norwaysaint Posted 11 November, 2019 Share Posted 11 November, 2019 Let's turn a complicated, variable situation into something far too over-simplified, just because this is the internet. As barely an armchair fan, I find the match comments on here so variable in opinion from week to week, I don't know what's what anymore. (Is Romeu our only decent midfielder or is he a waste of space?) Rate all or some of our players as simply good, competent or poor over-all. (as in a genuinely good player, a player who can do a reasonable job at this level, a player who just isn't good enough to play PL football) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 11 November, 2019 Share Posted 11 November, 2019 Most of them have been good at some point in the past. Most of them are poor now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 11 November, 2019 Author Share Posted 11 November, 2019 Most of them have been good at some point in the past. Most of them are poor now. Can't agree. Nearly all of the players who were actually good were sold. Most of our squad have never been much more than competent, which we started to see as good in comparison to the poor performances we got used to. Morgan and Wanyama were good, Romeu, PEH and JWP were surely never more than competent. Mane and Lambert were good, Long has never exceeded competent in his career, Lallana and Tadic were good, Redmond was competent for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 11 November, 2019 Share Posted 11 November, 2019 If that's what you consider good, sure. I'd say Mane, Lambert and the like were great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 11 November, 2019 Share Posted 11 November, 2019 Romeu has been good. We were happy with him when he first joined us. Wanyama used to come in for a lot of stick at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 11 November, 2019 Share Posted 11 November, 2019 Thing is some are probably only struggling because they're in a poor side. I look at Redmond, Ings, Romeu, Hojbjerg, Bertrand, Cedric, McCarthy, and they're all been decent and probably are decent enough at this level, but right now they have such a poor defence, and players out of position, and tactically seem a bit all over the place, they are looking **** poor. And also some of them have downed tools, i.e. Cedric. You stick Hojbjerg in alongside Wanyama in that Koeman side, and he'd look class, but too many borderline average players in the squad, and we're struggling massively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 11 November, 2019 Share Posted 11 November, 2019 Thing is some are probably only struggling because they're in a poor side. I look at Redmond, Ings, Romeu, Hojbjerg, Bertrand, Cedric, McCarthy, and they're all been decent and probably are decent enough at this level, but right now they have such a poor defence, and players out of position, and tactically seem a bit all over the place, they are looking **** poor. And also some of them have downed tools, i.e. Cedric. You stick Hojbjerg in alongside Wanyama in that Koeman side, and he'd look class, but too many borderline average players in the squad, and we're struggling massively. Agreed. There are clearly collective psychological problems, particularly around playing at home. Even players like Hoedt and Vestergaard might have turned out alright at other clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_lambden Posted 11 November, 2019 Share Posted 11 November, 2019 McCarthy - Competent Gunn - Sh*te Cedric - Sh*te Valery - Sh*te this season but don't want to dismiss him yet as he's still young. Will be 1st choice RB when we go down Yoshida - Sh*te Vestergaard - Sh*te Stephens - Sh*te Bednarek - A little bit less sh*te than the others but still sh*te Danso - N/A, hasn't played in his actual position yet to be able to judge Bertrand - Competent Romeu - Competent Hojbjerg - Competent JWP - Competent Armstrong - Sh*te Djenepo - Good Boufal - Good Redmond - Good Ings - Good Adams - Not good enough for the Prem so sh*te I guess Long - Sh*te Obafemi - Sh*te Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 11 November, 2019 Author Share Posted 11 November, 2019 McCarthy - Competent Gunn - Sh*te Cedric - Sh*te Valery - Sh*te this season but don't want to dismiss him yet as he's still young. Will be 1st choice RB when we go down Yoshida - Sh*te Vestergaard - Sh*te Stephens - Sh*te Bednarek - A little bit less sh*te than the others but still sh*te Danso - N/A, hasn't played in his actual position yet to be able to judge Bertrand - Competent Romeu - Competent Hojbjerg - Competent JWP - Competent Armstrong - Sh*te Djenepo - Good Boufal - Good Redmond - Good Ings - Good Adams - Not good enough for the Prem so sh*te I guess Long - Sh*te Obafemi - Sh*te Excellent! This is the kind of simplicity I was looking for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 11 November, 2019 Share Posted 11 November, 2019 Excellent thread, yet pointless because you knew the reaction you would get so why bother? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 11 November, 2019 Author Share Posted 11 November, 2019 Excellent thread, yet pointless because you knew the reaction you would get so why bother? It's all pointless. Not one of the threads on here matters or has a good reason for existing at all. Nobody ever changed their minds because of a political comment here. No team selection was ever affected by a thread here. We never bought a player because of the HCDAJFU threads. No player ever changed his game because of comments on here. Why do we bother writing anything here? It's a mildly interesting distraction sometimes, but it's all pointless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 11 November, 2019 Share Posted 11 November, 2019 McCarthy - Competent Gunn - Sh*te Cedric - Sh*te Valery - Sh*te this season but don't want to dismiss him yet as he's still young. Will be 1st choice RB when we go down Yoshida - Sh*te Vestergaard - Sh*te Stephens - Sh*te Bednarek - A little bit less sh*te than the others but still sh*te Danso - N/A, hasn't played in his actual position yet to be able to judge Bertrand - Competent Romeu - Competent Hojbjerg - Competent JWP - Competent Armstrong - Sh*te Djenepo - Good Boufal - Good Redmond - Good Ings - Good Adams - Not good enough for the Prem so sh*te I guess Long - Sh*te Obafemi - Sh*te Pretty much agree but I’d say Ings, Djenepo, Boufal and Redmond are probably competent rather than good at the moment. And probably say Hojbjerg and Romeu are pushing it a bit to be considered competent. Would any other Prem team take any of them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ally_uk Posted 11 November, 2019 Share Posted 11 November, 2019 Ings, Djenepo, Boufal, Sometimes Redmond Wouldn't care less if we sold the rest and rebuilt..... Can't we call up some of our younger players and give them a run out? like Slattery anyone else good with potential? what about that Robise lad.... Failing that sack Ralph bring in Fat Sam sign Giroud in Jan and play hoof ball least we will stay up focus on getting the ball into the target man...... boring way of doing things but needs must.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 11 November, 2019 Share Posted 11 November, 2019 Pretty much agree but I’d say Ings' date=' Djenepo, Boufal and Redmond are probably competent rather than good at the moment. And probably say Hojbjerg and Romeu are pushing it a bit to be considered competent. Would any other Prem team take any of them?[/quote'] Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted 11 November, 2019 Share Posted 11 November, 2019 McCarthy, Redmond and Bertrand are competent. Ings and Djenepo are good. The rest can go take a long walk off a short pier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamilton Saint Posted 11 November, 2019 Share Posted 11 November, 2019 McCarthy - Competent Gunn - Poor/Competent (inconsistent) Cedric - Poor (as a defender) Valery - Poor/Competent (inconsistent and better going forward than defending) Yoshida - Poor/Competent (inconsistent) Vestergaard -Poor/Competent (very inconsistent) Stephens - Poor Bednarek - Competent Danso - the jury is out Bertrand - Competent/Good (not played enough this season) Romeu - Competent Hojbjerg - Competent JWP - Poor/Competent (doesn't contribute much beyond the excellent dead-ball skills) Armstrong - Poor/Competent (inconsistent) Djenepo - Good Boufal - Good (but invariably tries one dribble too many and loses possession) Redmond - Good (shows initiative and pace, but often runs into a dead end) Ings - Good Adams - Poor Long - Poor (apart from his pace and work-ethic) Obafemi - Poor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dangermouth Posted 11 November, 2019 Share Posted 11 November, 2019 McCarthy - Competent and can be good. Gunn - Sh*te has some potential, but might take a couple of years. Cedric - Sh*te Valery - Sh*te this season but don't want to dismiss him yet as he's still young. Will be 1st choice RB when we go down Agree Yoshida - Sh*te Vestergaard - Sh*te Stephens - Sh*te Bednarek - A little bit less sh*te than the others but still sh*te Danso - N/A, hasn't played in his actual position yet to be able to judge Bertrand - Competent - agree with the rest Romeu - Competent Hojbjerg - Competent - Shi3e te JWP - Competent --- total garbage Armstrong - Sh*te --- I would actually like to see him in his proper position for a few games. Djenepo - Good Boufal - Good Redmond - Good ---- ok Ings - Good --- ok Adams - Not good enough for the Prem so sh*te I guess agree Long - Sh*te Obafemi - Sh*te -- Agree with the final two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 11 November, 2019 Share Posted 11 November, 2019 Yes Which ones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killers Knee Posted 11 November, 2019 Share Posted 11 November, 2019 McCarthy - Competent Gunn - Sh*te Cedric - Sh*te Valery - Sh*te this season but don't want to dismiss him yet as he's still young. Will be 1st choice RB when we go down Yoshida - Sh*te Vestergaard - Sh*te Stephens - Sh*te Bednarek - A little bit less sh*te than the others but still sh*te Danso - N/A, hasn't played in his actual position yet to be able to judge Bertrand - Competent Romeu - Competent Hojbjerg - Competent JWP - Competent Armstrong - Sh*te Djenepo - Good Boufal - Good Redmond - Good Ings - Good Adams - Not good enough for the Prem so sh*te I guess Long - Sh*te Obafemi - Sh*te my only change to this would be Redmond - Competent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 12 November, 2019 Share Posted 12 November, 2019 I would but I can't be bothered to write the word **** that many times I'd get repetitive strain injury .. Sent from my moto g(6) using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 12 November, 2019 Share Posted 12 November, 2019 Good - Djenepo, Boufal, Ings, Romeu Competent - McCarthy, Bertrand, Hojberg, Redmond, Cedric, Bednerek Poor - Gunn, Valery, Yoshida, Stephens, Vestergaard, JWP, Armstrong, Adams, Long Havent seen enough of Danso or Obafemi really to judge them. And I’m being generous to one or two, especially on current form....yes you Redmond and PEH !