thorpie the sinner Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 I wonder...... I try and analyse things and remove the emotion from it, sometimes I get close, sometimes I'm miles away. But what I see here is a very simple and very clear message. So who is it aimed at? Possibly at the fans, preparing us for the prospect of a bad last week in the transfer window Possibly at somebody stalling in some other field - the only example I could think of would be our resident comedy act - the Fulthorpe bid Possibly even to push some pressure back onto the bank who may be trying to play hardball on the overdraft - after all it's Barclays who are in HOW MUCH sh1t? Maybe, just maybe (oh how I HOPE) it's to do with trying to set expectations for levels of comepnsation for (soon) to be redundant ex coaching staff OR to try and get a replacement teams salary ambitions down The only way to try and see this stuff and make any sense is to take away the first and obvious reaction that everything is the work of a psychotic. So, if it was 2 or 3 above - by f**k I hope it has worked Rupert, if it is 4 then to be honest a week's delay may cost us more than he saves. If it is 1, then better go find the tin hats chaps and chappesses because the next few days to the end of the window could be melt down time As for the PA story. It's gonna make a good book one day when we get all the pieces so what order is it Phil???? 4321, 1342, 3412, 2314, God it makes you dizzy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoswellSaint Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 Robbie, you have to take into account that if we go into admin Lowe's shares become worthless. Add that to him not being able to guarantee being able to buy the club outright (it could happen - scary - but it won't be his decision. Someone could offer the administrators more money) and there's no tangible reason why Lowe would want the club to do anything other than survive and grow. Being a little too rational, Ponty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 so what order is it Phil???? 4321, 1342, 3412, 2314, God it makes you dizzy! Oh, so now you want COMMITMENT to an OPINION - ha, no way i've seen what those do to people on here But my guess is the Bank, simply from what is happening to their share price and the fact that everyone thinks they haven't declared all their toxic debts (like us) meanwhile on a similar subject. bet Amanda Staveley isn't the most popular blonde in Abu Dhabi these days, Buy Man City, buy Barclays... lol Wonder where she got all her contacts from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 Oh, so now you want COMMITMENT to an OPINION - ha, no way i've seen what those do to people on here But my guess is the Bank, simply from what is happening to their share price and the fact that everyone thinks they haven't declared all their toxic debts (like us) meanwhile on a similar subject. bet Amanda Staveley isn't the most popular blonde in Abu Dhabi these days, Buy Man City, buy Barclays... lol Wonder where she got all her contacts from? Dunno, Saints are next ha ha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgiesaint Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 I wonder...... I try and analyse things and remove the emotion from it, sometimes I get close, sometimes I'm miles away. But what I see here is a very simple and very clear message. So who is it aimed at? Possibly at the fans, preparing us for the prospect of a bad last week in the transfer window Possibly at somebody stalling in some other field - the only example I could think of would be our resident comedy act - the Fulthorpe bid Possibly even to push some pressure back onto the bank who may be trying to play hardball on the overdraft - after all it's Barclays who are in HOW MUCH sh1t? Maybe, just maybe (oh how I HOPE) it's to do with trying to set expectations for levels of comepnsation for (soon) to be redundant ex coaching staff OR to try and get a replacement teams salary ambitions down The only way to try and see this stuff and make any sense is to take away the first and obvious reaction that everything is the work of a psychotic. So, if it was 2 or 3 above - by f**k I hope it has worked Rupert, if it is 4 then to be honest a week's delay may cost us more than he saves. If it is 1, then better go find the tin hats chaps and chappesses because the next few days to the end of the window could be melt down time As for the PA story. It's gonna make a good book one day when we get all the pieces Hmm, you have to wonder. The rumour prior to Christmas was that the 6 mth statement was going to show an improvment, since then the income will have been boosted by 26k at the Forest game & a sell out to ManU. With regards to your summation on who the messages are for: 1) the fans - possible but who would be that shocked/surprised if Surman and/or Lallana left - maybe to deflect the impact of Kelvin going? 2) the tyre-kickers - don't see what has changed with them, they'll still be kicking tyres - if they had the money & the desire, they would have bid by now 3) the bank - would suspect this is the main reason, Barclays will have been working for us to reduce the o/d, the lack of sales & Saga coming back won't help our position 4) the (ex)managers/players - don't think it would take that much to pay off JP & his crew, and the players coming in must have pretty low expectations. For me its 3, with maybe a bit of 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 22 January, 2009 Share Posted 22 January, 2009 Knowing Lowe, do you really think he would let it go unpublished that those who he replaced had fcked up such a deal??? Not a chance, he would have been waving it from the rooftops, way ahead of their incompetence with regards the finances. It would be his ultimate stick to beat them with. I have no idea who you have spoken to, but Paul Allen was nowhere near us a couple of summers ago. You need to go and ask some questions about Tom McCloughlin and his role in the whole affair. It's fantasy stuff. Ump you might not realise it but I DO respect what you say even though we do seem at different poles on things. In respect of the PA thing too many at the top have voiced that he was there and during the AGM Rl allowed Jones to say about it without correcting it.I doubt that Rl didnt know what he was to say either. The guy you talk about may have added to the rumours that i dont know but I again say that MC flying especially to meet a contact to resurrect the deal and other little pieces I dont wish to put up makes me believe. If RL had been the man in charge of the deal, would the fans have been so understanding and prepared to say 'He wasn't there.' or would it have been he was 'too greedy, and f####'d it up' My understanding was that the club dithered as 1 party didnt wish to lose their longstanding family ties to the club and another for other reasons. PA/agents couldnt be bothered to get embroiled in it, rightly expecting to be