Blasphemy and Duck Rape

[trousers]

1 minute ago, Matthew Le God said:

Which God?

The one that makes humans believe there is more than one...

[badgerx16]

1 minute ago, Matthew Le God said:

Which God?

Anoia, the Goddess of things that get stuck in drawers.

[trousers]

Just now, Matthew Le God said:

I think, therefore I am.

You think or you're made to believe you think...?

[Matthew Le God]

2 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

FFS, the 'demonstrable evidence' at the time was the Word of God, as published in the Bible.  Perhaps mankind and science have progressed since then, but at the time this was accepted wisdom.

Words in an old book is not demonstrable. You clearly do not understand what demonstrable means!

[trousers]

Just now, badgerx16 said:

Anoia, the Goddess of things that get stuck in drawers.

If you saw what was stuck in my drawers you would't call it a Goddess... 

[Weston Super Saint]

23 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

1) Considering some on this forum continue to think I've said there is no God, you are wrong. Some clearly do not know/understand my position. 

2) Nonsense, as a non religious definition is not relevant in a discussion on religion.

1) why am I 'wrong' because 'others' think you've said there is no God? That is beyond all reason.

2) Faith is an all encompassing term that doesn't just have religious connotations. Do you agree that you have non religious faith?

[badgerx16]

2 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

You have answered a question I did not ask. Try answering the one asked.

 

MLG - " But how does that connect to their God rather than another God?"

Badger - "The connection you ask about is FAITH"

[trousers]

1 minute ago, Matthew Le God said:

Words in an old book is not demonstrable. You clearly do not understand what demonstrable means!

That old book that God planted to make people doubt it's authenticity...? 

(Good game this )

[Matthew Le God]

5 minutes ago, trousers said:

Anyway, what's the point of this discussion when no-one has any evidence that any of us exist...?

 

4 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

I think, therefore I am.

 

3 minutes ago, trousers said:

You think or you're made to believe you think...?

Even if I'm being deceived about everything, there must be a me to deceive.

 

[Lighthouse]

I'd just like to casually remind everyone that this absolute absurdity of a thread started with Yorkshire Saint innocently wishing everyone a merry Christmas in 2019.

[badgerx16]

2 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Words in an old book is not demonstrable. You clearly do not understand what demonstrable means!

You clearly, and deliberately, keep missing the point - The people that believe this accept the Bible and Creation as demonstrable proof.

A fourteenth century peasant asked his local priest "How do I know God exists, where is the proof ?", the priest replied "Look about you my son at the glory of God's creation laid out before you".

[Weston Super Saint]

1 minute ago, Lighthouse said:

I'd just like to casually remind everyone that this absolute absurdity of a thread started with Yorkshire Saint innocently wishing everyone a merry Christmas in 2019.

He's got a lot to answer for.

[Matthew Le God]

2 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

MLG - " But how does that connect to their God rather than another God?"

Badger - "The connection you ask about is FAITH"

Can faith be used to justify any position? For example can faith be used to support Viking Gods, Egyptian Gods, God of the Bible etc etc?

[badgerx16]

8 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

I think, therefore I am.

I think, I think I am
Therefore I am, I think

 

Of course you are my bright little star
I've miles and miles of files
Pretty files of your forefather's fruit
And now to suit our great computer
You're magnetic ink.

 

( The Moody Blues - In the Beginning )

Edited Thursday at 20:31 by badgerx16

[Weston Super Saint]

Just now, Matthew Le God said:

Can faith be used to justify any position? For example can faith be used to support Viking Gods, Egyptian Gods, God of the Bible etc etc?

Yes.

[trousers]

3 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

 

 

Even if I'm being deceived about everything, there must be a me to deceive.

 

Depends on whose dream this particular universe is taking place in... Either way, you've got no evidence that you actually exist...

Edited Thursday at 20:33 by trousers

[badgerx16]

3 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

I'd just like to casually remind everyone that this absolute absurdity of a thread started with Yorkshire Saint innocently wishing everyone a merry Christmas in 2019.

So it's his fault.

[badgerx16]

2 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Can faith be used to justify any position? For example can faith be used to support Viking Gods, Egyptian Gods, God of the Bible etc etc?

To the people that hold such faith, yes. Is this the bit you find so hard to comprehend ?

 

[trousers]

Genuine question.... Why are people debating the existence of God with MLG when he's repeatedly stated that he hasn't ruled out the existence of God...?

Edited Thursday at 20:35 by trousers

[badgerx16]

3 minutes ago, trousers said:

Depends on whose dream this particular universe is taking place in... 

Or which iteration of the Matrix.

[Matthew Le God]

2 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

You clearly, and deliberately, keep missing the point - The people that believe this accept the Bible and Creation as demonstrable proof.

A fourteenth century peasant asked his local priest "How do I know God exists, where is the proof ?", the priest replied "Look about you my son at the glory of God's creation laid out before you".

Saying “look at the trees” is based on personal wonder or intuition, not on empirical data or a testable hypothesis. It’s an emotional or aesthetic appeal, not a logical argument that is demonstrable. 

