benjii Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 Interesting add-on to this: My brother is a professional football scout in Holland, and I asked him about Van Der Waals. Here is his answer: "I happened to see this article a few weeks ago in Voetbal International. The common thread throughout the article was this vague figure of Kim Van Der Waals. Bottom line is that nobody in the football world here (Holland) knows of him, what he does, or has done, or even who he is. It seems that one day he walked into SFC out of nowhere and became extremely close to your chairman. I hear he is impossible to work with and even harder to get out, due to his protection from Lowe. His added value is ZERO. Having read that I'm extremely worried. Can anyone confirm this: Does van Der Waals have a penchant for short-sleeve shirt and tie combos? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 According to my source he is NOT a "registered agent" in Holland. Hmm. So the plot thickens. The question remains, if what we've 'discovered' is correct, then just how did this guy make himself such a prominent figure at Saints? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offix Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 Hmm. So the plot thickens. The question remains, if what we've 'discovered' is correct, then just how did this guy make himself such a prominent part at Saints? The "Ali Dia of DoF's" seems to be a good description with what we know (or rather "don't know") so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 Such a shame we didn't know of this before the AGM. Would have been great to see Lowe's face if someone asked who he was! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 Hmm. So the plot thickens. The question remains, if what we've 'discovered' is correct, then just how did this guy make himself such a prominent figure at Saints? Why? Lowe. Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 Such a shame we didn't know of this before the AGM. Would have been great to see Lowe's face if someone asked who he was! Good point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 the date of the osbourne fan forum was 6th november so he was definately here then and if you want a photo of him just dig out a copy of the echo for around that date and i think a few were in the sport section perhaps he was in one of them? I have a friend who works for the Echo. Any idea of the dates of which paper to get? I'll get my hands on one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladysaint Posted 21 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 21 January, 2009 Such a shame we didn't know of this before the AGM. Would have been great to see Lowe's face if someone asked who he was! Exactly what I was thinking, but why has it taken us the fans to unearth him, surely the national press or local press and media must have known of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 Question is....HOW MUCH IS THIS GUY BEING PAID??? Not as much as that greedy Nigel Pearson demanded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 Having read that I'm extremely worried. Can anyone confirm this: Does van Der Waals have a penchant for short-sleeve shirt and tie combos? Of course! :smt115 The wonderful Tommac! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 Exactly what I was thinking, but why has it taken us the fans to unearth him, surely the national press or local press and media must have known of him. They get all their info from this messageboard or direct from Lowe. So, they'll pick up on it now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 Exactly what I was thinking, but why has it taken us the fans to unearth him, surely the national press or local press and media must have known of him. I've seen him at almost every home game this season and thought nothing of it. It was only when there was a thread started suggesting we may have a 'secret football advisor' that I figured this guy could be just that. http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=8454 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 I have a friend who works for the Echo. Any idea of the dates of which paper to get? I'll get my hands on one. the date of the get together was 6/11 which was a thursday.....so im guessing it would have been in the next days edition 7/11. there were some pictures printed as my dad was in a couple but wether or not our man was in the photos i dont know??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 so to summise, who the hell is this person?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offix Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 Can anyone on here get to Hockaday and see if he wants to talk? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 correct. I recall BarcelonaSaint confirming it was th chap he saw at teh airport with Poortvliet 3 months before Lowe re-joined the board last year ...but, of course, all posts pre-Aug 08 are 'lost'...hmmmm..... so we need whoever took the photo of Lowe and this chap at Farnborough to re-post....it was the one with Lowe wearing his light green crumpled jacket talking on the touchline before the game with this "Russian looking" chap standing next to him.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 Bloody annoying that he looks like an "Oligarch" as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 Can anyone on here get to Hockaday and see if he wants to talk? He wont. Standard Lowe keep quiet clause on his contract I suspect...worth a try though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 He was definitely in a photgraph from the Farnboro pre season game. there were comments that he appeared Russian (not very PC) Shame so many posters have been hounded off the site as whoever posted it will no doubt still have a digital copy at home. Shame on us and the Echo for not spotting that we had a consultant on board. Anyone able to trawl the Annual Accounts for his fees? - oh of course not, they haven't been published yet.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 He wont. Standard Lowe keep quiet clause on his contract I suspect...worth a try though. Standard common decency of an employee who values their income TBF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 He's a bloody good advisor though. We'd never have won that one game at home this season with JP running the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 Did, kim, bring the painting of the windmill, we requested for the directors room? Wondering if certain pay packets/expenses/bonus will cover or have covered the cost £60,000 re JP to Helmond...under agents fees no doubt....Just an opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exit2 Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 According to my source he is NOT a "registered agent" in Holland. I looked him up yesterday on the fifa agents listing and couldnt find him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 I looked him up yuesterday on the fifa agents listing and couldnt find him Secret agent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 He was definitely in a photgraph from the Farnboro pre season game. there were comments that he appeared Russian (not very PC) and the fact that the threads with the pictures were 'lost' shortly after will only get the conspiracy theorists going again.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 the date of the get together was 6/11 which was a thursday.....so im guessing it would have been in the next days edition 7/11. there were some pictures printed as my dad was in a couple but wether or not our man was in the photos i dont know??? You can scroll through the pics from that day's edition online - there is a link on the Echo website to the Photos.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 http://www.farney.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=45 ive had a look through these but cant see him,there is a picture of our bench but its not clear,perhaps somebody may be able to clean it up a bit and see if he is there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fos1 Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 He was sat next to Lowe as far back as Doncaster away in directors box !