General Election 2019 - Post Match Reaction

[Weston Super Saint]

Gavin in his usual hubristic, insult throwing mode. This overestimation of the power of the EU presumably doesn't include their insistence that an independent Scotland wishing to join as a new member would have to join the Eurozone and Schengen, does it?

 

That's assuming they meet the joining criteria

[Weston Super Saint]

Surely not, when he just called someone else out for insult throwing? That would indicate quite a lack of self awareness.

 

What a load of pony

[Lord Duckhunter]

 

I guess it would be beyond the capabilities of the Lib Dems and Labour to sort out some sort of similar agreement?

 

Oh please, please, please make it happen. A General election based on the one issue The Tories want , and the main issue labour don’t. A grand coalition of remoaners including Labour will split the electorate straight down Leave/Remain lines, how can it not. Even a skilled political operator like Blair wouldn’t be able to sell the line that Brexit wasn’t the defining issue, whilst junking years and years of history to get into bed with others solely because of Brexit. These half wits like Abbot, Corbyn & Wrong-Daily will be floundering around like our defence against Leicester trying to square that circle. I can see the pitch now “ vote coalition to stop Brexit in Remain areas”. Then forget Brexit and vote labour for the NHS etc, in Leave areas. Genius.

 

If it happens, and I fear the Labour strategists aren’t as dopey as you, so it won’t, we’ll be in triple digit majority territory. If it’s a Brexit GE where labour stand down in certain seats to stop Brexit , they’re are dead in the water. It’s exactly the reason why Blair, Campbell and Mandleson didn’t want an election before a second referendum.

 

 

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[Batman]

I can't see anything but a pounding for Labour in a few weeks.

 

Looking at the far-left weirdo's on twitter and a few posts on here, Farage has them riled with his announcement today.

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[badgerx16]

well that's how its been and how it is. It could be said that how come 52% voted in favour of something but the 48% are thwarting the majority's desire. If you truly think the first past the post is wrong and its not fair, how do you think the majority ( im not one of them) feel as they are being stopped by people like yourself???

What do you mean "people like yourself" ? Go back through the Brexit thread and you will find a post, in reply to a point from Batman, in which I state that what should happen is that we leave, pure and simple. That was the result of a non-binding referendum, that both sides of the political divide said they would honour and implement. Obviously I would prefer that we didn't leave, but I am no way, shape, or form making any effort to thwart it. ( Mind you, I find the fury and spite from the leave side, under the current circumstances, quite amusing ).

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[norwaysaint]

What a load of pony

 

[ecuk268]

 

Indeed. There seems to be a strange obsession with horses among some of our members.

[Lord Duckhunter]

 

Looking at the far-left weirdo's on twitter and a few posts on here, Farage has them riled with his announcement today.

 

They should be riled. As I wrote earlier labour can’t get into an alliance with other Remainers, but he’s also given Boris a big boost.

 

Firstly, there’s the obvious. It makes holding certain seats easier.

 

Secondly, the line that his deal “isn’t Brexit” is gone. That was a potent line Nigel could have used in the campaign. It’s gone now. He wouldn’t stand down if it “wasn’t Brexit “.

 

Thirdly, Nigel the man without whom there wouldn’t be a Brexit, is backing his deal.

 

Fourthly, Nigel is accepting a vote for Brexit party could mean no Brexit. This could help the campaign to win Labour Leave marginals.

 

And finally, if any candidates want to step down in Leave areas held by labour to give The Tories a free run, I doubt Nigel will replace them. I’m sure they’ll come under pressure to do so and we’ll see a lot taking this option soon.

 

No doubt they’ll be a handful of seats like Hartlepool where The Tories Wong be campaigning too hard. Banksy’s app is coming out Friday, laying out clearly who leavers should vote for. Happy days.

 

 

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[Wes Tender]

Here's the Shadow Foreign Secretary having another absolute car crash interview on GMB.

