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23 minutes ago, Turkish said:

I can, a number of people just on this page saying well if he’s going to PSV then we weren’t interested. PSV are a much bigger and more successful club than us, have a chance to win things every season whereas the best he can hope for with us is midtable and the chance to shop in west quay at the weekend. 

Gotcha. I thought you meant fans were saying they didn't rate him anyway. Hard to say if we were interested. Clubs that scout a player, which we may have, are often mentioned as being interested in order to increase fee/wage. Equally, we may well have been snubbed. As you say, no shame there. PSV are a pretty decent club and we are, well, middling at best. 

Who d'ja fancy us buying to fill the CM spot?

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Matthew Le God

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6 hours ago, Turkish said:

I can, a number of people just on this page saying well if he’s going to PSV then we weren’t interested. PSV are a much bigger and more successful club than us, have a chance to win things every season whereas the best he can hope for with us is midtable and the chance to shop in west quay at the weekend. 

Using what criteria is that relevant to 2020?

- Similar sized stadiums and Saints have larger match day income

- Saints have a better training ground.

- Saints have a far bigger wage budget and transfer budget.

PSV have won leagues and had European success due to being in a league with a tiny number of clubs that can compete with them. Put Saints in the Dutch league and they'd regularly be competing towards the top.

 

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18 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Using what criteria that is relevant to 2020?

- Similar sized stadiums and Saints have larger match day income

- Saints have a better training ground.

- Saints have a far bigger wage budget and transfer budget.

PSV have won leagues and had European success due to being in a league with a tiny number of clubs that can compete with them. Put Saints in the Dutch league and they'd regularly be competing towards the top.

 

I’m not sure getting to a Champions League Semi-Final is down to being in a worse league. 

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6 minutes ago, Appy said:

I’m not sure getting to a Champions League Semi-Final is down to being in a worse league. 

1) That was 15 years ago!

2) Being in a league with few rivals allows them regular opportunity for European football. My point was if Saints were in the Dutch League they'd also be competing towards the top.

3) Is a handful of Europa League games this season really more attractive than 12 Premier League games evety season vs Liverpool, Man City, Man Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea and Spurs?

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1 minute ago, Matthew Le God said:

1) That was 15 years ago!

2) Being in a league with few rivals allows them regular opportunity for European football. My point was if Saints were in the Dutch League theyd also be competing towards the top.

3) Is a handful of Europa League games this season really more attractive than 12 Premier League games evety season vs Liverpool, Man City, Man Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea and Spurs?

15 years ago, what happened to us that season? 

 

Ask any football fan who is a bigger club, 80-90% would say PSV. 

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31 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Using what criteria that is relevant to 2020?

- Similar sized stadiums and Saints have larger match day income

- Saints have a better training ground.

- Saints have a far bigger wage budget and transfer budget.

PSV have won leagues and had European success due to being in a league with a tiny number of clubs that can compete with them. Put Saints in the Dutch league and they'd regularly be competing towards the top.

 

But they aren’t in the Dutch league so your point is irrelevant. 

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4 hours ago, Chez said:

I can't see (m)any posts on here saying they weren't fussed. I can see quite a few annoyed people at missing out and a few saying that we might not have been in for him, but next to no posts saying they weren't that into him.

I'm not that fussed - an opinion based on only watching three youtube videos, so almost worthless - but I've only just posted that, so doesn't really support you post.

Just ignore him, here to besmirch others opinion while offering nothing. Sad and tedious.

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verlaine1979

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3 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

'Bigger club' is a meaningless statement really, it's just about money and even with our issues we could offer more if we wanted to. Celtic are a bigger club and yet we ended up with Forster, Wanyama and Virgil.

 

If a player goes to PSV, we weren't really interested.

Unless the player has an unusually far-sighted manager who thinks it'll be better for his long term chances to shine in a solid PSV side rather than struggle at Saints. Bit like whoever is advising all the young stars to pick Dortmund rather than sit on the bench at Chelsea or City.

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3 hours ago, Matthew Le God said:

Using what criteria that is relevant to 2020?

- Similar sized stadiums and Saints have larger match day income

- Saints have a better training ground.

- Saints have a far bigger wage budget and transfer budget.

PSV have won leagues and had European success due to being in a league with a tiny number of clubs that can compete with them. Put Saints in the Dutch league and they'd regularly be competing towards the top.

 

Qualifying for Europe almost every season perhaps. PSV are a bigger club than we will ever be. The big 3 in Netherlands are as good as if not better than mid table PL, its the rest of that League that is poor. Last time PSV didn't qualify for Europe was 2 years before we won the FA Cup. 

