Britain's Next Top Prime Minister - Labour Leadership Election 2020.

[sadoldgit]

They could have gone with "millionaire barrister who was in charge of the crown prosecution service when Warboys wasn't charged with his extra offences" so you should be thankful.

 

Plenty of time for that I’m sure. Such a shame that Johnson is not the Labour leader. Just think what dirt the press could through his way.

[Wes Tender]

Plenty of time for that I’m sure. Such a shame that Johnson is not the Labour leader. Just think what dirt the press could through his way.

 

Ah yes, Johnson the old Etonian upper class twit, becoming leader of the most left-wing Labour Party ever. Unless you can explain how that would come about in a million years, then you win the prize for the barmiest conjecture ever posted on here. Also incredibly naive of course to suggest for one minute that the left wing press and media are reticent to throw whatever dirt they can at Johnson just because he is the leader of the Tory party. You continue to be good value in the entertainment stakes with your stilted and amusing views, Soggy.

[sadoldgit]

You have completely missed the point Wes. The largely right wing press constantly find ways of discrediting Labour leaders. Do you think that serves democracy well when they don’t treat Tory leaders in the same way? Of course it doesn’t but why should you care because it serves your purpose well. You do the same thing so I can only imagine you are hoping for a sub editors job on The Sun, Mail or Express. Here’s a thought, perhaps all politicians should be treated the same by the media. Unless of course you are afraid of a level playing field?

[benjii]

You have completely missed the point Wes. The largely right wing press constantly find ways of discrediting Labour leaders. Do you think that serves democracy well when they don’t treat Tory leaders in the same way? Of course it doesn’t but why should you care because it serves your purpose well. You do the same thing so I can only imagine you are hoping for a sub editors job on The Sun, Mail or Express. Here’s a thought, perhaps all politicians should be treated the same by the media. Unless of course you are afraid of a level playing field?

 

Are you saying Johnson hasn’t had dirt on him published?

 

Michael Howard, IDS, William Hague, John Major, the list goes on.... they were all hounded by the media for one reason or another. The media will bash any politician that appears deserving of a bashing, regardless of party.

 

It’s nonsense to suggest Corbyn was given a hard time because he was Labour leader. He was given a hard time for being utterly incompetent, and rightly so.

[Jonnyboy]

Oh, absolutely. If he wins then he will be portrayed as "the establishment" because he is left leaning and a lawyer and interested in appalling things like human rights. Not anti-establishment like that nice Boris Johnson.

 

But whoever wins will have some cross to bear, be it being fake working class or real working class and northern therefore thick.

 

Are you suggesting there is a media bias against any Labour leader?!

[Jonnyboy]

Talking of media bias, can you imagine the clamour to appear before the cameras if Corbyn had gone to a tropical island and been incommunicado all through the Iran crisis? It would be deafening.

 

I've heard some mild criticism but nothing compared to the grilling the Labour leadership candidates are getting.

[Batman]

Talking of media bias, can you imagine the clamour to appear before the cameras if Corbyn had gone to a tropical island and been incommunicado all through the Iran crisis? It would be deafening.

 

I've heard some mild criticism but nothing compared to the grilling the Labour leadership candidates are getting.

 

Do you think the PM was cut off from the rest of the world?

[aintforever]

Or “millionaire hypocrite who studied at a grammar school but wants to deny your children that opportunity”.

 

 

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Of maybe that by experiencing grammar school first hand he has a better idea than most about what little they do for equality of opportunity?

[sadoldgit]

Are you saying Johnson hasn’t had dirt on him published?

 

Michael Howard, IDS, William Hague, John Major, the list goes on.... they were all hounded by the media for one reason or another. The media will bash any politician that appears deserving of a bashing, regardless of party.

 

It’s nonsense to suggest Corbyn was given a hard time because he was Labour leader. He was given a hard time for being utterly incompetent, and rightly so.

 

Not to the extent that the Labour leader gets belittled daily. Let’s not pretend it doesn’t happen. It starts even before they are elected and caries on daily right up to election day. Character wise Johnson is a far worse human being than Corbyn but you wouldn’t know it if all you did was to read the majority of our daily newspapers. What difference does it make how much money Keir Starmer has or what his profession was but already they are trying to paint him as some kind of pretend socialist. They treat Labour leaders in exactly the same way as they treat England football managers. If it was happening to your party we wouldn’t hear the end of it. There are a number of indisputiful facts about living in the UK. One is that the leader of the Labour Party gets vilified daily in the right wing press.

