Matthew Le God Posted 22 May, 2020 Posted 22 May, 2020 As others have said, your stubbornness is unreal. I hate to burst your bubble, but your understanding / interpretation may not be correct. An allegory, by its nature, is open to interpretation. Just dare to open your mind and do a bit of research into the metaphor interpretation. How do you decide which bits of the Bible are metaphors and which bits aren't? Leaving it to interpretation leads to schisms and wars!
egg Posted 22 May, 2020 Posted 22 May, 2020 This is deeply flawed and irrelevant as The Bible is claimed by many to be the infallible word of god. It is not comparable to a person using such phrases. How some interpret the stories is a matter for them. However, if their interpretation is that Noah really built a big boat, it matters not to nobody else. The world won't end because that's what they believe. By the same token, the world won't end because you have a closed mind.
Matthew Le God Posted 22 May, 2020 Posted 22 May, 2020 How some interpret the stories is a matter for them. However, if their interpretation is that Noah really built a big boat, it matters not to nobody else. The world won't end because that's what they believe. By the same token, the world won't end because you have a closed mind. How do you decide which bits of the Bible are metaphors and which bits aren't? Leaving it to interpretation leads to schisms and wars! Why would a kind and loving god do that? He sounds inept at getting his message across!
egg Posted 22 May, 2020 Posted 22 May, 2020 How do you decide which bits of the Bible are metaphors and which bits aren't? Leaving it to interpretation leads to schisms and wars! I'm not helping you move the goalposts to another part of the Bible. However, do some research as I've suggested, and you'll see reference to various bible stories that are widely felt to be allegory / metaphorical.
Matthew Le God Posted 22 May, 2020 Posted 22 May, 2020 I'm not helping you move the goalposts to another part of the Bible. However, do some research as I've suggested, and you'll see reference to various bible stories that are widely felt to be allegory / metaphorical. That post does not move the goalposts. It is very much on topic of allegory and metaphor. So what is your answer?
egg Posted 22 May, 2020 Posted 22 May, 2020 That post does not move the goalposts. It is very much on topic of allegory and metaphor. So what is your answer? I repeat that I am not helping you move the goalposts. If you can use Wikipedia, you can use Google. Do some research of your own. Noah and The Ark is not literal. Ditto other parts of the Bible.
Matthew Le God Posted 22 May, 2020 Posted 22 May, 2020 Pray for Matthew 1) Why has prayer never grown a leg back for an amputee yet people claim it has healed them from cancer? 2) Could it be that cancer naturally can go into remission without medical treatment and people are thinking prayer did it? 3) Growing a new leg does not happen in nature for humans and so people cannot claim prayer grew a leg 4) The lack of amputees growing new limbs proves prayer does not work.
Matthew Le God Posted 22 May, 2020 Posted 22 May, 2020 I repeat that I am not helping you move the goalposts. If you can use Wikipedia, you can use Google. Do some research of your own. Noah and The Ark is not literal. Ditto other parts of the Bible. Lots of Christians think it is literal. That is why they goto the Ark museum which claims the flood literally happened! How do you decide which bits of the Bible are metaphors and which bits aren't? Leaving it to interpretation leads to schisms and wars!
Turkish Posted 22 May, 2020 Posted 22 May, 2020 Yet again... another completely flawed comparison. - The name of a barbers or pub is irrelevant to getting a pint or haircut. - Why would a non literal Noah ark believing person want to visit this place...? It is a museum full of claims of the literal flood story! The exhibits claim it literally happened! You have serious issues, everything goes over your head
Matthew Le God Posted 22 May, 2020 Posted 22 May, 2020 You have serious issues, everything goes over your head You were talking about the pub and barbers to attempt to show that names of places doesn't mean people who go there believe it is literal. That is irrelevant in the case of a pub or barbers. The Noah story has no bearing on a pint or a haircut. However the vast majority of people who go to a museum in a giant Noah's ark that claims the story literally happened would also believe it literally happened.
egg Posted 22 May, 2020 Posted 22 May, 2020 Lots of Christians think it is literal. That is why they goto the Ark museum which claims the flood literally happened! How do you decide which bits of the Bible are metaphors and which bits aren't? Leaving it to interpretation leads to schisms and wars! You've said. I've explained that I can understand why. Tell me how Mary from Tennessee believing that Noah built a big boat impacts on you.
