Blasphemy and Duck Rape

[Holmes_and_Watson]

Infallible wiki says...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Nazi_Germany

[sadoldgit]

3 hours ago, whelk said:

There are books written about all manner of shite and any old theory will have nutjobs quoting it. You maybe aware that the rise of the Nazis was quite a big story and has probably been analysed more than any other period in history. But hey Hitler was a Christian fundamalist. Do you think this is a conspiracy only you and your double barrelled author know the truth? 
 

It’s got nothing to do with me knowing the truth. If anyone knows about this stuff it would be Hitler himself, yes? There are plenty of positive references to God and Christianity in Mein Kampf. Nice try in trying to make this about me but if you bothered to look at what has been written on the subject (as you say the Nazi period has been very well analysed) perhaps you would understand that this is not a conspiracy, it is an accurate depiction of what was going on in Germany during this period. I mentioned one book but there are plenty of others along with numerous articles on religion under the National Socialists in Germany by well respected authors and historians. Below is a quote from another “nut job”.

 

The evidence that Hitler was a staunch Christian is overwhelming. He banned secular education in Germany on the basis that Christian religious instruction is essential to moral development, repeatedly vilified atheism, and although he often clashed with Catholic bishops over his ill-treatment of Jews, Hitler did not perceive himself as being anti-Christian, but rather as bringing the Church back to what he saw as its proper, traditional role in persecuting the pestilent. While negotiating the Reichskonkordat, Hitler said to Bishop Berning that suppressing Jews was, “doing Christianity a great service by pushing them out of schools and public functions.”

There are numerous other examples, from Mein Kampf (“only fools and criminals would think of abolishing existing religion”), to Hitler’s letters (1941: “I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so”), to the Gott Mit Uns motto on German army uniforms during the Nazi era, to the Lutheran Church in Berlin, full of carvings celebrating Hitler’s rise to power (including an exquisitely carved SA paramilitary trooper on the baptismal font), to the amended 1934 loyalty oath of the German military (“I swear by almighty God this sacred oath: I will render unconditional obedience to the Führer of the German Reich and people, Adolf Hitler, Supreme Commander of the Wehrmacht…”).

 

As I said before, Hitler was all about power and control and what went on in his head, God only knows (pun intended) but the actual issue here is was Germany a “Christian” country under the National Socialists and it very clearly was. 

Edited 31 March, 2023 by sadoldgit
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[The Kraken]

Bloody hell, dig up man 

[whelk]

3 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

The evidence that Hitler was a staunch Christian is overwhelming

The belt buckle?  Genuinely think if you actually believe this you need help. 

[Weston Super Saint]

I can't believe you lot don't believe Hitler was a Christian.

Such a forgiving, turn the other cheek, stand up guy like good old Adolf couldn't possibly be anything other than a Christian 

But I guess haters always gonna hate.

[whelk]

1 minute ago, Weston Super Saint said:

I can't believe you lot don't believe Hitler was a Christian.

Such a forgiving, turn the other cheek, stand up guy like good old Adolf couldn't possibly be anything other than a Christian 

But I guess haters always gonna hate.

WW2 was basically a religious war with different Christian factions fighting it out. Lord knows why Japan piled in?

[CB Fry]

14 minutes ago, whelk said:

The belt buckle?  Genuinely think if you actually believe this you need help. 

🤣 The bloody belt buckle 🤣

[whelk]

Just now, CB Fry said:

🤣 The bloody belt buckle 🤣

The one thing that I can’t explain. Makes you think

[sadoldgit]

16 hours ago, whelk said:

WW2 was basically a religious war with different Christian factions fighting it out. Lord knows why Japan piled in?

Getting back to the point which the forum thickies seem unable to grasp, this has nothing to do with Hitler and chums being thoroughly decent types who turn the other check and help old ladies across the road. No one doubts that they were unhinged psychos. This original started when the forum Islamophobes would have it that Islam was the font of all evil and disputed that “Christians” were also responsible for abhorrent atrocities which is where Nazi Germany raised its head.

In 1939 Germany was  Christian country. A census in May 1939 shows that 54% claimed to be Protestant, 41% Catholic, 3.5% claimed a belief in God and 1.5% were atheist. By my basic maths that makes 95% claimed to be Christian. Of these 95% a number would by party members, would serve in the army, would work in munitions factories, would work in concentration camps etc so essentially they would play their part in the war effort and the Holocaust.

Christians.

Whatever Hitler and the rest of his party’s spiritual beliefs really were, they clearly embraced the notion of a God. That would be the father of Jesus, therefore a Christian God. This is very well documented and is not something that I have made up.

The Protestant church broadly supported the National Socialists in their rise to power. The vast majority of Nazi party members remained affiliated to the church.