[sadoldgit]

Do you think the PM was cut off from the rest of the world?

 

I’m not sure if you are being serious here or trying to make a joke?

[shurlock]

All political leaders are hounded by the press to some extent but there is absolutely no comparison in the vitriol and viciousness of the right-leaning press vs. the left-leaning press. None whatsoever. You must live under a rock and have been born yesterday if you think they’re equivalent.

Edited 8 January, 2020 by shurlock

[Batman]

I’m not sure if you are being serious here or trying to make a joke?

 

Do you think he was?

[Wes Tender]

You have completely missed the point Wes. The largely right wing press constantly find ways of discrediting Labour leaders. Do you think that serves democracy well when they don’t treat Tory leaders in the same way? Of course it doesn’t but why should you care because it serves your purpose well. You do the same thing so I can only imagine you are hoping for a sub editors job on The Sun, Mail or Express. Here’s a thought, perhaps all politicians should be treated the same by the media. Unless of course you are afraid of a level playing field?

 

I don't miss the point at all. It is you who is incapable of understanding that by virtue of the fact that Corbyn is a Marxist and the most extreme left wing politician to lead the Labour Party that he attracts this opprobrium from the media. Quite simply, he was unelectable to be PM and you laughingly accuse the media for bias because they simply stated that fact. As Benji correctly points out, the left wing press are perfectly capable of dishing it out to Tory party leaders and members, but you are so blinkered that you are incapable of any sort of balanced view.

[sadoldgit]

Do you think he was?

 

Sorry, misread it at first. Do I think he was? I don’t know, but he certainly gave the impression that he had a “Do Not Disturb” sign on his door. Given the seriousness of the situation, wouldn’t you expect our PM to respond immediately? He couldn’t even be bothered to turn up at his place of work yesterday and make a statement about it. Meanwhile we have Raab blathering away about the Iranian missile strikes and how bad that is. Erm, why do you think it happened Mr Raab?

[Lord Duckhunter]

Of maybe that by experiencing grammar school first hand he has a better idea than most about what little they do for equality of opportunity?

 

Pony.

 

Luckily we’ve still got them here. 2 of my kids went & 2 didn’t. The 2 that went had a far far superior eduction and there’s a noticeable difference in how employers react to their cv. There’s absolutely no comparison.

It wasn’t long ago either, my youngest left school last year.

 

Lefties have always been the same, wanting to deny others the education they and their offspring have received.

 

 

 

 

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[badgerx16]

Lefties have always been the same, wanting to deny others the education they and their offspring have received.

You paint in such broad strokes. As a 'leftie' I support grammar schools; both my wife and myself went to single sex selective grammars, as did our youngest, and we believe they provide a far better education.

[Lord Duckhunter]

Character wise Johnson is a far worse human being than Corbyn

 

What a load of old pony.

 

Corbyn is an anti Semite who attends wreath laying ceremonies for terrorists & takes money from a regime that chucks gays off buildings.

 

 

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[Lord Duckhunter]

You paint in such broad strokes. As a 'leftie' I support grammar schools; both my wife and myself went to single sex selective grammars, as did our youngest, and we believe they provide a far better education.

 

Apologies. I should have said “most lefties”.

 

I wouldn’t let your comrades know those views, you’ll be labelled right wing.

 

 

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[shurlock]

I don't miss the point at all. It is you who is incapable of understanding that by virtue of the fact that Corbyn is a Marxist and the most extreme left wing politician to lead the Labour Party that he attracts this opprobrium from the media. Quite simply, he was unelectable to be PM and you laughingly accuse the media for bias because they simply stated that fact. As Benji correctly points out, the left wing press are perfectly capable of dishing it out to Tory party leaders and members, but you are so blinkered that you are incapable of any sort of balanced view.

 

As I say you must live under a rock and been born yesterday if you think the vitriol and tactics of the “right-leaning” press are the same as the “left”. You must also be a bit dim if you can’t hold two propositions at the same time - there’s no inconsistency or contradiction in claiming that Corbyn was thoroughly unelectable and maintaining that the right-leaning press is uniquely hostile when it has a target in its sights, often just for taking a different position. The world isnt made up of either-ors. Just look at the treatment of Red Ed and his family (never mind many of his policies have been subsequently imitated or copied by the Conservative Party).