Raging Bull Posted 22 May, 2020 Posted 22 May, 2020 Pray for Matthew 1) Why has prayer never grown a leg back for an amputee yet people claim it has healed them from cancer? 2) Could it be that cancer naturally can go into remission without medical treatment and people are thinking prayer did it? 3) Growing a new leg does not happen in nature for humans and so people cannot claim prayer grew a leg 4) The lack of amputees growing new limbs proves prayer does not work. Ok, now I’m genuinely concerned about you.
Turkish Posted 22 May, 2020 Posted 22 May, 2020 You were talking about the pub and barbers to attempt to show that names of places doesn't mean people who go there believe it is literal. That is irrelevant in the case of a pub or barbers. The Noah story has no bearing on a pint or a haircut. However the vast majority of people who go to a museum in a giant Noah's ark that claims the story literally happened would also believe it literally happened. It was a joke you utter helmet :lol:
Matthew Le God Posted 22 May, 2020 Posted 22 May, 2020 Pray for Matthew 1) Why has prayer never grown a leg back for an amputee yet people claim it has healed them from cancer? 2) Could it be that cancer naturally can go into remission without medical treatment and people are thinking prayer did it? 3) Growing a new leg does not happen in nature for humans and so people cannot claim prayer grew a leg 4) The lack of amputees growing new limbs proves prayer does not work. Ok, now I’m genuinely concerned about you. Can you explain why I'm wrong about prayer? Apparently it works for cancer (which can go into remission on its own naturally)... but not amputees! Strange that!
egg Posted 22 May, 2020 Posted 22 May, 2020 Can you explain why I'm wrong about prayer? Apparently it works for cancer (which can go into remission on its own naturally)... but not amputees! Strange that! Your comments about prayer, and why people pray and what they pray for, highlights your complete lack of understanding. And no, I can't be arsed to elaborate.
Turkish Posted 22 May, 2020 Posted 22 May, 2020 Will you go talk to a pastor? What could a pastor teach him? He knows it all already. (And if he doesn’t there’s always wiki)
Matthew Le God Posted 22 May, 2020 Posted 22 May, 2020 You've said. I've explained that I can understand why. Tell me how Mary from Tennessee believing that Noah built a big boat impacts on you. If Mary from Tennessee runs for Governor or President then her actions based on her illogical beliefs impact others in wider society. It doesn't even need to be her running for office, beliefs impact actions and actions impact society. Collectively a large number of Americans believing Noah's flood literally happened impact on the global community. An ABC news poll found... - 61% of Americans believe the account of creation in the Bible’s book of Genesis is “literally true” rather than a story meant as a “lesson.” - 60% percent believe in the story of Noah’s ark and a global flood - 64% agree that Moses parted the Red Sea to save fleeing Jews from their Egyptian captors
egg Posted 22 May, 2020 Posted 22 May, 2020 If Mary from Tennessee runs for Governor or President then her actions based on her illogical beliefs impact others in wider society. It doesn't even need to be her running for office, beliefs impact actions and actions impact society. Collectively a large number of Americans believing Noah's flood literally happened impact on the global community. An ABC news poll found... - 61% of Americans believe the account of creation in the Bible’s book of Genesis is “literally true” rather than a story meant as a “lesson.” - 60% percent believe in the story of Noah’s ark and a global flood - 64% agree that Moses parted the Red Sea to save fleeing Jews from their Egyptian captors So, someone interpreting an allegory in the way you do, is only a big issue if they run for a senior government position. Got that. Let's say Mary worked in a shop, how does it impact on you? The truth, of course, is that it doesn't but for some reason you're incapable of allowing people to think freely, notwithstanding that it makes no difference to you or anyone else.
