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woodsaint1

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4 hours ago, Matthew Le God said:

He said...

"We deserve relegation"

Based on 2 league games. 

1) The Palace game wasn't terrible, we just couldn't finish. It wasn't a bad performance and it wasn't a good performance. Palace made only 150 passes as the home team!

2) The entire Brentford game was terrible

3) The 2nd half of the Spurs game was terrible due to the defensive line being far too high

So 2020/21 season has seen 45 terrible minutes of Premier League football.

Glass half full assessment if I've ever seen one. Does the club pay you to post on here?

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spyinthesky

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5 hours ago, Saint Garrett said:

We need,

Starting CM,

Depth in the wide positions/starter, Redmond, Djenepo and Armstrong are ok, but we have nothing in those positions off the bench, Tella isn’t there yet

New keeper if we’re going to play this system, Forster or Gunn aren’t the answer either. 

Another CB with pace to partner Salisu

Highly likely we’ll get one CM who won’t end up being first choice...

Salisu.....We have no idea what he is like. Could be another duffer like  Danso or Hoedt

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CB Fry

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Not sure if anyone has read the puff-piece in The Athletic this week.

Presented as a good news story on how the recruitment problems are now over,  and we won't be making those mistakes again (ie Carillo) but really reading it through the piece is like a UK Gold repeat of a Les Reed interview.

Unique black box, planning years ahead for every eventuality (ie Ings replacement), 4 or 5 candidates for every position,we analyse their personality as well as their football skills.

On and on and on. The same old Southampton Way "we're so special and different" delusion.

Meanwhile, Kevin Danso. Meanwhile, what has Djenepo delivered yet? Salisu, we'll see. On paper could be Hoedt, could be Van Dijk.

Meanwhile, we have 5 players for every possible eventuality but today we have a bench of kids and no central midfielder to replace our captain who we all knew was definitely going sometime in March.

The same problems remain - the primary objective is public relations and spin. And spending the barest of bare minimums to scrape buy.

Cut the crap lads. 

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aintforever

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We need a couple of decent signings of this is going to be a right struggle this season. A decent central midfielder is a must, not some kid who we could potentially flog and make some money from in a couple of years, we need someone to come in and do a job now. We've off-loaded Lemina, Reed and PEH so surely they must have someone lined up.

 

 

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Getting rid of a combative cm like Reed looking stupider by the day.  Ash flow must be catastrophic.  Even Ralph saying wings not leaving looks like hi. Doing his dirty washing in public now; really hope he was t using that today as a plea for more funds

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saint1977

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26 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

Not sure if anyone has read the puff-piece in The Athletic this week.

Presented as a good news story on how the recruitment problems are now over,  and we won't be making those mistakes again (ie Carillo) but really reading it through the piece is like a UK Gold repeat of a Les Reed interview.

Unique black box, planning years ahead for every eventuality (ie Ings replacement), 4 or 5 candidates for every position,we analyse their personality as well as their football skills.

On and on and on. The same old Southampton Way "we're so special and different" delusion.

Meanwhile, Kevin Danso. Meanwhile, what has Djenepo delivered yet? Salisu, we'll see. On paper could be Hoedt, could be Van Dijk.

Meanwhile, we have 5 players for every possible eventuality but today we have a bench of kids and no central midfielder to replace our captain who we all knew was definitely going sometime in March.

The same problems remain - the primary objective is public relations and spin. And spending the barest of bare minimums to scrape buy.

Cut the crap lads. 

Yeah, it’s straight out of the Les Reed school of BS and misinformation except we can’t blame the old coot this time as we sacked him in 2018 (at least 2 years too late).

It’s not as if the fans being there or not seems to make any difference to the club or not, no-one seems bothered at the club in the slightest by another abject humiliation, this time with 11 men, or 10 adults and one boy (Smallbone).

We didn’t buy the throw the youth in and BS with Lowe so why this lot? I wouldn’t let Semmens and co run a bath, the LD Sports saga was a disaster. 
Just watched Leicester v Burnley and Dyche has it just as tough as Ralph but they never gave up tonight and made a very good side work for their win. So I’m glad Ralph is having a public go at a spineless board but at least make us hard to beat. You know the back 4 is shit, so defend deep. Dyche has consistently gotten the better of Ralph when we’ve played Burnley as well. They aren’t a long term model for us and we were miles better to watch March-July but show you can be competitive without hefty spending 

Do yourselves a favour and save the money you’d spend on the football when it returns until we have owners and management (excluding Ralph despite his poor start to the season) who believe in us.

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7 hours ago, Matthew Le God said:

He said...

"We deserve relegation"

Based on 2 league games. 

1) The Palace game wasn't terrible, we just couldn't finish. It wasn't a bad performance and it wasn't a good performance. Palace made only 150 passes as the home team!