 

But there’s no point talking to the least balanced and the most ridiculed poster on here (a view shared across the mboard political spectrum, though GM gives you a run for your money) - you should stick to your dreary, sub-Ceefax match reports pal.

Edited 8 January, 2020 by shurlock

[Tamesaint]

What a load of old pony.

 

Corbyn is an anti Semite who attends wreath laying ceremonies for terrorists & takes money from a regime that chucks gays off buildings.

 

 

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Whereas Johnson is an adulterous liar who was considered to be morally unsuitable to be leader by the previous PM.

[Batman]

Sorry, misread it at first. Do I think he was? I don’t know, but he certainly gave the impression that he had a “Do Not Disturb” sign on his door. Given the seriousness of the situation, wouldn’t you expect our PM to respond immediately? He couldn’t even be bothered to turn up at his place of work yesterday and make a statement about it. Meanwhile we have Raab blathering away about the Iranian missile strikes and how bad that is. Erm, why do you think it happened Mr Raab?

 

An ex assistant to Cameron was on 5Live yesterday.

When a PM goes anywhere (personal holiday or not) he/she will have a plethora of assistants etc with them. As well as armed minders and such like.

 

The PM was in communication with the US/FR presidents, Merkel and the Iraqi PM whilst over seas.

That is standard practice.

 

But hey, he didn’t respond to a pointless opposition leader at the click of their fingers......

[Lord Duckhunter]

Whereas Johnson is an adulterous liar who was considered to be morally unsuitable to be leader by the previous PM.

 

I presume you mean Major, rather than May.....You know Major , an adulterous liar, who led the Tories to electoral humiliation. Whilst leading a back to basics moral crusade.

 

Corbyn was also an adulterer, who showed off naked pics of Diane Abbott to his comrades (**** me, I feel my lunch returning).

 

“Morally unsuitable “ Lol , we’re not living in Victorian times.

 

 

 

 

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[sadoldgit]

An ex assistant to Cameron was on 5Live yesterday.

When a PM goes anywhere (personal holiday or not) he/she will have a plethora of assistants etc with them. As well as armed minders and such like.

 

The PM was in communication with the US/FR presidents, Merkel and the Iraqi PM whilst over seas.

That is standard practice.

 

But hey, he didn’t respond to a pointless opposition leader at the click of their fingers......

 

That’s great, but he didn’t feel it worth the effort to show his face or make a statement to the people who have only just elected him. Fair enough. I expect he was far too busy with his latest partner.

[sadoldgit]

I presume you mean Major, rather than May.....You know Major , an adulterous liar, who led the Tories to electoral humiliation. Whilst leading a back to basics moral crusade.

 

Corbyn was also an adulterer, who showed off naked pics of Diane Abbott to his comrades (**** me, I feel my lunch returning).

 

“Morally unsuitable “ Lol , we’re not living in Victorian times.

 

 

 

 

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We all know where you stand with morals and “chicks” Duckie. Johnson and Trump get brownie points for being serial ****gers/adulterers in your book I’m guessing.

[Tamesaint]

I presume you mean Major, rather than May.....You know Major , an adulterous liar, who led the Tories to electoral humiliation. Whilst leading a back to basics moral crusade.

 

Corbyn was also an adulterer, who showed off naked pics of Diane Abbott to his comrades (**** me, I feel my lunch returning).

 

“Morally unsuitable “ Lol , we’re not living in Victorian times.

 

 

 

 

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No. I mean May.

 

I thought you would have liked Victorian times. "Chicks" didn't have the vote, kids were sent up chimneys and you could get completely rat a rsed for a couple of pence down at the "ale house".

 

I guess that "Born too late" is your theme song.

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[sadoldgit]

Whereas Johnson is an adulterous liar who was considered to be morally unsuitable to be leader by the previous PM.

 

It would appear that this is now a minimum requirement if you want a top job in politics in the Western world.

[OldNick]

As I say you must live under a rock and been born yesterday if you think the vitriol and tactics of the “right-leaning” press are the same as the “left”. You must also be a bit dim if you can’t hold two propositions at the same time - there’s no inconsistency or contradiction in claiming that Corbyn was thoroughly unelectable and maintaining that the right-leaning press is uniquely hostile when it has a target in its sights, often just for taking a different position. The world isnt made up of either-ors. Just look at the treatment of Red Ed and his family (never mind many of his policies have been subsequently imitated or copied by the Conservative Party).

