Blasphemy and Duck Rape

[Matthew Le God]

So you genuinelybelieve that in the 21st century, Christianity promotes rape, genocide, slavery and infanticide.

 

Wow.

 

How has my local priest managed to avoid being arrested for conspiracy to commit murder, rape etc?

 

At the foundation of the religion is the Bible, when was the Bible edited so those bits were no longer in it?

 

Does your local priest consider the 10 commandments as relevant today as there were thousands of years ago? The punishment for disobeying your parents is to be stoned to death! Does your priest ignore that bit?

 

18 If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and [that], when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:

19 Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place;

20 And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son [is] stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; [he is] a glutton, and a drunkard.

21 And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.

 

Your priest has decided to ignore those bits, wouldn't God be a bit ****ed off humans don't follow his rules?

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At the foundation of the religion is the Bible, when was the Bible edited so those bits were no longer in it?

 

Does your local priest consider the 10 commandments as relevant today as there were thousands of years ago? The punishment for disobeying your parents is to be stoned to death! Does your priest ignore that bit?

 

18 If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and [that], when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:

19 Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place;

20 And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son [is] stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; [he is] a glutton, and a drunkard.

21 And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.

 

Your priest has decided to ignore those bits, wouldn't God be a bit ****ed off humans don't follow his rules?

I asked you a simple question "Do you actually believe that in the 21st century, Christianity promotes rape, genocide, slavery and infanticide?"

 

You answered with a waffly "yes".

 

The mouthpieces for the message of christianity are priests. Yes?

 

It's your belief that in the 21st century, the message of Christianity is rape, genocide, slavery and infanticide. Thus, please explain how priests as the purveyors of that brutal message can be allowed to stand in churches up and down the land each Sunday promoting death and rape etc.

 

Alternatively, you could take a moment and concede that you're talking utter boll0x.

[Weston Super Saint]

I asked you a simple question "Do you actually believe that in the 21st century, Christianity promotes rape, genocide, slavery and infanticide?"

 

You answered with a waffly "yes".

 

The mouthpieces for the message of christianity are priests. Yes?

 

It's your belief that in the 21st century, the message of Christianity is rape, genocide, slavery and infanticide. Thus, please explain how priests as the purveyors of that brutal message can be allowed to stand in churches up and down the land each Sunday promoting death and rape etc.

 

Alternatively, you could take a moment and concede that you're talking utter boll0x.

 

Catholic priests have got a cracking track record in this area.....

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Catholic priests have got a cracking track record in this area.....

Ha!! Hard to argue against that. However, it's not the actual message issued to the congregation.

[Turkish]

This really is nonsense.

 

The Bible is considered the literal word of god by some Christians and Jews. The Bible clearly states God committed a mass genocide where he created a worldwide flood that killed every human apart from a handful.

 

There is no context where global flood mass genocide can be made acceptable. No spin can be made on the Noah story to show it was a kind and loving act to drown innocent people. I'd love to see you try to spin it!

 

The Bible god could be 99.99% kind and loving, but one 1 act of evil removes any claim of him being kind and loving... and there are alot more than 1. So picking out these instances is entirely justifiable as the point is to highlight he is not kind and loving. He wiped out the global population in one story... how the **** is that something to gloss over as cherry picking!

 

You really dont understand what happened with the flood do you.

[Raging Bull]

You really dont understand what happened with the flood do you.

 

And he never will.

 

He constantly bangs on about things like mass murder, but what does the 5th commandment say?

 

“Thou shalt not murder”

 

He fundamentally cannot grasp what’s going on in the bible.

[Mystic Force]

Its all true or some of it true and you get to choose which bits to follow at which point all of it is up for grabs and you can do what ever you want which makes it a bit pointless as a guide book. By our current moral standings a lot of it is reprehensible making it a difficult to argue it should be our basis of morals. I can drive 2 1/2 hours from where I sit know to go see where someone built an Ark to try to persuade people that it literally happened like is written in a book. In England you have largely shrugged of the everyday influence of this nonscence but here it is a very real presence. They passed a law to allow bible classes in schools here, you can be sure it is not to point out the errors, omissions and contradictions and no one will be showing how the Torah is different, or what is in the Quran or Guru Granth Sahib but an attempt to further the aims of one specific religious group, and a narrow interpretation at that, not the more liberal Methodist version, or the mainstream catholic, Anglican or Lutheran version, but the evangelical absolutist version. So when you say what harm does a little old lady do when she prays, not much but its the compulsion element, when its passed down. The shunning and cover ups of the Jehovas witnesses, the collecting 10% of your income for Mormons, not for helping people but to put aside for some unknown future purpose and differing of elected officials not to their constituents but their church leaders. These are the problems that are faced here, that thankfully you are spared.

