Guided Missile Posted 21 January, 2009 Posted 21 January, 2009 I think the hyperbole posted on this site regarding the attendances at Southampton FC home games really needs to be considered over the long term. The financial problems that the club now faces are purely the responsibility of those that run the plc, as this history of the total number of fans paying to watch the continual underachievement over the last 20 years, demonstrates: Year Total attn 2008 519,615 2007 574,182 2006 586,819 2005 653,587 2004 677,357 2003 728,536 2002 597,672 2001 330,672 2000 333,896 1999 314,167 1998 325,015 1997 341,481 1996 361,221 1995 369.513 1994 326,643 1993 336,208 1992 478,328 1991 429,416 1990 409,534 1989 355,663
70's Mike Posted 21 January, 2009 Posted 21 January, 2009 So surely you need to show the total number who could have watched due to The Dell capacity
Katalinic Posted 21 January, 2009 Posted 21 January, 2009 You also need to factor in an increased number of home games since relegation - 23 as opposed to 19 in the Premiership.
70's Mike Posted 21 January, 2009 Posted 21 January, 2009 You also need to factor in an increased number of home games since relegation - 23 as opposed to 19 in the Premiership. 4 more poor defeats this season then
bridge too far Posted 21 January, 2009 Posted 21 January, 2009 About a third of the way down this page there is a graph showing declining attendances. http://www.footballeconomy.com/stats2/eng_southampton.htm
Guided Missile Posted 21 January, 2009 Author Posted 21 January, 2009 So surely you need to show the total number who could have watched due to The Dell capacity If the figures for the total capacity were available (maybe Duncan has them) prior to the all seater Dell being introduced, I would have posted them. I have the average gates and the list is as follows: Year Ave. attn. 2008 21,254 2007 23,556 2006 23,614 2005 30,610 2004 31,699 2003 30,680 2002 30,633 2001 15,115 2000 15,132 1999 15,133 1998 15,159 1997 15,105 1996 14,822 1995 14,689 1994 14,764 1993 15,148 1992 15,291 1991 17,122 1990 16,484 1989 15,584 1988 14,544 1987 14,950 1986 14,877 1985 18,046 1984 18,089 1983 18,799 1982 21,835 1981 21,482 1980 21,335 1979 21,330 1978 21,167 1977 19,480 1976 17,648 1975 15,910 1974 21,128 1973 18,118 1972 21,191 1971 22,267 1970 22,901 1969 22,492 1968 24,665 1967 25,527 1966 18,919 1965 17,123 1964 17,217 1963 15,267 1962 13,763 1961 18,665 1960 18,052 1959 21,540 1958 14,851 1957 14,784 1956 11,612 1955 14,724 1954 14,885 1953 16,159 1952 19,038 1951 21,816 1950 23,894 1949 25,384 1948 20,789 1947 16,597 1993-94 was when the Dell was made an all seater, but the average attendances prior to that got nowhere near the St. Mary's years and I suspect nor did the total attendances.
Guided Missile Posted 21 January, 2009 Author Posted 21 January, 2009 About a third of the way down this page there is a graph showing declining attendances. http://www.footballeconomy.com/stats2/eng_southampton.htm The graph shows average, not total attendances....
bridge too far Posted 21 January, 2009 Posted 21 January, 2009 The graph shows average, not total attendances.... Nonetheless it still shows the decline whether its average, total, percentage of capacity etc. etc.
70's Mike Posted 21 January, 2009 Posted 21 January, 2009 Wonder who was the person who stopped going between 1999 and 2000
Big Ron fan Posted 21 January, 2009 Posted 21 January, 2009 Interesting to note the big drop in '86, the year after Heysel (and Lawrie leaving). Why the big jump in '59 - was that the promotion year to Div 2? I thought there would have been more of an increase in '66, our promotion year to Div 1 for the first time. Also, I'm surprised the average attendences held up so well during the Branfoot years, because I certainly remember some gates of not much more than 10,000 around then.