 

But there’s no point talking to the least balanced and the most ridiculed poster on here (a view shared across the mboard political spectrum, though GM gives you a run for your money) - you should stick to your dreary, sub-Ceefax match reports pal.

The Guardian did have to apologise regarding their shameful quote about Camerons sad loss

[OldNick]

We all know where you stand with morals and “chicks” Duckie. Johnson and Trump get brownie points for being serial ****gers/adulterers in your book I’m guessing.

Society has changed dramatically, a single mother with child out of wedlock is running for Labour leadership, she wouldn't have a chance 20-30-40 years ago.

[sadoldgit]

What a load of old pony.

 

Corbyn is an anti Semite who attends wreath laying ceremonies for terrorists & takes money from a regime that chucks gays off buildings.

 

 

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Not for the first time you sound like you work for the rabid right wing tabloids. Where is the evidence that Corbyn is an anti Semite? Where is the evidence that he supports terrorist organisations. You see happy to ignore Johnson’s Islamophobic remarks and remarks about bum boys. Hypocritical double standards but that the Tory Party for you. If you have been watching the Christine Keeler programme you will see that nothing has changed amongst your lot.

[shurlock]

The Guardian did have to apologise regarding their shameful quote about Camerons sad loss

 

It was vile and distasteful but it was one renegade columnist. Not a concerted, editorially backed news campaign that filled up the front pages and long exclusives. Do I really need to explain the difference, even to you pal.

Edited 8 January, 2020 by shurlock

[aintforever]

Pony.

 

Luckily we’ve still got them here. 2 of my kids went & 2 didn’t. The 2 that went had a far far superior eduction and there’s a noticeable difference in how employers react to their cv. There’s absolutely no comparison.

It wasn’t long ago either, my youngest left school last year.

 

Lefties have always been the same, wanting to deny others the education they and their offspring have received.

 

 

 

 

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No 'Lefties' just want a good standard of education for everyone. It's right wing loons like you that cry like babies and scream "Venezuela" at the thought of paying the tax needed.

[Wes Tender]

As I say you must live under a rock and been born yesterday if you think the vitriol and tactics of the “right-leaning” press are the same as the “left”. You must also be a bit dim if you can’t hold two propositions at the same time - there’s no inconsistency or contradiction in claiming that Corbyn was thoroughly unelectable and maintaining that the right-leaning press is uniquely hostile when it has a target in its sights, often just for taking a different position. The world isnt made up of either-ors. Just look at the treatment of Red Ed and his family (never mind many of his policies have been subsequently imitated or copied by the Conservative Party).

 

But there’s no point talking to the least balanced and the most ridiculed poster on here (a view shared across the mboard political spectrum, though GM gives you a run for your money) - you should stick to your dreary, sub-Ceefax match reports pal.

 

As usual, your standard and boring MO in action, Gavyn.

 

Stage one: distort what was originally stated as an opinion.

Stage two: Accuse me of being thick if I held the opinion which you deliberately distorted

 

Where did I say that the vitriol and tactics of the right-leaning press are "the same" as the left? That's right, I didn't.

 

Once you have grasped that, then your second sentence becomes largely pointless. The left wing press will naturally attempt to denigrate the right wing parties and vice-versa, What a surprise, eh?

 

Thanks for pointing out that the world isn't made of either-ors, that I must live under a rock, or been born yesterday. You truly are the most patronisingly obnoxious poster on here. I think you must be sulking because I pointed out how you had contradicted yourself on your previous post.

 

If there is no point in talking (down) to me, I'm sure that somebody as brilliant intellectually as you are will be able to figure out the solution. *hint* It involves the ignore button, or even more simply, resisting the temptation to massage your narcissistic tendencies by responding to my posts.

[shurlock]

As usual, your standard and boring MO in action, Gavyn.

 

Stage one: distort what was originally stated as an opinion.

Stage two: Accuse me of being thick if I held the opinion which you deliberately distorted

 

Where did I say that the vitriol and tactics of the right-leaning press are "the same" as the left? That's right, I didn't.

 

Once you have grasped that, then your second sentence becomes largely pointless. The left wing press will naturally attempt to denigrate the right wing parties and vice-versa, What a surprise, eh?

 

Thanks for pointing out that the world isn't made of either-ors, that I must live under a rock, or been born yesterday. You truly are the most patronisingly obnoxious poster on here. I think you must be sulking because I pointed out how you had contradicted yourself on your previous post.

