norwaysaint Posted 12 January, 2020 Share Posted 12 January, 2020 Plenty of things you can put it down to, which do you favour? We were always a good team, with decent players and a decent manager, but we were in a slump of form and morale? We're an average team with a decent manager, enjoying a good run of form and morale, enjoy it while it lasts? Danny Ings isn't injured? We've finally found the best defensive line up and formation and it's actually very good? Ralph was trying to be too clever, but now he's doing the simple things well and playing players where they belong? Several suppoerters have finally managed to sort out their lucky tics, realising which is the right way to walk to the stadium, which underpants to wear and when to leave the room to get a cup of tea. If they keep this up, we'll never lose again? Something else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 12 January, 2020 Share Posted 12 January, 2020 Plenty of things you can put it down to, which do you favour? We were always a good team, with decent players and a decent manager, but we were in a slump of form and morale? We're an average team with a decent manager, enjoying a good run of form and morale, enjoy it while it lasts? Danny Ings isn't injured? We've finally found the best defensive line up and formation and it's actually very good? Ralph was trying to be too clever, but now he's doing the simple things well and playing players where they belong? Several suppoerters have finally managed to sort out their lucky tics, realising which is the right way to walk to the stadium, which underpants to wear and when to leave the room to get a cup of tea. If they keep this up, we'll never lose again? Something else? The influence of RK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 12 January, 2020 Share Posted 12 January, 2020 Stopping just aimlessly passing about at the back, reducing possession into the 40% region, higher tempo, hard pressing, pace up front and getting the ball up quickly to them at the same time allowing our defenders to outnumber opponents attackers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 12 January, 2020 Author Share Posted 12 January, 2020 Stopping just aimlessly passing about at the back, reducing possession into the 40% region, higher tempo, hard pressing, pace up front and getting the ball up quickly to them at the same time allowing our defenders to outnumber opponents attackers. So, basically, better coaching all of a sudden? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 12 January, 2020 Share Posted 12 January, 2020 Ralph stopped putting square pegs into round holes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 12 January, 2020 Share Posted 12 January, 2020 Ralph stopped putting square pegs into round holes. Djenepo at LB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 12 January, 2020 Share Posted 12 January, 2020 Djenepo at LB How many games did he do that in??? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpsaint Posted 12 January, 2020 Share Posted 12 January, 2020 Ralph stopped putting square pegs into round holes. This, coupled with a high pressing game, and a settled starting XI. Plus, our first victory at St Mary’s this season came the first time I walked past the statue and gave Ted’s foot a lucky rub and have to do it every game now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWar Posted 12 January, 2020 Share Posted 12 January, 2020 I'd say the three biggest factors have been JWP playing his socks off, Jack Stephens being the CB we have needed all season, and us having one of the best performing strikers in the league. That coupled with Armstrong being the missing link we needed to connect midfield to attack, McCarthy playing better than Gunn was, and Bertrand settling back in at LB is what has done it for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevy777_x Posted 12 January, 2020 Share Posted 12 January, 2020 I'd say the three biggest factors have been JWP playing his socks off, Jack Stephens being the CB we have needed all season, and us having one of the best performing strikers in the league. That coupled with Armstrong being the missing link we needed to connect midfield to attack, McCarthy playing better than Gunn was, and Bertrand settling back in at LB is what has done it for us. Dropping Romeu was also key for me as he completely slows our attacks and passes sideways too much. Good player but don’t think he is suited to our up tempo style of play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 12 January, 2020 Share Posted 12 January, 2020 Dropping Romeu was also key for me as he completely slows our attacks and passes sideways too much. Good player but don’t think he is suited to our up tempo style of play. Don’t think just down to Romeu he was probably the only one holding it together at start. I think there are multiple reasons, Ralph, coaching, tactics, Cedric and Bertrand in form, Stephens and Bednarek partnership, Armstrong has really helped link it, Long helping the midfield having someone running behind and Ings on fire. JWP has been superb lately. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordic Saint Posted 12 January, 2020 Share Posted 12 January, 2020 Plenty of things you can put it down to, which do you favour? We were always a good team, with decent players and a decent manager, but we were in a slump of form and morale? We're an average team with a decent manager, enjoying a good run of form and morale, enjoy it while it lasts? Danny Ings isn't injured? We've finally found the best defensive line up and formation and it's actually very good? Ralph was trying to be too clever, but now he's doing the simple things well and playing players where they belong? Several suppoerters have finally managed to sort out their lucky tics, realising which is the right way to walk to the stadium, which underpants to wear and when to leave the room to get a cup of tea. If they keep this up, we'll never lose again? Something else? Vestergaard was dropped. We lost 5 and drew 1 of his last 6 games. Since he was dropped, we've won nearly every game and now there are only 5 teams in the league who've won more games than us. He slowed our game down, confused the rest of our defence and we had to play an extra central defender to cover for him, leaving us short in midfield, which let opposing teams push us back into our own half and take control of the game. Of course that's not the only factor but just look at how much better our central defenders are playing now that he is out of the way. The central defensive partnership of Stephens and Bednarek is the foundation on which our recent success has been built. We now have a very good defence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manuel Posted 12 January, 2020 Share Posted 12 January, 2020 A combination of finding the best formation and finding the best 11. No surprise that ultimately it's the formation that he's been using for much of his managerial career that ends up bearing fruit. I understand why he thought we needed 3/5 at the back but I think we can safely say it's in the past now. Just hope Saints/Ralph can be effective in the transfer market to give us a boost and some depth. We all like Djenepo, but turns out he's more of an impact sub. Jury's still out on Adams. Not sure bringing in Danso has helped us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordic Saint Posted 12 January, 2020 Share Posted 12 January, 2020 A combination of finding the best formation and finding the best 11. No surprise that ultimately it's the formation that he's been using for much of his managerial career that ends up bearing fruit. I understand why he thought we needed 3/5 at the back but I think we can safely say it's in the past now. Just hope Saints/Ralph can be effective in the transfer market to give us a boost and some depth. We all like Djenepo, but turns out he's more of an impact sub. Jury's still out on Adams. Not sure bringing in Danso has helped us. Ralph is understandably going to be very cautious in the transfer market. He'll be looking for cover in key positions but not looking for players to immediately replace anyone in our first team now that it is playing so well. We've seen how bringing in expensive flops like Carrillo and Vestergaard can mess the team up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verlaine1979 Posted 12 January, 2020 Share Posted 12 January, 2020 Five at the back has been a safety net for our last couple of managers, but since we don't have world-beaters in midfield or attack (though Ings is making a decent case atm) the security was illusory. Being brave enough to ditch one of the CBs and compete further up the field has made a huge difference, though without Ings' purple patch, I doubt the formation change alone would've made quite such a profound difference. Fine margins n'all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Gotsmanov Posted 12 January, 2020 Share Posted 12 January, 2020 Ralph is understandably going to be very cautious in the transfer market. He'll be looking for cover in key positions but not looking for players to immediately replace anyone in our first team now that it is playing so well. We've seen how bringing in expensive flops like Carrillo and Vestergaard can mess the team up. Scraping two home wins against Norwich and Watford - gave some momentum and 'belief' Danny Ings going on a goal run McCarthy adding some maturity and authority to the defence RH being more conservative in his team choices and strategy having gained too much confidence at the end of last season In my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 12 January, 2020 Share Posted 12 January, 2020 (edited) The positivity of those "nutters" on here who predicted this squad was good enough for a top 10 finish finally rubbing off on the team...? Edited 12 January, 2020 by trousers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 12 January, 2020 Share Posted 12 January, 2020 The influence of RK. I hate to break this to you, but it's been nearly 4 years since Ronald Koeman left Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 12 January, 2020 Share Posted 12 January, 2020 Did we get in a new coach at some point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doc oli Posted 12 January, 2020 Share Posted 12 January, 2020 4 at the back. A braver midfield selection with JWP forced in to the thick of it. Playing on the front foot. Danny ings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 12 January, 2020 Share Posted 12 January, 2020 Stuart Armstrong. Settled team and formation. Goals. JWP and Hoj. A spine! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc4prem Posted 12 January, 2020 Share Posted 12 January, 2020 Ings is the difference. His goals have proved vital. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintZamboni Posted 12 January, 2020 Share Posted 12 January, 2020 Players executing the managers strategy rather than hiding and reverting to sideways and backwards passing. Fitness looks better and confidence is, naturally, much higher. Settled side doesn’t hurt either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 12 January, 2020 Share Posted 12 January, 2020 I hate to break this to you, but it's been nearly 4 years since Ronald Koeman left Really, **** me, I thought he was still in charge. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 12 January, 2020 Share Posted 12 January, 2020 A settled team with two proper specialist full backs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Odd Guy Posted 13 January, 2020 Share Posted 13 January, 2020 Ralph's beard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 13 January, 2020 Share Posted 13 January, 2020 Ralph stopped putting square pegs into round holes. Nutshell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 13 January, 2020 Share Posted 13 January, 2020 Ralph stopped putting square pegs into round holes. Partly that, partly his sudden U turn on relying on young, fast but hopelessly inexperienced kids and partly reverting to 4-4-2 from the disastrous 3-4-3. Once Ralph swallowed his stubborn beliefs about younger players and recalled Cedric, McCarthy, Bertrand and even Long things have been on the up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 13 January, 2020 Share Posted 13 January, 2020 Settled team is the key, no more questions about why x isn’t getting in the squad, why are we playing x there instead etc. The team picks itself, and most importantly it's balanced. What has also helped is our good run has coincided at a time when fixtures are close together, so it's given us an opportunity to really gather some momentum and accumulate points over a short period of time. Ings has benefited from a good run like this and looks as fit as he's ever looked. I think we've also managed the fitness of the squad well over the last few weeks, so kudos to the backroom staff too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bermuda Saint Posted 13 January, 2020 Share Posted 13 January, 2020 Players executing the managers strategy rather than hiding and reverting to sideways and backwards passing. Fitness looks better and confidence is, naturally, much higher. Settled side doesn’t hurt either. this is it, he brought a high pressing game that we haven't had since poch! it takes proper training to pull this off, we haved worked on this for months, I think we have the best press in the league now. Players had to change their mind set from Peul and Pell, from possession based to quick ball to the forward channels, it looked awful and very Sam A like at first, kicking the ball forward and loosing possession constantly!. Now the strikers are expecting it and the threat we have with the press in their third is telling. Fullback are pacing themselves better, Bertrand and Cedric were exhausted the last 20 min when pressing in the beginning. The dump it forward, now looks like what RH was trying to instill (see previous write up on RH style before he came here), It is attacking football meant to win with limited resources and skill. I am becoming a fan of it! We had good enough players, they just had to fully buy into RH style which seemed like kick and chase football, but is so much more when you look at how RH has refined it to maximize attack, increased off ball pressure to regain possession and stay compact through the middle. Took awhile for me to understand and like, so too for the players. Now we are all on board and excited about where this can take us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Mockles Posted 13 January, 2020 Share Posted 13 January, 2020 Stinking to a formation and centre back pairing and learning, finally, his best 11. I think whoever coached the b**llocks out of the defence deserves special merit as the turnaround is unprecedented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitch Posted 13 January, 2020 Share Posted 13 January, 2020 Ralph's beard. This is actually it. He best not shave until the rest of the season. I believe all players have to stroke it before heading down the tunnel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manuel Posted 13 January, 2020 Share Posted 13 January, 2020 For a while we struggled to create and sought to solve the issue by bringing in individual players known to be creative i.e. Moussa. Now we have a style of play that is creative. We create many, many chances per game now. It's the strategy. Must be nice for the players to finally see some results for all that fitness work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 13 January, 2020 Share Posted 13 January, 2020 this is it, he brought a high pressing game that we haven't had since poch! it takes proper training to pull this off, we haved worked on this for months, I think we have the best press in the league now. Players had to change their mind set from Peul and Pell, from possession based to quick ball to the forward channels, it looked awful and very Sam A like at first, kicking the ball forward and loosing possession constantly!. Now the strikers are expecting it and the threat we have with the press in their third is telling. Fullback are pacing themselves better, Bertrand and Cedric were exhausted the last 20 min when pressing in the beginning. The dump it forward, now looks like what RH was trying to instill (see previous write up on RH style before he came here), It is attacking football meant to win with limited resources and skill. I am becoming a fan of it! We had good enough players, they just had to fully buy into RH style which seemed like kick and chase football, but is so much more when you look at how RH has refined it to maximize attack, increased off ball pressure to regain possession and stay compact through the middle. Took awhile for me to understand and like, so too for the players. Now we are all on board and excited about where this can take us! At last