hypochondriac Posted 23 July, 2020 Share Posted 23 July, 2020 4 minutes ago, egg said: How it happens I appreciate is open to discussion. All I can say is things moved and it was weird. Fair enough that's probably true. It's jot evidence of the paranormal though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 23 July, 2020 Share Posted 23 July, 2020 Just now, hypochondriac said: Fair enough that's probably true. It's not evidence of the paranormal though. But an old book describing miracles and resurrections is acceptable evidence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 23 July, 2020 Share Posted 23 July, 2020 1 minute ago, Matthew Le God said: But an old book describing miracles and resurrections is acceptable evidence? Definitely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 23 July, 2020 Share Posted 23 July, 2020 2 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: Fair enough that's probably true. It's jot evidence of the paranormal though. Fair point. Subconscious actions are a possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 23 July, 2020 Share Posted 23 July, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: Definitely. So... Ouiji boards = bullshit Old books describing walking on water and resurrections = top evidence and conclusive proof Edited 23 July, 2020 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 23 July, 2020 Share Posted 23 July, 2020 He moves in mysterious ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 23 July, 2020 Share Posted 23 July, 2020 2 minutes ago, egg said: Fair point. Subconscious actions are a possibility. Care to have a stab at which is the more likely answer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 23 July, 2020 Share Posted 23 July, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: He moves in mysterious ways. He certainly does! That 100% kind and loving guy... Edited 23 July, 2020 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 23 July, 2020 Share Posted 23 July, 2020 8 minutes ago, egg said: How does walking around a city compare to a board? Don't get me wrong, you may be right, all I know is it was freaky. Basically, the person was making tiny subconscious muscle movements they weren’t even aware of, which lead Darren in the right direction at every turning an crossroads. I guess with a ouijaBoard people will subconsciously do what they expect to happen. I have a very vague recollection of a doctor talking about a sort of anti-placebo effect. For example, if the governments top medical advisors told us all that wobbling heads was a side effect of Covid-19, some people would be turning up at A&E with their head wobbling uncontrollably. Subconsciously you do it because it’s what you expect to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 23 July, 2020 Share Posted 23 July, 2020 6 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: Basically, the person was making tiny subconscious muscle movements they weren’t even aware of, which lead Darren in the right direction at every turning an crossroads. I guess with a ouijaBoard people will subconsciously do what they expect to happen. I have a very vague recollection of a doctor talking about a sort of anti-placebo effect. For example, if the governments top medical advisors told us all that wobbling heads was a side effect of Covid-19, some people would be turning up at A&E with their head wobbling uncontrollably. Subconsciously you do it because it’s what you expect to happen. MLG needs to give his head a wobble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 23 July, 2020 Share Posted 23 July, 2020 Just now, hypochondriac said: MLG needs to give his head a wobble. Something might fall out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 23 July, 2020 Share Posted 23 July, 2020 17 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: Something might fall out Doubtful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 23 July, 2020 Share Posted 23 July, 2020 21 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: Something might fall out 3 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: Doubtful. Perhaps a loose tooth ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 23 July, 2020 Share Posted 23 July, 2020 1 hour ago, whelk said: Do you mean you are not thick? Come on mate the game was up a while ago😀 Conclusion? Life is a mystery. Only smug patronising atheists think they have the answers as can only think at very shallow level Link please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 23 July, 2020 Share Posted 23 July, 2020 36 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: Basically, the person was making tiny subconscious muscle movements they weren’t even aware of, which lead Darren in the right direction at every turning an crossroads. I guess with a ouijaBoard people will subconsciously do what they expect to happen. I have a very vague recollection of a doctor talking about a sort of anti-placebo effect. For example, if the governments top medical advisors told us all that wobbling heads was a side effect of Covid-19, some people would be turning up at A&E with their head wobbling uncontrollably. Subconsciously you do it because it’s what you expect to happen. Interesting. In my case names were spelt out which meant nothing to anyone present, all of us then kids. Also words in nobody's known vocabulary. If that's unconscious stuff, it's very odd, particularly when nobody really knew what to expect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 23 July, 2020 Share Posted 23 July, 2020 11 minutes ago, egg said: Interesting. In my case names were spelt out which meant nothing to anyone present, all of us then kids. Also words in