For all of the cheap jokes about belt buckles, Hitler and his cronies clearly saw the benefit in keeping onside with the German people so used religion as part of their ideology. That religion was Christianity.

I get that Weston SS and his buddies aren’t bright enough to understand the difference between holding religious beliefs and actions but I thought you were a bit brighter than that.Europe was full of armies of different nationalities in WW2 who were raised as Christians and told “thou shall not kill”.  If you follow his logic, the European war should never have happened because the majority of Allied/Axis combatants were Christian and, by nature, should have refused to take up arms.

I am sure I don’t have to remind you that the mostly Christian Allied forces carpet bombed hundreds of thousands of German civilians. As we have seen time and again, it is perfectly possible to hold religious beliefs and to also carry out inhuman acts.

Anyway, I will leave you to your facile belt buckle jibes.
 

 

 

 

[badgerx16]

17 hours ago, whelk said:

WW2 was basically a religious war with different Christian factions fighting it out.

Basically a continuation of the preceding 1600 years of European history, ( and 400 years of American history ), with fewer burnings at the stake but bigger bombs. How many millions through history have been exterminated in God's name ?

 

I haven't been following the whole belt buckle theme, but do know that the Wermacht in WW2 had "Gott mit uns" on their belt buckles

Also, on their enlistment papers, recruits to the SS had to state they were either Protestant, Catholic, or 'Believer in God'.

Make of that what you will, and mock it if you think necessary.

Edited 1 April, 2023 by badgerx16

[Weston Super Saint]

22 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Getting back to the point which the forum thickies seem unable to grasp, this has nothing to do with Hitler and chums being thoroughly decent types who turn the other check and help old ladies across the road. No one doubts that they were unhinged psychos. This original started when the forum Islamophobes would have it that Islam was the font of all evil and disputed that “Christians” were also responsible for abhorrent atrocities which is where Nazi Germany raised its head.

In 1939 Germany was  Christian country. A census in May 1939 shows that 54% claimed to be Protestant, 41% Catholic, 3.5% claimed a belief in God and 1.5% were atheist. By my basic maths that makes 95% claimed to be Christian. Of these 95% a number would by party members, would serve in the army, would work in munitions factories, would work in concentration camps etc so essentially they would play their part in the war effort and the Holocaust.

Christians.

Whatever Hitler and the rest of his party’s spiritual beliefs really were, they clearly embraced the notion of a God. That would be the father of Jesus, therefore a Christian God. This is very well documented and is not something that I have made up.

The Protestant church broadly supported the National Socialists in their rise to power. The vast majority of Nazi party members remained affiliated to the church.

For all of the cheap jokes about belt buckles, Hitler and his cronies clearly saw the benefit in keeping onside with the German people so used religion as part of their ideology. That religion was Christianity.

I get that Weston SS and his buddies aren’t bright enough to understand the difference between holding religious beliefs and actions but I thought you were a bit brighter than that.Europe was full of armies of different nationalities in WW2 who were raised as Christians and told “thou shall not kill”.  If you follow his logic, the European war should never have happened because the majority of Allied/Axis combatants were Christian and, by nature, should have refused to take up arms.

I am sure I don’t have to remind you that the mostly Christian Allied forces carpet bombed hundreds of thousands of German civilians. As we have seen time and again, it is perfectly possible to hold religious beliefs and to also carry out inhuman acts.

Anyway, I will leave you to your facile belt buckle jibes.
 

 

 

 

Jesus wept.

[Turkish]

48 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Getting back to the point which the forum thickies seem unable to grasp, this has nothing to do with Hitler and chums being thoroughly decent types who turn the other check and help old ladies across the road. No one doubts that they were unhinged psychos. This original started when the forum Islamophobes would have it that Islam was the font of all evil and disputed that “Christians” were also responsible for abhorrent atrocities which is where Nazi Germany raised its head.

In 1939 Germany was  Christian country. A census in May 1939 shows that 54% claimed to be Protestant, 41% Catholic, 3.5% claimed a belief in God and 1.5% were atheist. By my basic maths that makes 95% claimed to be Christian. Of these 95% a number would by party members, would serve in the army, would work in munitions factories, would work in concentration camps etc so essentially they would play their part in the war effort and the Holocaust.

Christians.

Whatever Hitler and the rest of his party’s spiritual beliefs really were, they clearly embraced the notion of a God. That would be the father of Jesus, therefore a Christian God. This is very well documented and is not something that I have made up.

The Protestant church broadly supported the National Socialists in their rise to power. The vast majority of Nazi party members remained affiliated to the church.

For all of the cheap jokes about belt buckles, Hitler and his cronies clearly saw the benefit in keeping onside with the German people so used religion as part of their ideology. That religion was Christianity.

