Blasphemy and Duck Rape

[badgerx16]

7 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

"Mr Lammy later apologised, tweeting: “Note to self: do not tweet from the Chamber with only one eye on what you’re reading. Sorry folks, my mistake.”"

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1 hour ago, badgerx16 said:

"Mr Lammy later apologised, tweeting: “Note to self: do not tweet from the Chamber with only one eye on what you’re reading. Sorry folks, my mistake.”"

Good to know he's a detail man, and not someone looking to make a point at every opportunity. Or something. 

[Weston Super Saint]

13 minutes ago, egg said:

Good to know he's a detail man, and not someone looking to make a point at every opportunity. Or something. 

Also, why would he be tweeting from the 'chamber' on a bank holiday Monday?  Pretty sure the 'chamber' won't be open on bank holidays.

Edit : Just seen that post is from 2013!!

Edited Monday at 16:35 by Weston Super Saint

[AlexLaw76]

people who are overly religious and/or allow it to dictate their lives, are just f-ing odd

[whelk]

51 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

people who are overly religious and/or allow it to dictate their lives, are just f-ing odd

Or you just don’t understand them

[badgerx16]

2 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

people who are overly religious and/or allow it to dictate their lives, are just f-ing odd

Do you really hold so much of the gun toting, Bible bashing, pickup driving, USA in such low regard ?

Edited Monday at 19:25 by badgerx16

[bpsaint]

3 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

people who are overly religious and/or allow it to dictate their lives, are just f-ing odd

Especially some of the ones absolutely bawling their eyes out on the news over some bloke they’ve never met, weird behaviour. The whole higher echelons of the Catholic Church just feels like a bunch of nonces and abusers anyway, certainly not worthy of anyone’s tears.

[Matthew Le God]

2 hours ago, whelk said:

Or you just don’t understand them

What has he missed about them?

[whelk]

9 hours ago, Matthew Le God said:

What has he missed about them?

Too complex for you to understand I’m afraid 

[benjii]

13 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

Do you really hold so much of the gun toting, Bible bashing, pickup driving, USA in such low regard ?

I got rid of a pick-up about six months ago after two years of having it. I miss it. Might get another one.

[badgerx16]

31 minutes ago, benjii said:

I got rid of a pick-up about six months ago after two years of having it. I miss it. Might get another one.

Did it have a gun rack in the cab ?

[benjii]

3 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Did it have a gun rack in the cab ?

I'm not a looney!

The RPG launcher in the bed was awesome though.

[Matthew Le God]

6 hours ago, whelk said:

Too complex for you to understand I’m afraid 

Genocidal, slavery and rape endorsing, blood sacrifice God cults aren't particularly complex. They are batshit crazy!

[whelk]

18 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Genocidal, slavery and rape endorsing, blood sacrifice God cults aren't particularly complex. They are batshit crazy!

A simpleton won’t see complexity. You have a shown many times that it goes over your head just try not to be too dogmatic when showing your ignorance.

[whelk]

5 hours ago, benjii said:

I got rid of a pick-up about six months ago after two years of having it. I miss it. Might get another one.

99% of pick-up drivers are wankers. But then  I am a judgmental cunt

Edited Tuesday at 14:15 by whelk

[badgerx16]

23 minutes ago, whelk said:

99% of pick-up drivers are wankers. But then  I am a judgmental cunt

30% of them are islamic fighters

[Matthew Le God]

56 minutes ago, whelk said:

A simpleton won’t see complexity. You have a shown many times that it goes over your head just try not to be too dogmatic when showing your ignorance.

Which of the claims... genocidal, slavery and rape endorsing, blood sacrifice loving do you disagree with and why?

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11 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Which of the claims... genocidal, slavery and rape endorsing, blood sacrifice loving do you disagree with and why?

Bless. 

It really is too complex for you mate. 

[Matthew Le God]

2 minutes ago, egg said:

Bless. 

It really is too complex for you mate. 

Try answering the question.

[egg]

2 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Try answering the question.

Simple questions based on a lack of knowledge don't aid discussion on a complex issue. 

[Matthew Le God]

44 minutes ago, egg said:

Simple questions based on a lack of knowledge don't aid discussion on a complex issue. 