nobody's known vocabulary. If that's unconscious stuff, it's very odd, particularly when nobody really knew what to expect. I don’t know the ins and outs of it, only that I’ve had seen the basics explained and that someone with a moderate understanding of psychology and human behaviour would be able to explain it more comprehensively. The human brain is one of the least understood and most complex entities in nature. For example, last night I dreamt that I was a supervisor at a construction site where my assistant, a blonde lady called Christine, was explaining that none of the lifts were working. I went to inspect and the lifts hasn’t been installed - dozens of people in suits were just standing in the lift shafts waiting. I’ve never worked in construction or with a woman called Christine but my brain managed to subconsciously come up with that nonsense out of nothing. I believe it’s easily possibly to subconsciously come up with names and words you’ve never heard of on a ouija board, even though I don’t understand how. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 23 July, 2020 Share Posted 23 July, 2020 2 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: I don’t know the ins and outs of it, only that I’ve had seen the basics explained and that someone with a moderate understanding of psychology and human behaviour would be able to explain it more comprehensively. The human brain is one of the least understood and most complex entities in nature. For example, last night I dreamt that I was a supervisor at a construction site where my assistant, a blonde lady called Christine, was explaining that none of the lifts were working. I went to inspect and the lifts hasn’t been installed - dozens of people in suits were just standing in the lift shafts waiting. I’ve never worked in construction or with a woman called Christine but my brain managed to subconsciously come up with that nonsense out of nothing. I believe it’s easily possibly to subconsciously come up with names and words you’ve never heard of on a ouija board, even though I don’t understand how. All possible - I'm open minded about this sort of stuff. That dream though 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 23 July, 2020 Share Posted 23 July, 2020 41 minutes ago, egg said: All possible - I'm open minded about this sort of stuff. That dream though 😂 As long as people are genuinely open minded, that’s all I can really ask. The human mind and the origins of the Big Bang are two of the most fascinating unexplained phenomena in nature. To be honest I find it a little sad that some people are willing to simply say, "God did it," and leave it there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 23 July, 2020 Share Posted 23 July, 2020 4 hours ago, Lighthouse said: I don’t know the ins and outs of it, only that I’ve had seen the basics explained and that someone with a moderate understanding of psychology and human behaviour would be able to explain it more comprehensively. The human brain is one of the least understood and most complex entities in nature. For example, last night I dreamt that I was a supervisor at a construction site where my assistant, a blonde lady called Christine, was explaining that none of the lifts were working. I went to inspect and the lifts hasn’t been installed - dozens of people in suits were just standing in the lift shafts waiting. I’ve never worked in construction or with a woman called Christine but my brain managed to subconsciously come up with that nonsense out of nothing. I believe it’s easily possibly to subconsciously come up with names and words you’ve never heard of on a ouija board, even though I don’t understand how. Did Christine have really big tits? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 24 July, 2020 Share Posted 24 July, 2020 15 hours ago, Matthew Le God said: 1) Please try to not resort to petty insults 2) Yes, and I have an idea where you are trying to go with this and it is flawed Do you? How do you know? What tests have you put into practice to define your love? Is it actual love or are you just delusional? Have you and she provided sufficient evidence that your relationship is based on love, if so what was it? What was evidential threshold did you set each other before you would confirm if it was love? I have every right to question your claims that you love your girlfriend and that you have provided substantial proof using the yardstick that you request from others where feelings and emotions are part of the equation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 24 July, 2020 Share Posted 24 July, 2020 9 hours ago, Fan The Flames said: Did Christine have really big tits? Nah, not that kind of dream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 24 July, 2020 Share Posted 24 July, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Turkish said: Do you? How do you know? What tests have you put into practice to define your love? Is it actual love or are you just delusional? Have you and she provided sufficient evidence that your relationship is based on love, if so what was it? What was evidential threshold did you set each other before you would confirm if it was love? I have every right to question your claims that you love your girlfriend and that you have provided substantial proof using the yardstick that you request from others where feelings and emotions are part of the equation. What is it you want to compare love with? Because comparing love for a person that has evidence they exist is very different to anything related to a God who cannot be shown to manifest in reality! Edited 24 July, 2020 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 24 July, 2020 Share Posted 24 July, 