General Election 2019 - Post Match Reaction

[Tamesaint]

Hung parliament would be ideal - paradoxically if the Tories are going to win, I wouldn’t totally despair if it’s by a crushing majority. One school of thought is that Johnson’s going to sell out the ERG and swivels like Les, LD and other Brexit Party entryists in order to get a deal done by December 2020 -in the process satisfying many of the EU’s demands- and that will be easier to do without a small minority with the numbers to put a gun to his head and bring him down.

 

My view exactly. If Johnson gets a big majority watch the catfight in the Tory party.

Edited 10 December, 2019 by Tamesaint

[aintforever]

I live in Eastleigh voting labour isn't really an option and would be a waste of a vote under FPtP even if I did want to vote for them which I don't.

 

I don't want that total arse **** of a **** that is Boris in charge of this country either a more morally bankrupt, lying, coward of a public school boy would be hard to find.

 

Best result for me is another hung parliament until one of the parties can get it's act together and produce a credible leader with policies I can get behind so I'm voting tactically for Lib Dems as the best way to stuck to the current tory ****s..

 

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This is pretty much how I feel.

 

A hard Brexit under Boris or a Labour majority would probably be equally as damaging to the economy, hopefully it will end up with some sort of coalition.

 

If there is a large Tory majority you would have to question the moral compass of the British public IMO.

[sadoldgit]

It’s not just money with the NHS; it’s the constant political interference and reorganisation. Senior management may be the visible face of that change and it’s attendant cockups but they are simply attempting to carry out the ambiguous instructions of their political masters.

 

Which, to an extent, what what was going on with the Criminal Justice System when I was with the CPS. Once or twice a year for the last few years in posts we were told to get rid of x number of staff or close y numbers of offices. Once Probation was hived off there were strong rumours that the CPS would be next. Don’t be surprised to see that happen if Johnson gets a working majority.

[LGTL]

I live in Eastleigh voting labour isn't really an option and would be a waste of a vote under FPtP even if I did want to vote for them which I don't.

 

I don't want that total arse **** of a **** that is Boris in charge of this country either a more morally bankrupt, lying, coward of a public school boy would be hard to find.

 

Best result for me is another hung parliament until one of the parties can get it's act together and produce a credible leader with policies I can get behind so I'm voting tactically for Lib Dems as the best way to stuck to the current tory ****s..

 

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Exactly my position if you substitute Eastleigh for New Forest East. Although any vote other then Tory here is totally pointless.

[sadoldgit]

The Coalition for Reform in Political Advertising is saying that 31 campaigns are “indecent, dishonest or untruthful.”

88% (5952) of Tory ads have breached their code. Only 1 from Labour apparently. People keep kicking off about democracy but what price democracy when a party spouts a stream of bull**** which is swallowed whole by a large % of the electorate and is allowed to get away with it?

[Tamesaint]

The Coalition for Reform in Political Advertising is saying that 31 campaigns are “indecent, dishonest or untruthful.”

88% (5952) of Tory ads have breached their code. Only 1 from Labour apparently. People keep kicking off about democracy but what price democracy when a party spouts a stream of bull**** which is swallowed whole by a large % of the electorate and is allowed to get away with it?

 

Calling Batman to the forum for his usual comment about both sides lying.

[mickn]

This sums my position up too. Anything to stop a Tory majority.

 

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Mine too.

[Wes Tender]

My view exactly. If Johnson gets a big majority watch the catfight in the Tory party.

 

You and Gavyn seeking comfort in future hypothetical outcomes. Both of you reduced to clutching at straws.

 

What's going to happen to the Labour Party under the same circumstances?

[Johnny Bognor]

EDIT

[Johnny Bognor]

I'm still a bit undecided about my vote direction this coming Thursday.

 

I've obviously taken into consideration what I consider to be the following swaying points on the two main parties.

 

On the one hand the Conservative Boris Johnson is a bit of a rascal with the ladies and can sometimes bend the truth a bit, he’s also a bit posh.

 

And on the other hand..

 

Labours Jeremy Corbyn…

 

• Invited two IRA members to parliament two weeks after the Brighton bombing.
  
• Attended Bloody Sunday commemoration with bomber Brendan McKenna.
  
• Attended meeting with Provisional IRA member Raymond McCartney.
  
• Hosted IRA linked Mitchell McLaughlin in parliament.
  
• Spoke alongside IRA terrorist Martina Anderson.
  
• Attended Sinn Fein dinner with IRA bomber Gerry Kelly.
  
• Chaired Irish republican event with IRA bomber Brendan MacFarlane.
  
• Attended Bobby Sands commemoration honouring IRA terrorists.
  
• Stood in minute’s silence for IRA gunmen shot dead by the SAS.
  
• Refused to condemn the IRA in Sky News interview.
  
• Refused to condemn the IRA on Question Time.
  
• Refused to condemn IRA violence in BBC radio interview.
  
• Signed EDM after IRA Poppy massacre massacre blaming Britain for the deaths.
  
• Arrested while protesting in support of Brighton bomber’s co-defendants.
  
• Lobbied government to improve visiting conditions for IRA killers.
  
• Attended Irish republican event calling for armed conflict against Britain.
  
• Hired suspected IRA man Ronan Bennett as a parliamentary assistant.
  
• Hired another aide closely linked to several convicted IRA terrorists.
  
• Heavily involved with IRA sympathising newspaper London Labour Briefing.
  
• Put up £20,000 bail money for IRA terror suspect Roisin McAliskey.
  
• Didn’t support IRA ceasefire.
  
• Said Hamas and Hezbollah are his “friends“.
  
• Called for Hamas to be removed from terror banned list.
  