[Turkish]

5 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

I'd just like to casually remind everyone that this absolute absurdity of a thread started with Yorkshire Saint innocently wishing everyone a merry Christmas in 2019.

The thread took a turn when MLG outed himself as hypocrite by celebrating a festival associated with the birth of son of someone he doesn’t believe exists. 5 years 4 months and 70 pages all because MLG is a hypocrite 

[badgerx16]

Just now, trousers said:

Genuine question.... Why are people debating the existence of God with MLG when he's repeatedly stated that he hasn't ruled out the existence of God...?

We are testing how firmly he holds faith in that assertion.

[Matthew Le God]

5 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Can faith be used to justify any position? For example can faith be used to support Viking Gods, Egyptian Gods, God of the Bible etc etc?

 

4 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Yes.

I said 'any position' and you have no agreed. So if faith can be used to support any position then it can be used to support directly contradictory positions. If it can support directly contradictory positions then it is not a reliable path to truth as both cannot be correct. 

[Turkish]

1 minute ago, trousers said:

Genuine question.... Why are people debating the existence of God with MLG when he's repeatedly stated that he hasn't ruled out the existence of God...?

But he’s also claimed if he doesn’t have evidence he doesn’t believe it in, he’s claimed that there is no evidence for the god of the bible. Yet he won’t rule out the existence of one. Sounds like he’s taken over your mantel as a  fence sitter extraordinaire  

[trousers]

Just now, Turkish said:

But he’s also claimed if he doesn’t have evidence he doesn’t believe it in, he’s claimed that there is no evidence for the god of the bible. Yet he won’t rule out the existence of one. Sounds like he’s taken over your mantel as a  fence sitter extraordinaire  

There's plenty of room on my fence for fellow open-minded people

[AlexLaw76]

I know god exists...he has a f-ing big nose, was good a free kicks and was criminally under-used for England.

[Matthew Le God]

2 minutes ago, Turkish said:

The thread took a turn when MLG outed himself as hypocrite by celebrating a festival associated with the birth of son of someone he doesn’t believe exists. 5 years 4 months and 70 pages all because MLG is a hypocrite 

Winter festivals in late December, seeing friends and relatives giving presents and having a tree in your house pre date Christianity. As has been pointed out to you numerous times in this thread. Yet you still bring it up. No religious element is required for all those pre Christianity traditions. So no hypocritical element at all!

[badgerx16]

2 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Saying “look at the trees” is based on personal wonder or intuition, not on empirical data or a testable hypothesis. It’s an emotional or aesthetic appeal, not a logical argument that is demonstrable. 

NO !!!!!!!!!

Try to understand, for a large number of people the "empirical data" is Creation and the Bible. This is what they believe and accept as proven fact.

Just suck it up.

[trousers]

1 minute ago, Matthew Le God said:

Winter festivals in late December, seeing friends and relatives giving presents and having a tree in your house pre date Christianity. As has been pointed out to you numerous times in this thread. Yet you still bring it up. No religious element is required for all those pre Christianity traditions. So no hypocritical element at all!

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[badgerx16]

3 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

 

I said 'any position' and you have no agreed. So if faith can be used to support any position then it can be used to support directly contradictory positions. If it can support directly contradictory positions then it is not a reliable path to truth as both cannot be correct. 

Faith is not a single thing - my faith is different to that of the Bishop of Liverpool, the Patriarch of the Orthodox Church in Ukraine, the Chief Rabbi,or the Ayatollahs in Iran. All of us still, however, have it.

[badgerx16]

1 minute ago, trousers said:

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Edited Thursday at 20:45 by badgerx16

[Matthew Le God]

3 minutes ago, Turkish said:

But he’s also claimed if he doesn’t have evidence he doesn’t believe it in, he’s claimed that there is no evidence for the god of the bible. Yet he won’t rule out the existence of one. Sounds like he’s taken over your mantel as a  fence sitter extraordinaire  

I'm happy to say a literal word for word God of the Bible does not exist as the account of him is deeply flawed. I do not know if there another God or not. Saying you do not know is the rational position if there is not demonstrable evidence for it. This is a fundamental issue Turkish, admitting you do not know something due to a lack of evidence is rational. Using a God of the gaps fallacy...is irrational. 

 

[badgerx16]

5 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

I know god exists...he has a f-ing big nose, was good a free kicks and was criminally under-used for England.

And Jesus was our right back.

[trousers]

1 minute ago, badgerx16 said:

10 Bite_Count = 0

20 Bite_Count = Bite_Count + 1

30 Goto 20

Have we reached arithmetic overflow yet...?

[Turkish]

5 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Winter festivals in late December, seeing friends and relatives giving presents and having a tree in your house pre date Christianity. As has been pointed out to you numerous times in this thread. Yet you still bring it up. No religious element is required for all those pre Christianity traditions. So no hypocritical element at all!

Still denying it 😂

 

did you wish everyone a happy winter festival? Course you did 😂

[Matthew Le God]

4 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

NO !!!!!!!!!

Try to understand, for a large number of people the "empirical data" is Creation and the Bible. This is what they believe and accept as proven fact.

Just suck it up.