 

 

When are we going to next see the shadow Home Secretary in action? I can't wait. I do hope that her interview will require her to have a mastery of her brief on something that involves recalling statistics.

[shurlock]

Here's the Shadow Foreign Secretary having another absolute car crash interview on GMB.

 

 

When are we going to next see the shadow Home Secretary in action? I can't wait. I do hope that her interview will require her to have a mastery of her brief on something that involves recalling statistics.

 

Hopefully we'll get to see Liz Truss, Matt Hancock, Jacob Rees Mogg and James Cleverly before then - a real group of high-fliers. Maybe even Boris trying to explain and failing to understand his own deal

[Tamesaint]

Hopefully we'll get to see Liz Truss, Matt Hancock, Jacob Rees Mogg and James Cleverly before then - a real group of high-fliers. Maybe even Boris trying to explain and failing to understand his own deal

 

You have missed out that brain box Pritti Patel.

Is Failing Grayling standing again?? How about David "Mr Lazy"Davis??

 

Has the Conservative party ever had so many inadequates in top positions??

[Jonnyboy]

Got to admit, Farage's unprincipled dishonesty is a blow to Labour and therefore to the country. Sad times.

[Lord Duckhunter]

Got to admit, Farage's unprincipled dishonesty is a blow to Labour and therefore to the country. Sad times.

 

Pony.

 

He’s put country before party.

 

The most influential politician outside of labour or Tory ranks for years & years. A well deserved honour is due or dare I say it, US ambassador. He should certainly be knighted just to trigger the snowflakes.

 

 

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[Jonnyboy]

Pony.

 

He’s put country before party.

 

The most influential politician outside of labour or Tory ranks for years & years. A well deserved honour is due or dare I say it, US ambassador. He should certainly be knighted just to trigger the snowflakes.

 

 

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That's all opinion. In my opinion Brexit plus Johnson equals poverty and decline for England.

[sadoldgit]

Pony.

 

He’s put country before party.

 

The most influential politician outside of labour or Tory ranks for years & years. A well deserved honour is due or dare I say it, US ambassador. He should certainly be knighted just to trigger the snowflakes.

 

 

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Knighted for standing for all that makes the country look small minded, insular and arrogant? Sounds about right.

[whelk]

Knighted for standing for all that makes the country look small minded, insular and arrogant? Sounds about right.

 

I wouldn’t bite. Cult members are blinded to any negatives of the guru.

[Wes Tender]

Got to admit, Farage's unprincipled dishonesty is a blow to Labour and therefore to the country. Sad times.

 

...a blow to Labour and therefore to the country? Labour have done plenty enough off their own bat to destroy their party's electability. It can be argued that a weak opposition is bad for democracy in the UK, but their weakness was caused by themselves and their lurch to the extreme left, not because of Farage's stance in the election.

[shurlock]

Now that Farage is standing down large numbers of candidates, does that mean he’ll have the time and energy to stand for MP (for the ninth time)? Or like the Brexiters on these threads, is he all talk and a bottle job?

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[Wes Tender]

I see that Yasmin Alibhai-Brown was on Sky News yesterday discussing Farage's Brexit Party dropping out of contesting Tory held seats. I thought that she had promised to leave the Country if Boris became Prime Minister. Is she a liar, or was she speaking from outside of the country?

[sadoldgit]

...a blow to Labour and therefore to the country? Labour have done plenty enough off their own bat to destroy their party's electability. It can be argued that a weak opposition is bad for democracy in the UK, but their weakness was caused by themselves and their lurch to the extreme left, not because of Farage's stance in the election.

 

Whereas the lurch to the right by your party is fine and dandy? Your lot are just the Brexit party/ UKIP with lipstick on.

[doddisalegend]

I see that Yasmin Alibhai-Brown was on Sky News yesterday discussing Farage's Brexit Party dropping out of contesting Tory held seats. I thought that she had promised to leave the Country if Boris became Prime Minister. Is she a liar, or was she speaking from outside of the country?