Matthew Le God Posted 22 May, 2020 Posted 22 May, 2020 Your comments about prayer, and why people pray and what they pray for, highlights your complete lack of understanding. 1) Do people pray for others to be healed from cancer? Yes or No 2) Does cancer naturally go into remission? Yes or No 3) Yet do people claim it is the prayer that healed the cancer? Yes or No 4) Has an amputee ever grown a new leg? Yes or No
Matthew Le God Posted 22 May, 2020 Posted 22 May, 2020 So, someone interpreting an allegory in the way you do, is only a big issue if they run for a senior government position. Got that. Let's say Mary worked in a shop, how does it impact on you? The truth, of course, is that it doesn't but for some reason you're incapable of allowing people to think freely, notwithstanding that it makes no difference to you or anyone else. I guess you decided to skip the second paragraph in my post which explain that! It doesn't even need to be her running for office, beliefs impact actions and actions impact society. Collectively a large number of Americans believing Noah's flood literally happened impact on the global community.
Raging Bull Posted 22 May, 2020 Posted 22 May, 2020 I guess you decided to skip the second paragraph in my post which explain that! Mate, step away from the keyboard
Matthew Le God Posted 22 May, 2020 Posted 22 May, 2020 Mate, step away from the keyboard It was him unable to read a 2nd paragraph... not me.
egg Posted 22 May, 2020 Posted 22 May, 2020 I guess you decided to skip the second paragraph in my post which explain that! I read it. I asked how it impacts you. All this effort kind of suggests it really matters to your life. In any event, if you interpret the story literally, who are you to judge if other people do.
egg Posted 22 May, 2020 Posted 22 May, 2020 1) Do people pray for others to be healed from cancer? Yes or No 2) Does cancer naturally go into remission? Yes or No 3) Yet do people claim it is the prayer that healed the cancer? Yes or No 4) Has an amputee ever grown a new leg? Yes or No I refer to my previous comment re prayer. You are a man of assumptions, presumptions, and misunderstandings. If, however, someone chooses to pray for their uncle tom to be cured of some ill, let them crack on. It may give them some comfort. It sure doesn't impact on you or me.
Matthew Le God Posted 22 May, 2020 Posted 22 May, 2020 I read it. I asked how it impacts you. All this effort kind of suggests it really matters to your life. In any event, if you interpret the story literally, who are you to judge if other people do. An ABC news poll found... - 61% of Americans believe the account of creation in the Bible’s book of Genesis is “literally true” rather than a story meant as a “lesson.” - 60% percent believe in the story of Noah’s ark and a global flood - 64% agree that Moses parted the Red Sea to save fleeing Jews from their Egyptian captors These people are more likely to be Republican voters. Republican voters picked Trump... Trump impacts the world including you and me.
Matthew Le God Posted 22 May, 2020 Posted 22 May, 2020 I refer to my previous comment re prayer. You are a man of assumptions, presumptions, and misunderstandings. If, however, someone chooses to pray for their uncle tom to be cured of some ill, let them crack on. It may give them some comfort. It sure doesn't impact on you or me. Why can't you answer the 4 yes or no questions?
Turkish Posted 22 May, 2020 Posted 22 May, 2020 I would LOVE to know what happens in MLGs life for such a vociferous performance on this thread. Definite issues here.
egg Posted 22 May, 2020 Posted 22 May, 2020 Why can't you answer the 4 yes or no questions? Because they're stupid. I've dealt with the point in my response. You have your own beliefs about what other people do and why, and somehow think it's relevant to you. That says more about you than them.
egg Posted 22 May, 2020 Posted 22 May, 2020 I would LOVE to know what happens in MLGs life for such a vociferous performance on this thread. Definite issues here. Apparently it's cos Trump is president, and that's cos people believe Noah built a boat. And that affects everyone.
