Sheaf Saint Posted 20 December, 2019 Share Posted 20 December, 2019 Remind me again, what is one the Brexiteers' favourite criticisms of the EU? Something about unelected bureaucrats? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 22 December, 2019 Share Posted 22 December, 2019 Remind me again, what is one the Brexiteers' favourite criticisms of the EU? Something about unelected bureaucrats? Listening to the radio the other day, during various news articles over the day; one on the queens speech, one on infrastructure, one on reorganising the civil service and one on education, Dominic Cummings views on each were talked about. Who exactly is running the country? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 23 December, 2019 Share Posted 23 December, 2019 Listening to the radio the other day, during various news articles over the day; one on the queens speech, one on infrastructure, one on reorganising the civil service and one on education, Dominic Cummings views on each were talked about. Who exactly is running the country? Is it the Government? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 23 December, 2019 Share Posted 23 December, 2019 Listening to the radio the other day, during various news articles over the day; one on the queens speech, one on infrastructure, one on reorganising the civil service and one on education, Dominic Cummings views on each were talked about. Who exactly is running the country? Ken Clarke seems to think it is Dom. How many votes did he get again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 23 December, 2019 Share Posted 23 December, 2019 He got the exactly same number of votes as Alastair Campbell did when Blair was PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 23 December, 2019 Share Posted 23 December, 2019 This woman is grotesque Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 23 December, 2019 Share Posted 23 December, 2019 This woman is grotesque A hideous woman and a liar considering she said she would leave the country with Boris as PM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 23 December, 2019 Share Posted 23 December, 2019 He got the exactly same number of votes as Alastair Campbell did when Blair was PM Wonderful, but we aren’t talking about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 23 December, 2019 Share Posted 23 December, 2019 Wonderful, but we aren’t talking about that.Advisors are allowed to advise just as previous advisors have held prominent positions in governments. You can't tell me that if Corbyn had won that the likes of Seamus Milne and Karie Murphy wouldn't have done similar. You're just bitter because Dominic has absolutely smashed it and been proven right for this election. #classicdom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 23 December, 2019 Share Posted 23 December, 2019 A hideous woman and a liar considering she said she would leave the country with Boris as PM. I'm glad that she stayed and she should be given as much media air time as she wants. She's great entertainment value and every time she opens her mouth, she reminds everybody that she and those lefties like her do not respect democracy and thank God that the Marxist didn't get elected. I just love seeing her sour little face, incandescent with rage that the electorate have given a thumping majority to a party and leader that she despises. I don't know which country she would go to to satisfy her particular brand of leftism, where she could enjoy as good a lifestyle and receive such freedom of speech from those prepared to give her views a platform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 23 December, 2019 Share Posted 23 December, 2019 Campbell was Blair’s spin doctor. With Cummings we are talking about a de facto PM as Johnson doesn’t appear to have any idea about what he is doing other than getting Brexit done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 23 December, 2019 Share Posted 23 December, 2019 Campbell was Blair’s spin doctor. With Cummings we are talking about a de facto PM as Johnson doesn’t appear to have any idea about what he is doing other than getting Brexit done. That is a pathetic argument. Cummins, Campbell, Mandelson etc etc there are always those in the background pulling strings to a degree, not forgetting the mandarins in the civil service Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 23 December, 2019 Share Posted 23 December, 2019 This woman is grotesque There's grotesque people on both side eh Batman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 23 December, 2019 Share Posted 23 December, 2019 (edited) Campbell was Blair’s spin doctor. With Cummings we are talking about a de facto PM as Johnson doesn’t appear to have any idea about what he is doing other than getting Brexit done.You have no evidence for that at all it's just your bias talking. You have no idea that the role Cummins is playing is substantially different from previous advisors or if it would have differed from Milne under Corbyn. It would almost certainly have been worse seeing as Corbyn is clearly not a bright bloke- his ex wife saying he had never read a book etc. He's also clearly quite a passive man, certainly compared to Boris who may have his faults but is hardly a shrinking violet. Edited 23 December, 2019 by hypochondriac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 23 December, 2019 Share Posted 23 December, 2019 That is a pathetic argument. Cummins, Campbell, Mandelson etc etc there are always those in the background pulling strings to a degree, not forgetting the mandarins in the civil service It depends just how much string pulling is going on, or needed. Given Johnson’s lack of scruples or commitment to anything other than his career, I would imagine that there will be an awful lot of string pulling required with Johnson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 23 December, 2019 