ErwinK1961 Posted 26 June, 2020 Posted 26 June, 2020 On 26/06/2020 at 21:20, stevy777_x said: If you accept lower fees then our asking price, of course we can make them leave. 2 summers ago and last summer we were playing hard ball With our asking Price and then when there was no other choice we loaned him in the last days of the transfer window. We signed him for 20 million and Didn t want to make too much of a loss thinking his value would maybe increase as he would do well in his loan spell. we should have just swallowed our pride and accepted a lower, it would have made more financial sense. As for Lemina, he has had a good season in Turkey, there will be plenty of suitors for him on permanent deal. loaning them now and not waiting how the market will be is ridiculous, it has hardly got going yet. there will be some player movement later on. Am i in the real world Expand I’m afraid not.
Glasses Posted 27 June, 2020 Posted 27 June, 2020 Going to guess the ins are likely going to be on this level (which I wouldn't mind tbh): Lallana KWP Ntcham If Bournemouth go down that Brooks guy might be worth a look at? (if some money is found down the back of a sofa)
danjosaint Posted 27 June, 2020 Posted 27 June, 2020 On 27/06/2020 at 02:03, Glasses said: Going to guess the ins are likely going to be on this level (which I wouldn't mind tbh): Lallana KWP Ntcham If Bournemouth go down that Brooks guy might be worth a look at? (if some money is found down the back of a sofa) Expand If that's our transfer business then we deserve to go down nxt season
Dusic Posted 27 June, 2020 Posted 27 June, 2020 (edited) Hasenhuttl pretty clear in part two of yesterdays presser that we will be active in the positions that are a problem for us (RB and CB) plus needing to replace Hojbjerg. He also said of KWP something along the lines of him being hard to sign permanently, presumably because his price is unrealistic, but that he will get a chance to play. Interesting that is now near the end of June and no sign of the RB we identified (presumably Zeefuik). https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/18492337.soutampton-want-bolster-ralph-hasenhuttls-defensive-options-month/ Edited 27 June, 2020 by Dusic
Saint_Tony Posted 27 June, 2020 Posted 27 June, 2020 Has to be the defence that gets sorted first. Bednarek and Bertrand are our only 2 PL quality players at the back, which highlights what a job Ralph has done. The likes of Stephens and Valery will never be good enough for this level.
TWar Posted 27 June, 2020 Posted 27 June, 2020 May be optimistic but I think we may see our ins as: Salisu/Disasi Ntcham KWP/another rightback and a new young unproven attacking midfield to replace Boufal. Out hopefully: Forster Moi Hojbjerg Vestergaard Boufal
SuperSAINT Posted 27 June, 2020 Posted 27 June, 2020 On 27/06/2020 at 09:44, TWar said: May be optimistic but I think we may see our ins as: Salisu/Disasi Ntcham KWP/another rightback and a new young unproven attacking midfield to replace Boufal. Out hopefully: Forster Moi Hojbjerg Vestergaard Boufal Expand You def need to add Hoedt & Lemina to your outgoings
TWar Posted 27 June, 2020 Posted 27 June, 2020 On 27/06/2020 at 10:06, SuperSAINT said: You def need to add Hoedt & Lemina to your outgoings Expand I was trying to only list permanent outgoings, I see both of them getting loaned out again.
Shroppie Posted 27 June, 2020 Posted 27 June, 2020 On 26/06/2020 at 22:19, LeG said: I think we may take another look at Lemina. Expand I'm not so sure. I think there's a serious question of whether his attitude is ever going to be right. I've good reason to believe he's the club's biggest problem..
Wade Garrett Posted 27 June, 2020 Posted 27 June, 2020 On 26/06/2020 at 18:32, bpsaint said: I’d fucking love it if Saints just went out and bought someone’s first team keeper, someone with a decent reputation, not some bench warmer or flappy handed addition to our current crop of under achievers. Anyone know of any teams with a solid first choice that we could realistically get? Expand Ben Foster if Watford go down.