2020 27 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: What is it you want to compare love with? Because comparing love for a person that has evidence they exist is very different to anything related to a God who cannot be shown to manifest in reality! You're completely missing the point. The subject of the feeling, ie God or your girlfriend, is immaterial. The issue is the individuals feeling/emotion i.e. love, inner freedom, whatever. That is a personal and subjective emotion. If I met your girlfriend and concluded that nobody in their right mind could love her (I'm not saying that, no doubt she's lovely) it doesn't alter that you have every right to feel love for he, and nobody can or should doubt what you feel. Ditto if you don't believe in the God that Raging Bull does, it doesn't matter that he has a right to believe in that God and to feel certain emotions/feelings accordingly. The issue here is your erroneous belief that Raging Bull, or anyone else, cannot possibly have feelings or emoticons about something that it is intangible and/or you do not believe in. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 24 July, 2020 Share Posted 24 July, 2020 5 minutes ago, egg said: The issue here is your erroneous belief that Raging Bull, or anyone else, cannot possibly have feelings or emoticons about something that it is intangible and/or you do not believe in. I said no such thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 24 July, 2020 Share Posted 24 July, 2020 3 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: I said no such thing. Don't be dishonest. You've consistently doubted Raging Bull being able to feel freer as a result of his belief. You said "If you believe in and worship something like Raging Bull does with the genocidal God of the Bible then you aren't free from it." You've then waffled on about some test to assess his feelings. You're all over the place. Just accept that humans have feeling and emotions that are personal to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 24 July, 2020 Share Posted 24 July, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, egg said: Don't be dishonest. You've consistently doubted Raging Bull being able to feel freer as a result of his belief. You said "If you believe in and worship something like Raging Bull does with the genocidal God of the Bible then you aren't free from it." You've then waffled on about some test to assess his feelings. You're all over the place. Just accept that humans have feeling and emotions that are personal to them. You are twisting words yet again! 🙄 Saying someone 'isn't free from something they worship' is not the same as saying they 'cannot possibly have feelings or emoticons about something that it is intangible'. If you can't see there is a big difference between those two statements then I don't know where to start! Edited 24 July, 2020 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 24 July, 2020 Share Posted 24 July, 2020 18 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said: Link please. Anything? Thought you would have nailed this by now and be basking in the glow of your own intellectual brilliance having provided several links to the conclusion that the theologists reached. Instead, it just looks like you made stuff up, again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mystic Force Posted 24 July, 2020 Share Posted 24 July, 2020 Have you ever had a feeling for someone else and then later discover that the person was not what you thought they were and ended up not having those feelings anymore? Those feeling were real, but ultimately did they have the meaning you ascribed to them at the time? So can you trust feeling as a fair judge of a situation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 25 July, 2020 Share Posted 25 July, 2020 On 24/07/2020 at 11:05, Matthew Le God said: What is it you want to compare love with? Because comparing love for a person that has evidence they exist is very different to anything related to a God who cannot be shown to manifest in reality! Im not comparing Love to anything, I’m asking you a few simple questions. For your feeling of love what tests and evidence did you set to prove it? What was the threshold for evidence you set to your girlfriend for her to prove her love for you and you for her? Was there an algorithm you used or a series of tests? You think people need tests And evidence to prove their Own emotions so a little surprising if you haven’t applied similar Criteria to your own and those around you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 25 July, 2020 Share Posted 25 July, 2020 7 minutes ago, Turkish said: Im not comparing Love to anything, I’m asking you a few simple questions. For your feeling of love what tests and evidence did you set to prove it? Isn't the test quite simply 'something that is tangible'? People love people (tangible, physical beings) but also animals (again, something that exists). People also love chocolate pudding - at least whilst it exists before being eaten. You can also love sport - both watching and playing. I'm not sure you can love something that doesn't exist.