• Called Hamas “serious and hard-working“.
  
• Attended wreath-laying at grave of Munich massacre terrorist.
  
• Attended conference with Hamas and PFLP.
  
• Photographed smiling with Hezbollah flag.
  
• Attended rally with Hezbollah and Al-Muhajiroun.
  
• Repeatedly shared platforms with PFLP plane hijacker.
  
• Hired aide who praised Hamas’ “spirit of resistance“.
  
• Accepted £20,000 for state TV channel of terror-sponsoring Iranian regime.
  
• Opposed banning Britons from travelling to Syria to fight for ISIS.
  
• Defended rights of fighters returning from Syria.
  
• Said ISIS supporters should not be prosecuted.
  
• Compared fighters returning from Syria to Nelson Mandela.
  
• Said the death of Osama Bin Laden was a “tragedy“.
  
• Wouldn’t sanction drone strike to kill ISIS leader.
  
• Voted to allow ISIS fighters to return from Syria.
  
• Opposed shoot to kill.
  
• Attended event organised by terrorist sympathising IHRC.
  
• Signed letter defending Lockerbie bombing suspects.
  
• Wrote letter in support of conman accused of fundraising for ISIS.
  
• Spoke of “friendship” with Mo Kozbar, who called for destruction of Israel.
  
• Attended event with Abdullah Djaballah, who called for holy war against UK.
  
• Called drone strikes against terrorists “obscene”.
  
• Boasted about “opposing anti-terror legislation”.
  
• Said laws banning jihadis from returning to Britain are “strange”.
  
• Accepted £5,000 donation from terror supporter Ted Honderich.
  
• Accepted £2,800 trip to Gaza from banned Islamist organisation Interpal.
  
• Called Ibrahim Hewitt, extremist and chair of Interpal, a “very good friend”.
  
• Accepted two more trips from the pro-Hamas group PRC.
  
• Speaker at conference hosted by pro-Hamas group MEMO.
  
• Met Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh several times.
  
• Hosted meeting with Mousa Abu Maria of banned group Islamic Jihad.
  
• Patron of Palestine Solidarity Campaign – marches attended by Hezbollah.
  
• Compared Israel to ISIS, Hamas, Hezbollah and al-Qaeda.
  
• Said we should not make “value judgements” about Britons who fight for ISIS.
  
• Received endorsement from Hamas.
  
• Attended event with Islamic extremist Suliman Gani.
  
• Chaired Stop the War, who praised “internationalism and solidarity” of ISIS.
  
• Praised Raed Salah, who was jailed for inciting violence in Israel.
  
• Signed letter defending jihadist advocacy group Cage.
  
• Met Dyab Jahjah, who praised the killing of British soldiers.
  
• Shared platform with representative of extremist cleric Muqtada al-Sadr.
  
• Compared ISIS to US military in interview on Russia Today.
  
• Opposed proscription of Hizb ut-Tahrir.
  
• Attended conference which called on Iraqis to kill British soldiers.
  
• Attended Al-Quds Day demonstration in support of destruction of Israel.
  
• Supported Hamas and ISIS-linked Viva Palestina group.
  
• Attended protest with Islamic extremist Moazzam Begg.
  
• Made the “case for Iran” at event hosted by Khomeinist group.
  
• Photographed smiling with Azzam Tamimi, who backed suicide bombings.
  
• Photographed with Abdel Atwan, who sympathised with attacks on US troops.
  
• Said Hamas should “have tea with the Queen”.
  
• Attended ‘Meet the Resistance’ event with Hezbollah MP Hussein El Haj.
  
• Attended event with Haifa Zangana, who praised Palestinian “mujahideen”.
  
• Defended the infamous anti-Semitic Hamas supporter Stephen Sizer.
  
• Attended event with pro-Hamas and Hezbollah group Naturei Karta.
  
• Backed Holocaust denying anti-Zionist extremist Paul Eisen.
  
• Photographed with Abdul Raoof Al Shayeb, later jailed for terror offences.
  
• Mocked “anti-terror hysteria” while opposing powers for security services.
  
• Named on speakers list for conference with Hamas sympathiser Ismail Patel.
  
• Criticised drone strike that killed Jihadi John.
  
• Said the 7/7 bombers had been denied “hope and opportunity”.
  
• Said 9/11 was “manipulated” to make it look like bin Laden was responsible.
  
• Failed to unequivocally condemn the 9/11 attacks.
  
• Called Columbian terror group M-19 “comrades”.
  
• Blamed beheading of Alan Henning on Britain.
  
• Gave speech in support of Gaddafi regime.
  
• Signed EDM spinning for Slobodan Milosevic.
  
• Blamed Tunisia terror attack on “austerity”.
  
• Voted against banning support for the IRA.
  
• Voted against the Prevention of Terrorism Act three times during the Troubles.
  
• Voted against emergency counter-terror laws after 9/11.
  
• Voted against stricter punishments for being a member of a terror group.
  
• Voted against criminalising the encouragement of terrorism.
  
• Voted against banning al-Qaeda.
  
• Voted against outlawing the glorification of terror.
  
• Voted against control orders.
  
• Voted against increased funding for the security services to combat terrorism.
  

 

So it’s a tricky one really

[Saint86]

I'm still a bit undecided about my vote direction this coming Thursday.

 

I've obviously taken into consideration what I consider to be the following swaying points on the two main parties.

 

On the one hand the Conservative Boris Johnson is a bit of a rascal with the ladies and can sometimes bend the truth a bit, he’s also a bit posh.

 

And on the other hand..

 

Labours Jeremy Corbyn…

 

• Invited two IRA members to parliament two weeks after the Brighton bombing.
  