somebody who gets it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 13 January, 2020 Share Posted 13 January, 2020 Having fit full backs helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StDunko Posted 13 January, 2020 Share Posted 13 January, 2020 this is it, he brought a high pressing game that we haven't had since poch! it takes proper training to pull this off, we haved worked on this for months, I think we have the best press in the league now. Players had to change their mind set from Peul and Pell, from possession based to quick ball to the forward channels, it looked awful and very Sam A like at first, kicking the ball forward and loosing possession constantly!. Now the strikers are expecting it and the threat we have with the press in their third is telling. Fullback are pacing themselves better, Bertrand and Cedric were exhausted the last 20 min when pressing in the beginning. The dump it forward, now looks like what RH was trying to instill (see previous write up on RH style before he came here), It is attacking football meant to win with limited resources and skill. I am becoming a fan of it! We had good enough players, they just had to fully buy into RH style which seemed like kick and chase football, but is so much more when you look at how RH has refined it to maximize attack, increased off ball pressure to regain possession and stay compact through the middle. Took awhile for me to understand and like, so too for the players. Now we are all on board and excited about where this can take us! Yes., when pressing we now hunt in packs, whereas before it was only in ones or twos. It is easy to play out through a 1 or 2 man press, but much harder through a 3 or 4 man press. 4 at the back allows more players to press than 5 at the back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpin4rizeal Posted 13 January, 2020 Share Posted 13 January, 2020 Biggest things for me are getting a stable team together without keep changing the defence every week in particular. Stephens and Bednarek are getting the chance to actually form a partnership now. Tactically the change to the 442 but also playing in a counter attacking way is also huge.. I also find our form seems to be hugely boosted since Shane long got brought back in to play alongside ings. He has his knockers but it’s just working at the moment.. his amazing work rate and tenacity opens up more chances for ings to finish Still not really convinced with redmond and I personally think boufal or djenepo playing instead of him consistently would be a upgrade.. aside from that I think keeping this stable team together is the right thing to do at the moment . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manuel Posted 13 January, 2020 Share Posted 13 January, 2020 Tactically the change to the 442 but also playing in a counter attacking way is also huge.. I also find our form seems to be hugely boosted since Shane long got brought back in to play alongside ings. He has his knockers but it’s just working at the moment.. his amazing work rate and tenacity opens up more chances for ings to finish Draws lots of fouls as well. Knows when to go down. Ha ha, against Leicester I almost wondered if he was relieved when he got bundled over in the box rather than having to take on Schmeichael. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 13 January, 2020 Share Posted 13 January, 2020 JWP going into the midfield two. The form of Ings. Believing in the high press again and the players fully committing to what Ralph wants to do. Going to a back 4 and settled back 4 with obviously Stephens raising his game. The 4-2-2-2 being used over the 5-3-2. Players not being played out of position. Bertrand back in the team as a LB and playing well. The 9-0 being a wake up call zenith moment for the team, there were no excuses after that they had to do better, they weren't working hard enough and they had been embarrassed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted 13 January, 2020 Share Posted 13 January, 2020 We've hit a run of form in a league that's poorer than it has been in a while, during that period we played a Spurs side who were in disarray and looking very weak, a Chelsea side who'd struggled at home a lot this season and a number of teams in and about us in the relegation battle (the type of sides we'd already got good results against). Winning those game brought back confidence in the squad and players started performing more to their abilities and with less fear of mistakes. Combine that with our worst defender (in vestergaard) being dropped, our better keeper being brought in, and a back four being played in the right positions and we look a much better side. Plus of course we have Danny ings, who's in the best form of his life, and JWP who's suddenly understood how to play central midfield. For what it's worth we haven't actually turned into a very good side, we've turned into the side we should be, one that will most likely finish somewhere between 10th and 14th, and will have another dip in form at some point this season. The squad still needs signings to be a decent team, i just hope this run doesn't paper over the cracks so much that the club don't properly invest in fixing the obvious weaknesses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 13 January, 2020 Share Posted 13 January, 2020 Mccarthy - proper GK that doesn’t wobble the defence and does the basics mostly right Ditching the bizarre positional experiments Stephens turning into van Dijk and forming a partnership with JB Armstrong JWP stepping up 2 wins at home against struggling sides and executing a perfect game plan v