No she came back when she heard Boris was dead in a ditch...

 

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[doddisalegend]

So someone has allegedly launched a Cyber attack on the Labour party...

 

BREAKING Labour Party targeted in 'large-scale and sophisticated' cyber attack https://a.msn.com/r/2/BBWDDJi?m=en-gb&referrerID=InAppShare

 

MI5 trying to keep the reds out of office? the Russians making sure that their Brexit plans come to fruition? The CIA on trump's orders? Boris on his iPad? Someone at labour HQ watching porn on an unsafe site? Post your conspiracy theories here.

 

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[norwaysaint]

Whereas the lurch to the right by your party is fine and dandy? Your lot are just the Brexit party/ UKIP with lipstick on.

 

But you have to look at the facts. There is an interest in the population for politics further to the right. That's why the more right wing version of the conservative party is still, by a distance, the biggest individual party. They aren't losing that much support by doing it. There is, however, very little interest in the general population in a more left wing version of the labour party, which is why they ARE losing popularity. The liberals are able to take up some of the centre ground support both parties lose, but they are still going to have to fight to win a meaningful amount of seats. I think Corbyn and the move further left has thrown away a great chance for labour to get a victory. Boris and a move to the right, alondg with the dislike of Corbyn, has pretty much rescued the Conservatives at a time they could have been vulnerable.

 

I think a lot of the mistrust of Corbyn has been manufactured by the media, but it doesn't stop it being there.

 

You may not like it, but it seems to be the case. We'll see when the election comes, I guess.

[sadoldgit]

But you have to look at the facts. There is an interest in the population for politics further to the right. That's why the more right wing version of the conservative party is still, by a distance, the biggest individual party. They aren't losing that much support by doing it. There is, however, very little interest in the general population in a more left wing version of the labour party, which is why they ARE losing popularity. The liberals are able to take up some of the centre ground support both parties lose, but they are still going to have to fight to win a meaningful amount of seats. I think Corbyn and the move further left has thrown away a great chance for labour to get a victory. Boris and a move to the right, alondg with the dislike of Corbyn, has pretty much rescued the Conservatives at a time they could have been vulnerable.

 

I think a lot of the mistrust of Corbyn has been manufactured by the media, but it doesn't stop it being there.

 

You may not like it, but it seems to be the case. We'll see when the election comes, I guess.

 

Unfortunately you are probably right. I just hope that those in the middle who are usually apathetic and turned off by politics in general get off their backsides and vote. We are very good in this country of letting the gobby ones get their way while we just sit back and moan about them. The Tories have caused this country no end of misery over the last decade and we have a golden opportunity to do something about it. Sadly we have become a nation of turkeys voting for Christmas, as Brexit proved. I am not overly hopeful that we aren’t just going to sit back and watch the country get taken over by those of far right persuasion.

[OldNick]

So someone has allegedly launched a Cyber attack on the Labour party...

 

BREAKING Labour Party targeted in 'large-scale and sophisticated' cyber attack https://a.msn.com/r/2/BBWDDJi?m=en-gb&referrerID=InAppShare

 

MI5 trying to keep the reds out of office? the Russians making sure that their Brexit plans come to fruition? The CIA on trump's orders? Boris on his iPad? Someone at labour HQ watching porn on an unsafe site? Post your conspiracy theories here.

 

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I dont see why you would attack the system so far out from an election. I doubt it is as sinister as it seems

[OldNick]

Pony.

 

He’s put country before party.

 

The most influential politician outside of labour or Tory ranks for years & years. A well deserved honour is due or dare I say it, US ambassador. He should certainly be knighted just to trigger the snowflakes.

 

 

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Hes a disgraceful runt. It galls me that the Tories have to entertain dealing with him. Cameron was right UKIP were a bunch of fruitcakes but he was wrong to go for the referendum.

I wish that Labour had stayed more central and not lurched so far to the left. At least then I could not worry of them getting in.