• Attended Bloody Sunday commemoration with bomber Brendan McKenna.
  
• Attended meeting with Provisional IRA member Raymond McCartney.
  
• Hosted IRA linked Mitchell McLaughlin in parliament.
  
• Spoke alongside IRA terrorist Martina Anderson.
  
• Attended Sinn Fein dinner with IRA bomber Gerry Kelly.
  
• Chaired Irish republican event with IRA bomber Brendan MacFarlane.
  
• Attended Bobby Sands commemoration honouring IRA terrorists.
  
• Stood in minute’s silence for IRA gunmen shot dead by the SAS.
  
• Refused to condemn the IRA in Sky News interview.
  
• Refused to condemn the IRA on Question Time.
  
• Refused to condemn IRA violence in BBC radio interview.
  
• Signed EDM after IRA Poppy massacre massacre blaming Britain for the deaths.
  
• Arrested while protesting in support of Brighton bomber’s co-defendants.
  
• Lobbied government to improve visiting conditions for IRA killers.
  
• Attended Irish republican event calling for armed conflict against Britain.
  
• Hired suspected IRA man Ronan Bennett as a parliamentary assistant.
  
• Hired another aide closely linked to several convicted IRA terrorists.
  
• Heavily involved with IRA sympathising newspaper London Labour Briefing.
  
• Put up £20,000 bail money for IRA terror suspect Roisin McAliskey.
  
• Didn’t support IRA ceasefire.
  
• Said Hamas and Hezbollah are his “friends“.
  
• Called for Hamas to be removed from terror banned list.
  
• Called Hamas “serious and hard-working“.
  
• Attended wreath-laying at grave of Munich massacre terrorist.
  
• Attended conference with Hamas and PFLP.
  
• Photographed smiling with Hezbollah flag.
  
• Attended rally with Hezbollah and Al-Muhajiroun.
  
• Repeatedly shared platforms with PFLP plane hijacker.
  
• Hired aide who praised Hamas’ “spirit of resistance“.
  
• Accepted £20,000 for state TV channel of terror-sponsoring Iranian regime.
  
• Opposed banning Britons from travelling to Syria to fight for ISIS.
  
• Defended rights of fighters returning from Syria.
  
• Said ISIS supporters should not be prosecuted.
  
• Compared fighters returning from Syria to Nelson Mandela.
  
• Said the death of Osama Bin Laden was a “tragedy“.
  
• Wouldn’t sanction drone strike to kill ISIS leader.
  
• Voted to allow ISIS fighters to return from Syria.
  
• Opposed shoot to kill.
  
• Attended event organised by terrorist sympathising IHRC.
  
• Signed letter defending Lockerbie bombing suspects.
  
• Wrote letter in support of conman accused of fundraising for ISIS.
  
• Spoke of “friendship” with Mo Kozbar, who called for destruction of Israel.
  
• Attended event with Abdullah Djaballah, who called for holy war against UK.
  
• Called drone strikes against terrorists “obscene”.
  
• Boasted about “opposing anti-terror legislation”.
  
• Said laws banning jihadis from returning to Britain are “strange”.
  
• Accepted £5,000 donation from terror supporter Ted Honderich.
  
• Accepted £2,800 trip to Gaza from banned Islamist organisation Interpal.
  
• Called Ibrahim Hewitt, extremist and chair of Interpal, a “very good friend”.
  
• Accepted two more trips from the pro-Hamas group PRC.
  
• Speaker at conference hosted by pro-Hamas group MEMO.
  
• Met Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh several times.
  
• Hosted meeting with Mousa Abu Maria of banned group Islamic Jihad.
  
• Patron of Palestine Solidarity Campaign – marches attended by Hezbollah.
  
• Compared Israel to ISIS, Hamas, Hezbollah and al-Qaeda.
  
• Said we should not make “value judgements” about Britons who fight for ISIS.
  
• Received endorsement from Hamas.
  
• Attended event with Islamic extremist Suliman Gani.
  
• Chaired Stop the War, who praised “internationalism and solidarity” of ISIS.
  
• Praised Raed Salah, who was jailed for inciting violence in Israel.
  
• Signed letter defending jihadist advocacy group Cage.
  
• Met Dyab Jahjah, who praised the killing of British soldiers.
  
• Shared platform with representative of extremist cleric Muqtada al-Sadr.
  
• Compared ISIS to US military in interview on Russia Today.
  
• Opposed proscription of Hizb ut-Tahrir.
  
• Attended conference which called on Iraqis to kill British soldiers.
  
• Attended Al-Quds Day demonstration in support of destruction of Israel.
  
• Supported Hamas and ISIS-linked Viva Palestina group.
  
• Attended protest with Islamic extremist Moazzam Begg.
  
• Made the “case for Iran” at event hosted by Khomeinist group.
  
• Photographed smiling with Azzam Tamimi, who backed suicide bombings.
  
• Photographed with Abdel Atwan, who sympathised with attacks on US troops.
  
• Said Hamas should “have tea with the Queen”.
  
• Attended ‘Meet the Resistance’ event with Hezbollah MP Hussein El Haj.
  
• Attended event with Haifa Zangana, who praised Palestinian “mujahideen”.
  
• Defended the infamous anti-Semitic Hamas supporter Stephen Sizer.
  
• Attended event with pro-Hamas and Hezbollah group Naturei Karta.
  
• Backed Holocaust denying anti-Zionist extremist Paul Eisen.
  
• Photographed with Abdul Raoof Al Shayeb, later jailed for terror offences.
  
• Mocked “anti-terror hysteria” while opposing powers for security services.
  
• Named on speakers list for conference with Hamas sympathiser Ismail Patel.
  
• Criticised drone strike that killed Jihadi John.
  