I get that Weston SS and his buddies aren’t bright enough to understand the difference between holding religious beliefs and actions but I thought you were a bit brighter than that.Europe was full of armies of different nationalities in WW2 who were raised as Christians and told “thou shall not kill”.  If you follow his logic, the European war should never have happened because the majority of Allied/Axis combatants were Christian and, by nature, should have refused to take up arms.

I am sure I don’t have to remind you that the mostly Christian Allied forces carpet bombed hundreds of thousands of German civilians. As we have seen time and again, it is perfectly possible to hold religious beliefs and to also carry out inhuman acts.

Anyway, I will leave you to your facile belt buckle jibes.
 

 

 

 

Take that forum thickies, Sog has told you now!

[Weston Super Saint]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

Take that forum thickies, Sog has told you now!

Although Soggy does seem to have confused himself between religious intolerance leading to religious wars and some people who have read a couple of chapters of the bible fighting in a World War.  They're not the same, but I don't think he'll be convinced 

[Weston Super Saint]

1 hour ago, badgerx16 said:

Basically a continuation of the preceding 1600 years of European history, ( and 400 years of American history ), with fewer burnings at the stake but bigger bombs. How many millions through history have been exterminated in God's name ?

 

I haven't been following the whole belt buckle theme, but do know that the Wermacht in WW2 had "Gott mit uns" on their belt buckles

Also, on their enlistment papers, recruits to the SS had to state they were either Protestant, Catholic, or 'Believer in God'.

Make of that what you will, and mock it if you think necessary.

Do you think WW2 was a holy war, you know, like the crusades and that?

[badgerx16]

32 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Do you think WW2 was a holy war, you know, like the crusades and that?

Considering they prayed to the God of Peace, both sides in the European, ( Western and Eastern fronts ), and North African theatres certainly stretched a point, although Stalin did bring the Orthodox Church back into mainstream Russian life to boost morale and desire to defend Mother Russia. As for being like the Crusades, no, because we weren't liberating the Holy Land from infidels, ( as Britain already occupied it as the Palestine Mandate ).

[Weston Super Saint]

31 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Considering they prayed to the God of Peace, both sides in the European, ( Western and Eastern fronts ), and North African theatres certainly stretched a point, although Stalin did bring the Orthodox Church back into mainstream Russian life to boost morale and desire to defend Mother Russia. As for being like the Crusades, no, because we weren't liberating the Holy Land from infidels, ( as Britain already occupied it as the Palestine Mandate ).

Therein lies the difference. Soggy is convinced it was a holy crusade. 

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Although Soggy does seem to have confused himself between religious intolerance leading to religious wars and some people who have read a couple of chapters of the bible fighting in a World War.  They're not the same, but I don't think he'll be convinced 

Are you suggesting that in Soggys desperation to appear like a great guy he has, not for the first time, tied himself up in knots?

[egg]

3 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

Getting back to the point which the forum thickies seem unable to grasp, this has nothing to do with Hitler and chums being thoroughly decent types who turn the other check and help old ladies across the road. No one doubts that they were unhinged psychos. This original started when the forum Islamophobes would have it that Islam was the font of all evil and disputed that “Christians” were also responsible for abhorrent atrocities which is where Nazi Germany raised its head.

In 1939 Germany was  Christian country. A census in May 1939 shows that 54% claimed to be Protestant, 41% Catholic, 3.5% claimed a belief in God and 1.5% were atheist. By my basic maths that makes 95% claimed to be Christian. Of these 95% a number would by party members, would serve in the army, would work in munitions factories, would work in concentration camps etc so essentially they would play their part in the war effort and the Holocaust.

Christians.

Whatever Hitler and the rest of his party’s spiritual beliefs really were, they clearly embraced the notion of a God. That would be the father of Jesus, therefore a Christian God. This is very well documented and is not something that I have made up.

The Protestant church broadly supported the National Socialists in their rise to power. The vast majority of Nazi party members remained affiliated to the church.

For all of the cheap jokes about belt buckles, Hitler and his cronies clearly saw the benefit in keeping onside with the German people so used religion as part of their ideology. That religion was Christianity.

I get that Weston SS and his buddies aren’t bright enough to understand the difference between holding religious beliefs and actions but I thought you were a bit brighter than that.Europe was full of armies of different nationalities in WW2 who were raised as Christians and told “thou shall not kill”.  If you follow his logic, the European war should never have happened because the majority of Allied/Axis combatants were Christian and, by nature, should have refused to take up arms.

I am sure I don’t have to remind you that the mostly Christian Allied forces carpet bombed hundreds of thousands of German civilians. As we have seen time and again, it is perfectly possible to hold religious beliefs and to also carry out inhuman acts.

Anyway, I will leave you to your facile belt buckle jibes.
 

 

 

 

I can't be arsed to read back through this exchange, but I don't know wtf your point is. If it's that WW2 was a war fought in the name of God or religion, it wasn't. If it's merely that Hitler might have believed in God, that's a shit point, and pointless one.

