Whitey Grandad Posted 17 August, 2008 Share Posted 17 August, 2008 against probably the best team in the league after giving them a lesson in football in the first half, FFS FFS FFS last year we would of lost by 5 or 6. Let's not get carried away. With a motivating manager last year's squad would beat this one 7 times out of 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 17 August, 2008 Share Posted 17 August, 2008 I saw last seasons team a lot. I don't think they'd have beaten anyone 7 games out of 10. They were a disorganised, unfit lazy mess. Skacel / Holmes? Rasiak / McGoldrick? Saganowski / Thomson? There was a proviso about motivation at the beginning of my post. I think that disorganzed and unfit apply to most of the second half yesterday. The marking for their two goals was non-existent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 17 August, 2008 Share Posted 17 August, 2008 If more people had truned up yesterday and seen how good the football was they would keep coming, why is evryone so desperate to keep the utter sh*t that played for us last year, we are miles better now. So we need to HOPE that an unproven mangement duo, in charge of an unproven squad of youngsters and by all accounts overpaid journeymen that can't even get on the bench, will HOPEFULLY start to perform and attract more people to pay to watch. And all this HOPING has been signed off by the bank manager.... I wish I had the same bank manager, I reckon I could get a mortgage at about 2% fixed for life :shock: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 17 August, 2008 Share Posted 17 August, 2008 Don't sell players, go into administration and get relegated due to points loss. Sell our players, don't go into administration but get relegated due to not having enough points. To conclude. We're fooooooked. The penny drops. Can we be friends now ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 17 August, 2008 Share Posted 17 August, 2008 28 players in the first team squad on the OS. JP said 24 in one of his early interviews (wish I could find it been googling all day!). 4 still to go then Davies Surman, hopefully Euell & Skacel, if not.... crikes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 17 August, 2008 Share Posted 17 August, 2008 Don't sell players, go into administration and get relegated due to points loss. Sell our players, don't go into administration but get relegated due to not having enough points. To conclude. We're fooooooked The penny drops. Can we be friends now ? One event is a certainty (almost), the other is not. Unless you choose to tint your realism with an unhealhy does of pessimism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatangsaint Posted 17 August, 2008 Share Posted 17 August, 2008 true ... but still dont like the sounds of all our better players being sold esp two as i see as at the heart of saints Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dicko Posted 17 August, 2008 Share Posted 17 August, 2008 Seems we can't get rid of Skacel so instead we will off load Surman, if we get 2.5 million that is a lot of money for a half decent player who most think isn't a left back but thats where he will be played this season so we are getting a lot of cash for an average left back, I'd snap there hand off and bring Skacel back in. I tend to agree. Clearly, the board are having trouble getting shot of Skacel If his mind is right, I think he's a better player at left-back than Surman anyway, so this might not be a total disaster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hacienda Posted 17 August, 2008 Share Posted 17 August, 2008 The penny drops. Can we be friends now ? The penny dropped along time ago Thrush. I, however, will get behind the nippers because they are making a fist of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musesaint Posted 17 August, 2008 Share Posted 17 August, 2008 We are fcu*k'd For god's sake ...selling Drew is heresy ....does Lowe have no decency?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 17 August, 2008 Share Posted 17 August, 2008 You can be sure lowe wont do a ****e deal for davies. What if there in a min release clause in Andrew Davies contract saying if a Premiership club comes in at 1.3m then he can go? It wouldn't be Ruperts fault but there wouldn't be anything he could do to make it a good deal for Saints as 1.3m is far far below Davies value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowballs2 Posted 17 August, 2008 Share Posted 17 August, 2008 Why not ? I think Wilde's decisions are more questionable than Lowe's Everbody makes mistakes I certainly do but one has to accept them one cannot live in the past Continuous mistakes is what has got us into this mess. Its time for those in positions of management to stop making them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintkiptanui Posted 17 August, 2008 Share Posted 17 August, 2008 So we need to HOPE that an unproven mangement duo, in charge of an unproven squad of youngsters and by all accounts overpaid journeymen that can't even get on the bench, will HOPEFULLY start to perform and attract more people to pay to watch. And all this HOPING has been signed off by the bank