Lord Duckhunter Posted 27 June, 2020 Posted 27 June, 2020 On 26/06/2020 at 22:19, LeG said: I think we may take another look at Lemina. Expand Has there ever been a player we’ve shipped out, but then give it another go and he turns it around. Recently, it’s been Clasie, Gaston, Boufal, nobody ever seem to “come good”.
Badger Posted 27 June, 2020 Posted 27 June, 2020 On 27/06/2020 at 19:26, Lord Duckhunter said: Has there ever been a player we’ve shipped out, but then give it another go and he turns it around. Recently, it’s been Clasie, Gaston, Boufal, nobody ever seem to “come good”. Expand Puncheon to a limited degree, although before our promotion.
SKD Posted 27 June, 2020 Posted 27 June, 2020 On 27/06/2020 at 19:26, Lord Duckhunter said: Has there ever been a player we’ve shipped out, but then give it another go and he turns it around. Recently, it’s been Clasie, Gaston, Boufal, nobody ever seem to “come good”. Expand The Difference here is that Lemina is clearly has ability and is suited to the PL. wether or not he’s suited to Ralph’s style or has the attitude to give it a go is a different matter and probably won’t know until you chuck him in.
Lord Duckhunter Posted 27 June, 2020 Posted 27 June, 2020 (edited) On 27/06/2020 at 19:35, SKD said: The Difference here is that Lemina is clearly has ability and is suited to the PL. wether or not he’s suited to Ralph’s style or has the attitude to give it a go is a different matter and probably won’t know until you chuck him in. Expand Oh god. Not another one that “clearly has ability”. like Gaston & Boufal I’ll judge him in a saints shirt, and he’s been a monumental waste of money, like those 2. Throw in his apparent attitude problem, and it’s a no from me. Edited 27 June, 2020 by Lord Duckhunter
ErwinK1961 Posted 27 June, 2020 Posted 27 June, 2020 https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/11971686/southampton-fraser-forster-celtic-ntcham/amp/
bpsaint Posted 27 June, 2020 Posted 27 June, 2020 On 27/06/2020 at 18:17, Wade Garrett said: Ben Foster if Watford go down. Expand He’s just signed a new deal, so it would either be a no or a big money fee
skintsaint Posted 28 June, 2020 Posted 28 June, 2020 On 27/06/2020 at 18:17, Wade Garrett said: Ben Foster if Watford go down. Expand 37 now and has improved with age, not sure he will be on our radar though.
SuperSAINT Posted 28 June, 2020 Posted 28 June, 2020 On 27/06/2020 at 22:41, ErwinK1961 said: https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/11971686/southampton-fraser-forster-celtic-ntcham/amp/ Expand If anything shows the levels of how difficult it is to shift them permanently, it’s the 15k a week they were paying FF!
labibs Posted 28 June, 2020 Posted 28 June, 2020 On 26/06/2020 at 18:44, Badger said: Can't think of one from the EPL, in previous years the bottom 3 might have been a recruiting ground but nothing special there, although the Bournemouth young keeper has ahd some good reviews. Championship ? Bentley at Bristol City was considered a decent prospect a few years ago, no idea if he's living up to that. Has Butland recovered from his wobble now ? Not sure he's an improvement on Gunn. Hope Ralph can raid the Bundesliga. Irrespective of where a new GK might be recruited from, a bigger challenge might be offloading one of the current ones. Expand Bentley started the season well, but has dropped off as season went on. Was very poor and culpable for several goals in their recent loss at Blackburn. Would be no from me
tajjuk Posted 28 June, 2020 Posted 28 June, 2020 Ntcham not being a regular at Celtic seems a worry to me, is that just Lennon being a bit of an old fashioned manager/different system that he doesn't fit into?