What knowledge is required to discuss a global flood being a genocide? Or instructions on which humans you can own as property being slavery? Or keeping virgins of tribes you beat to do with them as you wish as endorsing rape?

[egg]

6 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

What knowledge is required to discuss a global flood being a genocide? Or instructions on which humans you can own as property being slavery? Or keeping virgins of tribes you beat to do with them as you wish as endorsing rape?

If you want Bible study/discussion, pop to the church. The vicar will indulge you I'm sure. I won't. 

We get that you're an atheist. That's fine, many are. People respect that, so try respecting that some other people are not. 

[badgerx16]

11 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

What knowledge is required to discuss a global flood being a genocide? Or instructions on which humans you can own as property being slavery? Or keeping virgins of tribes you beat to do with them as you wish as endorsing rape?

You have to trust in God's Great Plan. It isn't our place to question Him.

 

Edited Tuesday at 16:29 by badgerx16

[Matthew Le God]

3 minutes ago, egg said:

People respect that, so try respecting that some other people are not. 

Respect in what way and why?

[badgerx16]

6 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Respect in what way and why?

Because we live in a polite and tolerant society. Do you stop Muslim women in the street and tell them that the way they are dressed is mysogenistic and oppresses them ? Do you haunt church weddings and baptisms telling the congregations that the whole thing is a sham based on fairy stories ?

Edited Tuesday at 16:41 by badgerx16

[Matthew Le God]

2 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Because we live in a polite and tolerant society.

That did not answer the question. What is out of bounds when it comes to respect, and for what reason?

[badgerx16]

Just now, Matthew Le God said:

That did not answer the question. What is out of bounds when it comes to respect, and for what reason?

Answer the rest of my post. And if you don't do those things, why not ?

Edited Tuesday at 16:43 by badgerx16

[egg]

7 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

That did not answer the question. What is out of bounds when it comes to respect, and for what reason?

The subject is one where there can be debate, the same for everything, but you demonstrate ignorance, intolerance, disrespect, which makes it pointless.

In any event, sticking a question mark after some of the things about a religion that yiu find objectionable, and demanding people explain them, is a pretty shit approach to a debate. 

Gain an understanding then come back. Until then, may the Lord be with you. 

[Matthew Le God]

50 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Because we live in a polite and tolerant society. Do you stop Muslim women in the street and tell them that the way they are dressed is mysogenistic and oppresses them ? Do you haunt church weddings and baptisms telling the congregations that the whole thing is a sham based on fairy stories ?

This is a religion thread on an internet forum. Internet forums are places for discussions. The examples you gave are not, so I don't. Can you not understand the difference?

I do talk to JWs in the street or if one knocks on my door, as they want to talk religion.

[badgerx16]

6 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

This is a religion thread on an internet forum. Internet forums are places for discussions. The examples you gave are not, so I don't. Can you not understand the difference?

I do talk to JWs in the street or if one knocks on my door, as they want to talk religion.

So is it that you don't do those things because you respect the other people, or because you don't want to get punched in the face ?

And how is berating and mocking people's beliefs "discussing" ?

Edited Tuesday at 17:39 by badgerx16

[Matthew Le God]

38 minutes ago, egg said:

1) The subject is one where there can be debate, the same for everything, but you demonstrate ignorance, intolerance, disrespect, which makes it pointless.

2) In any event, sticking a question mark after some of the things about a religion that yiu find objectionable, and demanding people explain them, is a pretty shit approach to a debate. 

3) Gain an understanding then come back. Until then, may the Lord be with you. 

1) Give an example of me doing each. I'm questioning things. Asking questions aids progress.

2) Asking questions aids debates. They are a fundamental part of a debate. If objectionable things can't be defended... maybe you shouldn't believe in them!

3) Understanding of what exactly? How is a global flood anything but a genocide? How is saying which humans you can own as property anything but slavery? Etc etc

[Matthew Le God]

5 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

So you don't do those things because you respect the other people, or because you don't want to get punched in the face ?

I talk religion to people in appropriate places. We are currently in a thread about religion on a forum... that is appropriate. 