manager.... I wish I had the same bank manager, I reckon I could get a mortgage at about 2% fixed for life :shock:they did perform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 17 August, 2008 Share Posted 17 August, 2008 they did perform. For a third of the match, in one formation only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 17 August, 2008 Share Posted 17 August, 2008 Continuous mistakes is what has got us into this mess. Its time for those in positions of management to stop making them. What mistakes are you talking about The mistake in kicking out Lowe in the first place. Or buying second rate players on high wages to please the fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 17 August, 2008 Share Posted 17 August, 2008 What mistakes are you talking about The mistake in kicking out Lowe in the first place. Or buying second rate players on high wages to please the fans. What about the lack of investment in the team when we had all the riches of the premiership? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 17 August, 2008 Share Posted 17 August, 2008 (edited) What about the lack of investment in the team when we had all the riches of the premiership? What Riches? If there was money to invest and it was not invested surely it would be still around somewhere Edited 17 August, 2008 by John B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 17 August, 2008 Share Posted 17 August, 2008 What Riches? Are you serious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 17 August, 2008 Share Posted 17 August, 2008 What Riches? If there was money to invest and it was not invested surely it would be still around somewhere It went on paying off managers, engaging with PR companies, and taking EGMs to the 11th hour so all costs had to be paid for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 17 August, 2008 Share Posted 17 August, 2008 It went on paying off managers, engaging with PR companies, and taking EGMs to the 11th hour so all costs had to be paid for. Not much then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 17 August, 2008 Share Posted 17 August, 2008 It went on paying off managers, engaging with PR companies, and taking EGMs to the 11th hour so all costs had to be paid for. Don`t forget the dividends.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 17 August, 2008 Share Posted 17 August, 2008 Don`t forget the dividends.. Silly me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 17 August, 2008 Share Posted 17 August, 2008 Are you serious? Yes I am deadly serious I never thought we had sufficient funds to invest heavily in new players. I thought our problem was that no home grown players were coming through so the whole team had to be bought in , instead of having a few players home grown players like we used to have and then buying a couple of reall quality players. I felt players like Telfer Jacobson McCann and Crainey were not that good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 17 August, 2008 Share Posted 17 August, 2008 Silly me. How much were the dividends I wonder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 17 August, 2008 Share Posted 17 August, 2008 Yes I am deadly serious I never thought we had sufficient funds to invest heavily in new players. I thought our problem was that no home grown players were coming through so the whole team had to be bought in , instead of having a few players home grown players like we used to have and then buying a couple of reall quality players. I felt players like Telfer Jacobson McCann and Crainey were not that good We had all the trappings of Sky money,high season ticket sales, stadium sellouts, corporate boxes being sold,higher level sponsorship..shall i go on? We could have borrowed a fair bit fo a decemt player or two but no Mr Lowe only sanctioned enough for players of the quality you mentioned and therefore we went backwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 17 August, 2008 Share Posted 17 August, 2008 We had all the trappings of Sky money,high season ticket sales, stadium sellouts, corporate boxes being sold,higher level sponsorship..shall i go on? We could have borrowed a fair bit fo a decemt player or two but no Mr Lowe only sanctioned enough for players of the quality you mentioned and therefore we went backwards. oh i see...do a leeds/leicester/bradford Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 17 August, 2008 Share Posted 17 August, 2008 they did perform. And we still lost, to a [by most accounts] very under par Birmingham team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 17 August, 2008 Share Posted 17 August, 2008 oh i see...do a leeds/leicester/bradford I think you no what i mean. A bit of debt in the premier league with money coming to all clubs and increasing year on year would be nothing compared to our highly mentioned large debt in the ccc with little money coming back in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildgoose Posted 17 August, 2008 Author Share Posted 17 August, 2008 And we still lost, to a [by most accounts] very under par Birmingham team. Just maybe, and according to those at the match, we caused Brum to underperform for much of the time..