TWar Posted 28 June, 2020 Posted 28 June, 2020 On 28/06/2020 at 10:01, tajjuk said: Ntcham not being a regular at Celtic seems a worry to me, is that just Lennon being a bit of an old fashioned manager/different system that he doesn't fit into? Expand Armstrong wasn't a regular either to be fair, and he has been doing great.
tajjuk Posted 28 June, 2020 Posted 28 June, 2020 On 28/06/2020 at 10:28, TWar said: Armstrong wasn't a regular either to be fair, and he has been doing great. Expand True, though he took a little while to work his way in. Just find it odd that according to that article Celtic 'rate him highly' but aren't playing him, just wondered what the issues were.
SuperSAINT Posted 28 June, 2020 Posted 28 June, 2020 On 28/06/2020 at 10:30, tajjuk said: True, though he took a little while to work his way in. Just find it odd that according to that article Celtic 'rate him highly' but aren't playing him, just wondered what the issues were. Expand Maybe it’s tactical. Not sure. Porto wanted him for big money a year or so ago, which Celtic rejected. Maybe we can get him cheaper if we pay the majority of FF’s wages.
stevy777_x Posted 28 June, 2020 Posted 28 June, 2020 On 28/06/2020 at 07:18, SuperSAINT said: If anything shows the levels of how difficult it is to shift them permanently, it’s the 15k a week they were paying FF! Expand Well Noone wanted to touch FF last summer, clubs weren t even sure about his mental state, this summer there will be suitors for a permanent deal. Lemina, I reckon we should have loaned him to Wolves even if they were not prepared to buy him the following summer, it would have driven his price up. Having a good season in the turkish league, there will be suitors but maybe not at the price we are looking for. Still think it is better to take a hit than to let him leave on loan again as he will only have one year left summer and his price will plummet. As for Carillo, no one will want to pay a fee for him now, so it will come down to either doing another loan till his contract runs out next summer or terminating his contract whatever is the cheaper option for us. I m sure there will be suitors for Hoedt and Elyounoussi but not at the price we want, it is still better than letting them leave on loan again.
Badger Posted 28 June, 2020 Posted 28 June, 2020 On 28/06/2020 at 10:30, tajjuk said: True, though he took a little while to work his way in. Just find it odd that according to that article Celtic 'rate him highly' but aren't playing him, just wondered what the issues were. Expand I read one article - posted on the site before the changeover so it may be on here or not - where Celtic fans were highly critical of him giving a half hearted performance in an important CL match. Although VD, and Wanyama, even Forster came here with good reputations, there isn't a lot to get excited about in this signing if it happens. Went to Man City at an younf age but has been farmed out by them ever since. Of course it's difficult to force your way into things there as a younf player, and some leave to make it elsewhere, Trippier for example, but he then had a decent record at Burnley. Ntcham looks bang average from his record to date.
washsaint Posted 28 June, 2020 Posted 28 June, 2020 Yes but VVD came to Saints with many doubting his mindset (not his ability) as he switched off in games in Scotland and was prone to silly errors. PLaying in a more competitive league with better players allowed VVD to thrive and become the player he is now: we can't afford to buy "perfect" players and it does not fit well into our model. Look at the disastrous buys we have made trying to buy "ready made" players: Lemina, Hoedt, Vestegaard, Elyounoussi, Carillo, etc
Badger Posted 28 June, 2020 Posted 28 June, 2020 On 28/06/2020 at 12:05, washsaint said: Yes but VVD came to Saints with many doubting his mindset (not his ability) as he switched off in games in Scotland and was prone to silly errors. PLaying in a more competitive league with better players allowed VVD to thrive and become the player he is now: we can't afford to buy "perfect" players and it does not fit well into our model. Look at the disastrous buys we have made trying to buy "ready made" players: Lemina, Hoedt, Vestegaard, Elyounoussi, Carillo, etc Expand True, but both VD and Wanyama were recognised regulars at Parkhead even if there remained a question over whether they could 'step up' into our league. Same can't be said of Ntacham.