Your examples of on the street to people minding their own business or at a church wedding are not appropriate places. People are not looking for those discussions there.

If I see a JW with a stand looking for a chat or if one comes to my door... then that is appropriate. 

That is me showing respect. By judging where and when it is appropriate! 

Edited Tuesday at 17:43 by Matthew Le God

[Matthew Le God]

6 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

And how is berating and mocking people's beliefs "discussing" ?

Give an example of berating and mocking?

Plus in any case, if a belief can't withstand mockery, it has very weak foundations and you should look to question why you continue to believe it if it falls apart at a joke.

[whelk]

2 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Give an example of berating and mocking?

Plus in any case, if a belief can't withstand mockery, it has very weak foundations and you should look to question why you continue to believe it if it falls apart at a joke.

I assume all the JW’s you spoken with have been persuaded to abandon their faith as you highlight how evil their god is?

[badgerx16]

3 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

1) Give an example of me doing each. I'm questioning things. Asking questions aids progress. But you seem to be unable to accept that the answers given might not agree with your personal position.

2) Asking questions aids debates. They are a fundamental part of a debate. If objectionable things can't be defended... maybe you shouldn't believe in them! They are only 'objectionable' if they do not correspond to your beliefs and values. It shows tolerance to understand that others may find these views as a solid moral basis to live by.

3) Understanding of what exactly? How is a global flood anything but a genocide? How is saying which humans you can own as property anything but slavery? Etc etc Some people believe in God and accept that He has a plan, but it may well be beyond human understanding. The fact that you do not accept this does not invalidate their position.

Prove that God does not exist. ( Retorting with a demand to prove He does exist is not a valid response, as some will say the evidence is clear and all around you ).

 

[Matthew Le God]

16 minutes ago, whelk said:

I assume all the JW’s you spoken with have been persuaded to abandon their faith as you highlight how evil their god is?

I doubt it, brainwashing too strong with most of them.

Edited Tuesday at 18:04 by Matthew Le God

[badgerx16]

6 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Give an example of berating and mocking?

 

Claiming God is a "genocidal, slavery and rape endorsing, blood sacrifice loving" entity.

[egg]

14 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

1) Give an example of me doing each. I'm questioning things. Asking questions aids progress.

2) Asking questions aids debates. They are a fundamental part of a debate. If objectionable things can't be defended... maybe you shouldn't believe in them!

3) Understanding of what exactly? How is a global flood anything but a genocide? How is saying which humans you can own as property anything but slavery? Etc etc

1. This thread. Not respecting other people's right to follow religion without justifying it is disrespectful. Your right to atheism is respected. It cuts both ways. 

2. Limited questions, by a person who's demonstrated an inability to separate religion from faith, do not aid debate. 

3. See above. 

[Matthew Le God]

1 minute ago, badgerx16 said:

 

1) If they aren't based on demonstrable evidence why would a rational person accept them?

2) You think it is OK for a person not to find genocide, infanticide, slavery, rape, homophobia and sexism as not objectionable?

3) The God as described in the Bible is incompatible with a good God. Genocide, infanticide, slavery, rape, homophobia and sexism is demonstrably bad for human society.

4) "Prove that God does not exist"

That is not how the burden of proof works. The burden is on those making a claim, not those that don't accept it.

There is however a vast amount of evidence the God as described in the Bible does not exist. The evidence does not match up with the accounts in the book, for a start there was no global flood.

"Exist" is both temporal and spatial and anything outside space and time doesn't meet the definition. 

[Matthew Le God]

7 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Claiming God is a "genocidal, slavery and rape endorsing, blood sacrifice loving" entity.

That is not mocking. That is factual and demonstrable.

- A global flood is... a genocide.

- Giving rules on which humans you can own as property is... slavery. 

- Saying your tribe can keep the virgins of the tribes they defeat and do to them as they wish... is endorsing rape

- Blood sacrificing yourself to yourself to act a a loophole to a set of rules you created is... loving blood sacrifice 

[egg]

5 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

1) If they aren't based on demonstrable evidence why would a rational person accept them?

2) You think it is OK for a person not to find genocide, infanticide, slavery, rape, homophobia and sexism as not objectionable?