• Said the 7/7 bombers had been denied “hope and opportunity”.
  
• Said 9/11 was “manipulated” to make it look like bin Laden was responsible.
  
• Failed to unequivocally condemn the 9/11 attacks.
  
• Called Columbian terror group M-19 “comrades”.
  
• Blamed beheading of Alan Henning on Britain.
  
• Gave speech in support of Gaddafi regime.
  
• Signed EDM spinning for Slobodan Milosevic.
  
• Blamed Tunisia terror attack on “austerity”.
  
• Voted against banning support for the IRA.
  
• Voted against the Prevention of Terrorism Act three times during the Troubles.
  
• Voted against emergency counter-terror laws after 9/11.
  
• Voted against stricter punishments for being a member of a terror group.
  
• Voted against criminalising the encouragement of terrorism.
  
• Voted against banning al-Qaeda.
  
• Voted against outlawing the glorification of terror.
  
• Voted against control orders.
  
• Voted against increased funding for the security services to combat terrorism.
  

 

So it’s a tricky one really

 

Wowsa

[suewhistle]

The very last thing this country needs on December 13th is to wake up to Boris Johnson in 10 Downing Street with Trump holding his dog collar.

I'd implore everyone to look at the last GE results for your constituency and vote for whichever party has the best chance to take a seat/hold off of this Tory party!

 

There, I've made it far more accurate for you.

[badgerx16]

 

On the one hand the Conservative Boris Johnson is a bit of a rascal with the ladies and can sometimes bend the truth a bit, he’s also a bit posh.

 

Oh come on, you must be able to find a facebook group with a similar list for BoJo to match the one you cribbed for Corbyn.

[suewhistle]

Some of you may find this amusing:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2019/dec/10/david-squires-on-football-and-the-2019-general-election#comment-136388003

[Jonnyboy]

Everyone has a choice this general election. Vote for Labour, or vote against them.

 

If you do vote for Labour, you are voting for a minority government that will be propped up by the SNP. The country will face years more uncertainty and under investment caused by an another magically negotiated Brexit deal (that they'll campaign against) and a second referendum in Scotland (who will quite possibly leave) - That's more uncertainty and under investment in the UK's economy.

 

On top of that, Labour are going to go on a reckless nationalisation spree, putting the country into significant debt with no investment in the economy for all that spend. The debt and deficit will balloon...

 

They've lied about who they are taxing, and will target children's inheritance whilst removing the married couple's allowance. This is not the actions of a "caring" socialist state supportive of families.

 

They'll strip defence spending to the bone, cancel trident, and have been apparently been relying on Russian leaked dossiers for their campaign (see Reddit'S own announcement on source). Plus, there is no hiding the fact that there is a significant anti antisemitism issue within the labour party and its membership (latest example yesterday from a labour candidate on Nick Robinson), nor the ugly fact that Corbyn has supported the enemies of Britain and/or terrorists whenever the chance has arisen. From top to bottom, they are simply not fit to run the country.

 

Political alignment needs to be put aside for this GE unfortunately. The very last thing this country needs on December 13th is to wake up to Jeremy Corbyn in 10 Downing Street with Sturgeon holding his dog collar.

I'd implore everyone to look at the last GE results for your constituency and vote for whichever party has the best chance to take a seat/hold off of this Labour party!

 

Here's another one who's swallowed all the Russian bots info.

 

They even had a bloke ring up 5 Live this morning and say his wife's friend works in Leed Hospital and they all say its fake news.

[Jonnyboy]

I'm still a bit undecided about my vote direction this coming Thursday.

 

I've obviously taken into consideration what I consider to be the following swaying points on the two main parties.

 

On the one hand the Conservative Boris Johnson is a bit of a rascal with the ladies and can sometimes bend the truth a bit, he’s also a bit posh.

 

And on the other hand..

 

Labours Jeremy Corbyn…

 

• Invited two IRA members to parliament two weeks after the Brighton bombing.
  
• Attended Bloody Sunday commemoration with bomber Brendan McKenna.
  
• Attended meeting with Provisional IRA member Raymond McCartney.
  
• Hosted IRA linked Mitchell McLaughlin in parliament.
  
• Spoke alongside IRA terrorist Martina Anderson.
  
• Attended Sinn Fein dinner with IRA bomber Gerry Kelly.
  
• Chaired Irish republican event with IRA bomber Brendan MacFarlane.
  
• Attended Bobby Sands commemoration honouring IRA terrorists.
  
• Stood in minute’s silence for IRA gunmen shot dead by the SAS.
  
• Refused to condemn the IRA in Sky News interview.
  
• Refused to condemn the IRA on Question Time.
  
• Refused to condemn IRA violence in BBC radio interview.
  
• Signed EDM after IRA Poppy massacre massacre blaming Britain for the deaths.
  
• Arrested while protesting in support of Brighton bomber’s co-defendants.
  
• Lobbied government to improve visiting conditions for IRA killers.
  
• Attended Irish republican event calling for armed conflict against Britain.
  
• Hired suspected IRA man Ronan Bennett as a parliamentary assistant.
  
• Hired another aide closely linked to several convicted IRA terrorists.
  
• Heavily involved with IRA sympathising newspaper London Labour Briefing.
  
• Put up £20,000 bail money for IRA terror suspect Roisin McAliskey.
  
• Didn’t support IRA ceasefire.
  
• Said Hamas and Hezbollah are his “friends“.
  
• Called for Hamas to be removed from terror banned list.
  
• Called Hamas “serious and hard-working“.
  
• Attended wreath-laying at grave of Munich massacre terrorist.
  
• Attended conference with Hamas and PFLP.
  