2) The entire Brentford game was terrible

3) The 2nd half of the Spurs game was terrible due to the defensive line being far too high

So 2020/21 season has seen 45 terrible minutes of Premier League football.

No, read it again. I said we deserve relegation based on 3/4 years of under investment and piss poor recruitment. 

My opinion of this being the season we drop is based on my assessment of the current squad and assumption that Gao will continue to not invest and the 3 games, in which we’ve under performed. 

we’re essentially living in hope that a CB with 2 years professional experience and us buying a capable CM on a shoestring budget are going to save us. 

it was ludicrous to think that players who massively overachieved for 6 months (Stephens, bednerak, Romeu, KWP and even ings and JWP to a Lesser degree) would be able to maintain that form across a whole season. 

 

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S-Clarke

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8 hours ago, Matthew Le God said:

He said...

"We deserve relegation"

Based on 2 league games. 

1) The Palace game wasn't terrible, we just couldn't finish. It wasn't a bad performance and it wasn't a good performance. Palace made only 150 passes as the home team!

2) The entire Brentford game was terrible

3) The 2nd half of the Spurs game was terrible due to the defensive line being far too high

So 2020/21 season has seen 45 terrible minutes of Premier League football.

I thought we were terrible against Palace tbh, lethargic and slow. Palace could have had more than the 1 goal they had.

I'd say we've had about 125 mins of terrible football, only good 45 was the first half today - that's it.

The consistent theme has been the high line. We employed it against Palace and Zaha had a field day, we deployed it again today and Son had a field day.

Self-defeating style shit with players who will never be adept to playing that way.

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Convict Colony

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From ralph's comments over the last week or so he seems to be suggesting that he expects us to get a CM and a winger if Boufal leaves.

I really do think we are waiting for the transfer window sales to begin for clubs who have been hit harder by covid and the window is shortly closing so we get a good player cheaper.

Wouldnt surprise me if we start hearing names again later this week.

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Convict Colony

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Just scouted around and gone through my own personnel scout list to see what happened over the weekend.

- Koopmeiners - played but AZ drew and he seemed to be average in that game

- Mangala (stuttgart) played but they lost and he also seemed to be average in that one as well.

- Laimer (RB Leipzig) a never going to happen signing but apparently the austrian machine has a knee injury.

- Mwepu (RB Salzburg) played well in an easy win at home.

- Also a shout out to Mckennie who played the full game for Juve yesterday.

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S-Clarke

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I'm finding the lack of any links quite concerning to be honest, especially when you see clubs like Fulham going for players that would certainly add what we're missing. Lookman would add a lot of quality out wide, and it's only a loan. No brainer.

But I imagine we'll have to wait until we have a fee for Boufal before we can service a loan.

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benjii

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Unfortunately, it's looking like a fairly strong league this year so let's hope we can make it to 40 points. Mid 30s might not be enough.

All the promoted teams are shipping goals but Leeds and WBA should pick up a few wins along the way.

Fulham will probably go down but may make more of a fist of it than Norwich did.

Who else looks set to have a bad season? West Ham are a mess but they will throw money at it if needed and probably stay up. They might get a good new manager in at some point.

Brighton and Newcastle are probably good enough to stay up.

Sheffield U could plummet down from last year.

Apart from that, it's hard to see anyone being bad enough to go down. The mid table sides like Wolves, Everton, Leicester are far too strong to go down or be close to the scrap. The top 10 or so are as safe as they've ever been. We won't do a Puel and finish 8th with 46 points this year and if we don't start picking up home wins we will really struggle.

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6 minutes ago, The Curse of St Mary's said:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/12724511/southampton-florentino-luis-transfer-hojbjerg/

Florentino Luis 21 year old DM from benfica. If we enter budding war with AC Milan and Fulham then we've no chance. 

£25-30m is the quoted figure for him from previous articles.

Absolute no chance. We won't sign anyone above the £10m mark IMO. I'll eat my words if anything comes of that.

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TWar

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1 hour ago, benjii said:

Unfortunately, it's looking like a fairly strong league this year so let's hope we can make it to 40 points. Mid 30s might not be enough.

I don't think this is true to be honest. Between them the promoted teams have conceded 22 goals between them in 6 combined games averaging a goals conceded of 3.66 goals per game, which is appalling. Also the only one of them who has not lost a game yet is leeds, and it was against Fulham, and it was an absolute shitshow where Leeds almost threw a three goal lead.

On top of this West Ham struggled last year, are doing dreadfully behind the scenes, and have almost certainly weakened. Burnley have been weakened, Brighton haven't meaningfully strengthened aside from signing an injury prone bench warmer and bringing back a youth player on loan for a position they are already over stacked in. Palace have improved and look good but could still easily lose Zaha which would land them in a lot of trouble. Villa have spent a lot of money but not on prem proven players and their new squad could easily struggle to gel.