[Jonnyboy]

Its all true or some of it true and you get to choose which bits to follow at which point all of it is up for grabs and you can do what ever you want which makes it a bit pointless as a guide book. By our current moral standings a lot of it is reprehensible making it a difficult to argue it should be our basis of morals. I can drive 2 1/2 hours from where I sit know to go see where someone built an Ark to try to persuade people that it literally happened like is written in a book. In England you have largely shrugged of the everyday influence of this nonscence but here it is a very real presence. They passed a law to allow bible classes in schools here, you can be sure it is not to point out the errors, omissions and contradictions and no one will be showing how the Torah is different, or what is in the Quran or Guru Granth Sahib but an attempt to further the aims of one specific religious group, and a narrow interpretation at that, not the more liberal Methodist version, or the mainstream catholic, Anglican or Lutheran version, but the evangelical absolutist version. So when you say what harm does a little old lady do when she prays, not much but its the compulsion element, when its passed down. The shunning and cover ups of the Jehovas witnesses, the collecting 10% of your income for Mormons, not for helping people but to put aside for some unknown future purpose and differing of elected officials not to their constituents but their church leaders. These are the problems that are faced here, that thankfully you are spared.

 

Not if Turkish and Raging Bull have their way.

[stug76]

You really dont understand what happened with the flood do you.

What did actually happen?

 

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What did actually happen?

 

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I'm more interested in why toasters got added to the thread title, and what gets added on next. I vote cheese.

[Turkish]

I'm more interested in why toasters got added to the thread title, and what gets added on next. I vote cheese.

 

blessed are the cheese makers....

[Turkish]

What did actually happen?

 

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Go and look it up if you're that interested.

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blessed are the cheese makers....

 

Amen

[badgerx16]

blessed are the cheese makers....

 

What about manufacturers of other dairy products ?

[badgerx16]

You really dont understand what happened with the flood do you.

What did actually happen?

 

"The rain rain rain came down down down

In rushing, rising riv'lets,

'Til the river crept out of it's bed

And crept right into Piglet's!

Poor Piglet, he was frightened,

With quite a rightful fright.

And so, in desperation

A message he did write.

He placed it in a bottle

And it floated out of sight.

 

And the rain rain rain came down down down

So Piglet started bailing.

He was unaware, atop his chair,

While bailing he was sailing!

 

And the rain rain rain came down down down

And the flood rose up up upper.

Pooh, too, was caught and so he thought,

"I must rescue my supper!"

Ten honey pots he rescued,

Enough to see him through,

But as he sopped up his supper,

The river sopped up Pooh!

And the water twirled and tossed him

In a honey pot canoe!

The rain rain rain came down down down..."

[whelk]

I'm more interested in why toasters got added to the thread title, and what gets added on next. I vote cheese.

 

MLG said that on the first day God created toasters and iPads. Mental huh

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MLG said that on the first day God created toasters and iPads. Mental huh

That makes perfect sense. Did God create microwaves too, or was that Panasonic?

[Window Cleaner]

Don't think it ws Panasonic, wasn't it some American ex radar engineer, seem to remember that from my pub quiz participating days.

[Turkish]

That makes perfect sense. Did God create microwaves too, or was that Panasonic?

 

you'll struggle to find a person of any religion that doesn't think god created cufflinks.

[Turkish]

What about manufacturers of other dairy products ?

 

Being blessed by Jesus was the first century version of a minutes applause at a football match, everyone jumping on the bandwagon FFS

[Saint Billy]

I asked you a simple question "Do you actually believe that in the 21st century, Christianity promotes rape, genocide, slavery and infanticide?"

 

You answered with a waffly "yes".

 

The mouthpieces for the message of christianity are priests. Yes?

 

It's your belief that in the 21st century, the message of Christianity is rape, genocide, slavery and infanticide. Thus, please explain how priests as the purveyors of that brutal message can be allowed to stand in churches up and down the land each Sunday promoting death and rape etc.

