not in a position to take chances like that because of previous transfer F ups, there is talk of him going for less than £20 million which I think could end up being a bargain for someone from what I have seen of him. 

Edited 29 September, 2020 by tajjuk

[Pilchards]

2 minutes ago, tajjuk said:

If we are going to loan to buy a youngster from a PL team I'd go for Brewster, I think long term he'll end up as a top quality player and seems to have his head switched on that he needs to move away from Liverpool permanently to develop, but sadly another position we don't really need and we are just not in a position to take chances like that because of previous transfer F ups, there is talk of him going for less than £20 million which I think could end up being a bargain for someone from what I have seen of him. 

I don’t think buying is a option as Liverpool want to add a ‘buy back option’ on him and I don’t think we will entertain that idea.

[tajjuk]

3 minutes ago, Pilchards said:

I don’t think buying is a option as Liverpool want to add a ‘buy back option’ on him and I don’t think we will entertain that idea.

Probably not though as long as it is a decent amount higher than what you pay for him it fits are model of buying cheaper and selling on.

Plus they don't often get used, like Chelsea reportedly had one on Ake but didn't use it, the club with the buy back has to want or need the player and the player has to want to go back as well. 

But I just don't think we have £20 million to spend on a striker, the money is needed elsewhere, if we didn't have so many transfer f ups over the last 2-3 years we'd probably be in position to buy someone like him even if he wasn't a priority. 

[miserableoldgit]

Out of interest, when was the last time that we looked back and said "Yep.....that was a decent transfer window?"

[S-Clarke]

3 minutes ago, miserableoldgit said:

Out of interest, when was the last time that we looked back and said "Yep.....that was a decent transfer window?"

14/15.

We lost a lot, for sure, but we replaced them well and didn't leave any obvious holes in the squad.

The second season under Koeman we signed VVD, but we also started to baulk out the squad with the likes of Juanmi etc - and that was kinda a sign of things to come.

[SuperSAINT]

Ntcham link #73

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8784535/Southampton-West-Brom-set-transfer-battle-Celtic-star-Olivier-Ntcham.html 

Edited 29 September, 2020 by SuperSAINT

[Disco Stu]

Are we still after Ntcham? I hope not, he's not that rated by the Celtic fans.

Edited 29 September, 2020 by Disco Stu

[Pilchards]

3 minutes ago, Disco Stu said:

Are we still after Ntcham? I hope not, he's not that rated by the Celtic fans.

He’s on the going back for list because we probably screwed up on the other 3 targets we wanted.

I will say it again we will end up with Davies and Choudary because nobody whose wants them.

[S-Clarke]

Just now, Pilchards said:

He’s on the going back for list because we probably screwed up on the other 3 targets we wanted.

I will say it again we will end up with Davies and Choudary because nobody whose wants them.

I don't think we'd be able to get Chouduray, as he's quite expensive. English young player, first team player for Leicester (ok, not every week). Upwards of £25m imo.

Davies on a nominal loan is probably the option we'll go for.

[a1ex2001]

1 hour ago, tajjuk said:

Probably not though as long as it is a decent amount higher than what you pay for him it fits are model of buying cheaper and selling on.

Plus they don't often get used, like Chelsea reportedly had one on Ake but didn't use it, the club with the buy back has to want or need the player and the player has to want to go back as well. 

But I just don't think we have £20 million to spend on a striker, the money is needed elsewhere, if we didn't have so many transfer f ups over the last 2-3 years we'd probably be in position to buy someone like him even if he wasn't a priority. 

I wouldn't touch Brewster for that sort of money, he is hardly proven at this (or any other) level and is just as likely to turn out to be a flop as the next Owen, Jordan Ibe and Dominic Solanke spring to mind!

[Golac's Cunning Stunts]

45 minutes ago, miserableoldgit said:

Out of interest, when was the last time that we looked back and said "Yep.....that was a decent transfer window?"

Amazing to think now that we signed Pelle, Mane, Toby and Tadic all in one window. Followed by VVD the following summer. Glory days! 

As Bruce says in his song though... Glory days, they'll pass you by

[Saint Garrett]

5 minutes ago, Golac's Cunning Stunts said:

Amazing to think now that we signed Pelle, Mane, Toby and Tadic all in one window. Followed by VVD the following summer. Glory days! 

As Bruce says in his song though... Glory days, they'll pass you by

We had also just raised a shit load of money from sales. and all of those came in for less than the outlay.  

[Ex Lion Tamer]

Plus the experts on here though Pelle and Mane were shit based on their first few games!

[tajjuk]

15 minutes ago, a1ex2001 said:

I wouldn't touch Brewster for that sort of money, he is hardly proven at this (or any other) level and is just as likely to turn out to be a flop as the next Owen, Jordan Ibe and Dominic Solanke spring to mind!