I think the top of the league has strengthened considerably and making top 8 will be much harder than last season given Evertons spending spree along with most of the established big 6, but the bottom 6-7 teams have most likely gotten weaker.

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3 hours ago, The Curse of St Mary's said:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/12724511/southampton-florentino-luis-transfer-hojbjerg/

Florentino Luis 21 year old DM from benfica. If we enter budding war with AC Milan and Fulham then we've no chance. 

Well, it's a link... Absolute bollocks, though. Unless the club have been keeping a "warchest" secret for months and actually we can throw around £30m on unproven youngsters willy nilly.

 

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Dusic

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Dan Sheldon on TSP suggesting will be loan deals.

Seems a pattern generally for loan with option/obligation and for Saints, given how tight the cash is, those types might work well. All assuming the options are watertight.

He suggested some of the bigger teams will have players that might be freed up for loan moves.

Whilst, as Semmens suggested, in some of the other European leagues teams may come under more financial pressures due to Covid.

Considering we have got in about £25m for Hojbjerg, Reed and some loan fees and spent basically the same on Salisu and KWP - its clear the spend what we generate is about right. Unless we can consistently find rough diamonds and make them £50m players to sell, its going to be hard to become a club that can look up rather than down most seasons when you see what over half the PL can do in terms of spending power. We are one of the longest established PL teams outside the top 6 or 7 but have pretty much the joint lowest record transfer fees, alongside Burnley.

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33 minutes ago, Dusic said:

Dan Sheldon on TSP suggesting will be loan deals.

Seems a pattern generally for loan with option/obligation and for Saints, given how tight the cash is, those types might work well. All assuming the options are watertight.

He suggested some of the bigger teams will have players that might be freed up for loan moves.

Whilst, as Semmens suggested, in some of the other European leagues teams may come under more financial pressures due to Covid.

Considering we have got in about £25m for Hojbjerg, Reed and some loan fees and spent basically the same on Salisu and KWP - its clear the spend what we generate is about right. Unless we can consistently find rough diamonds and make them £50m players to sell, its going to be hard to become a club that can look up rather than down most seasons when you see what over half the PL can do in terms of spending power. We are one of the longest established PL teams outside the top 6 or 7 but have pretty much the joint lowest record transfer fees, alongside Burnley.

There is going to be an almighty scramble towards the end of this window...

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4 hours ago, Dusic said:

Dan Sheldon on TSP suggesting will be loan deals.

Seems a pattern generally for loan with option/obligation and for Saints, given how tight the cash is, those types might work well. All assuming the options are watertight.

He suggested some of the bigger teams will have players that might be freed up for loan moves.

Whilst, as Semmens suggested, in some of the other European leagues teams may come under more financial pressures due to Covid.

Considering we have got in about £25m for Hojbjerg, Reed and some loan fees and spent basically the same on Salisu and KWP - its clear the spend what we generate is about right. Unless we can consistently find rough diamonds and make them £50m players to sell, its going to be hard to become a club that can look up rather than down most seasons when you see what over half the PL can do in terms of spending power. We are one of the longest established PL teams outside the top 6 or 7 but have pretty much the joint lowest record transfer fees, alongside Burnley.

Makes the RLC name drop earlier in this thread a lot more plausible.

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7 hours ago, TWar said:

I don't think this is true to be honest. Between them the promoted teams have conceded 22 goals between them in 6 combined games averaging a goals conceded of 3.66 goals per game, which is appalling.

Have you perchance looked at how many goals per game we've conceded so far?

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40 minutes ago, The Fat Controller said:

We need premier league experience

Chris Smalling ( Loan)

Giroud ( Loan)

Then get the Benfica lad in On permanent Deal

 

Either of those loans would take up any remaining money we have (Wages/loan fee), I'd have thought. We may not even be able to scrimp enough together to get a loan of that profile.

I think we're struggling to get enough finance together for any deal tbh. Sad times really, got to feel sorry for Ralph.

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11 hours ago, verlaine1979 said:

Have you perchance looked at how many goals per game we've conceded so far?

Yeah, 3 goals a game. They have conceded 3.66 on average. And we got smashed in one game. Put it this way, not of the promoted sides have managed to concede less that 3 in a game. I really don't think they are that good. 

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50 minutes ago, danjosaint said:

Shame we can't get rid of 2 keepers and bring in someone like Sergio Romero, now 3rd choice at utd and unlikely to get a game, and for what I've seen is a decent keeper 

Totally agree.

Having 3 average keepers all training together means that one is not getting extra expert training and they all start to show lack of sharpness.

