Roo1976 Posted 9 November, 2019 Share Posted 9 November, 2019 Do we not have another left back at our club other than sulky bertrand? ....whats happend to McQueen?.......square pegs round holes yet again ........all week you look at the smilling faces and fun they all seem to be having on the trainning pitches and suddenly when it comes to match day they freeze. Dont see any formation that we could possibly use to stave of the seemigly enevitable atm. We are now 3 wins away from saftey and its looking very grim indeed no positives for the fans to take away with them today apart from a complimantary scarf....wow.We show no pressure and were at home . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted 9 November, 2019 Share Posted 9 November, 2019 Given the number of people that react to his posting tactics in exactly the way he wants them to,vi would say that he's far from clueless. He's actually very good at what he does. Most were ignoring him in the match thread to be honest. Must be quite a difficult and sad life to post wind up material and then wait for bites to provide a glimmer of joy. I felt bad for the guy, can’t be easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tobes8 Posted 9 November, 2019 Share Posted 9 November, 2019 Stop trying to appease the fans with freebies... spend the money on the academy instead. Manager, owners absolutely clueless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpsaint Posted 9 November, 2019 Share Posted 9 November, 2019 At least today dispelled any lingering hopes that Djenepo is some sort of Mane-esque talisman we can all hang our hats on to steer us clear relegation. He's got a bit about him but he won't be saving us. The poor bloke was playing LB tbf- no wonder he looked so average. Regardless of how **** the players are I’d expect a bit of fight from the team but we just look all over the shop, Ralph and the whole backroom staff need to go. He makes George Burley look like a tactical genius. Absolutey hate going to St Mary’s now, the whole match day experience is disappointing crap, to watch a bunch of ****. Can not wait for the day JWP leaves this club and I, the epitome of how far we’ve fallen that we his guy was wearing the Captains armband today. The whole defence is awful, and I’m still dumbfounded some people claimed Romeu is better than big vic or Morgan. Toasters the lot of them, do they even give a ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BotleySaint Posted 9 November, 2019 Share Posted 9 November, 2019 Ralph has not been able to lift the players from the Leicester game. Yes slightly better against City last week but it's still 4 defeats in a row. Today was everything that is wrong and he is part of it. Easier to change the manager than the whole team. We are certain to go down if he stays in charge and probably will anyway. But once again we need to gamble on it working out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 9 November, 2019 Share Posted 9 November, 2019 Do we not have another left back at our club other than sulky bertrand? ....whats happend to McQueen?.......square pegs round holes yet again ........all week you look at the smilling faces and fun they all seem to be having on the trainning pitches and suddenly when it comes to match day they freeze. Dont see any formation that we could possibly use to stave of the seemigly enevitable atm. We are now 3 wins away from saftey and its looking very grim indeed no positives for the fans to take away with them today apart from a complimantary scarf....wow.We show no pressure and were at home . You obviously blinked & missed Ralph's fantastic decision to give Vokins a one minute cameo in the league cup. Sure he learned a lot in that minute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpsaint Posted 9 November, 2019 Share Posted 9 November, 2019 The poor bloke was playing LB tbf- no wonder he looked so average. Regardless of how **** the players are I’d expect a bit of fight from the team but we just look all over the shop, Ralph and the whole backroom staff need to go. He makes George Burley look like a tactical genius. Absolutey hate going to St Mary’s now, the whole match day experience is disappointing crap, to watch a bunch of ****. Can not wait for the day JWP leaves this club and I, the epitome of how far we’ve fallen that we his guy was wearing the Captains armband today. The whole defence is awful, and I’m still dumbfounded some people claimed Romeu is better than big vic or Morgan. Toasters the lot of them, do they even give a ****. Needless to say my angry typing was auto corrected with hilarious results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangkoksaint Posted 9 November, 2019 Share Posted 9 November, 2019 Three wins from safety and two wins all season.........you do the maths Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vancouver Saint Posted 9 November, 2019 Share Posted 9 November, 2019 What is it about St Mary's? How can the attitude and performance be so different from the Man City game just last week? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 9 November, 2019 Share Posted 9 November, 2019 There was a very inclusive club meeting on Wednesday. Workers at the club have been promised complete overhaul of coaching set up, DOF in by next Match and signings in January. Jaidi has gone already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BotleySaint Posted 9 November, 2019 Share Posted 9 November, 2019 What is it about St Mary's? How can the attitude and performance be so different from the Man City game just last week?Same could be said about the first 15 mins if the second half. How can we play like that and suddenly give up and look so poor. Players just not showing enough effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 9 November, 2019 Share Posted 9 November, 2019 Team has no real idea on how they want to play, each week it seems a random 11 is selected in different positions. No wonder we look poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reinhard Posted 9 November, 2019 Share Posted 9 November, 2019 Tip to our defenders, if we don't have the ball, try standing close to anyone whose shirt is not the same colour as yours! Exactly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrfahaji Posted 9 November, 2019 Share Posted 9 November, 2019 I’m wondering if the issue with Hasenhuttl is that he has a particular style that he is an expert at coaching, but that it also requires a particular set of players to work. We don’t have those players, so he has to look for other ways to get a tune out of the team, and just isn’t that versatile. The thing that perplexed me though is the change from last season. He started making decisions that everyone wanted to see (ie all the weird selections from Hughes stopped), and it seemed like the players were all inside with him. Perhaps the latter is simply down to players losing confidence and ultimately faith in RH with results, but why has Hasenhuttl’s approach with regard to team selection and tactics changed so much? Even things like bringing Boufal back, getting him playing well and looking like a key player, and then stopping playing him. All the time we have JWP contributing very little every week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints-cris Posted 9 November, 2019 Share Posted 9 November, 2019 Actually can’t remember a time I’ve enjoyed going to a game less than that, admittedly I wasn’t at the Leicester game, but still. Woeful from the first to the last. Losing is never a great day out, but how we played was worrying. Toothless, gutless, rubbish in every single way possible. Feels like the fans have been overly good, or tried to be for too long, hasn’t worked and now just resigned to the fact we circling the drain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reinhard Posted 9 November, 2019 Share Posted 9 November, 2019 All the time we have JWP contributing very little every week. plus Bednarek ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 9 November, 2019 Share Posted 9 November, 2019 Ralph gave JWP the captaincy, he is the biggest problem we have, if Ralph can't see it then get rid of him, because until he does or he goes we are useless as long as JWP is in midfield.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints-cris Posted 9 November, 2019 Share Posted 9 November, 2019 Actually can’t remember a time I’ve enjoyed going to a game less than that, admittedly I wasn’t at the Leicester game, but still. Woeful from the first to the last. Losing is never a great day out, but how we played was worrying. Toothless, gutless, rubbish in every single way possible. Feels like the fans have been overly good, or tried to be for too long, hasn’t worked and now just resigned to the fact we circling the drain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyinthesky Posted 9 November, 2019 Share Posted 9 November, 2019 I have been concerned for a while that this squad would be incapable of getting us in the frame for promotion from the Championship. Take away the players that will have to be sold for revenue or to reduce the wage bill, add in the Black Box's complete failure to spot suitable players at a reasonable price and League One looks a reasonable scenario. Meantime my Players rating for today McCarthy 6... Couldnt be blamed for the goals Armstrong 5... Played out of position Cedric 5... Ditto Bednerak 5... Below average. Vestergaard 5... Ditto Stephens 5... Ditto Romeu 4.... Worse game I have seen him play fro some time Ward Prowse 4 ... Was going to be 3 but he had a decent free kick well saved Redmond 4... Hardly in the game but to be fair the service to the front players was poor Ings 5.5.. Another isolated player trying to deal with high balls against taller and more powerful players Djenepo 5.5....Reminds me of a skinny and more skilful George Lawrence. Should never be asked to play left back Boufal 6.... As we know tends to play himself into blind alleys but at least gave us a few things to cheer about especially making the goal Ched Evans 3.... A couple of runs when he came on Obefemi 1....Dis he actually touch the ball? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 9 November, 2019 Author Share Posted 9 November, 2019 Ched Evans 3.... A couple of runs when he came on At least we've signed a striker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teamsaint Posted 9 November, 2019 Share Posted 9 November, 2019 There was a very inclusive club meeting on Wednesday. Workers at the club have been promised complete overhaul of coaching set up, DOF in by next Match and signings in January. Jaidi has gone already. did the meeting cover marking the other teams players ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 9 November, 2019 Share Posted 9 November, 2019 Also, does overhaul of coaching set up mean getting some coaches in and losing the losers we have at the moment? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefizzy14 Posted 9 November, 2019 Share Posted 9 November, 2019 Also, does overhaul of coaching set up mean getting some coaches in and losing the losers we have at the moment? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Come on Manji, let's hear some more on this. I think we as fans deserve to hear more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 9 November, 2019 Share Posted 9 November, 2019 As long as the overhaul gets rid of the guy who thinks fullbacks are optional Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rory Peepa Posted 9 November, 2019 Share Posted 9 November, 2019 Going down would be a catastrophe with these owners. They are takers not givers and I can’t see us getting back up any time soon. I’m not a fan of old style functional football but I don’t understand all the negative comments about a manager like Allardyce. I’ve always thought his teams play when they can but his first priority is solidity and there’s nothing wrong with that. You build from the back and go from there. However, he’s a shrewd operator and the question we should be asking is are we good enough for him? He won’t want to take a team down and honest answer is, no I don’t think we are. He’s not a mug and our first team are mugs unfortunately. He’s a much better manager than we are a team and a squad. This team is utter, utter ****e. Way, way worse than in 05. At least that team scored goals. This one is just as **** at the back but we hardly score any. We are like rabbits in the headlights as we are scared to pay at home now. I can’t see this ending in anything other than being 10 pokes adrift of safety by the end. People who say we would struggle in championship are right. We’d get walked over physically and desire wise it’s just not there at the moment. Worrying times but it’s been coming for a long while. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 9 November, 2019 Share Posted 9 November, 2019 Ralph needs to play 4 at the back , giving Danso a run and fullbacks at fullback! And stop making silly late substitutions when we are chasing the game or losing otherwise he needs to go ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stknowle Posted 9 November, 2019 Share Posted 9 November, 2019 Needless to say my angry typing was auto corrected with hilarious results. WTF you toasting bout pal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 9 November, 2019 Share Posted 9 November, 2019 Team has no real idea on how they want to play, each week it seems a random 11 is selected in different positions. No wonder we look poor. spot on. Ralf doesn't seem to have a clue what his best 11 is. He makes so many changes every week. How are players ever going to find form, confidence and an understanding? I know why he went five at the back (with four we shipped goals), but Koeman had it right, tighten the ship with five against the top sides, then move back to a four against the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hasper57saint Posted 9 November, 2019 Share Posted 9 November, 2019 I am so glad we didn't renew our STs. If Ralph can't see the bleeding obvious then perhaps he needs to to Spec Savers. Giving JWP the captains armband is an insult of the highest level for us fans. Crab football is not in the least entertaining and yet week after week that's how we play (I'm reluctant to use the word play because perform they cannot) There's something rotten festering inside our Club and it's certainly not the employees. Until this is sorted out we will continue to drop like a stone. I don't really want the Championship but we may get a little more value for our money. Very soon fans will start walking away and the responsibility for that is totally on the shoulders of the Owners. It's time for GAO to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BotleySaint Posted 9 November, 2019 Share Posted 9 November, 2019 Seriously what was throwing obafemi on with about 2 mins left supposed to achieve? We weren't even getting the ball forward to our existing strikers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmonton Saint Posted 9 November, 2019 Share Posted 9 November, 2019 4 shots all match in a must win game. Pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vancouver Saint Posted 9 November, 2019 Share Posted 9 November, 