Your finest forum moments have been pretty shit SOG, but you're having a nightmare here mate. 

Edited 1 April, 2023 by egg

[Weston Super Saint]

12 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Are you suggesting that in Soggys desperation to appear like a great guy he has, not for the first time, tied himself up in knots?

I'm not sure we should continue mocking what is clearly an age related affliction.

[Turkish]

2 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

I'm not sure we should continue mocking what is clearly an age related affliction.

Interesting point. Are you a twat from birth or do you become one?

[badgerx16]

17 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Interesting point. Are you a twat from birth or do you become one?

Nature or nurture ?

[Turkish]

1 minute ago, badgerx16 said:

Nature or nurture ?

I think in Soggys case with all the racism stuff he’s trying to over compensate for a dark past. For his general twatishness he couldnt have been such a bellend when he was, say 6 years old, surely?

[badgerx16]

10 minutes ago, Turkish said:

I think in Soggys case with all the racism stuff he’s trying to over compensate for a dark past. For his general twatishness he couldnt have been such a bellend when he was, say 6 years old, surely?

The World was a different place before you were born Turks. I know, I was there.

[whelk]

SOG gets enough stick but fuck me I am struggling to comprehend how stupid he is here. Yorkshire Ripper went to Sunday school. Murderous Christian bastard

And fucking hell Badger I thought you were brighter.  Still only on Saintweb do I come across such mental people.

[Turkish]

22 minutes ago, whelk said:

SOG gets enough stick but fuck me I am struggling to comprehend how stupid he is here. Yorkshire Ripper went to Sunday school. Murderous Christian bastard

And fucking hell Badger I thought you were brighter.  Still only on Saintweb do I come across such mental people.

Pipe down forum thicky. It’s you and the others that don’t get it. 

[badgerx16]

1 hour ago, whelk said:

And fucking hell Badger I thought you were brighter.  Still only on Saintweb do I come across such mental people.

WTF is this about ?

[sadoldgit]

On 01/04/2023 at 14:22, badgerx16 said:

Basically a continuation of the preceding 1600 years of European history, ( and 400 years of American history ), with fewer burnings at the stake but bigger bombs. How many millions through history have been exterminated in God's name ?

 

I haven't been following the whole belt buckle theme, but do know that the Wermacht in WW2 had "Gott mit uns" on their belt buckles

Also, on their enlistment papers, recruits to the SS had to state they were either Protestant, Catholic, or 'Believer in God'.

Make of that what you will, and mock it if you think necessary.

The belt buckle thing goes way back. There was/is a very small group of posters on here who seem to believe that the minute that war broke out someone flipped a switch and Germany lost all religious beliefs overnight. Someone pointed out that the German army uniform carried the words “God With Us” on the belt buckles and for some unfathomable reason this small group of people thought that this was very funny and one of them will bring it up every now again. I assume they do so in the mistaken belief that it proved their position right and how clever they are whereas most people with any vestige of intelligence will see that it just makes them look like berks. I wonder if the people who designed and signed off on the uniform were aware that any use of the word God on it would be assumed as purely decorative less than 100 years later?
 

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, sadoldgit said:

The belt buckle thing goes way back. There was/is a very small group of posters on here who seem to believe that the minute that war broke out someone flipped a switch and Germany lost all religious beliefs overnight. Someone pointed out that the German army uniform carried the words “God With Us” on the belt buckles and for some unfathomable reason this small group of people thought that this was very funny and one of them will bring it up every now again. I assume they do so in the mistaken belief that it proved their position right and how clever they are whereas most people with any vestige of intelligence will see that it just makes them look like berks. I wonder if the people who designed and signed off on the uniform were aware that any use of the word God on it would be assumed as purely decorative less than 100 years later?
 

But every single person that has posted on this subject has said you’re talking bollocks. When you think it’s everyone else it usually isn’t. 

[whelk]

1 hour ago, sadoldgit said:

The belt buckle thing goes way back. There was/is a very small group of posters on here who seem to believe that the minute that war broke out someone flipped a switch and Germany lost all religious beliefs overnight. Someone pointed out that the German army uniform carried the words “God With Us” on the belt buckles and for some unfathomable reason this small group of people thought that this was very funny and one of them will bring it up every now again. I assume they do so in the mistaken belief that it proved their position right and how clever they are whereas most people with any vestige of intelligence will see that it just makes them look like berks. I wonder if the people who designed and signed off on the uniform were aware that any use of the word God on it would be assumed as purely decorative less than 100 years later?
 

The small group was basically everyone but one other twat who was similar minded and desperate to absolve Muslim terrorists and equate with atrocities done by non-Muslims, you  know those God fearing Christian Nazis. Thick as fuck