Share Posted 23 December, 2019 It depends just how much string pulling is going on, or needed. Given Johnson’s lack of scruples or commitment to anything other than his career, I would imagine that there will be an awful lot of string pulling required with Johnson. well done for not actually making any point at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 23 December, 2019 Share Posted 23 December, 2019 well done for not actually making any point at all. Yet again I did, but like most things, it went over your head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 23 December, 2019 Share Posted 23 December, 2019 (edited) Yet again I did, but like most things, it went over your head. You are just making utterly biased rants. The election is over. Move on Edited 23 December, 2019 by Batman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 23 December, 2019 Share Posted 23 December, 2019 It depends just how much string pulling is going on, or needed. Given Johnson’s lack of scruples or commitment to anything other than his career, I would imagine that there will be an awful lot of string pulling required with Johnson.You can imagine whatever you like. Doesn't make any of it true outside your own head though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 29 December, 2019 Share Posted 29 December, 2019 Britain First leader officially joins Conservative Party: 'Boris Johnson is like us' Britain First says 5,000 of its members have joined Tories But the experts told us that Johnson’s DT article was no more than an impassioned defense of the burqa in a liberal democracy and we were ignoring the wider context https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/paul-golding-conservatives-britain-first-boris-johnson-muslim-women-letterboxes-a9254061.html https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/28/britain-first-far-right-members-5000-have-joined-tories Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 29 December, 2019 Share Posted 29 December, 2019 Will we seem the same kind of exposure given to Tory Islamophobia by the Mail, Express and Sun as they gave to Labour and anti-Semitism? Will they make as much fuss as the lurch to the right by the Tories as they did the lurch to the left by Labour? There has been a huge outcry about democracy since Brexit but how is it served with such a bias in the mainstream media? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 29 December, 2019 Share Posted 29 December, 2019 But the experts told us that Johnson’s DT article was no more than an impassioned defense of the burqa in a liberal democracy and we were ignoring the wider context https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/paul-golding-conservatives-britain-first-boris-johnson-muslim-women-letterboxes-a9254061.html https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/28/britain-first-far-right-members-5000-have-joined-tories Oh look, articles from the Guardian and the Not Independent trying to stir the pot. Is that the best that you and they can do? Must be the slow news days, now that the Tories have a stonking majority. Is this the only way that they can metaphorically stamp their feet and throw their toys out of the pram, now that their total impotence to change the political landscape is beginning to penetrate their skulls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 29 December, 2019 Share Posted 29 December, 2019 Will we seem the same kind of exposure given to Tory Islamophobia by the Mail, Express and Sun as they gave to Labour and anti-Semitism? Will they make as much fuss as the lurch to the right by the Tories as they did the lurch to the left by Labour? There has been a huge outcry about democracy since Brexit but how is it served with such a bias in the mainstream media? The huge outcry about democracy was because the establishment elite were attempting to overturn the referendum decision. Now that they have failed comprehensively to achieve that, the arguments against Brexit being implemented are just p*ssing in the wind. This lurch to the right of the Tory Party is purely a figment of your febrile imagination, Soggy. It might appear to you that if one Party lurches to the left, then the other main party must have lurched to the right, but that is only by comparison between the two. But then again, you've never been capable of understanding that people do not suddenly become small minded racist bigots just because they voted to leave the EU, so that probably explains why you believe that the Tories have become more right wing. They haven't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 29 December, 2019 Share Posted 29 December, 2019 (edited) Oh look, articles from the Guardian and the Not Independent trying to stir the pot. Is that the best that you and they can do? Must be the slow news days, now that the Tories have a stonking majority. Is this the only way that they can metaphorically stamp their feet and throw their toys out of the pram, now that their total impotence to change the political landscape is beginning to penetrate their skulls. You seem a tad touchy pal (your little nervous tic is a dead giveaway). Needless to say you’re missing the point. I also respectfully suggest that you’re not the best person to comment on peoples respective political centres of gravity given your antisemitic form on these threads and preference for sources like politicalite. Edited 29 December, 2019 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 29 December, 2019 Share Posted 29 December, 2019 You seem a tad touchy pal (your little nervous tic is a dead giveaway). Needless to say you’re missing the point. I also respectfully suggest that you’re not the best person to comment on peoples respective political centres of gravity given your antisemitic form on these threads and preference for sources like politicalite. What nervous tic? As I keep on having to