[Tamesaint]

Hes a disgraceful runt. It galls me that the Tories have to entertain dealing with him. Cameron was right UKIP were a bunch of fruitcakes but he was wrong to go for the referendum.

I wish that Labour had stayed more central and not lurched so far to the left. At least then I could not worry of them getting in.

 

With someone like David Miliband in control of Labour we would now be in the third year of a Labour government. They would have cleaned up in 2017.

 

We may still have left the EU (if DM had been Labour leader in 2016 the referendum result would have been different) but the country would be in a better state than it is now.

 

I have never voted Labour but looking at the current state of the Tories I would readily welcome a Labour government under someone like David Miliband.

[Batman]

With someone like David Miliband in control of Labour we would now be in the third year of a Labour government. They would have cleaned up in 2017.

 

We may still have left the EU (if DM had been Labour leader in 2016 the referendum result would have been different) but the country would be in a better state than it is now.

 

I have never voted Labour but looking at the current state of the Tories I would readily welcome a Labour government under someone like David Miliband.

 

Any sensible down the middle labour heavyweight would have wiped with everyone the floor at the various elections.

 

However, we have Corbyn, McDonnell, Thornberry and Abbott as the oppositions big 4, and are still viewed far worse than the Tory front bench.

 

This Labour will be finished in a few weeks, in the interests of their own party and the country, they need to move back towards what made them successful 20 years ago!

[sadoldgit]

Blair? No thanks.

[doddisalegend]

I dont see why you would attack the system so far out from an election. I doubt it is as sinister as it seems

I would call any cyber attack whether it's in Labour HQ or Doris at number 64 sinster myself.

 

But yeah it could just be teenage hackers having a laugh or Russian criminals trying a bit of blackmail ( Jeremy 123 I have hacked your web cam, give me bitcoin, or I will email pictures of you ****ing over Brazilian fart porn to your contacts list)

 

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[Wes Tender]

Hes a disgraceful runt. It galls me that the Tories have to entertain dealing with him. Cameron was right UKIP were a bunch of fruitcakes but he was wrong to go for the referendum.

I wish that Labour had stayed more central and not lurched so far to the left. At least then I could not worry of them getting in.

 

The referendum was completely unavoidable. Cameron was forced to call it following UKIP's devastating vote in the EU elections. Had he not done so, it was a strong probability that he would not have achieved a majority in the election, as UKIP would have split the vote in much the same way that The Brexit Party would have in this election. Cameron was thus forced to promise the referendum. Had he not done so, then it is arguable that whatever situation Cameron's election produced would have resulted in a subsequent election where the imperative for a referendum grew to a fever pitch.

 

Regardless of all the worst efforts of the Remoaner establishment to thwart Brexit, it is clear that it was going to happen anyway at some stage. Despite throwing everything at it via project fear, the desire amongst the electorate had grown too strong and is now unstoppable. The genie is out of the bottle and cannot be put back.

[shurlock]

The referendum was completely unavoidable. Cameron was forced to call it following UKIP's devastating vote in the EU elections. Had he not done so, it was a strong probability that he would not have achieved a majority in the election, as UKIP would have split the vote in much the same way that The Brexit Party would have in this election. Cameron was thus forced to promise the referendum. Had he not done so, then it is arguable that whatever situation Cameron's election produced would have resulted in a subsequent election where the imperative for a referendum grew to a fever pitch.

 

Regardless of all the worst efforts of the Remoaner establishment to thwart Brexit, it is clear that it was going to happen anyway at some stage. Despite throwing everything at it via project fear, the desire amongst the electorate had grown too strong and is now unstoppable. The genie is out of the bottle and cannot be put back.

 

Yet you're running scared of a second referendum. Good one Les.

[Wes Tender]

Yet you're running scared of a second referendum. Good one Les.

 

*yawn*. Not that hoary old chestnut again, Gavin. Surely you're bright enough to recognise that plotting to hold another referendum on the EU before implementing the result of the previous one would destroy people's faith in the democratic process for good.