Yet again... you don't understand what demonstrable means. What is the demonstrable link between a tree and the God of the Bible rather than Odin or the thousands of other Gods?

[trousers]

1 minute ago, Matthew Le God said:

the account of him is deeply flawed

As I say, how do you know for certain that it wasn't His intention to make you think that...? 

[Weston Super Saint]

7 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

 

I said 'any position' and you have no agreed. So if faith can be used to support any position then it can be used to support directly contradictory positions. If it can support directly contradictory positions then it is not a reliable path to truth as both cannot be correct. 

Only by your understanding of concepts.

It just proves that you aren't as intelligent as you think you are and you certainly have zero emotional intelligence.

You cannot accept simple constructs of belief.

Just because you, personally, don't believe something, doesn't mean others can't or shouldn't.

You need to work on yourself before proclaiming that others are wrong.

[Matthew Le God]

4 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Still denying it 😂

did you wish everyone a happy winter festival? Course you did 😂

Merry Saturnalia Turkish!

What Christian religious element is there to giving gifts? Gift giving, eating lots of food in late December, having a tree in the house all pre date Christianity! Why can't you grasp that? 

[badgerx16]

Just now, trousers said:

Have we reached arithmetic overflow yet...?

Many moons ago I was Technical Team Leader at a VME mainframe site, where our senior systems analyst made a slight alteration to a transaction proicessing program, which he said was so minor he didn't need to test it before making the new version "live". He altered the line that preset a variable used in a logic loop, simply changing the preset number. However, what he had done was blow the subsequent logic that exited the loop and caused the entire mainframe to go into an infinite loop. The only way to break it was to shut down the entire TP system, multiple applications, and restart it.

I was, shall we say, not very happy with him.

[Matthew Le God]

7 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Only by your understanding of concepts.

It just proves that you aren't as intelligent as you think you are and you certainly have zero emotional intelligence.

You cannot accept simple constructs of belief.

Just because you, personally, don't believe something, doesn't mean others can't or shouldn't.

You need to work on yourself before proclaiming that others are wrong.

Can faith be used to support any position? If so then it can be used to support directly contradictory positions.

If it can support directly contradictory positions then it is not a reliable path to truth as both cannot be correct. 

You failed to give a reason why that is wrong! You agreed faith can be used to support 'any position'. So it is a deeply flawed path to truth.

Edited Thursday at 20:56 by Matthew Le God

[badgerx16]

6 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Yet again... you don't understand what demonstrable means. What is the demonstrable link between a tree and the God of the Bible rather than Odin or the thousands of other Gods?

I am not saying I think it is demostrable, I am saying the people who believe it accept it as such. Is the diffenece so hard for you to understand.

[trousers]

1 minute ago, badgerx16 said:

Many moons ago I was Technical Team Leader at a VME mainframe site, where our senior systems analyst made a slight alteration to a transaction proicessing program, which he said was so minor he didn't need to test it before making the new version "live". He altered the line that preset a variable used in a logic loop, simply changing the preset number. However, what he had done was blow the subsequent logic that exited the loop and caused the entire mainframe to go into an infinite loop. The only way to break it was to shut down the entire TP system, multiple applications, and restart it.

I was, shall we say, not very happy with him.

Having been in the IT industry myself for almost 40 years, I feel your pain

[badgerx16]

3 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

 

What Christian religious element is there to giving gifts?

The 3 Kings.

[Raging Bull]

17 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

I know god exists...he has a f-ing big nose, was good a free kicks and was criminally under-used for England.

He’s also a Christian. 

[Matthew Le God]

2 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

The 3 Kings.

Giving gifts in late December pre dates Christianity.

Christianity magpies a lot of things from older traditions. Virgin births, resurrection, gift giving, trees on houses etc etc all pre date Christianity absorbing them into the cult.

Edited Thursday at 20:59 by Matthew Le God

[badgerx16]

2 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Can faith be used to support any position then it can be used to support directly contradictory positions?

If it can support directly contradictory positions then it is not a reliable path to truth as both cannot be correct. 

You failed to give a reason why that I'd wrong! You agreed faith can be used to support 'any position'. So it is a deeply flawed path to truth.

Sunni Muslims have faith in their interpretation of Islam, Shia muslims have faith in theirs

Muslims have faith in one interpretation of Abrahamic tradition, Christians support another, Jews a third. 

[badgerx16]

3 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Giving gifts in late December pre dates Christianity.

 

I know, but you asked for the Christian basis and I gave it. Just stop perpetually trying to find new, "clever", ways to justify your pedantism..

Christians BELIEVE, nothing you post on here will alter that fact.

Edited Thursday at 21:03 by badgerx16

[trousers]

6 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Giving gifts in late December pre dates Christianity.

Christianity magpies a lot of things from older traditions. Virgin births, resurrection, gift giving, trees on houses etc etc all pre date Christianity absorbing them into the cult.

Just because an activity existed before someone else later carried out the same activity doesn't necessarily mean they did it just because it pre-existed. They might have had their own reasons for doing an activity that others happened to have done before for different reasons.

 

Edited Thursday at 21:05 by trousers