welcomed withopen arms. Now of course I may be wrong, but boy if the club have missed the biggest opportunity in our history they have done us a major disservice.The real truth may not come out for a long time, but until then it will take a lot for me to change my mind. As i said i heard from too many at the time and since from both sides of our board he was interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 22 January, 2009 Share Posted 22 January, 2009 Ump you might not realise it but I DO respect what you say even though we do seem at different poles on things. In respect of the PA thing too many at the top have voiced that he was there and during the AGM Rl allowed Jones to say about it without correcting it.I doubt that Rl didnt know what he was to say either. The guy you talk about may have added to the rumours that i dont know but I again say that MC flying especially to meet a contact to resurrect the deal and other little pieces I dont wish to put up makes me believe. If RL had been the man in charge of the deal, would the fans have been so understanding and prepared to say 'He wasn't there.' or would it have been he was 'too greedy, and f####'d it up' My understanding was that the club dithered as 1 party didnt wish to lose their longstanding family ties to the club and another for other reasons. PA/agents couldnt be bothered to get embroiled in it, rightly expecting to be welcomed withopen arms. Now of course I may be wrong, but boy if the club have missed the biggest opportunity in our history they have done us a major disservice.The real truth may not come out for a long time, but until then it will take a lot for me to change my mind. As i said i heard from too many at the time and since from both sides of our board he was interested. I agree with most of your take on this, although I would likely change the last line, more likely to read something like.. "the people that handle such matters for him were interested" - that then fits in with all the pieces of the jigsaw and the denials. At that sort of level they would usually have a team of experts who are tasked with running that sort of operation, and with set targets and budgets (and of course bonuses) to meet. The only time the main man would ever know is likely to be when he signs the project off or the cheque, and maybe not even then. That fits slightly better IMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 22 January, 2009 Share Posted 22 January, 2009 (edited) I agree with most of your take on this, although I would likely change the last line, more likely to read something like.. "the people that handle such matters for him were interested" - that then fits in with all the pieces of the jigsaw and the denials. At that sort of level they would usually have a team of experts who are tasked with running that sort of operation, and with set targets and budgets (and of course bonuses) to meet. The only time the main man would ever know is likely to be when he signs the project off or the cheque, and maybe not even then. That fits slightly better IMHO So is it right to think that MC got that horrendous stick from Hone and Lowe over the breakdown of the possible deal? Just guessing, but would perhaps a major shareholder funnily enough not involved in the current regime be the only party who upset the applecart? Not looking to apportion blame, but TBF if we hit Admin then, it could all have been avoided... OR IS IT YET ANOTHER WAY OF APPORTIONING BLAME TO OTHERS??? Christ only knows, and even he can't help us. Edited 22 January, 2009 by Channon's Sideburns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgiesaint Posted 22 January, 2009 Share Posted 22 January, 2009 The one thing that I don't get about the whole PA issue: If he was interested in buying a football club, then why has he never shown up on the radar for any of the 20, 30, 40 or so clubs that would welcome him with open arms? He certainly hasn't gone out and bought someone else. So if it was SFC he was specifically interested in then why? and if he wanted us that much then why drift away so quickly? The only answer I can come up with is that he wasn't interested in the first place, he may have checked out some options as other US businessmen were investing, Glaziers, Hicks, Gillett & the guy at Aston Villa just to what the returns might be, but IMO it couldn't have gone any further than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 22 January, 2009 Share Posted 22 January, 2009 The one thing that I don't get about the whole PA issue: If he was interested in buying a football club, then why has he never shown up on the radar for any of the 20, 30, 40 or so clubs that would welcome him with open arms? He certainly hasn't gone out and bought someone else. So if it was SFC he was specifically interested in then why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 22 January, 2009 Share Posted 22 January, 2009 The one thing that I don't get about the whole PA issue: If he was interested in buying a football club, then why has he never shown up on the radar for any of the 20, 30, 40 or so clubs that would welcome him with open arms? He certainly hasn't gone out and bought someone else. So if it was SFC he was specifically interested in then why? and if he wanted us that much then why drift away so quickly? The only answer I can come up with is that he wasn't interested in the first place, he may have checked out some options as other US businessmen were investing, Glaziers, Hicks, Gillett & the guy at Aston Villa just to what the returns might be, but IMO it couldn't have gone any further than that. Someone who was known to be associated with PA turned up and said PA was interested in buying. He was believed for a while but it turned out PA knew nothing about it and wasnt interested. Just another chancer looking to insert himself into a deal to get a big payday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 22 January, 2009 Share Posted 22 January, 2009 Ah. The old photo of a cruise liner which sometimes comes into Southampton moored next to PA's yacht, thereby proving he wants to buy Saints scam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 22 January, 2009 Share Posted 22 January, 2009 Ah. The old photo of a cruise liner which sometimes comes into Southampton moored next to PA's yacht, thereby proving he wants to buy Saints scam. Ssshhh...I'm trying to keep this under wraps for now....still needs some work.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 22 January, 2009 Share Posted 22 January, 2009 OK found it - yes finally THE Yacht photo that proves we have a rescue party on the way no idea how to make the pic on here so here is the link for yacht watchers like trousers http://www.panoramio.com/photo/7786954 here it is in close up http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2007/03/30/ferry_wideweb__470x312,0.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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