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsk Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 He's a bloody good advisor though. We'd never have won that one game at home this season with JP running the team. Hey, that one was down to me (it's the game I have been to at SMS so far this season). And on topic: Well done guys and gals. I am seriously impressed with your imput on here. You make Columbo look like an amatuer! Apart from no one ever having any idea about this guy being at SMS (and no one ever having heard of him before) is that he states he and Lowe have devised the footballing plan (or words to that effect) which woulkd certainly give credence to those who claim Portaloo does as Lowe (via KvdW?) tells him. It also goes against Wotte's statement at AGM that he and Portaloo pick the tactics, team, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exit2 Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 Simon Richards posted one up, but have spoken to him and he cant find it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 The "Ali Dia of DoF's" seems to be a good description with what we know (or rather "don't know") so far. Good one. Some amusement in an otherwise depressing and possibly sinister storyline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 Simon Richards posted one up, but have spoken to him and he cant find it That's ********. Lowe's got him signed up to a mega confidentiality agreement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsk Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 Did, kim, bring the painting of the windmill, we requested for the directors room? Wondering if certain pay packets/expenses/bonus will cover or have covered the cost £60,000 re JP to Helmond...under agents fees no doubt....Just an opinion. Ottery, I love your posts, keep em coming. They're the best things on here lately. Oh, and I don't believe for a second that Portaloo paid that 60k out of his own pocket either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 and the fact that the threads with the pictures were 'lost' shortly after will only get the conspiracy theorists going again.... You are LOVING this aren't you! Wait until all the rest of the dust shakes out after Larry Allen jobs buys us keep it all safe you and FF should get together and write a book! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 http://www.farney.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=45 ive had a look through these but cant see him,there is a picture of our bench but its not clear,perhaps somebody may be able to clean it up a bit and see if he is there? Right area of the ground but alas....the picture with Lowe and this chap was taken an hour or so before the game.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offix Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 I know why the article was written: The writer, Michel van Egmond, is Editor in Chief of the Feijenoord Krant (Feijenoord's own newspaper, published as far as I know in print only). Feijenoord is of course where Wotte was DoF when they also appointed Gullit as Manager. Both were spectacular failures. So this Feijenoord newspaper was simply doing a "where are they now" story on Wotte. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 Don't be fooled - he's a master of the Geoff Capes Steward disguise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 Right area of the ground but alas....the picture with Lowe and this chap was taken an hour or so before the game.... If the steward has a pair of football boots, he is in next game as centre forward...Back to the good old days..a little bit of beef required... HCDAJFU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 You are LOVING this aren't you! Wait until all the rest of the dust shakes out after Larry Allen jobs buys us keep it all safe you and FF should get together and write a book! Alas....I was storing it all on TSF for safe keeping....little did I know that this would be the first forum in the history of all forums to lose ALL it's data due to a server crash....but what do I know....? I've only been in I.T. for 25 years.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonist Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 If anyone has a picture I will direct that to my brother in Holland (see previous post). IF this guy has ever had any roll of importance in Dutch football we will find out exactly who/what he is. http://www.talenttoday.nl/medewerker/88 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 http://www.talenttoday.nl/medewerker/88 Hehehe...I found that one too....! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonist Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 http://www.talenttoday.nl/medewerker/88 ****, didn't see that the link was posted before. was looking for the picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 Simon Richards posted one up, but have spoken to him and he cant find it Hmmmm.....Please tell me I'm not playing the lead in The Trueman Show sequel.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonist Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 Hmm. So the plot thickens. The question remains, if what we've 'discovered' is correct, then just how did this guy make himself such a prominent figure at Saints? maybe he sold them some photocopiers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladysaint Posted 21 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 21 January, 2009 Would RL not have a duty to inform the shareholders, financers etc., if he has employed a football adviser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 I know why the article was written: The writer, Michel van Egmond, is Editor in Chief of the Feijenoord Krant (Feijenoord's own newspaper, published as far as I know in print only). Feijenoord is of course where Wotte was DoF when they also appointed Gullit as Manager. Both were spectacular failures. So this Feijenoord newspaper was simply doing a "where are they now" story on Wotte. More likely a "look where he is failing now" story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 maybe he sold them some photocopiers. - I'm not a photocopier salesman. I don't know why people keep saying that.... Sure, I've sold the odd photocopier, but y'know.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 Where's BarcelonaSaint....he should be able to clear this up....perhaps....unless he's been kidnapped of course..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 Would RL not have a duty to inform the shareholders, financers etc., if he has employed a football adviser "Duty to inform" is probably a bit OTT as this guy is probably retained, if at all(!), in some sort of consultancy capacity. I doubt he's a fully paid up employee with official accountabilities. Having said that, if a shareholder asks the question of the board as to whether there is a person employed as a strategic go-between of the head coach and the chairman I think they ought to furnish that shareholder with an honest and frank answer, particularly if the individual in question is alleged or perceived to have had "hands-on" influence in the day to day football strategy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 "Duty to inform" is probably a bit OTT as this guy is probably retained, if at all(!), in some sort of consultancy capacity. I doubt he's a fully paid up employee with official accountabilities. Having said that, if a shareholder asks the question of the board as to whether there is a person employed as a strategic go-between of the head coach and the chairman I think they ought to furnish that shareholder with an honest and frank answer, particularly if the individual in question is alleged or perceived to have had "hands-on" influence in the day to day football strategy. I'd agree. He's probably on some consultancy agreement and cetainly hasn't been given the DOF title, but that's not to say he isn't as heavily involved as that article (and my source says). The story will be that he only bills us for the days he works. He does some scouting on the opposition and is keeping an eye out for foreign talent. But that doesn't explain his presence at Staplewood, his involvement in training and discussions between the management team on a regular basis (not to mention being in the middle of shouting matches!!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now