We paid £15 million for Adams who had a similar goalscoring ratio in the Championship, is 4 years older and doesn't have anywhere near the England youth team experience. 

£3-5 million more in today's market seems pretty good for a highly rated English 20 year old trained at a top academy, who's proven himself in the Championship and has been capped at every level for England bar senior. 

[a1ex2001]

3 minutes ago, tajjuk said:

We paid £15 million for Adams who had a similar goalscoring ratio in the Championship, is 4 years older and doesn't have anywhere near the England youth team experience. 

£3-5 million more in today's market seems pretty good for a highly rated English 20 year old trained at a top academy, who's proven himself in the Championship and has been capped at every level for England bar senior. 

He hasn't proven himself in the championship he had one decent short spell with Swansea, Adams had three seasons in the Championship and still hasn't managed to make the step up. David Prutton played 25 times for England at under 21 level again this is no guarantee of success!  20 million for me represents a massive gamble he is a good prospect and nothing more his career to date is very reminiscent of the two lads that Bournemouth got bent over for, I'd take him on loan with an option to buy which would at least give him a chance to earn a 20 million price tag!

[Dusic]

56 minutes ago, Pilchards said:

He’s on the going back for list because we probably screwed up on the other 3 targets we wanted.

I will say it again we will end up with Davies and Choudary because nobody whose wants them.

No chance of Choudhury because Ndidi is injured.

[DT]

Villa looked pretty good last night. If they get RLC they will be excellent. Might need to try harder to land him just to stop them as we will be in same grouping as them at the end of the season. A six-pointer loan, if you like.

But would be happy with Ntcham or Veerman. Obviously won't get any of them, us being us. Pretty depressing.

[tajjuk]

14 minutes ago, a1ex2001 said:

He hasn't proven himself in the championship he had one decent short spell with Swansea, Adams had three seasons in the Championship and still hasn't managed to make the step up. David Prutton played 25 times for England at under 21 level again this is no guarantee of success!  20 million for me represents a massive gamble he is a good prospect and nothing more his career to date is very reminiscent of the two lads that Bournemouth got bent over for, I'd take him on loan with an option to buy which would at least give him a chance to earn a 20 million price tag!

He had over 20 games not a 'short spell'.

And £20 million on a player is not a gamble these days, its a low price for that sort of player.  Maddison was £25 million like 3 years ago. 

Both Ibe and Solanke had played quite a lot for Liverpool and not done well, they had like 2 goals between in them in about 50 appearances, so the warning to Bournemouth was pretty obvious there. 

[TWar]

In the championship, Brewster racked up 10 goals and 0 assists in 1672 championship minutes, that is a g+a per 90 of 0.53.

Che in his championship season managed 22 goals and 5 assists in 3740 minutes or 0.65 g+a per 90. Che achieved these stats with a struggling Birmingham team who finished 17th whereas Brewster achieved his numbers with a Swansea side that achieved 6th, therefore Che was able to do it despite playing in a worse side. 

Incidentally Che got 4 goals and 3 assists in 1105 premier league minutes last season or 0.57 g+a per 90. So not only did Che Adams comfortably outperform Brewsters output in their comparable championship seasons, despite being in a markedly weaker team, but he actually outperformed Brewsters output while playing in the prem too. Che cost us £15m with no caveats of resale whereas Brewster would likely have a buyback clause and cost £20m+, this is why Brewster is a pretty poor option.

Edited 29 September, 2020 by TWar

[Dellman]

1 hour ago, Ex Lion Tamer said:

Plus the experts on here though Pelle and Mane were shit based on their first few games!

It was more than a few games. Mane was abused until he left

[the saint in winchester]

2 minutes ago, Dellman said:

It was more than a few games. Mane was abused until he left

Not so. He was thought little of at first, when he was played as an out and out winger, told to get crosses in. When we allowed him to play as a striker/no10 he was transformed and a crowd-pleaser.

[Convict Colony]

10 minutes ago, Dellman said:

It was more than a few games. Mane was abused until he left

 

[Shance]

If we don't buy a midfielder to replace Hojbjerg then we are fucked. 

[SuperSAINT]

 

[Convict Colony]

Voetbal International adds that Veerman does not intend to miss a 'unique opportunity'. It remains to be seen whether Heerenveen and Southampton will find each other in the coming days regarding a transfer fee for Veerman.

Just realised we havent had a video yet.

 

 

Edited 29 September, 2020 by Convict Colony

[tajjuk]

36 minutes ago, TWar said:

In the championship, Brewster racked up 10 goals and 0 assists in 1672 championship minutes, that is a g+a per 90 of 0.53.