Matthew Le God Posted 28 June, 2020 Posted 28 June, 2020 On 28/06/2020 at 12:17, Badger said: True, but both VD and Wanyama were recognised regulars at Parkhead even if there remained a question over whether they could 'step up' into our league. Same can't be said of Ntacham. Expand Ntcham played in 22 of their 30 league games this season, plus he played in 11 European games this season.
Baird of the land Posted 28 June, 2020 Posted 28 June, 2020 On 26/06/2020 at 18:44, Badger said: Can't think of one from the EPL, in previous years the bottom 3 might have been a recruiting ground but nothing special there, although the Bournemouth young keeper has ahd some good reviews. Championship ? Bentley at Bristol City was considered a decent prospect a few years ago, no idea if he's living up to that. Has Butland recovered from his wobble now ? Not sure he's an improvement on Gunn. Hope Ralph can raid the Bundesliga. Irrespective of where a new GK might be recruited from, a bigger challenge might be offloading one of the current ones. Expand We would have to offload two not one. we barely managed to shift one out on loan this season, so a new keeper is a massive no from me. our limited transfer budget is needed elsewhere.
Chapel End Posted 28 June, 2020 Posted 28 June, 2020 https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/celtic-asked-oliver-ntcham-swap-22265600
hypochondriac Posted 28 June, 2020 Posted 28 June, 2020 On 28/06/2020 at 13:00, Chapel End said: https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/celtic-asked-oliver-ntcham-swap-22265600 Expand Sounds like that could suit both parties.
S-Clarke Posted 28 June, 2020 Posted 28 June, 2020 (edited) Quote Yup got to agree, on his day he is an absolute beast of a player that can do it all. I wouldn’t be selling him yet tbh as he could be a massive player in the push for the 10, he always pops up with important goals aswell. Ntcham when he wants is the best technical player on our team without a doubt. The fact he gets by without playing at full capacity, I think he knows he’s too good for the league so just turns it on when he feels like it. Think he has as high a ceiling of what Eddy and dembele can reach It’s just whether he wants to haha. Frustrating, but I think if we sold him for under 10 mil to the prem it would then be such a regret cos he’d probably then have the motivation to put in those consistent performances being in a bigger league. Think we should take a good offer this summer if we get it, only because of the consistency. We would miss his quality Expand Couple of Celtic views on him, they don't doubt his quality or ability - just inconsistent. CCou Edited 28 June, 2020 by S-Clarke
hypochondriac Posted 28 June, 2020 Posted 28 June, 2020 On 28/06/2020 at 13:11, S-Clarke said: Couple of Celtic views on him, they don't doubt his quality or ability - just inconsistent. CCou Expand Sounds perfect for us to be honest. Hope it happens.
HarvSFC Posted 28 June, 2020 Posted 28 June, 2020 Aren’t these the types of attitudes we should be avoiding?
Dark Munster Posted 28 June, 2020 Posted 28 June, 2020 (edited) On 28/06/2020 at 14:41, HarvSFC said: Aren’t these the types of attitudes we should be avoiding? Expand Good point. Lemina comes to mind, to name just one. That being said, probably worth the risk if it means offloading FF. Edited 28 June, 2020 by Dark Munster
Dusic Posted 28 June, 2020 Posted 28 June, 2020 (edited) On 28/06/2020 at 14:41, HarvSFC said: Aren’t these the types of attitudes we should be avoiding? Expand Is inconsistency always down to having a bad attitude? There can be many reasons for it, and its the nature of the marketnwe shop in. Every player will have certain question marks - otherwise a better team than us would have already bought them. Edited 28 June, 2020 by Dusic
hypochondriac Posted 28 June, 2020 Posted 28 June, 2020 On 28/06/2020 at 14:41, HarvSFC said: Aren’t these the types of attitudes we should be avoiding? Expand A lot of what they've said is just fan speculation. Maybe he finds it difficult to get motivated in the spl and would turn it on more in the best league.