 

Alternatively, you could take a moment and concede that you're talking utter boll0x.

 

I'!ll bite, How many countries claimed to be Christian in World War 1 & 2?.

[Window Cleaner]

I'!ll bite, How many countries claimed to be Christian in World War 1 & 2?.

 

Well Bob Dylan just about summed that up back in 64 didn't he.

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I'!ll bite, How many countries claimed to be Christian in World War 1 & 2?.

No idea but I don't see the relevance. MLG says that right here right now Christianity promotes rape, infanticide etc. Priests are the public mouthpiece of Christianity, thus on MLG case, they spread messages of rape, infanticide.

 

In the real world all sane people know that doesn't happen. I'm just waiting for MLG to acknowledge that.

[Saint Billy]

No idea but I don't see the relevance. MLG says that right here right now Christianity promotes rape, infanticide etc. Priests are the public mouthpiece of Christianity, thus on MLG case, they spread messages of rape, infanticide.

 

In the real world all sane people know that doesn't happen. I'm just waiting for MLG to acknowledge that.

 

In the great wars christians killed Christians, some in an act of genecide. Just one example.

[buctootim]

No idea but I don't see the relevance. MLG says that right here right now Christianity promotes rape, infanticide etc. Priests are the public mouthpiece of Christianity, thus on MLG case, they spread messages of rape, infanticide.

 

In the real world all sane people know that doesn't happen. I'm just waiting for MLG to acknowledge that.

 

Priests are selective. They quote the bits which fit with the times. MLG is broadly correct, its just the way he conveys it that makes people react. And if you're being selective and views change over time its not really a religion is it? More of club pretending to be of a higher plane.

[whelk]

In the great wars christians killed Christians, some in an act of genecide. Just one example.

 

Ahh so WW1 was a religious war. Learning new stuff everyday

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In the great wars christians killed Christians, some in an act of genecide. Just one example.

 

MLG is talking about the here and now. He says that Christianity, today, promotes rape, infanticide and genocide.

 

I just want to know where, here and now, the Priests are dishing out the evil message that MLG talks about. What happened in WW1 and WW2 is irrelevant to what MLG believes is happening today.

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Priests are selective. They quote the bits which fit with the times. MLG is broadly correct, its just the way he conveys it that makes people react. And if you're being selective and views change over time its not really a religion is it? More of club pretending to be of a higher plane.

 

So you agree with MLG that Christianity, here and now, promotes rape/genocide/infanticide etc?

 

If so, how is the promotion being done and if it's not the priests in churches, how is that apparent message being delivered?

[Saint Billy]

Ahh so WW1 was a religious war. Learning new stuff everyday

 

No neither was a religious war but Christian killed Christian, hardly God like was it.

[Lighthouse]

MLG is talking about the here and now. He says that Christianity, today, promotes rape, infanticide and genocide.

 

I just want to know where, here and now, the Priests are dishing out the evil message that MLG talks about. What happened in WW1 and WW2 is irrelevant to what MLG believes is happening today.

 

There is no 'Christianity today'. All there is is a 2000 year old story book and a whole bunch of interpretations of what it should mean, which people generally fudge to fit around their lifestyles. They basically say whatever it takes to keep the general public vaguely engaged because if they stuck to their original script they'd be obsolete and laughed out of town.

[Window Cleaner]

 

As were the"old religions" wherein deities sh@gged swans and wandered around forests in the form of stags.

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There is no 'Christianity today'. All there is is a 2000 year old story book and a whole bunch of interpretations of what it should mean, which people generally fudge to fit around their lifestyles. They basically say whatever it takes to keep the general public vaguely engaged because if they stuck to their original script they'd be obsolete and laughed out of town.

 

Of course there is Christianity today. Religion hasn't gone anywhere. There are still Churches and priests etc.

 

MLG believes, bless him, that in whatever format Christianity exists today that it promotes rape, genocide and infanticide. I'm merely asking that HE as the person saying that kindly explains how and where it is doing that. He won't, cos it doesn't happen, but having made his point I'd like him to explain.

[buctootim]

So you agree with MLG that Christianity, here and now, promotes rape/genocide/infanticide etc?

 

If so, how is the promotion being done and if it's not the priests in churches, how is that apparent message being delivered?

 

Nope. I've noticed you tend to react to whats in your mind rather than whats written.