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1 minute ago, VectisSaint said:

Qualifying for Europe almost every season perhaps. PSV are a bigger club than we will ever be. The big 3 in Netherlands are as good as if not better than mid table PL, its the rest of that League that is poor. Last time PSV didn't qualify for Europe was 2 years before we won the FA Cup. 

That didn't answer the question at the start of the post. The last time they didn't qualify for Europe just backs up my point that they are in an extremely weak league.

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Lighthouse

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2 hours ago, verlaine1979 said:

Unless the player has an unusually far-sighted manager who thinks it'll be better for his long term chances to shine in a solid PSV side rather than struggle at Saints. Bit like whoever is advising all the young stars to pick Dortmund rather than sit on the bench at Chelsea or City.

Except he quite obviously wont be sitting on our bench and playing well in even a bottom half Prem team looks better on your CV than playing well against Willem II and De Graafschap.

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9 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Except he quite obviously wont be sitting on our bench and playing well in even a bottom half Prem team looks better on your CV than playing well against Willem II and De Graafschap.

I disagree - domestic success and exposure in Europe is probably more valuable than being associated with a PL relegation candidate.

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1 minute ago, verlaine1979 said:

I disagree - domestic success and exposure in Europe is probably more valuable than being associated with a PL relegation candidate.

I guess we disagree then but he would have played more games against better opponents here than he will for PSV. Also, it didn't harm Peter Crouch when he was here. Or Beattie, Ake, Doucoure, Alan Smith, Kewell, Defoe... you get the idea. Grealish is 10 minutes of dodgy wifi from being on that list too.

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Gordon Mockles

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18 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

Or we need to get the fee for Hoedt first (plus lose a portion of his ages) before we are able to move for anyone.

I would realistically (not sarcastically) imagine we have to bank Hoedt and Boufal’s fees to accompany Reed & the leftover dregs from Højbjerg’s transfer fee (less KWP) before doing anything. That will leave us very little time and less options. It’s the Southampton way. We seem to have become the Premier League tyre kickers.

The comments from the pundits on our transfer policy and season predictions have got worse and worse and they’re not unfair or harsh. It’s saddening. 

It really is our way and I’m trying to avoid my usual transfer intolerance and frustration harvested under Gao. We clearly have no money and neither Gao or Kat are keen to invest. That is their prerogative. No criticism. They do, however, decide how we budget and spend the television revenue and money we sustain in the club infrastructure. I assumed the bridging loan may have contributed. 

When you consider how long we have known Højbjerg was leaving, it ‘feels’ complacent and incompetent and naive in how we have managed the window. Even Ralph appears to be growing tired of the contradictory information we collectively (Ralph included) have been fed. Ralph’s comments about not having any other options on the bench (replacing Che, Armstrong & Romeu last week with Long, Tella & Smallbone) was telling that he felt the quality was not sufficient, in his diplomatic manner. . 

We need to replace like for like and have very few, better quality professionals left. We have some good players and some adequate players and we are yet to judge Salisu as we signed an injured player which I won’t comment on. 

We clearly need a central midfielder and a winger and I hope, within the next week or two,  we sign precisely those positions (and even a defender) because - at the moment - it feels like we’re picking at morsels from the leftovers at the dining table for which we have thrown in a few shillings so we can stand. Like some metaphorical, all you can eat buffet. Only, fat Barry briefcase & Sheikh Barry Bethel (Or Barry Chuckle) have hungrily tucked in first and stuffed their faces, while we diminutively look over their shoulders at the tattered bones, trying & failing to find a gap through to the table. Or, that’s the impression I get. 😆

Maybe I’ve been locked down for too long and my imagination has got the better of me but we seem pretty hopeless. Maybe we would’ve been more successful if we had assigned that player recruitment specialist (or any of the players) we we alluded to last October (or in every transfer window before) but I’m not here to make tiresome, old digs. I just want us to compete effectively and improve the team. Not constantly sell until we are left with a diluted & vastly weaker Saints squad as we saw last week. 

Get Salisu fit. Stick him on the bench. Break protocol & sign a leading, established PL midfielder to inspire & mentor the youth. The last established player we signed worked fairly well. Eh Danny? There are plenty of MF to choose from if you look at Chelsea, Everton & even Liverpool, etc. (Surely Liverpool owe us a favour or are they just one of those selfish types that takes & never gives?!). Then maybe we can stick to the tired, old ‘Southampton way‘ policy  of signing a young, pacey & powerful winger to sell on as soon as he becomes established and performing well. Just make sure the central midfielder who replaces our captain is a box to box leader. A ball winner. A first name on the team sheet...and better at passing than Hojbjerg. 

