Raging Bull Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 You're boring. I don't care why people pray, it's not my concern as long as they aren't hurting anyone else. More power to them. https://www.churchtimes.co.uk/articles/2020/20-march/news/uk/day-of-prayer-and-action-light-a-candle-say-church-leaders https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/proclamation-national-day-prayer-americans-affected-coronavirus-pandemic-national-response-efforts/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 Raging Bull continues to be unable to construct a rebuttal to posts he disagrees with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raging Bull Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 Raging Bull continues to be unable to construct a rebuttal to posts he disagrees with. Simply not true. The fact of the matter is we’ve been over this again and again, but you simply don’t see it, and I don’t have the time or patience to go over it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 Simply not true. The fact of the matter is we’ve been over this again and again, but you simply don’t see it, and I don’t have the time or patience to go over it again. Give it a go. Pick out some things I've said that you disagree with and explain why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 Give it a go. Pick out some things I've said that you disagree with and explain why.Quite rightly people don't want to argue the minutiae of religion with you during a worldwide emergency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raging Bull Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 Simply not true. The fact of the matter is we’ve been over this again and again, but you simply don’t see it, and I don’t have the time or patience to go over it again. Give it a go. Pick out some things I've said that you disagree with and explain why. You’re obviously a little hard of learning and I’m dealing with a company that’s being decimated by a virus, so let’s just leave it there shall we. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 Quite rightly people don't want to argue the minutiae of religion with you during a worldwide emergency. Not too busy to post on SaintsWeb but too busy to post anything sensible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 Not too busy to post on SaintsWeb but too busy to post anything sensible?What's sensible about a religious debate with MLG for the thousandth time? I don't care if someone wants to follow a religion as long as it doesn't affect me. If it gives people some comfort then that's what matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 I don't care if someone wants to follow a religion as long as it doesn't affect me. If it gives people some comfort then that's what matters. Is your wife a practising muslim, or simply from a muslim background and doesnt believe/ hates it? No agenda, just interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 You’re obviously a little hard of learning and I’m dealing with a company that’s being decimated by a virus, so let’s just leave it there shall we. It hasn't stopped you making other petty insult posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 In the real world people are dying, suffering, and full of fear about health, family, friends, finances, future etc etc etc. This is serious and it is not the time for you to challenge people's beliefs and/or that are private to them. To be fair, in the real world, those things happen to people around the world all the time. Does that mean that people's beliefs should never be challenged? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 To be fair, in the real world, those things happen to people around the world all the time. Does that mean that people's beliefs should never be challenged? I don't believe that anyone's beliefs should be challenged on the basis that personal beliefs are exactly that, and have f*ck to all to do with anyone if they are not impacted by it. It makes no difference to you, me, MLG, or anyone if someone wants to pray to whatever they choose to believe in for some comfort or guidance at this or any other time. Dredging this thread up as MLG has, and calling out people to join in a debate that only MLG wants, is crass / cheap /pathetic given what people are trying to adjust to at the moment. People have said that they don't want to play his games and MLG should respect that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 I don't believe that anyone's beliefs should be challenged on the basis that personal beliefs are exactly that, and have f*ck to all to do with anyone if they are not impacted by it. It makes no difference to you, me, MLG, or anyone if someone wants to pray to whatever they choose to believe in for some comfort or guidance at this or any other time. Beliefs impact actions, actions impact other people. Therefore irrational beliefs should be challenged. They are harmful not just to the people holding them, but others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 It'll be interesting to see if we can find out the one true religion through all of this. Obviously if you're praying to the right god you've got a much greater chance of survival, so the stats should eventually start to back this up. Looking at the state of Italy and Spain it aint the Catholic one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 Wow, just caught up on this thread. MLG excelling himself in behaving like an utter cock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 Wow, just caught up on this thread. MLG excelling himself in behaving like an utter cock. Petty insults rather than rebuttals = classic Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 Petty insults rather than rebuttals = classic Turkish I have the same view as all the others pal. You carrying on embarrassing yourself though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 I have the same view as all the others pal. You carrying on embarrassing yourself though 1) Why is it embarrassing to state that beliefs impact actions and actions impact on others? Irrational beliefs lead to irrational actions and that is harmful. It shouldn't be ignored as merely they aren't harming people, the harm is to themselves and anyone their actions impact. It isn't harmless. 2) Pandemics just highlight a kind and loving all knowing God is an oxymoron. It is impossible for a deity to have all of those qualities as they conflict with each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 1) Why is it embarrassing to state that beliefs impact actions and actions impact on others? Irrational beliefs lead to irrational actions and that is harmful. It shouldn't be ignored as merely they aren't harming people, the harm is to themselves and anyone their actions impact. It isn't harmless. 2) Pandemics just highlight a kind and loving all knowing God is an oxymoron. It is impossible for a deity to have all of those qualities as they conflict with each other. i'll put it simply for you. A number of people have said you are being a cock. If you cant see it then that says a lot about you. When you think the problem is everyone else, it probably isnt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 Yet again... not answering questions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 Yet again... not answering questions I've already said i wouldn't be for the same reasons others expressed. Not sure why you have such difficulty understanding that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 Looking at the state of Italy and Spain it aint the Catholic one. Agreed, we can tick them off. Looking at the Middle East and Iran in particular, it seems although Sunni Islam has definitely got the edge over Shi’a. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 I've already said i wouldn't be for the same reasons others expressed. Not sure why you have such difficulty understanding that. Raging Bull and you both appear unable form a coherant rebuttal. That is probably why you don't answer questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raging Bull Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 It hasn't stopped you making other petty insult posts. I completely gave up reasoning with you a couple of months ago when I pointed out that Russia is mentioned in the bible, when you were adamant it isn’t. Turkish read it and understood it, therefore it’s clear he’s a bright fella who understands what’s written in front of him. You didn’t get it, or didn’t want to admit you were wrong. I think we all know the answer. But the point is, the world has changed forever in an insanely short period of time, which is the most important thing here. At some point we’ll all be touched by this thing in 1 way or another, so do yourself a favour and stop embarrassing yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 I completely gave up reasoning with you a couple of months ago when I pointed out that Russia is mentioned in the bible, when you were adamant it isn’t. Turkish read it and understood it, therefore it’s clear he’s a bright fella who understands what’s written in front of him. You didn’t get it, or didn’t want to admit you were wrong. I think we all know the answer. But the point is, the world has changed forever in an insanely short period of time, which is the most important thing here. At some point we’ll all be touched by this thing in 1 way or another, so do yourself a favour and stop embarrassing yourself. Russia is not mentioned in the Bible. You have shoehorned the modern world to fit something in the Bible when it does not. That is not how evidence works. You should not start at a conclusion and look for evidence like you do. Instead you should follow the evidence to a conclusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 Try having a go at a rebuttal rather than petty insults! You deserve nothing but insults you emotionally stunted plum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 Raging Bull and you both appear unable form a coherant rebuttal. That is probably why you don't answer questions. Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 You deserve nothing but insults you emotionally stunted plum. You are another that is unable to form a rebuttal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 Beliefs impact actions, actions impact other people. Therefore irrational beliefs should be challenged. They are harmful not just to the people holding them, but others. So my neighbour praying to a god of her understanding impacts other people in your view. Give me f*cking strength. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience You can't form rebuttals and resort to petty insults. I am educated to masters level... I know how evidence works... you clearly don't! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 So my neighbour praying to a god of her understanding impacts other people in your view. Give me f*cking strength. Yes, beliefs impact her actions. Puzzling why you think beliefs don't impact on actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raging Bull Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 Russia is not mentioned in the Bible. You have shoehorned the modern world to fit something in the Bible when it does not. That is not how evidence works. You should not start at a conclusion and look for evidence like you do. Instead you should follow the evidence to a conclusion. Yes it is. Tell me something, is your missus practicing social distancing in the bedroom department? You seem overly frustrated today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 Yes it is. You are shoehorning the modern world into the Bible where it does not fit. Modern Russia is not mentioned in the Bible. There is no credible prophecy in the Bible. It can all be easily explained and is not impressive. Prove me wrong on that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 You can't form rebuttals and resort to petty insults. I am educated to masters level... I know how evidence works... you clearly don't! What an arrogant post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 What an arrogant post. Not arrogant. The last 13 years on this forum have shown you dont understand how evidence or rebuttals work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 You are another that is unable to form a rebuttal. Yeah outthought by a great pseudo intellectual who thinks he’s onto something with the thread being bad things happen like so God can’t be good. Genius levels of theological thinking. Maybe bring up some Leviticus or Deuteronomy you being clever and all that? In no way are your a tiresome thick repetitive fcker, no way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 Yeah outthought by a great pseudo intellectual who thinks he’s onto something with the thread being bad things happen like so God can’t be good. Genius levels of theological thinking. Maybe bring up some Leviticus or Deuteronomy you being clever and all that? In no way are your a tiresome thick repetitive fcker, no way. Ok... actually form a rebuttal. Explain how a living, all knowing And all powerful God is not an oxymoron. Because those qualities are in conflict with each other and aren't logically possible for all to be the case at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 Loving not living Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 You can't form rebuttals and resort to petty insults. I am educated to masters level... I know how evidence works... you clearly don't! Don’t believe this at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 I'm also intrigued why using Leviticus or Deuteronomy to show how evil this character is isn't valid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 Ok... actually form a rebuttal. Explain how a living, all knowing And all powerful God is not an oxymoron. Because those qualities are in conflict with each other and aren't logically possible for all to be the case at the same time. Nice to see you giving the God a capital G Maybe you will not remain lost forever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 Don’t believe this at all. What don't you believe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 Nice to see you giving the God a capital G Maybe you will not remain lost forever Yet again... ignoring questions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 I'm also intrigued why using Leviticus or Deuteronomy to show how evil this character is isn't valid. Selective sunshine. How do you square eye for eye with turn the other cheek? Must blow your tiny mind having that seeming contradiction to process. And all in the same book! Sort of thing might have to process in a Masters perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 What don't you believe? Just teasing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raging Bull Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 Nice to see you giving the God a capital G Maybe you will not remain lost forever We can but pray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 Selective sunshine. How do you square eye for eye with turn the other cheek? Must blow your tiny mind having that seeming contradiction to process. And all in the same book! Sort of thing might have to process in a Masters perhaps? Not mind blowing. Simply explained by it being written by lots of different men with their own ideas and not by a loving, all knowingand all powerful god. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 Not arrogant. The last 13 years on this forum have shown you dont understand how evidence or rebuttals work Incredibly arrogant. Laughable you say that you know how evidence works when you spent years telling us we were going to get a 45,000 stadium based on a few drawings and because a few others clubs were looking at expanding their grounds. How's the expansion coming on by the way? It was meant to start in 2012 or 13. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 Incredibly arrogant. Laughable you say that you know how evidence works when you spent years telling us we were going to get a 45,000 stadium based on a few drawings and because a few others clubs were looking at expanding their grounds. How's the expansion coming on by the way? It was meant to start in 2012 or 13. At no point did I say it would definitely happen. Yet again you twisting words! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 23 March, 2020 Share Posted 23 March, 2020 Maybe you will not remain lost forever If your god is all knowing then he knows what it would take for non believers to believe in him. Yet he decides not to provide that level of evidence. That is the action of an inept and incompetent deity... or more likely one that doesn't exist and is a man made creation used to explain what at the time was unexplained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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