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 25 July, 2020 Share Posted 25 July, 2020 33 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said: Isn't the test quite simply 'something that is tangible'? People love people (tangible, physical beings) but also animals (again, something that exists). People also love chocolate pudding - at least whilst it exists before being eaten. You can also love sport - both watching and playing. I'm not sure you can love something that doesn't exist.... So are you saying MLG girlfriend doesn't exist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 25 July, 2020 Share Posted 25 July, 2020 1 hour ago, egg said: So are you saying MLG girlfriend doesn't exist? No. HTH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mystic Force Posted 27 July, 2020 Share Posted 27 July, 2020 So when an anonymous person writes they have a girlfriend there is doubt. But when someone else we also do not know wrote that someone returned from being dead that is more creditable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 30 July, 2020 Share Posted 30 July, 2020 On 24/07/2020 at 11:05, Matthew Le God said: What is it you want to compare love with? Because comparing love for a person that has evidence they exist is very different to anything related to a God who cannot be shown to manifest in reality! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 31 July, 2020 Share Posted 31 July, 2020 @Turkish I was waiting for you to show how God manifests in reality. I can prove a person manifests in reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 1 August, 2020 Share Posted 1 August, 2020 Responding to the original question by asking a question of your own is not answering it. A casual observer might be led to think that you’re trying to obfuscate the issue because you can’t provide an answer that you’re confident with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 1 August, 2020 Share Posted 1 August, 2020 26 minutes ago, The Kraken said: Responding to the original question by asking a question of your own is not answering it. A casual observer might be led to think that you’re trying to obfuscate the issue because you can’t provide an answer that you’re confident with. Not every question is a valid question. That is why I answered the question with questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 1 August, 2020 Share Posted 1 August, 2020 3 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: Not every question is a valid question. That is why I answered the question with questions. You could just say you can’t answer them, it’s fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 1 August, 2020 Share Posted 1 August, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, The Kraken said: You could just say you can’t answer them, it’s fine. I'll try again... not every question is a valid question and not every question has an answer. An example... What texture is happiness? Some questions are fundamentally flawed and built on false premises. Edited 1 August, 2020 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 1 August, 2020 Share Posted 1 August, 2020 Irrelevant. Turkish’s questions seemed quite easy to answer to me. To you, I guess you found it a lot more difficult. NVM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 1 August, 2020 Share Posted 1 August, 2020 Just now, The Kraken said: Irrelevant. Turkish’s questions seemed quite easy to answer to me. To you, I guess you found it a lot more difficult. NVM. Go on then... answer it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 1 August, 2020 Share Posted 1 August, 2020 Which one? He asked a few. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 1 August, 2020 Share Posted 1 August, 2020 18 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: I'll try again... not every question is a valid question and not every question has an answer. An example... What texture is happiness? Some questions are fundamentally flawed and built on false premises. Somebody with synesthesia would be able to answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 1 August, 2020 Share Posted 1 August, 2020 3 minutes ago, badgerx16 said: Somebody with synesthesia would be able to answer. No they wouldn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 1 August, 2020 Share Posted 1 August, 2020 19 minutes ago, The Kraken said: Which one? All of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 1 August, 2020 Share Posted 1 August, 2020 Well, there were a few. And they referred to you and your partner, so I guess the true answers would have to come from you and how you feel about her/him. I can’t answer for you, all I could do is provide my own answers based on my own situation. I’m just saying I’d find it fairly easy to ask the questions (shown below), especially when one is a yes/no answer. But again, you obviously find them too taxing to answer, which is fair enough if you struggle to come up with any answers. For your feeling of love what tests and evidence did you set to prove it? What was the threshold for evidence you set to your girlfriend for her to prove her love for you and you for her? Was there an algorithm you used or a series of tests? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 1 August, 2020 Share Posted 1 August, 2020 Hitchen’s Razor - What can be claimed without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 1 August, 2020 Share Posted 1 August, 2020 (edited) 55 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: No they wouldn't. OK, let me rephrase.. Somebody with certain forms of synesthesia would be able to answer. Some forms can cause sensory triggers from emotional stimuli. Edited 1 August, 2020 by badgerx16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 1 August, 2020 Share Posted 1 August, 2020 1 hour ago, Lighthouse said: Hitchen’s Razor - What can be claimed without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. About as philosophical as Peter Ustinov Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 1 August, 2020 Share Posted 1 August, 2020 6 minutes ago, whelk said: About as philosophical as Peter Ustinov And Berni Inn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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