Chelsea helping with confidence and momentum Ings being fit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintTex Posted 13 January, 2020 Share Posted 13 January, 2020 most have said it.. Players 1. Ings on fire. 2. Dropping Vestergaard (convinced he can still be a good player though) 3. Dropping Romeu (and i like Romeu) 4. Armstrong's influence (has great instincts) 5. Shane Long's energy (i know it is a cliche at this point - but it makes a difference) 6. JWProwse's workrate Managing 1. settled formation 4-4-2 2. settled Starting XI 2. no more tinkering 3. better substitution strategy (of late) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 13 January, 2020 Share Posted 13 January, 2020 Also i think the Athletic said something along the lines that in the first period of the season we were pressing like a top 6 side, but defending like a relegation side and not taking chances like a relegation side, and now we are literally the best pressing side in the league, taking chances properly and defending more like a top 10 side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reinhard Posted 13 January, 2020 Share Posted 13 January, 2020 Djenepo at LB I understood that somehow because Bertrand was apathetic at that time, only back oriented and a liability for the team. I was very critical about Betrand but now I am a kind fan of him due to his change to the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reinhard Posted 13 January, 2020 Share Posted 13 January, 2020 For what it's worth we haven't actually turned into a very good side, we've turned into the side we should be, one that will most likely finish somewhere between 10th and 14th .... Ralph did not come with the target to finish a season between 10th and 14th. He wants to be near the top with his teams. He will not say this aloud, but you can be sure. Being a manager in Southampton/PL is different from being a coach in Bundesliga, because in the PL he has a wider sphere of responsibility and for me it seemed that it took time for him to cope with that. What surprised me was that he actually improved some players compared to last season and compared to this season start. E.g. I was very critical of Bertrand, Bendarek, JWP, and Redmond, to name a few. They all became better, as playing indivdiuals. That has nothing to do with 4222 or anything else. Somehow he improved them on an individual basis and now they fit very good into his system. Also the automatisms start to show results (e.g. how you play the ball from the defenders to midfield and bypass the other side's pressing). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reinhard Posted 13 January, 2020 Share Posted 13 January, 2020 The central defensive partnership of Stephens and Bednarek is the foundation on which our recent success has been built. We now have a very good defence. That is true to some extent. We should not forget that defending in the last 8 or 9 games started with the attackers. Then came the midfielders and only then the CBs. Therefore the other side's attacks were not such overwhelming for the CBs because all helped to weaken the other attack already. The whole team is defending when necessary and so it is easier for the CBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reinhard Posted 13 January, 2020 Share Posted 13 January, 2020 this is it, he brought a high pressing game that we haven't had since poch! it takes proper training to pull this off, we haved worked on this for months, I think we have the best press in the league now. Players had to change their mind set from Peul and Pell, from possession based to quick ball to the forward channels, it looked awful and very Sam A like at first, kicking the ball forward and loosing possession constantly!. Now the strikers are expecting it and the threat we have with the press in their third is telling. Fullback are pacing themselves better, Bertrand and Cedric were exhausted the last 20 min when pressing in the beginning. The dump it forward, now looks like what RH was trying to instill (see previous write up on RH style before he came here), It is attacking football meant to win with limited resources and skill. I am becoming a fan of it! We had good enough players, they just had to fully buy into RH style which seemed like kick and chase football, but is so much more when you look at how RH has refined it to maximize attack, increased off ball pressure to regain possession and stay compact through the middle. Took awhile for me to understand and like, so too for the players. Now we are all on board and excited about where this can take us! I agree totally, good analysis! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 13 January, 2020 Share Posted 13 January, 2020 Shane long... He has his knockers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 14 January, 2020 Share Posted 14 January, 2020 Partly that, partly his sudden U turn on relying on young, fast but hopelessly inexperienced kids and partly reverting to 4-4-2 from the disastrous 3-4-3. Once Ralph swallowed his stubborn beliefs about younger players and recalled Cedric, McCarthy, Bertrand and even Long things have been on the up. And the catalyst for all of this was perhaps the "blessing in disguise" 0-9. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordic Saint Posted 14 January, 2020 Share Posted 14 January, 2020 And the catalyst for all of this was perhaps the "blessing in disguise" 0-9. Wolves went on a 10-match unbeaten run after we beat them 9-3, culminating in an 8-2 victory over Pompey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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