 

If there is no point in talking (down) to me, I'm sure that somebody as brilliant intellectually as you are will be able to figure out the solution. *hint* It involves the ignore button, or even more simply, resisting the temptation to massage your narcissistic tendencies by responding to my posts.

 

Glad we agree then that both sides of the press divide are capable of dishing it out but the right-wing press is far more vitriolic in its attacks.

[hypochondriac]

Corbyn deserved everything he got. Almost all the criticism he got for things like supporting terrorists or inaction with regards to antisemitism is of his own making.

[sadoldgit]

If it were only Corbyn then you would have a point. But it is every single Labour leader. I was just looking at the famous picture The Sun ran of Ed Milligan’s eating a bacon sandwich. They turned a natural everyday occurrence into an image which was supposed to say don’t vote for the bloke as PM, look how silly he looks eating a sandwich. The all powerful press barons do not want a Labour government so they work tirelessly to make sure they are constantly seen in the worst light. Corbyn is not an anti Semite but the media have done their job because people now clearly believe it. Can you just imagine the grief Johnson would have got if he was Labour? They would have torn him apart daily.

[hypochondriac]

If it were only Corbyn then you would have a point. But it is every single Labour leader. I was just looking at the famous picture The Sun ran of Ed Milligan’s eating a bacon sandwich. They turned a natural everyday occurrence into an image which was supposed to say don’t vote for the bloke as PM, look how silly he looks eating a sandwich. The all powerful press barons do not want a Labour government so they work tirelessly to make sure they are constantly seen in the worst light. Corbyn is not an anti Semite but the media have done their job because people now clearly believe it. Can you just imagine the grief Johnson would have got if he was Labour? They would have torn him apart daily.

 

If the media has such a massive effect, why did Tony Blair win by a landslide not so long ago?

[Lord Duckhunter]

We all know where you stand with morals and “chicks” Duckie. Johnson and Trump get brownie points for being serial ****gers/adulterers in your book I’m guessing.

 

What do you think about Corbyn showing his comrades a picture of Abbott naked?

 

 

 

 

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[Weston Super Saint]

If the media has such a massive effect, why did Tony Blair win by a landslide not so long ago?

 

Because it's pony!

 

The press will pick on whoever is weak / stupid / losing. You only need to look at England managers for that - Turnip Taylor anyone?

 

Do a good job and get left alone 9by and large). Be incompetent and get rinsed daily, pretty simple formula that sells newspapers.

[badgerx16]

Corbyn was also an adulterer, who showed off naked pics of Diane Abbott to his comrades.

What do you think about Corbyn showing his comrades a picture of Abbott naked?

Not quite what happened,

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4608480/Jeremy-Corbyn-shares-vintage-portraits-Diane-Abbott.html

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/03/22/revealed-jeremy-corbyn-showed-off-naked-diane-abbott-to-impress/

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[Doctoroncall]

If the media has such a massive effect, why did Tony Blair win by a landslide not so long ago?

 

Lol!

[Lord Duckhunter]

No 'Lefties' just want a good standard of education for everyone. It's right wing loons like you that cry like babies and scream "Venezuela" at the thought of paying the tax needed.

 

 

 

Yes, most lefties wanted my 4 to have the same good education .

 

Im just glad that 2 of them got a fantastic one by attending the local Grammar. Unfortunately, there’s vast areas of the country where that’s denied ordinary joes like me.

 

 

 

 

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[hypochondriac]

Great reply.

[Batman]

was jezza divorced before he was showing off his new piece of ass to his protesting mates in his bedsit?

[badgerx16]

was jezza divorced before he was showing off his new piece of ass to his protesting mates in his bedsit?

He and his wife had separated.

[Batman]

He and his wife had seperated.

 

so, no then. Ta

[whelk]

If the media has such a massive effect, why did Tony Blair win by a landslide not so long ago?

 

Was the Sun wot won it

[Doctoroncall]

Great reply.

 

It was funny! Do you really not know?

 

Do a bit of research about the relationship Blair was courting with Paul Dacre and Rupert Murdoch. Enjoy.

[CB Fry]

The good news is there is a seventh contender for the leadership.

 

Barry Gardiner.

[harvey]

I see the terrorist loving scum bag got skewered at pmqs today by Boris

[shurlock]

The good news is there is a seventh contender for the leadership.

 

Barry Gardiner.

 

AKA George out of Rainbow.