[aintforever]

The referendum was completely unavoidable. Cameron was forced to call it following UKIP's devastating vote in the EU elections. Had he not done so, it was a strong probability that he would not have achieved a majority in the election, as UKIP would have split the vote in much the same way that The Brexit Party would have in this election. Cameron was thus forced to promise the referendum. Had he not done so, then it is arguable that whatever situation Cameron's election produced would have resulted in a subsequent election where the imperative for a referendum grew to a fever pitch.

 

Regardless of all the worst efforts of the Remoaner establishment to thwart Brexit, it is clear that it was going to happen anyway at some stage. Despite throwing everything at it via project fear, the desire amongst the electorate had grown too strong and is now unstoppable. The genie is out of the bottle and cannot be put back.

 

If it all goes to sh!t after Brexit then I wouldn't be surprised if we are soon back in with a new government a few years down the line.

[shurlock]

*yawn*. Not that hoary old chestnut again, Gavin. Surely you're bright enough to recognise that plotting to hold another referendum on the EU before implementing the result of the previous one would destroy people's faith in the democratic process for good.

 

And statements like "the desire amongst the electorate had grown too strong and is now unstoppable" are utterly meaningless without holding a second referendum to establish whether this is in fact the case.

[shurlock]

If it all goes to sh!t after Brexit then I wouldn't be surprised if we are soon back in with a new government a few years down the line.

 

https://www.ft.com/content/5aebeb8e-fc07-11e9-a354-36acbbb0d9b6

[Lord Duckhunter]

If it all goes to sh!t after Brexit then I wouldn't be surprised if we are soon back in with a new government a few years down the line.

 

No chance unless The EU drops it’s insistence on new countries joining the Euro.

 

Also who is going to argue for it. All Remoaners do is try and frighten people with what’s outside , and lie about where it’s heading. Who is going to argue for Free movement, for ever closer union, for more QMV, for tax harmonisation, for an army, for more expansion. Nobody has ever argued for more EU they just try and pretend it’s a trade arrangement and that none of the integration ever applies to us. Once we’ve left the stuff we dislike is going to become more and more prevalent. The EU’s response to us leaving will be more of the stuff that made us leave, not less.

 

The reason the remoaners gave fought so hard to block us leaving is because they know once we do it’s game over, finito. There’s no chance we’re going back in.

 

 

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[Wes Tender]

And statements like "the desire amongst the electorate had grown too strong and is now unstoppable" are utterly meaningless without holding a second referendum to establish whether this is in fact the case.

 

Don't be ridiculous, Gavin. It's nothing of the sort. Best of three? Five?

[aintforever]

No chance unless The EU drops it’s insistence on new countries joining the Euro.

 

Also who is going to argue for it. All Remoaners do is try and frighten people with what’s outside , and lie about where it’s heading. Who is going to argue for Free movement, for ever closer union, for more QMV, for tax harmonisation, for an army, for more expansion. Nobody has ever argued for more EU they just try and pretend it’s a trade arrangement and that none of the integration ever applies to us. Once we’ve left the stuff we dislike is going to become more and more prevalent. The EU’s response to us leaving will be more of the stuff that made us leave, not less.

 

The reason the remoaners gave fought so hard to block us leaving is because they know once we do it’s game over, finito. There’s no chance we’re going back in.

 

 

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That all depends on how it goes. If people lose their jobs or are poorer then all the other cr@p you brexiteers cry about become an irrelevance.

[badgerx16]

For all those assuming the GE result is a foregone conclusion, think on. The last 3 significant polls of the British public resulted in;

1) Brexit, despite everything the establishment and Government told us

2) Teresa May losing her majority in a poll intended to validate her negotiating position with the EU

3) Boaty McBoatface.

[hypochondriac]

For all those assuming the GE result is a foregone conclusion, think on. The last 3 significant polls of the British public resulted in;

1) Brexit, despite everything the establishment and Government told us

2) Teresa May losing her majority in a poll intended to validate her negotiating position with the EU

3) Boaty McBoatface.