Legod Third Coming Posted 21 January, 2009 Posted 21 January, 2009 Wonder who was the person who stopped going between 1999 and 2000 Sorry, met the wife that year...
Weston Saint Posted 21 January, 2009 Posted 21 January, 2009 Problem with the financial comment is that when we had a capacity of 14,500 we owned the stadium. We are now paying approx £2m a year interest/capital repayment. Allowing for average income of £15 per spectator over a season that requires another 6,000 bums on seats ie 20,000 plus average gate just to be in the same position.
SamKimish Posted 21 January, 2009 Posted 21 January, 2009 Talking about declining attendances, could we have possibly broken a record for the biggest drop in attendance between two consecutive home matches (Man Utd and Doncaster) ?
Johnny Bognor Posted 21 January, 2009 Posted 21 January, 2009 If the figures for the total capacity were available (maybe Duncan has them) prior to the all seater Dell being introduced, I would have posted them. I have the average gates and the list is as follows: Year Ave. attn. 2008 21,254 2007 23,556 So if the capacity was 32,000 in 2007 and it is 26,000 in 2008, could the closing of the corners by the current regime been a deliberate move to improve the attendance vs capacity ratio, thus claiming a moral victory over the previous lot?
aintforever Posted 21 January, 2009 Posted 21 January, 2009 Problem with the financial comment is that when we had a capacity of 14,500 we owned the stadium. We are now paying approx £2m a year interest/capital repayment. Allowing for average income of £15 per spectator over a season that requires another 6,000 bums on seats ie 20,000 plus average gate just to be in the same position. So if our average attendance this season is 17,000, it means we have the same income as a mortgage free club with an average attendance of 11,000. If that's correct it means we have the same spending power as Doncaster and only Blackpool have less spending power than us in the CCC (depending on other clubs mortgages). I am depressed now.
Delmary Posted 21 January, 2009 Posted 21 January, 2009 So if our average attendance this season is 17,000, it means we have the same income as a mortgage free club with an average attendance of 11,000. If that's correct it means we have the same spending power as Doncaster and only Blackpool have less spending power than us in the CCC (depending on other clubs mortgages). I am depressed now.We're paying for a Premiership infrastructure which we can ill afford in the CC. Our potential problems started when Rupert signed the finance agreement for St.Marys.
1965onwards Posted 21 January, 2009 Posted 21 January, 2009 If the uber-fans on here had a brain between them they would realise that many clubs have a very diverse fanbase. Southampton has a very big student population( very high proportion foreign ) who enjoy watching top quality players and were willing to to go to premiership matches,but are not willing to pay to watch the dross being served up at the moment. It is also perfectly obvious that most of those travelling from all over the south to watch Saints were split between those who are probably not particularly Saints Fans,but just want to watch top teams when they are in the area,and Saints fans who are willing to travel to watch top teams,but not a reserve team. Those uber-fans who want these lesser fans or attendees to stay away permanently need to realise that that outcome would mean Saints never playing in the premiership again,as we will never achieve it without the income from those who are not coming at the moment. You moronic uber-fans might just as well start up AFC Southamton so that you can wallow in your great uber-fan status.
Mole Posted 21 January, 2009 Posted 21 January, 2009 Saints were second only to Morecambe in having the biggest %age decline in season ticket holders from season 07/08 to season 08/09. Lowe did that.
aintforever Posted 21 January, 2009 Posted 21 January, 2009 We're paying for a Premiership infrastructure which we can ill afford in the CC. Our potential problems started when Rupert signed the finance agreement for St.Marys. And to think people hailed him as some sort of genius for getting SMS built! We went from owning a ground outright in a nice area of town to being mortgaged up to our ass in a ****e area of town on land gifted to us by the Council. Moving was the right thing to do but it was hardley a great deal. Surely the development at The Dell was worth a few bob and a better deal could have been done?
saintwarwick Posted 21 January, 2009 Posted 21 January, 2009 What is GM trying to prove here ? That if you play sh1t you get less fans attending.
saintwarwick Posted 21 January, 2009 Posted 21 January, 2009 And to think people hailed him as some sort of genius for getting SMS built! We went from owning a ground outright in a nice area of town to being mortgaged up to our ass in a ****e area of town on land gifted to us by the Council. Moving was the right thing to do but it was hardley a great deal. Surely the development at The Dell was worth a few bob and a better deal could have been done? I thought the reason we moved is because there was no scope for development for premiership football.
aintforever Posted 21 January, 2009 Posted 21 January, 2009 I thought the reason we moved is because there was no scope for development for premiership football. I meant the housing development, Saints owned a large chunk of land in a half decent area of town.