• Photographed smiling with Hezbollah flag.
  
• Attended rally with Hezbollah and Al-Muhajiroun.
  
• Repeatedly shared platforms with PFLP plane hijacker.
  
• Hired aide who praised Hamas’ “spirit of resistance“.
  
• Accepted £20,000 for state TV channel of terror-sponsoring Iranian regime.
  
• Opposed banning Britons from travelling to Syria to fight for ISIS.
  
• Defended rights of fighters returning from Syria.
  
• Said ISIS supporters should not be prosecuted.
  
• Compared fighters returning from Syria to Nelson Mandela.
  
• Said the death of Osama Bin Laden was a “tragedy“.
  
• Wouldn’t sanction drone strike to kill ISIS leader.
  
• Voted to allow ISIS fighters to return from Syria.
  
• Opposed shoot to kill.
  
• Attended event organised by terrorist sympathising IHRC.
  
• Signed letter defending Lockerbie bombing suspects.
  
• Wrote letter in support of conman accused of fundraising for ISIS.
  
• Spoke of “friendship” with Mo Kozbar, who called for destruction of Israel.
  
• Attended event with Abdullah Djaballah, who called for holy war against UK.
  
• Called drone strikes against terrorists “obscene”.
  
• Boasted about “opposing anti-terror legislation”.
  
• Said laws banning jihadis from returning to Britain are “strange”.
  
• Accepted £5,000 donation from terror supporter Ted Honderich.
  
• Accepted £2,800 trip to Gaza from banned Islamist organisation Interpal.
  
• Called Ibrahim Hewitt, extremist and chair of Interpal, a “very good friend”.
  
• Accepted two more trips from the pro-Hamas group PRC.
  
• Speaker at conference hosted by pro-Hamas group MEMO.
  
• Met Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh several times.
  
• Hosted meeting with Mousa Abu Maria of banned group Islamic Jihad.
  
• Patron of Palestine Solidarity Campaign – marches attended by Hezbollah.
  
• Compared Israel to ISIS, Hamas, Hezbollah and al-Qaeda.
  
• Said we should not make “value judgements” about Britons who fight for ISIS.
  
• Received endorsement from Hamas.
  
• Attended event with Islamic extremist Suliman Gani.
  
• Chaired Stop the War, who praised “internationalism and solidarity” of ISIS.
  
• Praised Raed Salah, who was jailed for inciting violence in Israel.
  
• Signed letter defending jihadist advocacy group Cage.
  
• Met Dyab Jahjah, who praised the killing of British soldiers.
  
• Shared platform with representative of extremist cleric Muqtada al-Sadr.
  
• Compared ISIS to US military in interview on Russia Today.
  
• Opposed proscription of Hizb ut-Tahrir.
  
• Attended conference which called on Iraqis to kill British soldiers.
  
• Attended Al-Quds Day demonstration in support of destruction of Israel.
  
• Supported Hamas and ISIS-linked Viva Palestina group.
  
• Attended protest with Islamic extremist Moazzam Begg.
  
• Made the “case for Iran” at event hosted by Khomeinist group.
  
• Photographed smiling with Azzam Tamimi, who backed suicide bombings.
  
• Photographed with Abdel Atwan, who sympathised with attacks on US troops.
  
• Said Hamas should “have tea with the Queen”.
  
• Attended ‘Meet the Resistance’ event with Hezbollah MP Hussein El Haj.
  
• Attended event with Haifa Zangana, who praised Palestinian “mujahideen”.
  
• Defended the infamous anti-Semitic Hamas supporter Stephen Sizer.
  
• Attended event with pro-Hamas and Hezbollah group Naturei Karta.
  
• Backed Holocaust denying anti-Zionist extremist Paul Eisen.
  
• Photographed with Abdul Raoof Al Shayeb, later jailed for terror offences.
  
• Mocked “anti-terror hysteria” while opposing powers for security services.
  
• Named on speakers list for conference with Hamas sympathiser Ismail Patel.
  
• Criticised drone strike that killed Jihadi John.
  
• Said the 7/7 bombers had been denied “hope and opportunity”.
  
• Said 9/11 was “manipulated” to make it look like bin Laden was responsible.
  
• Failed to unequivocally condemn the 9/11 attacks.
  
• Called Columbian terror group M-19 “comrades”.
  
• Blamed beheading of Alan Henning on Britain.
  
• Gave speech in support of Gaddafi regime.
  
• Signed EDM spinning for Slobodan Milosevic.
  
• Blamed Tunisia terror attack on “austerity”.
  
• Voted against banning support for the IRA.
  
• Voted against the Prevention of Terrorism Act three times during the Troubles.
  
• Voted against emergency counter-terror laws after 9/11.
  
• Voted against stricter punishments for being a member of a terror group.
  
• Voted against criminalising the encouragement of terrorism.
  
• Voted against banning al-Qaeda.
  
• Voted against outlawing the glorification of terror.
  
• Voted against control orders.
  
• Voted against increased funding for the security services to combat terrorism.
  

 

So it’s a tricky one really

 

Funny cos I've seen long lists of the anti-racist/anti-terrorist acts that Corbyn has been involved in over the years. I note none of yours have actual sources.

Edited 10 December, 2019 by Jonnyboy

[Wes Tender]

The Coalition for Reform in Political Advertising is saying that 31 campaigns are “indecent, dishonest or untruthful.”

88% (5952) of Tory ads have breached their code. Only 1 from Labour apparently. People keep kicking off about democracy but what price democracy when a party spouts a stream of bull**** which is swallowed whole by a large % of the electorate and is allowed to get away with it?