tell you, Gavyn, I'm perfectly happy with everything since the glorious 12th. I'm just really enjoying the discomfort of the likes of you and Soggy having your little bleats about how unfair it all is. What really gets your goat, is that the political compass of people like me is far more closely aligned to that of the majority of the electorate than yours is, therefore if you don't mind, I'll ignore the usual arrogance of your little suggestion, Gavyn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashnats Posted 29 December, 2019 Share Posted 29 December, 2019 The huge outcry about democracy was because the establishment elite were attempting to overturn the referendum decision. Now that they have failed comprehensively to achieve that, the arguments against Brexit being implemented are just p*ssing in the wind. This lurch to the right of the Tory Party is purely a figment of your febrile imagination, Soggy. It might appear to you that if one Party lurches to the left, then the other main party must have lurched to the right, but that is only by comparison between the two. But then again, you've never been capable of understanding that people do not suddenly become small minded racist bigots just because they voted to leave the EU, so that probably explains why you believe that the Tories have become more right wing. They haven't. Priti Patel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 29 December, 2019 Share Posted 29 December, 2019 (edited) What nervous tic? As I keep on having to tell you, Gavyn, I'm perfectly happy with everything since the glorious 12th. I'm just really enjoying the discomfort of the likes of you and Soggy having your little bleats about how unfair it all is. What really gets your goat, is that the political compass of people like me is far more closely aligned to that of the majority of the electorate than yours is, therefore if you don't mind, I'll ignore the usual arrogance of your little suggestion, Gavyn. So you’re comfortable with -or embarrassed by- Britain First supporters feeling at home in the current Conservative Party (which is an objective fact and the original point that your irrelevant little digression has been trying to distract from)? Let me know which in your own time pal. Edited 29 December, 2019 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 29 December, 2019 Share Posted 29 December, 2019 What nervous tic? As I keep on having to tell you, Gavyn, I'm perfectly happy with everything since the glorious 12th. I'm just really enjoying the discomfort of the likes of you and Soggy having your little bleats about how unfair it all is. What really gets your goat, is that the political compass of people like me is far more closely aligned to that of the majority of the electorate than yours is, therefore if you don't mind, I'll ignore the usual arrogance of your little suggestion, Gavyn. And yet the majority of the electorate voted against your moral compass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 29 December, 2019 Share Posted 29 December, 2019 (edited) And yet the majority of the electorate voted against your moral compass.Would you be making this same argument about numbers of people if Labour were in the Tory position? Edited 30 December, 2019 by hypochondriac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 30 December, 2019 Share Posted 30 December, 2019 Would you be making this same argument about mapubts of people if Labour were in the Tory position? Beg your pardon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 30 December, 2019 Share Posted 30 December, 2019 Are people like Boris Johnson and Jacob Rees Mogg not part of the establishment elite? I would have thought they were the definition of it. Can someone tell me what exactly it is if it's not the super wealthy old school tie crowd who have been part of the establishment for years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 30 December, 2019 Share Posted 30 December, 2019 Are people like Boris Johnson and Jacob Rees Mogg not part of the establishment elite? I would have thought they were the definition of it. Can someone tell me what exactly it is if it's not the super wealthy old school tie crowd who have been part of the establishment for years? What a load of old pony. The establishment is now the metropolitan liberal elite. The old school tie pony is so last century. Did New Labour pass you by? #draintheswamp Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 30 December, 2019 Share Posted 30 December, 2019 So you’re comfortable with -or embarrassed by- Britain First supporters feeling at home in the current Conservative Party (which is an objective fact and the original point that your irrelevant little digression has been trying to distract from)? Let me know which in your own time pal. As the articles said, and you attempt to ignore, supporters of extremist parties will not be welcome in the Conservative Party. What a pity the same doesn't apply to the Labour Party and those who have joined it from the extreme left. It obviously went right over your head that my attitude towards the stories was to try to stifle a yawn towards them and to suggest that it must have been a slow news day for the lefty press to bother with it. They are non-stories. Unsavoury people latch on to all sorts of political organisations. Isn't it shocking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 30 December, 2019 Share Posted 30 December, 2019 And yet the majority of the electorate voted against your moral compass. Which party did you vote for, Soggy? Does it not occur to you that far fewer people voted for them and what they stood for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 30 December, 2019 Share Posted 30 December, 2019 So you’re comfortable with -or embarrassed by- Britain First supporters feeling at home in the current Conservative Party (which is an objective fact and the