3) The God as described in the Bible is incompatible with a good God. Genocide, infanticide, slavery, rape, homophobia and sexism is demonstrably bad for human society.

4) "Prove that God does not exist"

That is not how the burden of proof works. The burden is on those making a claim, not those that don't accept it.

There is however a vast amount of evidence the God as described in the Bible does not exist. The evidence does not match up with the accounts in the book, for a start there was no global flood.

"Exist" is both temporal and spatial and anything outside space and time doesn't meet the definition. 

There's life beyond science. 

[Matthew Le God]

10 minutes ago, egg said:

1. This thread. Not respecting other people's right to follow religion without justifying it is disrespectful. Your right to atheism is respected. It cuts both ways. 

2. Limited questions, by a person who's demonstrated an inability to separate religion from faith, do not aid debate. 

3. See above. 

1) Strawman fallacy

At no point have said they can only follow it if they justify it

2) Faith is the excuse people give if they don't have evidence. If you had evidence... you'd use it and have no need for faith. Faith is therefore irrational. Is there anything someone could not believe in using faith? Is it possible to believe opposing things using faith? If so... it can't be a reliable source to truth.

3) Try answering the questioms

[Matthew Le God]

2 minutes ago, egg said:

There's life beyond science. 

That is ridiculously vague. What do you mean exactly?

[egg]

Just now, Matthew Le God said:

1) Strawman fallacy

At no point have said they can only follow it if they justify it

2) Faith is the excuse people give if they don't have evidence. If you had evidence... you'd use it and have no need for faith. Faith is therefore irrational. Is there anything someone could not believe in using faith? Is it possible to believe opposing things using faith? If so... it can't be a reliable source to truth.

3) Try answering the questioms

1. Bollox, and that from someone who apparently wants debate. 

2. Faith is a belief without scientific basis. Everyone has a degree of faith...even you will have taken a leap of faith. 

3. See 1. 

[egg]

1 minute ago, Matthew Le God said:

That is ridiculously vague. What do you mean exactly?

THERE IS LIFE BEYOND SCIENCE. 

I hope that's clarified it. 

[Matthew Le God]

1 minute ago, egg said:

1. Bollox, and that from someone who apparently wants debate. 

2. Faith is a belief without scientific basis. Everyone has a degree of faith...even you will have taken a leap of faith. 

3. See 1. 

1) Show a post of mine where I said they can only follow it if they justify it.

2) Nonsense. I do not have faith in anything. I have no need for faith.

3) That doesn't answer the missed questions.

[badgerx16]

11 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

That is not mocking. That is factual and demonstrable.

- A global flood is... a genocide.

- Giving rules on which humans you can own as property is... slavery. 

- Saying your tribe can keep the virgins of the tribes they defeat and do to them as they wish... is endorsing rape

- Blood sacrificing yourself to yourself to act a a loophole to a set of rules you created is... loving blood sacrifice 

Yet hundreds of millions of people around the World accept these things. That is even more of a one sided ratio than likes on your X account post about Hassenhuttl.

Edited Tuesday at 18:16 by badgerx16

[Matthew Le God]

2 minutes ago, egg said:

THERE IS LIFE BEYOND SCIENCE. 

I hope that's clarified it. 

That does not clarify anything. It is wishy washy vague nonsense.

What does it mean in reality? What life? What does 'beyond science' mean exactly?

[Matthew Le God]

Just now, badgerx16 said:

Yet millions of people around the World accept these things. That is even more of a one sided ratio than like on your X account post about Hassenhuttl.

You have now used an agumentum ad populum fallacy

Deeply flawed especially when millions of others believe in different conflicting deities. They can't all be correct, so numbers of believers are no indicator of truth.

[egg]

Just now, Matthew Le God said:

1) Show a post of mine where I said they can only follow it if they justify it.

2) Nonsense. I do not have faith in anything. I have no need for faith.

3) That doesn't answer the missed questions.

Your intolerance is matched by your narrow-mindedness and belligerence, so I'll end it here save for the brief comment below. 

Re 2. You do. You'll have taken a leap of faith, taken your chances. That's faith. Hopefully you have faith in your self. I appreciate that's all beyond your superficial outlook, but i's reality.