2019 Going down would be a catastrophe with these owners. They are takers not givers and I can’t see us getting back up any time soon. I’m not a fan of old style functional football but I don’t understand all the negative comments about a manager like Allardyce. I’ve always thought his teams play when they can but his first priority is solidity and there’s nothing wrong with that. You build from the back and go from there. However, he’s a shrewd operator and the question we should be asking is are we good enough for him? He won’t want to take a team down and honest answer is, no I don’t think we are. He’s not a mug and our first team are mugs unfortunately. He’s a much better manager than we are a team and a squad. This team is utter, utter ****e. Way, way worse than in 05. At least that team scored goals. This one is just as **** at the back but we hardly score any. We are like rabbits in the headlights as we are scared to pay at home now. I can’t see this ending in anything other than being 10 pokes adrift of safety by the end. People who say we would struggle in championship are right. We’d get walked over physically and desire wise it’s just not there at the moment. Worrying times but it’s been coming for a long while. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk NOOOOOO! The worst knee-jerk reaction. You really want a negative, park the bus hoofball crook to manage us? I'd rather give a ball boy a go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 9 November, 2019 Share Posted 9 November, 2019 Seriously what was throwing obafemi on with about 2 mins left supposed to achieve? We weren't even getting the ball forward to our existing strikers. Making sure Ralph's everton win came through on his accumulator? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 9 November, 2019 Share Posted 9 November, 2019 Obafemi on in injury time? Really??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roo1976 Posted 9 November, 2019 Share Posted 9 November, 2019 Do we not have another left back at our club other than sulky bertrand? ....whats happend to McQueen?.......square pegs round holes yet again ........all week you look at the smilling faces and fun they all seem to be having on the trainning pitches and suddenly when it comes to match day they freeze. Dont see any formation that we could possibly use to stave of the seemigly enevitable atm. We are now 3 wins away from saftey and its looking very grim indeed no positives for the fans to take away with them today apart from a complimantary scarf....wow.We show no pressure and were at home . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 9 November, 2019 Share Posted 9 November, 2019 Do we not have another left back at our club other than sulky bertrand? ....whats happend to McQueen?...... . Coming back from long-term injury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lloydie Posted 9 November, 2019 Share Posted 9 November, 2019 I’d take Allardyce at this point. Change my mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusic Posted 9 November, 2019 Share Posted 9 November, 2019 Obviously rubbish but its very clear to me that on the pitch the biggest problem by a million miles is our CBs. They are all crap and all dreadful on the ball. I felt for the attackers because the defence just doesn't give us a foothold in any game at the moment. Failure to sign a proper CB in the summer will relegate us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 9 November, 2019 Share Posted 9 November, 2019 This. Although I wouldnt call Kat a parasite. More of a naive dumb mother****er I'm glad at least that Kat was present to see what her actions (appointments) have led us to. She is the architect of our fall. She has been too keen to capitalise on Marcus's inheritance by selling our best and replacing with cheap clueless inferiors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manuel Posted 9 November, 2019 Share Posted 9 November, 2019 Cedric was just horrible in that position. So right footed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 9 November, 2019 Share Posted 9 November, 2019 (edited) The thing that perplexed me though is the change from last season. He started making decisions that everyone wanted to see (ie all the weird selections from Hughes stopped), and it seemed like the players were all onside with him. This is what baffles me somewhat too. Hassenhutl was getting a decent tune out of these players second half of last season and that has completed reversed this season. How can a manager and squad go from top 10 form (which we were just about under Ralph's tenure last season) to relegation form so quickly? It has to be something to do with Rohl's sudden departure in the summer IMO. That's the only significant variable that's changed. Edited 9 November, 2019 by trousers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stknowle Posted 9 November, 2019 Share Posted 9 November, 2019 I’d take Allardyce at this point. Change my mind. So would I. It's the last throw of the (allar)dice but **** it, if it keeps us up, do it. He ain't getting poached from us by England that's for sure and we might be a tad less demanding than Everton fans so we may even get some stability! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fookwit Posted 9 November, 2019 Share Posted 9 November, 2019 Players don’t care Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toussaint Posted 9 November, 2019 Share Posted 9 November, 2019 Go down, keep Hasenhuttl and back him with anything we can. Sent from my Pixel 3 using Tapatalk The kindest thing you can say fit Ralph is massively out of his depth in the pl. I think he has lost it completely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rory Peepa Posted 9 November, 2019 Share Posted 9 November, 2019 NOOOOOO! The worst knee-jerk reaction. You really want a negative, park the bus hoofball crook to manage us? I'd rather give a ball boy a go. No I don’t want hoof ball but I’ve seen Allardyce teams play us off the park on more than one occasion. I’m not saying he is the answer, only I don’t understand the negativity towards him and he should be deserving of more respect than he he gets. I’m not sure our players could do what he’d ask of them anyway. We’re in the **** and make no mistake. [emoji37] Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 9 November, 2019 Share Posted 9 November, 2019 Going down would be a catastrophe with these owners. They are takers not givers and I can’t see us getting back up any time soon. I’m not a fan of old style functional football but I don’t understand all the negative comments about a manager like Allardyce. I’ve always thought his teams play when they can but his first priority is solidity and there’s nothing wrong with that. You build from the back and go from there. did you go to any of the Saints West Ham games at St Marys when he was there? Crikey. They were dreadful. There was no attempt to play at all. Nudder. If smashing the ball into outer space at every opportunity is classified as functional then I'd prefer disfunctional thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verlaine1979 Posted 9 November, 2019 Share Posted 9 November, 2019 For ****s sake, the 5 at the back has to go. We are always going to let in a couple of goals, so let's make sure we give ourselves a bit more attacking freedom. When we have the ball, the defenders just pass it amongst themselves hoping someone becomes free that they can release to. But given Romeu is rarely more than 10 yards from the defenders, that leaves just 4 players up the pitch which makes it very easy for the opposition to mark us out of the game. So we kick it long hoping that Redmond or Ings can magic something up and we lost the ball. Rise and repeat. So let's remove a player from the backline and let's give us another person up the pitch. One of the few glimpses of hope we have got is that we do have some flair attacking players, even if they are frustrating. I wouldn't mind us going back to a 4-2-3-1 as that has usually got the best out of our attacks in the past. It's difficult as there isn't a natural player to go with Romeu in that defensive midfield duo, but might give us a stonger attacking foundation This - 47% possession must have been almost entirely passing it between the back five, as the ball hardly stuck for longer than two passes in midfield and attack. None of our CBs are great passers, and yet we're set up for them to be our chief playmakers. Hence the number of times Bednarek ending up passing it straight to Pickford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 9 November, 2019 Share Posted 9 November, 2019 we have made our bed and have to lay in it. we weren't satisfied with top 8 finishes and a cup final, the 'anyone but' attitude has got us here. So if w get rid of another manager will that work. Sooner or later we have to stick. Any team that loses 9-0 is in trouble and probably still a bag of nerves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 9 November, 2019 Share Posted 9 November, 2019 No I don’t want hoof ball but I’ve seen Allardyce teams play us off the park on more than one occasion. I’m not saying he is the answer, only I don’t understand the negativity towards him and he should be deserving of more respect than he he gets. I’m not sure our players could do what he’d ask of them anyway. We’re in the **** and make no mistake. [emoji37] Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Would not worry about big Sam, Gao won’t have a fuking clue who he is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 9 November, 2019 Share Posted 9 November, 2019 The kindest thing you can say fit Ralph is massively out of his depth in the pl. I think he has lost it completely he certainly doesn't seem to have the answer, but does anyone? I don't see a top class keeper, or any CB or CM at the club good enough. There is a little bit of flair out wide, but the strikers are not top class. The youth players around the first team squad don't improve us. We could be doing better, but this side is not strong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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