I agree it will be a close thing. I think the Tories may get a small majority now though with the Brexit party decision.

[Lord Duckhunter]

For all those assuming the GE result is a foregone conclusion, think on.

 

 

 

 

 

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[badgerx16]

 

 

 

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Levity is wasted on you, isn't it.

[CB Fry]

It's a foregone conclusion.

 

Boris will win, the SNP will win.

 

Lib Dems will not make the breakthrough they want because their old south west heartland is far too Brexit-y. But they will take some. Labour will drop back, Brexit party won't win anything. Maybe one seat. Not enough to mean anything because Boris will have a perfectly workable majority.

 

And then he can fu cking own every decision for the next five years.

 

Boris McBorisface.

[Lord Duckhunter]

It's a foregone conclusion.

 

Boris will win, the SNP will win.

 

Lib Dems will not make the breakthrough they want because their old south west heartland is far too Brexit-y. But they will take some. Labour will drop back, Brexit party won't win anything. Maybe one seat. Not enough to mean anything because Boris will have a perfectly workable majority.

 

Sounds perfect.

 

The only thing missing from your crystal ball is remoaners regret. They’ll be plenty of them regretting not going for Theresa’s turd, and that close alignment to The EU. They had the chance of a remainers “Brexit”, and blew it.

 

 

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[CB Fry]

Sounds perfect.

 

The only thing missing from your crystal ball is remoaners regret. They’ll be plenty of them regretting not going for Theresa’s turd, and that close alignment to The EU. They had the chance of a remainers “Brexit”, and blew it.

 

 

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Absolutely no idea what angle you're coming from there.

 

All the pinkos you hate (Gauke and Hammond) did vote for it, . Beyond that, the idea that any Labour or SNP MP would regret not voting for any deal that core Tory MPs refused to back is pretty fanciful. What are they supposed to regret?

 

As I put but you interestingly didn't quote, Boris can 100% own it, from Friday 13th onwards.

[Jonnyboy]

...a blow to Labour and therefore to the country? Labour have done plenty enough off their own bat to destroy their party's electability. It can be argued that a weak opposition is bad for democracy in the UK, but their weakness was caused by themselves and their lurch to the extreme left, not because of Farage's stance in the election.

 

Weakness? Corbyn has defeated the Tories in parliament more times than any other opposition leader in history!

[CB Fry]

Weakness? Corbyn has defeated the Tories in parliament more times than any other opposition leader in history!

Jesus wept.

[sadoldgit]

Just watched Johnson’s very bizarre party political broadcast. As usual, we had the tag line Get Brexit Done (which apparently can be done in the microwave) and Unleash Britain’s Potential.

According to a statistical report on the BBC the other day 8 out of 10 Brits work in the service industry. Less than 1 in 10 work in manufacturing. So can we expect our post EU economical revival to be carried on the back of baristas, civil servants, nurses etc?

[Lord Duckhunter]

Absolutely no idea what angle you're coming from there.

 

All the pinkos you hate (Gauke and Hammond) did vote for it, . Beyond that, the idea that any Labour or SNP MP would regret not voting for any deal that core Tory MPs refused to back is pretty fanciful. What are they supposed to regret?

 

As I put but you interestingly didn't quote, Boris can 100% own it, from Friday 13th onwards.

 

If you’d offered remainers Theresa’s turd the day after the referendum, they’d have snapped your hand off. It was pretty much the close alignment labour claimed they wanted. My big fear was that this sort of deal would have been sold to the public as Brexit, with people opposing it portrayed as extremists & loons (as Bill Cash etc were during Maastricht). Once the Remain extremists wouldn’t accept any Brexit it came down to a straight choice. FTA or no Brexit. If you offered most Remainers FTA or Theresa’s turd, they’d be no contest. Unless there’s a miracle, it’ll be FTA, with ERG holding Boris’ feet to the fire.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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