ErwinK1961 Posted 29 June, 2020 Posted 29 June, 2020 Has anyone watched a fair amount of Ntcham or know what type of CM he is? I had a quick look on the (ever reliable) Youtube and some highlights. Seems a neat passer of the ball, bit of skill, seems to pop up on the edge of the box and score a few goals. Didn't strike me as much of a ball winner/interceptor or particularly combative. Whilst I'm not a big PEH fan, when he does go I think we'll miss that energy in the middle and it will need to be replaced (hopefully with someone that can do that AND pass forwards). Just interested to see if Ntcham is that type of player?
trousers Posted 29 June, 2020 Posted 29 June, 2020 On 29/06/2020 at 15:52, ErwinK1961 said: Has anyone watched a fair amount of Ntcham or know what type of CM he is? I had a quick look on the (ever reliable) Youtube and some highlights. Seems a neat passer of the ball, bit of skill, seems to pop up on the edge of the box and score a few goals. Didn't strike me as much of a ball winner/interceptor or particularly combative. Whilst I'm not a big PEH fan, when he does go I think we'll miss that energy in the middle and it will need to be replaced (hopefully with someone that can do that AND pass forwards). Just interested to see if Ntcham is that type of player? Expand West Ham fans seemed to rate him when they were linked with him in January (I'm not sure if endorsement by West Ham fans can be considered a good or bad thing though!)https://www.hammers.news/transfer-news/west-ham-fans-react-to-links-with-celtic-ace-olivier-ntcham/
SuperSAINT Posted 29 June, 2020 Posted 29 June, 2020 (edited) Southampton enter the race to sign Arsenal starlet Folarin Balogun: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8472453/Southampton-enter-race-sign-Arsenal-starlet-Folarin-Balogun.html Edited 29 June, 2020 by SuperSAINT
SuperSAINT Posted 30 June, 2020 Posted 30 June, 2020 On 29/06/2020 at 21:44, SuperSAINT said: Southampton enter the race to sign Arsenal starlet Folarin Balogun: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8472453/Southampton-enter-race-sign-Arsenal-starlet-Folarin-Balogun.html Expand We aren’t going to be flush with cash this summer, but these sort of signings are the sort we should always try to budget for.
The Curse of St Mary's Posted 30 June, 2020 Posted 30 June, 2020 Elynoussi has decided to stay on loan at Celtic for another season according to the same journo who broke the story on him joining us in the first place
Harry_SFC Posted 30 June, 2020 Posted 30 June, 2020 On 30/06/2020 at 12:38, skintsaint said: need to have a yoootube on him. Expand Looks like a very decent finisher
UpweySaint Posted 30 June, 2020 Posted 30 June, 2020 On 30/06/2020 at 13:11, The Curse of St Mary's said: Elynoussi has decided to stay on loan at Celtic for another season according to the same journo who broke the story on him joining us in the first place Expand Elyounoussi + Forster for Ntcham or Ajer would do for me. Get both off the wage bill, take the hit on any fees, gain a good player in a position we need to strengthen. Celtic not having to pay fees for both should hopefully free up some room to pay them a competitive wage. It doesn't seem likely I know ... the big wages we have our outcasts in seems to be a real anchor in shifting any of them on!
MarkSFC Posted 30 June, 2020 Posted 30 June, 2020 On 30/06/2020 at 12:38, skintsaint said: need to have a yoootube on him. Expand crikey....he looks exciting...comfortable with both feet at that age....something Michael Owen for one never was. If we get this kid ahead of others I would regard that asa coup based on that video..
skintsaint Posted 30 June, 2020 Posted 30 June, 2020 Looks a better player than Obafemi already..but lots of players look good at youth level....could he make the step up?
Badger Posted 30 June, 2020 Posted 30 June, 2020 On 30/06/2020 at 13:32, UpweySaint said: Elyounoussi + Forster for Ntcham or Ajer would do for me. Expand Ajer would be better although he's likely to have better options, and possibly chance to join Brendan at Leicester.
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