Raging Bull Posted 22 May, 2020 Posted 22 May, 2020 Will you go talk to a pastor? Seriously though. You know, face to face? Like human interaction?
Turkish Posted 22 May, 2020 Posted 22 May, 2020 MLG 76 posts in a single day about a subject he doesn’t think ever happened. Just think how utterly mental that is. :lol::lol:
whelk Posted 23 May, 2020 Posted 23 May, 2020 MLG 76 posts in a single day about a subject he doesn’t think ever happened. Just think how utterly mental that is. :lol::lol: The tolerant humanist live and let live attitude on display from an angry zealot.
whelk Posted 23 May, 2020 Posted 23 May, 2020 Question for MLG - should we pull down St Paul’s Cathedral and Westminster Abbey as they maybe influencing the masses into believing fairytales?
Weston Super Saint Posted 23 May, 2020 Posted 23 May, 2020 Question for MLG - should we pull down St Paul’s Cathedral and Westminster Abbey as they maybe influencing the masses into believing fairytales? Prime real estate in Central London, would certainly make someone very happy.
Matthew Le God Posted 23 May, 2020 Posted 23 May, 2020 Question for MLG - should we pull down St Paul’s Cathedral and Westminster Abbey as they maybe influencing the masses into believing fairytales? No .
percy windham Posted 23 May, 2020 Posted 23 May, 2020 This thread is both amazing and terrible at the same time. It’s absolute gold and the only thing that keeps me coming back to saintsweb currently. Please mods, if you’re reading, never lock this thread.
hypochondriac Posted 23 May, 2020 Posted 23 May, 2020 An ABC news poll found... - 61% of Americans believe the account of creation in the Bible’s book of Genesis is “literally true” rather than a story meant as a “lesson.” - 60% percent believe in the story of Noah’s ark and a global flood - 64% agree that Moses parted the Red Sea to save fleeing Jews from their Egyptian captors These people are more likely to be Republican voters. Republican voters picked Trump... Trump impacts the world including you and me.Wow.
Matthew Le God Posted 23 May, 2020 Posted 23 May, 2020 Wow. Any reason why that lost merits a "wow" or is it a secret?
Turkish Posted 24 May, 2020 Posted 24 May, 2020 Well it looks like MLG has thrown the towel in. Badger, Egg, Raging Bull, join me the winners enclosure
Turkish Posted 24 May, 2020 Posted 24 May, 2020 Thank God that's over. It certainly ended in a blaze of glory. It was like a fighter that needed a knock out in the 12th round coming out and giving everything but the other fighters superior jabbing, movement and skill ensuring it was all huff and puff with MLG never landing meaningful blows.
Matthew Le God Posted 24 May, 2020 Posted 24 May, 2020 It certainly ended in a blaze of glory. It was like a fighter that needed a knock out in the 12th round coming out and giving everything but the other fighters superior jabbing, movement and skill ensuring it was all huff and puff with MLG never landing meaningful blows. 'never landing meaningful blows' You failed to competently refute any of my points.
egg Posted 24 May, 2020 Posted 24 May, 2020 'never landing meaningful blows' You failed to competently refute any of my points. Smelling salts on your rice crispies?
Matthew Le God Posted 24 May, 2020 Posted 24 May, 2020 Smelling salts on your rice crispies? I'm a Weetabix man
Turkish Posted 24 May, 2020 Posted 24 May, 2020 'never landing meaningful blows' You failed to competently refute any of my points. Another comprehensive title defence. I hold belts for the main board, the lounge and muppet show. Maybe you should set your sights on the computer games belt, you’d have a good chance with that,
Matthew Le God Posted 24 May, 2020 Posted 24 May, 2020 Another comprehensive title defence. I hold belts for the main board, the lounge and muppet show. Maybe you should set your sights on the computer games belt, you’d have a good chance with that, We are both losers in this thread Turkish!
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