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowballs2 Posted 17 August, 2008 Share Posted 17 August, 2008 What mistakes are you talking about The mistake in kicking out Lowe in the first place. Or buying second rate players on high wages to please the fans. Lo9we, Wilde, and Crouch have ALL screwed us up big time. I don't propose to go through Lowes again, they are many and well documented on here already. You know those mistakes as well as I do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 17 August, 2008 Share Posted 17 August, 2008 I still need to know who started this Surman to Reading lie as they will have my daughter to answer to. I hope I don't have to start driving to Reading so she can watch him play. Then again I might just put my foot down. But then again I will have to ask the good wife to give me permission first to put my foot down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 17 August, 2008 Share Posted 17 August, 2008 I still need to know who started this Surman to Reading lie as they will have my daughter to answer to. I hope I don't have to start driving to Reading so she can watch him play. Then again I might just put my foot down. But then again I will have to ask the good wife to give me permission first to put my foot down. You'll get there quicker.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 17 August, 2008 Share Posted 17 August, 2008 You'll get there quicker.... Then again I would not be able to stop and tell my daughter how we built Stonehenge and used the lumps of rock as goals during our lunch hour and stop at Salisbury and try to talk Nick Holmes into a comeback. Bloody M5 AND M4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 17 August, 2008 Share Posted 17 August, 2008 Then again I would not be able to stop and tell my daughter how we built Stonehenge and used the lumps of rock as goals during our lunch hour and stop at Salisbury and try to talk Nick Holmes into a comeback. Bloody M5 AND M4. You could build these wondrous events into your scheduled 'pit stops'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintkiptanui Posted 17 August, 2008 Share Posted 17 August, 2008 For a third of the match, in one formation only.were you there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 17 August, 2008 Share Posted 17 August, 2008 Conversely every other business I have ever worked for that relies on customers for its income, when facing 'bad times', they try to attract more customers, and try to get the existing customers to 'visit' more often, and spend more money to increase revenue / turnover, thus affecting profits...... So can someone please explain to me why the ONLY option available to SFC is to slash its costs and hope for the best??? if you are going bust you lay staff off as soon as possible as they are your biggest costs, besides tell me how we get more fans back to the stadium? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 17 August, 2008 Share Posted 17 August, 2008 against probably the best team in the league after giving them a lesson in football in the first half, FFS FFS FFS last year we would of lost by 5 or 6. The usual broad sweeping statement that can have holes picked in it left right and centre. Last season we were the usual Jekyll and Hyde team, beating the best teams and losing against the poor ones. For example, We beat West Brom 3-2, Cardiff 1-0, Hull 4-0, Bristol City 2-0 and Sheffield United 3-2. Of those teams, Hull and West Brom were promoted and Sheffield Utd and Bristol City were very close to the top at the death. The season before, we beat Birmingham 4-3, Wolves 6-0 and West Brom couldn't beat us over either leg. So there are absolutely no grounds whatsoever for predicting that we would have been hammered by Birmingham last season with the team we had then, even if Birmingham were in the Fizzy Pop league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 17 August, 2008 Share Posted 17 August, 2008 if you are going bust you lay staff off as soon as possible as they are your biggest costs, besides tell me how we get more fans back to the stadium? Cheaper tickets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexstar Posted 17 August, 2008 Share Posted 17 August, 2008 Cheaper tickets? Hopefully that will happen with the well priced carling cup tickets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 17 August, 2008 Share Posted 17 August, 2008 Hopefully that will happen with the well priced carling cup tickets. That's just one game though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintkiptanui Posted 17 August, 2008 Share Posted 17 August, 2008 The usual broad sweeping statement that can have holes picked in it left right and centre. Last season we were the usual Jekyll and Hyde team, beating the best teams and losing against the poor ones. For example, We beat West Brom 3-2, Cardiff 1-0, Hull 4-0, Bristol City 2-0 and Sheffield United 3-2. Of those teams, Hull and West Brom were promoted and Sheffield Utd and Bristol City were very close to the top at the death. The season before, we beat Birmingham 4-3, Wolves 6-0 and West Brom couldn't beat us over either leg. So there are absolutely no grounds whatsoever for predicting