 

At various times in its history Christians (along with nearly all other religions) have advocated things like 'righteous' wars or killing of heretics and now they don't. There are fashions in beliefs. Things which if they were immutable facts handed down by God would not change. If you can pick and choose from the Holy book which bits you want to follow and which bits you want to ignore this week, its not really 'faith' is it?

[Lighthouse]

Of course there is Christianity today. Religion hasn't gone anywhere. There are still Churches and priests etc.

 

MLG believes, bless him, that in whatever format Christianity exists today that it promotes rape, genocide and infanticide. I'm merely asking that HE as the person saying that kindly explains how and where it is doing that. He won't, cos it doesn't happen, but having made his point I'd like him to explain.

 

What I am saying is that there is no modern version which is different to Christianity in the 15th Century. It’s still the same book, there has been no new research or an up to date version published after Jesus’ visit to Memphis in 1993.

 

It still says the exact same nutty stuff in the Bible. People just choose the bits which fit with their lives, as they always have done. I could quite easily read the bible a few times and find some obscure passages which say I should only eat beef on a Tuesday and wear an orange hat at all times and call that Christianity because it suits me.

[whelk]

No neither was a religious war but Christian killed Christian, hardly God like was it.

 

I heard Hitler was a born again Christian and had the belt to prove it

[egg]

Nope. I've noticed you tend to react to whats in your mind rather than whats written.

 

At various times in its history Christians (along with nearly all other religions) have advocated things like 'righteous' wars or killing of heretics and now they don't. There are fashions in beliefs. Things which if they were immutable facts handed down by God would not change. If you can pick and choose from the Holy book which bits you want to follow and which bits you want to ignore this week, its not really 'faith' is it?

 

I have focused on what I have focused on as I have no wish for a wider debate on religion with you or anyone.

 

MLG has made a point about his understanding of the message of Christianity today and I've asked him to explain it. Nothing more.

[badgerx16]

Ahh so WW1 was a religious war. Learning new stuff everyday

No, it was a family squabble between Queen Victoria's grandchildren.

[Mystic Force]

Yet to see any evidence that this god fellow is real yet except from a book that could have been made up.....

[Lighthouse]

Yet to see any evidence that this god fellow is real yet except from a book that could have been made up.....

 

Could have been

[Matthew Le God]

So you agree with MLG that Christianity, here and now, promotes rape/genocide/infanticide etc?

 

If so, how is the promotion being done and if it's not the priests in churches, how is that apparent message being delivered?

 

The Bible is supposed to be the word of God for Christians. It incites rape, genocide, slavery, sexism, homophobia... if modern Christians ignore those bits then they are not following their religion and are creating their own moral system. If their god existed I'd think he'd be ****ed off that they are cherry picking which of his commandments to follow and which to ignore!

[Matthew Le God]

You really dont understand what happened with the flood do you.

 

1) God created Adam and Eve - he gave them a test that he knew before they took it they word fail

2) He punishes them and all of humankind for failing a test he 100% knew they would fail

3) God has created humankind in such a way that they **** up, it was another failure by god and he punishes us by creating a global flood genocide and murders most of the species

4) God gives things another go post Noah and ****s up again

4) God sends Jesus to be sacrificed, to act as a loophole for a set of rules over his unfair test to Adam & Eve he created because god loves a blood sacrifice and can't just forgive without a blood sacrifice

5) If such a god exists he is inept at being a creator as he knows the future and still creates in a way that ****s up!

 

Explain what is wrong about that summary!?

 

[Matthew Le God]

And he never will.

 

He constantly bangs on about things like mass murder, but what does the 5th commandment say?

 

“Thou shalt not murder”

 

He fundamentally cannot grasp what’s going on in the bible.

 

God fails that commandment. Killing Egyptian first born children is murder. Killing people in a global flood is murder.

[Matthew Le God]

I have focused on what I have focused on as I have no wish for a wider debate on religion with you or anyone.

 

MLG has made a point about his understanding of the message of Christianity today and I've asked him to explain it. Nothing more.

 

At no point did I say a lot of modern churches say we should have slaves, rape, genocides etc. But the foundation of the religion is the Bible and the Bible has not changed. Modern Christians have decided to ignore their gods horrific commands. So they are making up their own moral code and ignoring their god's wishes.

