Pamplemousse Posted 16 August, 2020 Share Posted 16 August, 2020 24 minutes ago, SKD said: Personally, I’m not sure that’s a bad thing. Stephens, vestergaard and Bednerak all pretty average. Indeed. Vestergaard won't be missed, and whilst Stephens and Bednarek had an excellent end of the season, they're not VVD quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 16 August, 2020 Share Posted 16 August, 2020 9 minutes ago, igsey said: For anyone who missed it in the Obafemi thread, LeG (one of our only bonafide ITKs) said "I also believe we could be forced back into the market for another CB. Classic saints im afraid. " Which I would take to mean Bednarek most likely is going, I think he was linked to Chelsea a few weeks ago..? Wonder if that Chelsea rumour was true, means they are missing out on Declan Rice then. We should get a fair bit from Chelsea for Bednarek. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan Posted 16 August, 2020 Share Posted 16 August, 2020 You've not seen the values for centre backs with regular PL experience recently? Bednarek would be 30-40 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 16 August, 2020 Share Posted 16 August, 2020 6 minutes ago, Pamplemousse said: and whilst Stephens and Bednarek had an excellent end of the season, they're not VVD quality. Not many on the planet are at the moment 😬 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Posted 16 August, 2020 Share Posted 16 August, 2020 3 minutes ago, Nolan said: You've not seen the values for centre backs with regular PL experience recently? Bednarek would be 30-40 million. Again - not a pop but I would be stunned if we got 40M for Bed - really would! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Matty 76 Posted 16 August, 2020 Share Posted 16 August, 2020 Would happily get rid of Bednarek for Hinteregger, if we somehow manage to profit on the change as well I'd be delighted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 16 August, 2020 Share Posted 16 August, 2020 Clubs are looking to buy English ... so more likely to be Stephens under offer than Bednarek. We wait to see. To think we have, what, another 7 weeks of this speculation ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 16 August, 2020 Share Posted 16 August, 2020 12 minutes ago, adriansfc said: They're signed Dunk from Brighton. ah, missed that one - how much he go for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 16 August, 2020 Share Posted 16 August, 2020 (edited) 27 minutes ago, adriansfc said: They're signed Dunk from Brighton. 14 minutes ago, skintsaint said: ah, missed that one - how much he go for? He is currently a Brighton player. The Chelsea link is a rumour in today's papers. Edited 16 August, 2020 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwertyell Posted 16 August, 2020 Share Posted 16 August, 2020 1 hour ago, SKD said: Personally, I’m not sure that’s a bad thing. Stephens, vestergaard and Bednerak all pretty average. Unless it's Salisu leaving/not arriving for some reason. Work Permit cock up? Third party ownership problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 16 August, 2020 Share Posted 16 August, 2020 1 minute ago, qwertyell said: Unless it's Salisu leaving/not arriving for some reason. Work Permit cock up? Third party ownership problem? Imagine the meltdown...😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webby Posted 16 August, 2020 Share Posted 16 August, 2020 What would we expect to get for Bednarek? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 16 August, 2020 Share Posted 16 August, 2020 4 minutes ago, Webby said: What would we expect to get for Bednarek? £15m IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stknowle Posted 16 August, 2020 Share Posted 16 August, 2020 1 hour ago, Pamplemousse said: Indeed. Vestergaard won't be missed, and whilst Stephens and Bednarek had an excellent end of the season, they're not VVD quality. Well no, they are clearly not VVD quality but with him being arguably the best centre back in the world that still allows scope for them being kind of decent. Like Jan a lot and would be disappointed to see him go but if someone comes knocking with a silly offer then doubtless we'll take it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 16 August, 2020 Share Posted 16 August, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, trousers said: £15m IMO He is worth considerably more than that. He is 24 years old and is a regular starter for Poland/a mid table Premier League team and has 2 years left of his contract. £15m to £20m is the price of a good Championship centre back. If Chelsea really do want him then that highlights his quality is far above Championship level. Edited 16 August, 2020 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danjosaint Posted 16 August, 2020 Share Posted 16 August, 2020 Maybe liverpool have put in an offer for Salisu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webby Posted 16 August, 2020 Share Posted 16 August, 2020 4 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: He is worth considerably more than that. He is 24 years old and is a regular starter for Poland/a mid table Premier League team and has 2 years left of his contract. £15m is the price of a Championship centre back. If Chelsea really do want him then that highlights his quality is far above Championship level. Agreed. I’d say closer to 35m tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igsey Posted 16 August, 2020 Share Posted 16 August, 2020 If Brighton want £40m for Dunk then I would want £30m for Bed. Realistically it's more likely to be £20m though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintsFan86 Posted 16 August, 2020 Share Posted 16 August, 2020 5 minutes ago, igsey said: If Brighton want £40m for Dunk then I would want £30m for Bed. Realistically it's more likely to be £20m though. Brighton to Sign Vestergaard for 20?