that we would have been hammered by Birmingham last season with the team we had then, even if Birmingham were in the Fizzy Pop league.What a load of balls, I watched a lot of games last season and can't remember us playing well, certainly not in the 2nd half of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 17 August, 2008 Share Posted 17 August, 2008 Now I dislike Lowe with a passion and have no time for his quisling. However, only an idiot thinks administration is the way forward. This is true, but there are a few of these who post on here, as we all know! It is mildly amusing to see how rapidly some of them grasp at the most wild rumour to support their rather boring predictions of total disaster. Who will be first to jump off the Itchen Bridge if the rescue plan succeeds and the team have a good season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 17 August, 2008 Share Posted 17 August, 2008 If we're planning on using him at LB from now on, i'd rather we sold him - then we might actually get off our arses and sign a proper LB. He was awful V Birmingham. He is a midfielder, not a f*cking defender. He got outrun 9 times out of 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 17 August, 2008 Share Posted 17 August, 2008 If he is disaffected it'll be because he is never allowed to play in his preferred mid-field position. The guy is talented so why are we so determined to extinguish his talent by assigning him a role that he is neither suited to nor enjoys. If he leaves it will be the end of our dreams - think global act local? My RRrse! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 17 August, 2008 Share Posted 17 August, 2008 What a load of balls, I watched a lot of games last season and can't remember us playing well, certainly not in the 2nd half of the season. You're obviously suffering from selective memory loss subconsciously in an attempt by your brain to support your argument. Do you remember the match against Norwich, when we played similar football to yesterdays, all over them, scintillating stuff and they won 1-0. Nobody could believe we could play so well and get nothing. And both our matches against Bristol City and Sheffield Utd were very much at the tail end of the season. Presumably you didn't go to those two matches then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintkiptanui Posted 17 August, 2008 Share Posted 17 August, 2008 You're obviously suffering from selective memory loss subconsciously in an attempt by your brain to support your argument. Do you remember the match against Norwich, when we played similar football to yesterdays, all over them, scintillating stuff and they won 1-0. Nobody could believe we could play so well and get nothing. And both our matches against Bristol City and Sheffield Utd were very much at the tail end of the season. Presumably you didn't go to those two matches then.er yep I did, against sheff .utd it was a must win, wouldn't say we played great football just had more desire than the previous 45 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 17 August, 2008 Share Posted 17 August, 2008 And we still lost, to a [by most accounts] very under par Birmingham team. And of the course the fact that they were under par had nothing to do with us in any way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 17 August, 2008 Share Posted 17 August, 2008 You're obviously suffering from selective memory loss subconsciously in an attempt by your brain to support your argument. Do you remember the match against Norwich, when we played similar football to yesterdays, all over them, scintillating stuff and they won 1-0. Nobody could believe we could play so well and get nothing. And both our matches against Bristol City and Sheffield Utd were very much at the tail end of the season. Presumably you didn't go to those two matches then. So what you are saying is that a much more experienced team on much higher wages played as well as yesterday's young inexperienced team and lost by a similar margin, therefore we are heading for disaster this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 17 August, 2008 Share Posted 17 August, 2008 er yep I did, against sheff .utd it was a must win, wouldn't say we played great football just had more desire than the previous 45 games. Well, if I give you examples of where your argument is shot full of holes and you won't acknowledge it, then I'll just have to leave it to others to make up their own minds that you're talking rubbish, that is if they agree with my assessment that not all of the matches we played last season were crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintkiptanui Posted 17 August, 2008 Share Posted 17 August, 2008 Well, if I give you examples of where your argument is shot full of holes and you won't acknowledge it, then I'll just have to leave it to others to make up their own minds that you're talking rubbish, that is if they agree with my assessment that not all of the matches we played last season were crap.We played better yesterday in the 1st half than we did all last season, proper football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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