[SFC1906]

Of course there is Christianity today. Religion hasn't gone anywhere. There are still Churches and priests etc.

 

MLG believes, bless him, that in whatever format Christianity exists today that it promotes rape, genocide and infanticide. I'm merely asking that HE as the person saying that kindly explains how and where it is doing that. He won't, cos it doesn't happen, but having made his point I'd like him to explain.

 

Except that MLG hasn't actually said that though has he?

What he has said (numerous times) is that those things are written in The Bible - you know that book that Christianity is supposedly based on.

 

The fact that you and all the Priests now chose to ignore all those nasty bits from your sacred texts just makes the whole point of 'being Christian' or 'following Christianity' or whatever you want to call it even more ridiculous - as seemingly you can just pick and choose which bits you want to follow. As opposed to following the apparent word of your God that is written in the Bible.

 

But you know all that and are just being deliberately obtuse and twisting his statement to deflect away from the absolute idiocy of following any type of Religion in this day and age.

I find it is a common tactic employed by 'people of faith' when challenged about their completely illogical beliefs.

[Matthew Le God]

Except that MLG hasn't actually said that though has he?

 

Raging Bull, egg and Turkish have done that numerous times in this thread. They have an idea what they think I've said and argue against that... even when I haven't said it.

[Weston Super Saint]

Because one line from a story which is part of a series of other stories does not provide context. Like i said, the Godfather films have a line in them which says "falling in love is great, being in love is a disaster" So that means i could easily claim they are romantic comedies and no one can say i am wrong based on your line of thinking. You haven't put any context around the lines you've cherry picked.

 

i could accuse the person who once said this to be racist "the Negro is still languished in the corners of American society" I've cherry picked that single sentence from a much wider speech because i want to believe that person is racist and this proves it. However actually digging deeper and looking beyond the text i cherry picked it wasn't a racist comment at all and was part of Martin Luther Kings "i have a dream" speech.

 

 

SO here is my evidence to refute your claims

 

"Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love."

 

According to your way of thinking this one line in the entire bible proves god is a loving god and everything you have said is wrong, because all you need for evidence is one line somewhere, anywhere and ignore everything else and provide no substance to any claim. SO i am right you are wrong and thats based on your line of reasons. that's how this works isn't it. :lol::lol::lol:

 

Ah, I see how this argument works!!

 

So, by your standards, if Jeremy Corbyn was recorded in a private meeting saying "I ****ing hate those ****ing Jew ****s!" then there is no way he could be classed as anti-semitic unless he repeated it more than once - you've not stated how many times something needs to be repeated so enlighten us....

[Weston Super Saint]

No idea but I don't see the relevance. MLG says that right here right now Christianity promotes rape, infanticide etc. Priests are the public mouthpiece of Christianity, thus on MLG case, they spread messages of rape, infanticide.

 

In the real world all sane people know that doesn't happen. I'm just waiting for MLG to acknowledge that.

 

No, that's not what he's saying at all.

 

He's saying that right here, right now, people still read and believe in a book written thousands of years ago which promotes all those and more.

 

Christianity could renounce the teachings of the bible but not sure where that would leave Christianity!

[Turkish]

Ah, I see how this argument works!!

 

So, by your standards, if Jeremy Corbyn was recorded in a private meeting saying "I ****ing hate those ****ing Jew ****s!" then there is no way he could be classed as anti-semitic unless he repeated it more than once - you've not stated how many times something needs to be repeated so enlighten us....

 

Not my standards Weston, MLGs standards. Read the thread to see the point, which you've obviously missed.

[Turkish]

Raging Bull, egg and Turkish have done that numerous times in this thread. They have an idea what they think I've said and argue against that... even when I haven't said it.

 

You dont have any clue what you're arguing against, that's the problem.

[egg]

At no point did I say a lot of modern churches say we should have slaves, rape, genocides etc. But the foundation of the religion is the Bible and the Bible has not changed. Modern Christians have decided to ignore their gods horrific commands. So they are making up their own moral code and ignoring their god's wishes.

 

I've asked you whether you feel that the current message of Christianity is to promote rape and genocide etc. You say that it is. When I ask where and how that message is being distributed you simply refer to the bible. That's an ancient scripture. It's not the current message. You will not find a village priest standing up on a Sunday telling the congregation to rape their neighbour or kill their newborn infant will you. If you seriously think that's the message being given then you're crazy.