 

Show me where you found this. I couldn't find it on their site. However, they have listed several cases where they believe that Labour transgressed their guidelines, along with the usual underhand methods employed by the Lib Dumbs. Yes, the Conservatives have also transgressed their guidelines several times, but to infer that the other parties are lily white is naive, but not surprising from you.

[sadoldgit]

Show me where you found this. I couldn't find it on their site. However, they have listed several cases where they believe that Labour transgressed their guidelines, along with the usual underhand methods employed by the Lib Dumbs. Yes, the Conservatives have also transgressed their guidelines several times, but to infer that the other parties are lily white is naive, but not surprising from you.

 

It’s a report from the BBC. It actually said it found none by Labour but in the interests of fairness I added a statement when Corbyn got a fact wrong. It also mentioned the LibDems charts.

[Sheaf Saint]

Show me where you found this. I couldn't find it on their site. However, they have listed several cases where they believe that Labour transgressed their guidelines, along with the usual underhand methods employed by the Lib Dumbs. Yes, the Conservatives have also transgressed their guidelines several times, but to infer that the other parties are lily white is naive, but not surprising from you.

 

Wasn't difficult to find if you read the BBC article fully...

 

https://firstdraftnews.org/latest/thousands-of-misleading-conservative-ads-side-step-scrutiny-thanks-to-facebook-policy/

 

"With 12 days until polling day, the Conservatives massively stepped up its ad campaign on Facebook, running almost 7,000 ads and spending more than £50,000 between November 27 and December 3, according to the latest figures from Facebook’s Ad Library.

 

First Draft accessed the Facebook Ad Library API to download all 6,749 ads from the Conservative Party between December 1 and December 4. Some 88% (5,952) of the most widely promoted ads featured claims about the NHS, income tax cuts, and the Labour Party which had already been labelled misleading by Full Fact."

Edited 10 December, 2019 by Sheaf Saint

[Wes Tender]

It’s a report from the BBC. It actually said it found none by Labour but in the interests of fairness I added a statement when Corbyn got a fact wrong. It also mentioned the LibDems charts.

 

Ah, so asked to reference the incidents from the organisation that you referenced as overseeing incidents of dubious advertising from the political parties during the election campaign, you are unable to do that, but instead you reference a report from the Biased Broadcasting Corporation.

 

So show me the report from the BBC then. Of course, there are several websites dedicated to examining their left bias politically, so I'm afraid that your link to them will probably not be seen to be any more impartial by me than an article from the Guardian, Mirror, the Not Independent or Sky.

[Sheaf Saint]

Ah, so asked to reference the incidents from the organisation that you referenced as overseeing incidents of dubious advertising from the political parties during the election campaign, you are unable to do that, but instead you reference a report from the Biased Broadcasting Corporation.

 

So show me the report from the BBC then. Of course, there are several websites dedicated to examining their left bias politically, so I'm afraid that your link to them will probably not be seen to be any more impartial by me than an article from the Guardian, Mirror, the Not Independent or Sky.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-50726500

 

Read it in full and check its sources for yourself, as per my post above.

[Wes Tender]

Wasn't difficult to find if you read the BBC article fully...

 

https://firstdraftnews.org/latest/thousands-of-misleading-conservative-ads-side-step-scrutiny-thanks-to-facebook-policy/

 

"With 12 days until polling day, the Conservatives massively stepped up its ad campaign on Facebook, running almost 7,000 ads and spending more than £50,000 between November 27 and December 3, according to the latest figures from Facebook’s Ad Library.

 

First Draft accessed the Facebook Ad Library API to download all 6,749 ads from the Conservative Party between December 1 and December 4. Some 88% (5,952) of the most widely promoted ads featured claims about the NHS, income tax cuts, and the Labour Party which had already been labelled misleading by Full Fact."

 

So First Draft then.

 

First Draft has not been able to find misleading claims in Facebook adverts from the Labour Party, which has promoted far fewer ads than the Conservatives or Liberal Democrats.

 

Frankly, this is laughable. Their credibility is zero if they believe this.

[sadoldgit]

Ah, so asked to reference the incidents from the organisation that you referenced as overseeing incidents of dubious advertising from the political parties during the election campaign, you are unable to do that, but instead you reference a report from the Biased Broadcasting Corporation.

 

So show me the report from the BBC then. Of course, there are several websites dedicated to examining their left bias politically, so I'm afraid that your link to them will probably not be seen to be any more impartial by me than an article from the Guardian, Mirror, the Not Independent or Sky.

 

Can you stop with the childish name calling. I can point you in the direction of plenty of people who think the BBC is biased towards the Tories so there is no point playing that card.

 

They have added some info to the report from when I first read it. Re the 31 flagged reports of election ads that were untruthful, 10 were attributed to the Tories, 11 to the LibDems, 6 to Brexit and 4 to Labour.

 

The figure of 5952 ads came from paid for ads from the 3 main parties recorded in the first 5 days of December on Facebook. The Tories managed to record a rate of 88% not correct or not entirely correct ads. The Labour Party recorded zero.

[Sheaf Saint]

So First Draft then.

 

 

 

Frankly, this is laughable. Their credibility is zero if they believe this.

 

If you have done some independent research that contradicts this then please share it with us.

 

Otherwise it just looks like you are dismissing it based solely on your own tribal allegiance.

[Weston Super Saint]

Can you stop with the childish name calling. I can point you in the direction of plenty of people who think the BBC is biased towards the Tories so there is no point playing that card.

 

They have added some info to the report from when I first read it. Re the 31 flagged reports of election ads that were untruthful, 10 were attributed to the Tories, 11 to the LibDems, 6 to Brexit and 4 to Labour.