original point that your irrelevant little digression has been trying to distract from)? Let me know which in your own time pal.As the article says, it's an attempt to highjack the conservatives on the same way Momentum have highjacked Labour. It will be concerning if they succeed in getting control of party mechanisms and influencing policy but its going to be futile isn't it and they've already said they reserve the right to cancel memberships where extremists have slipped through the cracks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 30 December, 2019 Share Posted 30 December, 2019 Priti Patel.A first generation immigrant female with East African heritage, getting a good education and becoming a prominent member of the government. What great proof that you can achieve something in this country regardless of race or skin colour or where your family are from. Let's not also forget that she had prominent roles under Cameron so she is hardly an example of a sudden lurch to an "extremist right" like the left like to claim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 30 December, 2019 Share Posted 30 December, 2019 Which party did you vote for, Soggy? Does it not occur to you that far fewer people voted for them and what they stood for. The point is the majority of the country did not vote Conservative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 30 December, 2019 Share Posted 30 December, 2019 The point is the majority of the country did not vote Conservative. 1 month to go.........getting brexit done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 30 December, 2019 Share Posted 30 December, 2019 The point is the majority of the country did not vote Conservative. Get over it. Your lot, whoever it was, lost. Stop whining like a little baby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 30 December, 2019 Share Posted 30 December, 2019 The point is the majority of the country did not vote Conservative. The point is also that the majority of the country have never voted for the government that formed after an election. But hey, those are the rules that we have in place. If people like you had bothered to notice the referendum that was held, the voting system could have been changed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 30 December, 2019 Share Posted 30 December, 2019 The point is also that the majority of the country have never voted for the government that formed after an election. But hey, those are the rules that we have in place. If people like you had bothered to notice the referendum that was held, the voting system could have been changed It was a very watered down and weak version of PR and not what we needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 30 December, 2019 Share Posted 30 December, 2019 Get over it. Your lot, whoever it was, lost. Stop whining like a little baby. To be fair, he's just stating a fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 30 December, 2019 Share Posted 30 December, 2019 Areas of the country vote to send someone to Parliament to represent them. The majority of areas wanted to be represented by Tories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 31 December, 2019 Author Share Posted 31 December, 2019 So one of the first acts of the new government is a stonking increase in the minimum wage - a grand a year or so pro-rata. A lovely little social democratic move to build on a New Labour policy of old. Instant rebuttal against anyone saying the Tories don't support the poorest. And targeted against those who work. Very strong, One Nation Toryism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 31 December, 2019 Share Posted 31 December, 2019 So one of the first acts of the new government is a stonking increase in the minimum wage - a grand a year or so pro-rata. A lovely little social democratic move to build on a New Labour policy of old. Instant rebuttal against anyone saying the Tories don't support the poorest. And targeted against those who work. Very strong, One Nation Toryism. It’s good to see the Tories carry on a good Labour policy, especially considering they voted against the minimum wage when Labour introduced it, say it would cost 2 million jobs. Hopefully it will keep rising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 1 January, 2020 Share Posted 1 January, 2020 John Smith on Rail Privatisation: "Tories think the only thing that can possibly motivate people is greed, and if not greed, then fear. The concept of pride in public service for its own sake is utterly beyond their understanding. But we know there is a different set of values" Still stands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 9 January, 2020 Share Posted 9 January, 2020 John Smith on Rail Privatisation: "Tories think the only thing that can possibly motivate people is greed, and if not greed, then fear. The concept of pride in public service for its own sake is utterly beyond their understanding. But we know there is a different set of values" Still standsThat is a broad brush to say all tories. IMO my experience of the nationalised industries years ago was that the workers didn't have much pride in public services. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 26 January, 2020 Share Posted 26 January, 2020 You reap what you sow; https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/jan/25/former-red-wall-areas-could-lose-millions-in-council-funding-review https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/red-wall-seats-could-lose-300m-social-care-cash-to-tory-shires-h5s6kfxz5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 29 January, 2020 Share Posted 29 January, 2020 The Tories are pinching Corbyn’s policies. Nationalising a railway franchise. Bloody pinkos! Whatever next? Duckie will have a seizure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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