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry_SFC Posted 16 August, 2020 Share Posted 16 August, 2020 If, for whatever reason, Bednarek doesn't sign a new contract then ideally we need to sell him this summer. £25 million is a fair price in my opinion. Wait another season and it's half that at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 16 August, 2020 Share Posted 16 August, 2020 I really don’t think any of the CBs we’ve watched this season ave been anything other than average. As well as we ended the season, JB and JS are both prone to the odd clanger, ball watching and some bizarre positional choices at times. CB is our weakest position and I wouldn’t shed a tear over any of them leaving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 16 August, 2020 Share Posted 16 August, 2020 44 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: He is worth considerably more than that. He is 24 years old and is a regular starter for Poland/a mid table Premier League team and has 2 years left of his contract. £15m to £20m is the price of a good Championship centre back. If Chelsea really do want him then that highlights his quality is far above Championship level. It was an opinion. Opinions can be wrong, ergo I'm happy to be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan Posted 16 August, 2020 Share Posted 16 August, 2020 Ake was 40 mil, Mings was 20 mil last season. Vestergaard to Leicester for 28 million was a story in January. Bednarek has to be worth more than Vestergaard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 16 August, 2020 Share Posted 16 August, 2020 54 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: He is worth considerably more than that. He is 24 years old and is a regular starter for Poland/a mid table Premier League team and has 2 years left of his contract. £15m to £20m is the price of a good Championship centre back. If Chelsea really do want him then that highlights his quality is far above Championship level. Agree with what you say about his valuation, but the contract issue is probably the critical issue having seen Hojbjerg's transfer fee reduced by being in his final year I doubt the club want to see the same happening with Bednarek if he's not shown a willingness to extend. 49 minutes ago, Webby said: Agreed. I’d say closer to 35m tbh But we're Saints, and doubt we'll extract the full value. Can't see him going to a big 6 although perhaps Leicester have stumbled across him as an alternative to Vestergaard. Now that would be galling to lose Bednarek, and end up with that plank still here. But as Lighthouse says none of the CB's have been that reliable this season, so not too attached to any of them leaving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 16 August, 2020 Share Posted 16 August, 2020 27 minutes ago, Badger said: But we're Saints, and doubt we'll extract the full value. Saints got a world record fee for a teenager with Shaw and a world record for a defender with van Dijk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarvSFC Posted 16 August, 2020 Share Posted 16 August, 2020 We signed Vestergaard for £18m, no way should Bednarek be valued lower than him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Posted 16 August, 2020 Share Posted 16 August, 2020 59 minutes ago, trousers said: It was an opinion. Opinions can be wrong, ergo I'm happy to be wrong. Behave - you're not supposed to have those on here 🙂 I'd still settle for 10M for Bed - even though it's not my money or call! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 16 August, 2020 Share Posted 16 August, 2020 3 hours ago, Red said: Not having a go - it's all about opinions at the end of the day after all, but I can't see how MO is worth anywhere near 20M? I would take 10M for him and 8M for Reed, and if Bednerak can be shifted for 10M, then get Hinterlagger (or whatever his name is) and I think we would be sorted. MO will not be a regular in our team anytime soon (not less than 3 years at minimum). A decent box to box MF would be cherry on top, but none of the one's mentioned so far, and I think we would be priced out of a decent upcoming one. Would take a punt on Ramsey on a pay per play deal (yea get he's not our profile and all that, but for a year or two he would be good and might coach WS etc.) Surely its vestergard we should be looking to shift over bednerak? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevy777_x Posted 16 August, 2020 Share Posted 16 August, 2020 We need money to strenghen so whatever goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 16 August, 2020 Share Posted 16 August, 2020 14 minutes ago, Mr X said: Surely its vestergard we should be looking to shift over bednerak? We probably are, but of the two players Bednarek is the one more likely to attract interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 16 August, 2020 Share Posted 16 August, 2020 4 hours ago, S-Clarke said: Do you mean Chris Woods from Burnley? Agree, not our sort of signing in playing style. https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/12415983/burnley-chris-wood-transfer-lazio-serie-a/amp/ yes that’s the one . A link for the pedantic children Chris Wood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellman Posted 16 August, 2020 Share Posted 16 August, 2020 Will be sorry in Bednarek goes. he had a hard time under Hughes who kept him on the bench but he has made a good pasrtnership with Jack S since Ralph arrived, while Vestergaard is the spare part, not Bednarek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 16 August, 2020 Share Posted 16 August, 2020 Heavens above, it won't be Bednarek. If anyone is going, it will either be Stephens or Vester. JS is English so is in demand, and Vester is second fiddle and would want to be first choice. Jan B will be staying. If I'm wrong, you can pelt me with words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 16 August, 2020 Share Posted 16 August, 2020 1 minute ago, the saint in winchester said: Heavens above, it won't be Bednarek. If anyone is going, it will either be Stephens or Vester. JS is English so is in demand, and Vester is second fiddle and would want to be first choice. Jan B will be staying. If I'm wrong, you can pelt me with words. Of the three, which one do you think has the ambition, and is more likely to believe they could be playing CL ? Similarly which one is more likely to be in demand elsewhere? Not sure the 'English premium' is sufficient to change that. If so, perhaps we can also flog Forster, Redmond and Adams for £30m each. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 16 August, 2020 Share Posted 16 August, 2020 2 hours ago, Lighthouse said: I really don’t think any of the CBs we’ve watched this season ave been anything other than average. As well as we ended the season, JB and JS are both prone to the odd clanger, ball watching and some bizarre positional choices at times. CB is our weakest position and I wouldn’t shed a tear over any of them leaving. Same. They have both improved, Stephens especially, but niether are that good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 16 August, 2020 Share Posted 16 August, 2020 Where did the Bednarek / Chelsea rumour start? I had a vague memory of an interview he did where he spoke about moving to a "bigger club". This is from January 2019, FYI: ---------------------------- “I would be stupid if I was thinking about the transfer because I played eight games. I have to build my brand here and now, be a starting player for the whole season and only then, possibly, I can think about the next step,” he said. “You cannot jump to another shelf immediately, because you will fall from it. If I follow these steps, it may be a consequence to go to a bigger club. “It does not matter what will happen in a month, two or three. I do not bother thinking about it. The most important thing is that I play well and work hard. Maybe someday I will get a reward for it, today I do not know what yet, but some reward will come.” Source: http://sportwitness.co.uk/southampton-player-hopeful-reward-will-come-form-transfer-another-club/ ---------------------------- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan Posted 16 August, 2020 Share Posted 16 August, 2020 On 08/08/2020 at 13:58, NorthLondonSFC said: Mate of mine is involved with Chelsea, sent me a message today saying they’ve put an offer in for Bednarek. From here.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 16 August, 2020 Share Posted 16 August, 2020 (edited) On 15/07/2020 at 14:06, SuperSAINT said: Darwin Nuñez?http://sportwitness.co.uk/southampton-shown-concrete-interest-uruguay-international-club-want-e20m/ Not seen the link, but apparently CalcioMercato is saying we've put a bid in. Source: https://www.calciomercato.it/2020/08/16/calciomercato-napoli-roma-nunez-southampton/ Edited 16 August, 2020 by SuperSAINT Link added Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 16 August, 2020 Share Posted 16 August, 2020 9 minutes ago, Nolan said: From here.... Cheers, Nolan. #ITK_Watch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefizzy14 Posted 16 August, 2020 Share Posted 16 August, 2020 https://transfernexus.com/2020/08/16/southampton-join-wolfsburg-in-making-darwin-nunez-bid/?amp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 17 August, 2020 Share Posted 17 August, 2020 Can't see any rumours for either Bednerak or Stephens anywhere, you'd think there would be some if there was some truth in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarvSFC Posted 17 August, 2020 Share Posted 17 August, 2020 Chelsea want Dunk AND Stones, according to the paper talk today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 17 August, 2020 Share Posted 17 August, 2020 Are we still worried that if Chilwell goes for a big money move then Leicester come in for Bertrand or has he signed a new contract yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 17 August, 2020 Share Posted 17 August, 2020 11 hours ago, SuperSAINT said: Not seen the link, but apparently CalcioMercato is saying we've put a bid in. Source: https://www.calciomercato.it/2020/08/16/calciomercato-napoli-roma-nunez-southampton/ Is he any good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 17 August, 2020 Share Posted 17 August, 2020 22 minutes ago, HarvSFC said: Chelsea want Dunk AND Stones, according to the paper talk today. Stones - if there’s any truth in that I would be biting their hand off if I was Man City Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 17 August, 2020 Share Posted 17 August, 2020 23 minutes ago, Saint Garrett said: Is he any good? Very highly rated apparently. I saw an article ages ago (we were linked a few months back too) and he was looked at as being the 'new' Cavani (maybe that's because he's Uruguayann). Got a low release clause as Almeria weren't promoted I don't think. Big clubs like Napoli, Dortmund and Roma have sniffed/are sniffing as well as Wolfsburg, and they're no mugs when it comes to identifying talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwertyell Posted 17 August, 2020 Share Posted 17 August, 2020 Oliver Skipp going to Norwich on loan. Some tenuous links to him when we were negotiating Hoj/KWP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwbu Posted 17 August, 2020 Share Posted 17 August, 2020 14 minutes ago, S-Clarke said: Very highly rated apparently. I saw an article ages ago (we were linked a few months back too) and he was looked at as being the 'new' Cavani (maybe that's because he's Uruguayann). Got a low release clause as Almeria weren't promoted I don't think. Big clubs like Napoli, Dortmund and Roma have sniffed/are sniffing as well as Wolfsburg, and they're no mugs when it comes to identifying talent. Interesting the Cavani comparison - just looked and Nunez is about 6’2. Links to Chris Wood yesterday (probably false) but wasn’t it said Ralph’s style normally incorporates a big CF for players to play off. Poulsen at Leipzig springs to mind. These links to big CF’s may not be a coincidence... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 17 August, 2020 Share Posted 17 August, 2020 Bednarek's partnership with Stephens has been a major reason for our success. Much better to keep them. Offer B a big upgrade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wsaint Posted 17 August, 2020 Share Posted 17 August, 2020 Joe Hart to spurs on a free, could be a laugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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