Che in his championship season managed 22 goals and 5 assists in 3740 minutes or 0.65 g+a per 90. Che achieved these stats with a struggling Birmingham team who finished 17th whereas Brewster achieved his numbers with a Swansea side that achieved 6th, therefore Che was able to do it despite playing in a worse side. 

Incidentally Che got 4 goals and 3 assists in 1105 premier league minutes last season or 0.57 g+a per 90. So not only did Che Adams comfortably outperform Brewsters output in their comparable championship seasons, despite being in a markedly weaker team, but he actually outperformed Brewsters output while playing in the prem too. Che cost us £15m with no caveats of resale whereas Brewster would likely have a buyback clause and cost £20m+, this is why Brewster is a pretty poor option.

Brewster is 20, Che is 24

Swansea were mid table when he joined, he is a large part of the reason they made their play off push.

Brewster has been trained/developed at one of the best clubs in the world under one of the best managers in world (who rates him), Adams came through non-league which is likely why he is a still a bit rough round the edges.

Brewster has been part of probably the most successful England youth sides of all time winning the golden boot at the 2017 U17 World Cup and was voted the 3rd best player at the tournament. 

We paid £15 million for a guy who apart from that one  good season with Brum, has a record of 45 goals in 214 games.  

You are going to tout Adams and dismiss Brewster, whilst ignoring a lot of inconvenient facts. 

All transfers are a gamble, but a very highly rated 20 year old, who has done well at Championship level and has been hugely successful at England youth levels for £20 million is certainly no more of a gamble than a 4 years older, non-league trained player who aside one season had a 1 in 5 scoring record for £15 million. 

[Turkish]

10 minutes ago, SuperSAINT said:

 

"we tried really hard to bring players in, but it's a difficult market, not easy to get deals done" 

[East Kent Saint]

26 minutes ago, Dellman said:

It was more than a few games. Mane was abused until he left

He certainly had a few games at the begining where not much came off for him or the team with miskicks etc , once he settled he looked like a good player, At the end he wanted to leave and started to arrive late for training etc and only seemed to have a good game against a potential suitor , which he then got flack for . We knew he was a good player but he wanted to move on . He has built on his time at Saints and has looked class .

[ErwinK1961]

14 minutes ago, SuperSAINT said:

 

Seems odd really, considering Salisu didnt have any caps... but Sangare has 5? Guess it could be that it wasn't a big enough fee, but not much between that and Salisu?

Maybe it would have taken a couple extra million euros to get it done, but we weren't willing to pay it?

[SuperSAINT]

4 minutes ago, ErwinK1961 said:

Seems odd really, considering Salisu didnt have any caps... but Sangare has 5? Guess it could be that it wasn't a big enough fee, but not much between that and Salisu?

Maybe it would have taken a couple extra million euros to get it done, but we weren't willing to pay it?

Could we not appeal?

[Ivan Katalinic's 'tache]

Apparently the feedback from the FA regarding a work permit for Salisu was: "look guys, we know you're shit at the back so you can sign Salisu."

When we went back for Sangare too they said: "oh no, sorry chaps, you can't sign a central midfielder who doesn't meet the criteria. Exhibit A, a quote from a Mr Leslie Arnold Reed, a former employee of yours":

" I believe as a group we probably have a choice from the best pool of midfield options in the Premier League."

[ErwinK1961]

3 minutes ago, SuperSAINT said:

Could we not appeal?

Maybe we did/were, but he didnt want to wait? Or maybe we get some encouragement with Salisu, whereas with Sangare they said no chance?

Still seems very inconsistent

[SuperSAINT]

 

[vince]

26 minutes ago, tajjuk said:

Brewster is 20, Che is 24

Swansea were mid table when he joined, he is a large part of the reason they made their play off push.

Brewster has been trained/developed at one of the best clubs in the world under one of the best managers in world (who rates him), Adams came through non-league which is likely why he is a still a bit rough round the edges.

Brewster has been part of probably the most successful England youth sides of all time winning the golden boot at the 2017 U17 World Cup and was voted the 3rd best player at the tournament. 

We paid £15 million for a guy who apart from that one  good season with Brum, has a record of 45 goals in 214 games.  

You are going to tout Adams and dismiss Brewster, whilst ignoring a lot of inconvenient facts. 

All transfers are a gamble, but a very highly rated 20 year old, who has done well at Championship level and has been hugely successful at England youth levels for £20 million is certainly no more of a gamble than a 4 years older, non-league trained player who aside one season had a 1 in 5 scoring record for £15 million. 

Worth noting that he is playing for the same manager at Swansea as he was in that England U17 squad (which I know is also one of the main reasons Guehi went to Swansea)

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4 minutes ago, SuperSAINT said:

 

We will get two or three becomes might get one. It's always the same. Better not be Davies on loan.