 

The figure of 5952 ads came from paid for ads from the 3 main parties recorded in the first 5 days of December on Facebook. The Tories managed to record a rate of 88% not correct or not entirely correct ads. The Labour Party recorded zero.

 

It's a headline figure to be sure and absolutely eyewatering!

 

But there is a little more to the article that seems to have been left out :

 

One example was that Labour would spend £1.2 trillion at a cost of £2,400 to every household, which was contained within 4,028 ads.

 

Would that count as seperate incidents or just the same info being repeated ad-infinitum?

 

Still, technically, there is nothing wrong with them publishing the info - nor would it be an issue for any political party as the BBC also states :

 

But political advertising is regulated outside of the ASA. And the electoral law that applies "doesn't require claims in political campaigns to be truthful or factually accurate," according to the House of Commons library.

 

Looks like Batman is right - they all tell porkies, but then, why not, when they are given carte blanche to do so?

[shurlock]

Remember if its not on far-right websites like politicalite that run stories about muslims gang-raping donkeys, its not credible to our Les.

 

What is it about Les and Tuesdays

[Lord Duckhunter]

Exactly my position if you substitute Eastleigh for New Forest East. Although any vote other then Tory here is totally pointless.

 

There were once plenty of labour seats like this, until they shat on the working man. Scotland first, followed by Wales, The midlands and the north. They’re becoming a metropolitan party for the middle class & muslims

 

#draintheswamp

 

 

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[badgerx16]

There were once plenty of labour seats like this, until they shat on the working man. Scotland first, followed by Wales, The midlands and the north. They’re becoming a metropolitan party for the middle class & muslims

Does this explain why you don't support them ?

[hypochondriac]

Does this explain why you don't support them ?

I think the ill defined definition of Islamaphobia as "an expression of racism that targets expressions of Muslimness or perceived Muslimness" is an incredibly alarming definition that Labour want the country to adopt. Its one of the reasons I don't want them in power.

[Sheaf Saint]

I think the ill defined definition of Islamaphobia as "an expression of racism that targets expressions of Muslimness or perceived Muslimness" is an incredibly alarming definition that Labour want the country to adopt. Its one of the reasons I don't want them in power.

 

Yet you're happy to give your vote to a party whose leader refuses to apologise for describing Muslim women as looking like letterboxes.

[hypochondriac]

Yet you're happy to give your vote to a party whose leader refuses to apologise for describing Muslim women as looking like letterboxes.

An article that correctly identified the garment as ridiculous (and oppressive) yet nevertheless defended the right for people to wear it even though they could be subject to ridicule for doing so. I agree with that 100%. It's actually the polar opposite of what I opposed which was the stifling of religious criticism under the guise of Islamaphobia. A relative of my wife faces pressure to wear the niqab and I think it's abhorrent. Edited 10 December, 2019 by hypochondriac

[Lord Duckhunter]

Yet you're happy to give your vote to a party whose leader refuses to apologise for describing Muslim women as looking like letterboxes.

 

They do, why should he apologise? If I went out with a yellow cardboard box on my head, would it be “racist” to tell me I look like Sponge Bob.

 

Emily Thornbury said she did want someone wearing a burka looking after her elderly mother, or her 4 year old, said she wouldn’t mind them working “in records” at the hospital, but not in front of the public. Is that more acceptable?

 

 

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[doddisalegend]

They do, why should he apologise? If I went out with a yellow cardboard box on my head, would it be “racist” to tell me I look like Sponge Bob.

 

Emily Thornbury said she did want someone wearing a burka looking after her elderly mother, or her 4 year old, said she wouldn’t mind them working “in records” at the hospital, but not in front of the public. Is that more acceptable?

 

 

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What religion do you follow that requires you to wear a yellow cardboard box on your head?

[hypochondriac]

What religion do you follow that requires you to wear a yellow cardboard box on your head?

What difference does it make if its a religion? Ignoring the fact that Islam doesn't require you to wear a burqa.

[Tamesaint]

Can you stop with the childish name calling. I can point you in the direction of plenty of people who think the BBC is biased towards the Tories so there is no point playing that card.

 

They have added some info to the report from when I first read it. Re the 31 flagged reports of election ads that were untruthful, 10 were attributed to the Tories, 11 to the LibDems, 6 to Brexit and 4 to Labour.

 

The figure of 5952 ads came from paid for ads from the 3 main parties recorded in the first 5 days of December on Facebook. The Tories managed to record a rate of 88% not correct or not entirely correct ads. The Labour Party recorded zero.

 

Childish name calling is an illustration of mental issues. Wes is making himself ill with his rants and his extreme views. Feel sorry for him. I do.

[Fan The Flames]

The burka is wrong as far as I'm concerned. But he was clearly being demeaning on purpose, a little nod to the right wing. The tories have been doing it for years; their statements used to be riskier, then they'd get called out and apologise. Nowadays they have to be 'intolerant' to this behaviour their statements are now coded signals, just ambiguous enough so the right wing fan boys can argue it's case. As witnessed on here.

[hypochondriac]

The burka is wrong as far as I'm concerned. But he was clearly being demeaning on purpose, a little nod to the right wing. The tories have been doing it for years; their statements used to be riskier, then they'd get called out and apologise. Nowadays they have to be 'intolerant' to this behaviour their statements are now coded signals, just ambiguous enough so the right wing fan boys can argue it's case. As witnessed on here.