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lumypie Posted 12 November, 2019 Share Posted 12 November, 2019 McCarthy - Competent would be better with a defense in front of him Gunn - Poor after a good start, needs confidence back Cedric - Poor (as a defender and an attacking fullback so many of his crosses are aimless Valery - Ok good start has potential but positional awareness needs work too many last ditch tackles Yoshida - Poor too slow and prone to errors and can not score from a free header from 5 yards Vestergaard -Poor not strong enough in tackle/challenges Stephens - Poor as a defender personally think he should be a DM as has shown he can pass Bednarek - Competent Danso - don't know not seen enough Bertrand - Competent/Good (not played enough this season) Romeu - Competent as a DM to break up the play, Poor moving the ball on neither scope of passing always takes easy option Hojbjerg - Competent as a box to box Duracell bunny running around but poor at linking play and passing woeful JWP - Poor at present has competent moments cant carry a player because he might score the odd free kick so actually overall poor Armstrong - Poor but not really seen much of him in comparison to our other midfielders Djenepo - Potentially good but again not seen enough yet Boufal - Good (but invariably tries one dribble too many and loses possession) Redmond - Good for second half of last season but this year very poor considering our game plan revolves around him (lack of goals/assists) Ings - Good finisher and competent link up play Adams - Poor so far but playing in this tam he has not really had too many chances - jury out for me Long - Poor (apart from his pace and work-ethic) Obafemi - Poor but has potential Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 12 November, 2019 Share Posted 12 November, 2019 I would but I can't be bothered to write the word **** that many times I'd get repetitive strain injury .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordic Saint Posted 12 November, 2019 Share Posted 12 November, 2019 Poor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teamsaint Posted 12 November, 2019 Share Posted 12 November, 2019 This is the team that played the second leg of the League cup semi final, beating a very good Liverpool side, and keeping a clean sheet over 180 mins. Forster Cedric Stephens Yoshida Bertrand JWP ( Hojberg) Romeu Davis Jay Rod ( Long) Redmond Tadic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austsaint Posted 12 November, 2019 Share Posted 12 November, 2019 This is the team that played the second leg of the League cup semi final, beating a very good Liverpool side, and keeping a clean sheet over 180 mins. Forster Cedric Stephens Yoshida Bertrand JWP ( Hojberg) Romeu Davis Jay Rod ( Long) Redmond Tadic Didn't Josh Sims make that marvellous run and assist for Long's goal late in the game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teamsaint Posted 12 November, 2019 Share Posted 12 November, 2019 Didn't Josh Sims make that marvellous run and assist for Long's goal late in the game? Think so. I should have mentioned that of course we had VVD for the first leg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 13 November, 2019 Share Posted 13 November, 2019 Rate our players Poor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordic Saint Posted 13 November, 2019 Share Posted 13 November, 2019 This is the team that played the second leg of the League cup semi final, beating a very good Liverpool side, and keeping a clean sheet over 180 mins. Forster Cedric Stephens Yoshida Bertrand JWP ( Hojberg) Romeu Davis Jay Rod ( Long) Redmond Tadic For all the crticism of him from some of our fans, Forster kept a much higher percentage of clean sheets than any of our other keepers in recent years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 13 November, 2019 Share Posted 13 November, 2019 For all the crticism of him from some of our fans, Forster kept a much higher percentage of clean sheets than any of our other keepers in recent years. Thanks almost completely to the defenders and midfield in front of him at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teamsaint Posted 13 November, 2019 Share Posted 13 November, 2019 Thanks almost completely to the defenders and midfield in front of him at the time. And , just to labour my point, for this particular and very successful fixture, 6 of the seven are current players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 13 November, 2019 Share Posted 13 November, 2019 And , just to labour my point, for this particular and very successful fixture, 6 of the seven are current players. I guess your point is these players are really good? We were a the underdogs in a cup match, over two legs, which is a very different scenario to the grind of the league. For a one off game like this we could find dozens of games where the same players played like turd. This unique one off scenario doesn't really tell you much other than any set of players can raise their game against a better team in a cup game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 13 November, 2019 Share Posted 13 November, 2019 My view is that all current players are not competent at Prem level with the exception of McCarthy, Bertrand, Romeu (just) and Ings. The rest of them range from Championship level at best and below....such is the lack of investment over the last 3-4 years. You can get away with 2-3 Championship level players in the 1st team if they’re among Prem level players in the main. The club has been systematically robbed of talent and lately even the back room staff have been whittled down in numbers and quality. It’s looking dire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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