 

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Do you think they've noticed we're pants and need reinforcements or are we skint/caught between buyer and seller standoff? Either way, not good, and if Ralph is 'sending messages' through the teams he picks it is the beginning of the end. Bit like Mourinho was at Chelsea in his final days.

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2 minutes ago, Ivan Katalinic's 'tache said:

From the Twitter-verse:

Record: Talks between Sporting and Southampton over Jovane Cabral are reportedly at an advanced stage. Sporting have been asking consistently for €20M and Southampton may be willing to pay that price.

https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2020/09/22/report-southampton-in-talks-to-sign-18-3m-west-ham-and-fulham-target-all-parties-hopeful/
 

winger not CM

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Saint Garrett

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Nice to have an actual link...sounds like he'd be a Boufal replacement, assuming hes off. Not sure where we're getting the money to fund that though...

Not a CM though.

 

Slightly concerning that his highlight reel consists of him giving the ball away...A LOT.

 

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It's sobering to think that in another era Lawrie McMenemy would, this week, be unveiling Gareth Bale at the Potters Heron (ask your Dad) and giving the whole city a lift. Say what you like about the big Geordie but he knew how to manipulate the Board into thinking big, but I accept these are different times and Southampton fans have been suitably conditioned to feed off comparitive scraps and players that are now bought primarily for potential resale value.

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1 minute ago, Fitzhugh Fella said:

It's sobering to think that in another era Lawrie McMenemy would, this week, be unveiling Gareth Bale at the Potters Heron (ask your Dad) and giving the whole city a lift. Say what you like about the big Geordie but he knew how to manipulate the Board into thinking big, but I accept these are different times and Southampton fans have been suitably conditioned to feed off comparitive scraps and players that are now bought primarily for potential resale value.

Sorry but that's a ridiculous comparison. If Kevin Keegan was on the 1980s equivalent of £600k a week there is no way we would have signed him.... 

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56 minutes ago, Ivan Katalinic's 'tache said:

From the Twitter-verse:

Record: Talks between Sporting and Southampton over Jovane Cabral are reportedly at an advanced stage. Sporting have been asking consistently for €20M and Southampton may be willing to pay that price.

Managed to get behind their paywall by watching a sponsor video.

Southampton is negotiating with Sporting to sign Jovane Cabral, Record knows. Negotiations are well underway and the parties involved believe that they can be successful. As far as it was possible to ascertain, at this time the English emblem is making an effort to reach the 20 million euros required by the green and white SAD, and there is still the possibility of placing a percentage of future sales or added value in the final agreement. .

These details are being worked on, although the Saints have not yet reached the money - for the transfer of Jovane - considered as minimal by the society chaired by Frederico Varandas. What is certain is that they remain very committed to hiring the 22-year-old striker, who took the leap into the limelight after the resumption of Liga NOS, following the stoppage decreed by the Government due to the state of emergency caused by the coronavirus pandemic.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Ivan Katalinic's 'tache said:

From the Twitter-verse:

Record: Talks between Sporting and Southampton over Jovane Cabral are reportedly at an advanced stage. Sporting have been asking consistently for €20M and Southampton may be willing to pay that price.

Fresh after getting battered at the weekend, reports appearing in various outlets about us being in for players, I have no doubt none of these are true and probably planted by the club by feigning interest to various clubs/agents for their players, who promptly release details to the press before we don't follow up and the player moves elsewhere before the club report how difficult it has been to buy players and we end up with someone like Danso on loan.

Me, cynical? never

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19 minutes ago, Millbrook Saint said:

Fresh after getting battered at the weekend, reports appearing in various outlets about us being in for players, I have no doubt none of these are true and probably planted by the club by feigning interest to various clubs/agents for their players, who promptly release details to the press before we don't follow up and the player moves elsewhere before the club report how difficult it has been to buy players and we end up with someone like Danso on loan.

Me, cynical? never

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Dusic

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Hard to see us spending £15m on a wide player and then being able to sort CM as well. But he does sound like a Ralph player from the section on him here:

https://totalfootballanalysis.com/article/youngsters-turned-sporting-cp-around-tactical-analysis-tactics

At this stage in the window things will move fast, but also teams will get used to flush out offers from others, so hard to know what to believe.

It does fit with Semmens suggesting that some of the other European leagues are under more financial pressure so there may be some deals at lower prices than first quoted. This could be an example, whilst seemingly some players in France now seem to be available at reduced fees, including some midfielders that fit our need.

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We've known for some time that we are waiting for shakedown in the food chain. Hoping some quality players become available and at a price we can afford. Spurs already putting some in the shop window. We're going to see reports of players we are interested in as media outlets have to write stuff.

Hold your nerve, guys, we are waiting for Transfer Deadline Days buys and loans.

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12028475/transfer-window-deadline-day-key-dates-and-times-for-summer-2020

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