In the meantime, give us a nice surprise and act decisively, despite it being too late to be classed as that, and bring in a couple of desperately needed, first team starters. Stop signing cheap, inexperienced fringe players. I’m beginning to think that Djenepo will only ever be an impact player. He just never seems to be effective from the start despite fleeting moments. Like Boufal, this is a symptom of our transfer policy rather than a direct criticism of the players, both of whom I like but I think personally fall short. Lemina a similar symptom. He is different in that he has the ability but he is arrogant and absolutely mental. It’s a continuous issue and the fault lies within.

Reiss Nelson from Arsenal a possible but I would prefer more first team experience. Even in another league. Mohamed Mady Camara as a central midfielder from Olympiacos. Not overly keen on Davies but at least he has a lot of Premier League experience which counts for a lot. He can’t be worse at passing than Højbjerg but knowing our budget calibre & history , he probably will be. 

Sorry for the long post. I can’t help it. 

 

 

 

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Gordon Mockles

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10 hours ago, Matthew Le God said:

That didn't answer the question at the start of the post. The last time they didn't qualify for Europe just backs up my point that they are in an extremely weak league.

I think it’s very arrogant to suggest that we are such a brilliant proposition in the Premier League. We are not. We were. It’s also smug to think we are better than everywhere in the world.

Our league is definitely the best & most exciting league in the world *takes off smug hat* 🎩 but be a little humble. 😂 La Liga probably second and the most technical, but there are lots of factors which attract a player to a club outside of money & fame, including the power of their wives or girlfriend and family ties before you even consider the possibility of trophies.

We’ve heard the tired old ‘Champions League’ justification as a metaphor for a big money move but sportsmen in general are competitive and will naturally want to start on and at least play. 

Some of you need to get over the fact that we are not the best club in the league and we are very mediocre and certainly no longer harvest ambition. We seem to have lost a lot of our playing pulling power but, mostly, money talks. You can’t blame the prospective players too much as the club itself hasn’t really professed to want to achieve anything and we sell every player that hits form and, after a while, you wonder what message that sends out to players and agents. People will argue about the money factor which is clearly pertinent but if there is a choice, which club would you go to: Wolves, Leicester, Burnley, Everton, Sheff United, Leeds or Saints. I can think of 4 or 5 better options. 

Keep the faith. We will get someone in and all the club plays games so it’s difficult to know what to believe and what not to but I do get the impression that we are messing around a little. Every club will make silly offers at first but it’s hard to tell what we are doing. I do prefer the days when Cortese would identify the best target and Markus would back the club financially and we would make a sensible offer and get the target. First time. Lambert. Fonte. Etc. Much like buying a house, being decisive doesn’t alienate the selling club & business is done quickly and effectively. It’s also fair to consider Markus tragically didn’t get much chance to do this in the Premier League which is far more expensive than the championship and League one. RIP Markus. Up The Saints. 

I wish we could just sign Ibrahim Konate. Can’t remember if it was mentioned but wasn’t Ralph after signing that polish winger Kamil Jozwiak? He was in the summer and we were tracking him. I think we will probably sign the player you don’t read about rather than all the agent and PR misinformation and propaganda. 

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3 hours ago, Gordon Mockles said:

I wish we could just sign Ibrahim Konate. Can’t remember if it was mentioned but wasn’t Ralph after signing that polish winger Kamil Jozwiak? He was in the summer and we were tracking him. I think we will probably sign the player you don’t read about rather than all the agent and PR misinformation and propaganda. 

Jozwiak signed permanently for Derby 2 weeks ago and played 90 mins today in their 4-0 trouncing by Blackburn. He definitely would not have been the answer.

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On 24/09/2020 at 16:03, Pilchards said:

It sounds so much like we are bargain hunting, Nothing wrong with that but I would rather a player that comes as a starter player rather than another average squad player.

I personally would sell Gunn and Forster and get Butland in as no 1.

Go big on a decent CB and move Jack Stephen’s as a holding midfielder unless you take a loan holding midfielder in.

Don’t need anymore striker options as Che Adams and Djenipo will get better and better.

 

Adams and Djenipo will get better and better? Can we have that in writing, please?