I don't consider it healthy to hold people responsible when thick people do things in their name unless it's a direct call for violence and even then the ultimate responsibility lies with the people commiting the acts. If some right wingers use a comment about letterboxes to be bigoted towards some Muslims then that responsibility lies entirely with them, I wouldn't want responsibility to be abdicated to others. The point stands- we should absolutely be free to criticise or laugh at Islam and all its supposed trappings in the same way we can do it to Christianity and the aburd things that go with that. Actually there's not much more British than poking fun at a religion and its pomposity. Edited 10 December, 2019 by hypochondriac

[whelk]

I don't consider it healthy to hold people responsible when thick people do things in their name unless it's a direct call for violence and even then the ultimate responsibility lies with the people commiting the acts. If some right wingers use a comment about letterboxes to be bigoted towards some Muslims then that responsibility lies entirely with them, I wouldn't want responsibility to be abdicated to others. The point stands- we should absolutely be free to criticise or laugh at Islam and all its supposed trappings in the same way we can do it to Christianity and the aburd things that go with that. Actually there's not much more British than poking fun at a religion and its pomposity.

 

So a Muslim woman in a Burka walks past a building site and gets mocked “hey look lads there’s a letterbox” just a bit of fun and healthy for our society?

The good old PM has highlighted this fact

[shurlock]

The burka is wrong as far as I'm concerned. But he was clearly being demeaning on purpose, a little nod to the right wing. The tories have been doing it for years; their statements used to be riskier, then they'd get called out and apologise. Nowadays they have to be 'intolerant' to this behaviour their statements are now coded signals, just ambiguous enough so the right wing fan boys can argue it's case. As witnessed on here.

 

 

Yep. It was an obvious dog-whistle for the bigots and the base with all the plausible deniability that comes with the best dog whistles. Hence the lily-livered whining about the article’s ‘wider context’.

Edited 10 December, 2019 by shurlock

[whelk]

They do, why should he apologise? If I went out with a yellow cardboard box on my head, would it be “racist” to tell me I look like Sponge Bob.

 

Emily Thornbury said she did want someone wearing a burka looking after her elderly mother, or her 4 year old, said she wouldn’t mind them working “in records” at the hospital, but not in front of the public. Is that more acceptable?

 

 

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Getting thicker every day.

[hypochondriac]

So a Muslim woman in a Burka walks past a building site and gets mocked “hey look lads there’s a letterbox” just a bit of fun and healthy for our society?

The good old PM has highlighted this fact

Nope I don't think aggressively confronting a woman like that in that fashion is acceptable. Not in any way the same thing as highlighting how ridiculous they look in an article which had a wider context.

[whelk]

Nope I don't think aggressively confronting a woman like that in that fashion is acceptable. Not in any way the same thing as highlighting how ridiculous they look in an article which had a wider context.

 

Guess turbans look ridiculous to us too?

[hypochondriac]

Guess turbans look ridiculous to us too?

You could apply the same principle to a sikh turban or a habit yes. All religious garments should be fair game for ridicule though obviously aggressively confronting anyone in the street should never happen. I think many pieces of religious clothing look silly but the burkha in particular looks mad because it covers the entire body and is just impractical as well as oppressive as I already mentioned. Edited 10 December, 2019 by hypochondriac

[doddisalegend]

What difference does it make if its a religion? Ignoring the fact that Islam doesn't require you to wear a burqa.

 

Which version of Islam? Just like Christianity there are different versions of Islam. Many Salafi do require the Burqa to be a requirement in the presence of non related men and there about 80 million Salafi Sunnis across the world. And of course it makes a difference if its a religious choice people should be allowed to follow religious tenants without their own government taking the **** out of them on the other hand if lord D where as a yellow box on his head its for no reason other to make a pretty facile point. We all know you, Lord D and the gang would be ****ing yourselves stupid if Corbyn made a comment about the Kippah.

[hypochondriac]

Which version of Islam? Just like Christianity there are different versions of Islam. Many Salafi do require the Burqa to be a requirement in the presence of non related men and there about 80 million Salafi Sunnis across the world. And of course it makes a difference if its a religious choice people should be allowed to follow religious tenants without their own government taking the **** out of them on the other hand if lord D where as a yellow box on his head its for no reason other to make a pretty facile point. We all know you, Lord D and the gang would be ****ing yourselves stupid if Corbyn made a comment about the Kippah.

Couldn't disagree more. People are completely free to believe whatever made up nonsense they like and indeed wear whatever they like within reason but you have no more legitimacy or freedom from ridicule if you claim to follow a religion than you do if you don't and are just wearing something that makes you look ridiculous for the sake of it. That's what freedom is.

[Lord Duckhunter]

Boris takes the Mick out of Muslim chicks, but in the same article defends their right to wear it. Lady Nugee wants them hidden away from the public, only working “in records” in “our” NHS and certainly not with 4 year olds. Yet Boris is the dog whistling racist...

 

 

 

 

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[aintforever]

They do, why should he apologise? If I went out with a yellow cardboard box on my head, would it be “racist” to tell me I look like Sponge Bob.

 

Emily Thornbury said she did want someone wearing a burka looking after her elderly mother, or her 4 year old, said she wouldn’t mind them working “in records” at the hospital, but not in front of the public. Is that more acceptable?

 

 

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I doubt you would say that if your old dragon was one of the “letterboxes” on the receiving of hate crime as a direct result of what he said.

[sadoldgit]

Just read an interesting FB post about Hancock and the hospital story. If true he used someone else’s account to post a false rebuttal of the story.

[Lord Duckhunter]

I doubt you would say that if your old dragon was one of the “letterboxes” on the receiving of hate crime as a direct result of what he said.

 

The snap dragon can wear what the **** she likes. If she dresses like an idiot, she deserves any clog she gets. Nothing to do with me.

 

 

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[Jonnyboy]

Scousers aren't so bad...

http://www.talkingbaws.com/2019/12/video-liverpool-fans-repeatedly-chant-jeremy-corbyns-name-during-salzburg-victory/