Thedelldays Posted 21 January, 2009 Posted 21 January, 2009 And to think people hailed him as some sort of genius for getting SMS built! We went from owning a ground outright in a nice area of town to being mortgaged up to our ass in a ****e area of town on land gifted to us by the Council. Moving was the right thing to do but it was hardley a great deal. Surely the development at The Dell was worth a few bob and a better deal could have been done? to be fair..he got the stadium..which is more than the previous 20 years worth of efforts achieved
saintwarwick Posted 21 January, 2009 Posted 21 January, 2009 I meant the housing development, Saints owned a large chunk of land in a half decent area of town. I'm sure we would of got the going rate.
Zurichsaint Posted 21 January, 2009 Posted 21 January, 2009 Southampton has a very big student population( very high proportion foreign ) who enjoy watching top quality players and were willing to to go to premiership matches,but are not willing to pay to watch the dross being served up at the moment. Interesting theory, but I'm sure I would have noticed 5k foreign students, even among 30k attendance. Hardly any student I knew could afford to pay £30+ to watch the premier league every 2 weeks. And I've heard more foreign langauges on the pitch at St Mary's than I ever have in the stands...
1965onwards Posted 21 January, 2009 Posted 21 January, 2009 You are a silly boy Zurich,get back to your cuckoo clock.
Fowllyd Posted 21 January, 2009 Posted 21 January, 2009 Vaguely on the original topic, did the Dell's capacity decrease in 1982? Attendance figures dipped after that, so it must have done. More seats perhaps? Or the new Milton end? I can't remember exactly when these things happened, but I think the new Milton end was earlier than that. It does seem odd, though, that attendances in 1984 (our most successful year by a street or several) are below those of a couple of years before.
Zurichsaint Posted 21 January, 2009 Posted 21 January, 2009 You are a silly boy Zurich,get back to your cuckoo clock. Keep trying mate, I'm sure someone will rise to the bait sooner or later...
Doctoroncall Posted 21 January, 2009 Posted 21 January, 2009 Keep trying mate, I'm sure someone will rise to the bait sooner or later... What? that Cuckoo Clocks come from Germany? Everyone knows that.
1965onwards Posted 21 January, 2009 Posted 21 January, 2009 Having dealt with quite a few thousand students over the years,i think i know a bit more about their activities than you Zurich. Not that i attribute to them any more than a minor loss to the Saints. My main point being that most clubs only have a hardcore of uber-fans who will go come-what-may,those uber-fans need to get over it or do the other thing.
Whitey Grandad Posted 21 January, 2009 Posted 21 January, 2009 Interesting to note the big drop in '86, the year after Heysel (and Lawrie leaving). Why the big jump in '59 - was that the promotion year to Div 2? I thought there would have been more of an increase in '66, our promotion year to Div 1 for the first time. Also, I'm surprised the average attendences held up so well during the Branfoot years, because I certainly remember some gates of not much more than 10,000 around then. All-seater stadiums? When was the Dell converted?
St Landrew Posted 21 January, 2009 Posted 21 January, 2009 You are a silly boy Zurich,get back to your cuckoo clock. Common misnomer that cuckoo clocks were invented in Switzerland, just because Orson Welles said so [yeah Zurich is Bavaria, but it's near]. Anyway, they weren't. :smt012
1965onwards Posted 22 January, 2009 Posted 22 January, 2009 Uber-fans live in cloud-cuckoo clock land.
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