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49 minutes ago, Sarnia Cherie said:

I get fed up with seeing the teams who will be keeping us company in the lower reaches of the Premier League making signings and the effort to improve their squads while our Board just sit back and think everything's great. It isn't!!!

So you've decided to ignore Hasenhuttl saying there will be 2 possibly 3 new signings before the window closes?

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3 minutes ago, skintsaint said:

Set up the winner yesterday...then our way of playing meant him and Ings were basically getting no service. Felt sorry for them two really. We were so shit moving the ball from the back to the front last night.

Yeah I appreciate that but I'm saying it based on the past year not on one match.

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7 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

So you've decided to ignore Hasenhuttl saying there will be 2 possibly 3 new signings begore the window closes?

Seriously you have to believe it when you see it.

I do agree some teams are backing their managers with some good signings and WBA, Leeds, Brighton to name a few will be tough to beat this season.

 

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So...basically a week to go.

With Sangare all but signed by PSV the only real links seem to be Davies, RLC and Sessegnon

The latter would be a great loan to cover Boufal should he leave, but I am concerned that we won't end up signing anyone who is really a no6, unless something turns up that hasnt yet been talked about.

Doubt RLC is a goer anyway for the simple fact that we won't offer to cover all his wages and there will be other teams, the likes of Villa, who will.

Very happy with KWP and Salisu signings but we have known for probably a year that PEH was going to leave, and he did weeks ago, so to be scrambling around in the last week, linked to players who don't appear to fit, isnt a great thing.

Hoping for something that is under the radar.

Preparing for Tom Davies on loan - who Everton ditched because he is crap off the ball and on it.

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28 minutes ago, Dusic said:

So...basically a week to go.

With Sangare all but signed by PSV the only real links seem to be Davies, RLC and Sessegnon

The latter would be a great loan to cover Boufal should he leave, but I am concerned that we won't end up signing anyone who is really a no6, unless something turns up that hasnt yet been talked about.

Doubt RLC is a goer anyway for the simple fact that we won't offer to cover all his wages and there will be other teams, the likes of Villa, who will.

Very happy with KWP and Salisu signings but we have known for probably a year that PEH was going to leave, and he did weeks ago, so to be scrambling around in the last week, linked to players who don't appear to fit, isnt a great thing.

Hoping for something that is under the radar.

Preparing for Tom Davies on loan - who Everton ditched because he is crap off the ball and on it.

Came on yesterday for them so can't be too out of favour. 

I do like RLC but not sure he would suit a 4-2-2-2.. 

A cm to replace Hojbjerg and someone with PL experience player to cover Armstrong would be a good end to the window.. would've liked Hendrick that went to Newcastle 

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1 hour ago, beatlesaint said:

Djenepo maybe, we have seen signs that he has something about him.......Adams, i'm really not so sure

Adams general all round game has been very good this season. His awareness for the goal yesterday was excellent, I listened to the first half on the radio and They were full of praise for him and Ings saying what a great pair they are up front and would cause any team problems. 

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9 minutes ago, skintsaint said:

Lucas Torreira not wanted by Arsenal. Worth a shout maybe.

Not sure he's ever been too suited to the PL to be honest, think we need some height and presence in CM. He wouldn't add that in any way.

He seems a very Italian league style player to me.

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15 minutes ago, saint97 said:

Came on yesterday for them so can't be too out of favour. 

I do like RLC but not sure he would suit a 4-2-2-2.. 

A cm to replace Hojbjerg and someone with PL experience player to cover Armstrong would be a good end to the window.. would've liked Hendrick that went to Newcastle 

RLC is weirdly probably more suited to our wide roles than the 2 pivots.

Pretty sure Villa will get him with more £’s & the JT factor.

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9 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Adams general all round game has been very good this season. His awareness for the goal yesterday was excellent, I listened to the first half on the radio and They were full of praise for him and Ings saying what a great pair they are up front and would cause any team problems. 

He's at least as good as Long. Better technically and less frequently caught offside. Also seems to create a lot of space for Ings and works hard. Don't think he scares defenders from leaving space behind them like Long does, and he doesn't win as much in the air, either.

Overall I think he's a decent player,  his only problem is that he seems to score in clusters then go on extended barren runs.

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2 minutes ago, adriansfc said:

What have people got against him? He's already grown into the role and formed a good partnership with Ings. The season's barely got going but his hold up play and passing have been decent, key role in the goal yesterday and I'm sure he'll score a few.

Haven’t got anything against him, I’m just not sure about him, that’s all.

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