General Election 2019 - Post Match Reaction

[hypochondriac]

Here's a challenge to all sides. It'll be interesting to see who's confident enough to rise to it and who is too insecure to answer it in a genuinely critical way.

What do you think are the three biggest negatives about the party you currently plan to vote for?

 

(Credibility points off for trying to highlight a positive in disguise)

Conservative:

 

1) Are doing very little for small businesses which is one of the things I care about.

 

2) Know very little and don't really care about early years childcare providers and funding them properly.

 

3) Is pretending the brexit deal Boris negotiated is "wonderful and perfect" which it clearly isn't- its a difficult deal that has necessarily meant compromise. They should be more honest about it.

 

I also despair at the lack of choice and I'm disheartened that the only real alternatives to the Conservatives are a hideous Marxist mess and the political equivalent of cold porridge in the Lib Dems.

[Sheaf Saint]

Here's a challenge to all sides. It'll be interesting to see who's confident enough to rise to it and who is too insecure to answer it in a genuinely critical way.

What do you think are the three biggest negatives about the party you currently plan to vote for?

 

(Credibility points off for trying to highlight a positive in disguise)

 

Great idea. Maybe we could expand on it to include three key reasons you intend to vote for them as well?

 

Despite my reservations, I will be voting Labour (to nobody's surprise on here, I should imagine). The reasons being that my local MP is actually really good and does a lot for our community, I agree with their position on Brexit, and because they are the best (and only, where I live) hope of unseating this f*cking despicable Tory government that has unleashed so much suffering on so many parts of UK society.

 

The three biggest negatives for me are:

 

1. A weak and divisive leader who cannot and will never have the full support of his entire party

2. Too many MPs whose views and motivations are incompatible with those of the current party, who will seek to undermine the leadership at every opportunity

3. Question marks over the feasibility of their spending plans

Edited 28 November, 2019 by Sheaf Saint

[sadoldgit]

I’m still undecided but if I vote tactically it will be Labour so...

 

Not dealing with the anti-semitism thing decisively enough.

Not electing a leader who is more voter friendly to the floating voter.

Keeping Diane Abbot on the front benches when she quite clearly annoys people of all persuasions.

[sadoldgit]

Trust hypo to shoe horn a dig at the other parties too.

[aintforever]

I'm going to vote Lib Dem as always, just because where I live it's a straight choice between them and the Tories. Main negatives are:

 

1. The leader doesn't inspire me much

2. There policy on Brexit is too extreme - a second referendum can be the only way to reverse Brexit IMO.

3. Haven't read their manifesto this time but they tend to be soft on crime.

[hypochondriac]

Trust hypo to shoe horn a dig at the other parties too.

My three reasons had zero mention of other parties.

[sadoldgit]

Just read that the Tories have provided their candidates with manuals which show them how to smear their rivals with mostly discredited “facts.”

 

Classy.

[mickn]

Trust hypo to shoe horn a dig at the other parties too.

 

Not really sure it was a dig, it's difficult to argue against what he said and as he said he did come up with 3 negatives regarding his own choice

[doddisalegend]

Here's a challenge to all sides. It'll be interesting to see who's confident enough to rise to it and who is too insecure to answer it in a genuinely critical way.

What do you think are the three biggest negatives about the party you currently plan to vote for?

 

(Credibility points off for trying to highlight a positive in disguise)

 

I don't have a party but my take

 

Tories

1) Boris

2) Boris

3) Boris

 

Labour

1) Corbyn

2) Corbyn

3) Corbyn

 

Lib Dems

1) Swinson

2) Swinson

3) Swinson

 

Biggest bunch of no marks the British public have ever been asked to vote for seriously they are all managing to make Sturgeon look good.. I literally can't imagine any of them making a good prime minster or not doing more damage to an already divided country.

 

 

 

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Edited 28 November, 2019 by doddisalegend

[aintforever]

Biggest bunch of no marks the British public have ever been asked to vote for seriously they are all managing to make Sturgeon look good.. I literally can't imagine any of them making a good prime minster or not doing more damage to an already divided country.

 

 

 

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This.

 

I cannot see any good outcome to this GE. Both a Labour government or a Boris government with a hard Brexit will probably be very bad for the economy if all the experts are to be believed.

 

A hung parliament with some sort of coalition has to be the least bad outcome, but that would be a mess.

[saint1977]

This.

 

I cannot see any good outcome to this GE. Both a Labour government or a Boris government with a hard Brexit will probably be very bad for the economy if all the experts are to be believed.

 

A hung parliament with some sort of coalition has to be the least bad outcome, but that would be a mess.

 

That's certainly the view of Paul Johnson at the IFS of both parties. Tories are being untruthful about the low level of increased spending to repair some of the severe damage from austerity and tackle social care. Ruling out tax rises for 5 years unsustainable. Brexit trade deal won't be done by late 2020 and total fantasy to claim otherwise. Labour get an equal hammering for just saying the top 5% pay a bit more, patently not so, people on lower incomes would have to pay more clearly as well.

 

I don't like the LD's policy on Article 50 nor Swinson but after that report going to hold my nose and vote for them. I can't justify voting for two parties who will bankrupt the country and I'm a Remainer so Brexit Party are no good. Greens I don't think standing in my seat so that would have been an alternative. If I'm wrong (will check) then I may vote for them.

[norwaysaint]

Trust hypo to shoe horn a dig at the other parties too.

 

I thought his comments were more valuable and constructive towards even-handed discussion than this one.

[Batman]

This.

 

I cannot see any good outcome to this GE. Both a Labour government or a Boris government with a hard Brexit will probably be very bad for the economy if all the experts are to be believed.

 

A hung parliament with some sort of coalition has to be the least bad outcome, but that would be a mess.

 

Like the Tories in coalition with the Brexit party?

[sadoldgit]

Not really sure it was a dig, it's difficult to argue against what he said and as he said he did come up with 3 negatives regarding his own choice

 

Surely the point was to show that you could appreciate the faults in the party you are supporting. As soon as you add in digs at other parties you destroy the point of the exercise by watering down those criticisms. Surely we all spend enough time slagging off opposing parties on here as it is?

[sadoldgit]

I thought his comments were more valuable and constructive towards even-handed discussion than this one.

 

Sorry, I clearly missed that said put down three things you are not happy about in the party you are supporting and then slag off the other parties too. My bad.

[Batman]

Jesus Christ. Abbot has been let loose.

 

[norwaysaint]

Thanks for the responses so far. As a non resident, I experience the effects and immersion of British politics in a bit of a distant and detached way. I find I learn little from people just arguing their parties case, but quite a lot from genuine reflections on where you want them to improve. It also helps clarify that people do genuinely consider the pros and cons of choosing each party, rather than just pursuing a blinkered good/bad party line of thought.

 

Looking forward to the other responses if they all manage to be as genuinely critical.

[hypochondriac]

I thought his comments were more valuable and constructive towards even-handed discussion than this one.

Thanks. No real joy in voting Conservative tbh but given that its them or Corbyn's Labour to lead the country, the choice is pretty obvious.

[Batman]

Thanks. No real joy in voting Conservative tbh but given that its them or Corbyn's Labour to lead the country, the choice is pretty obvious.

 

That is where I am

[shurlock]

Thanks for the responses so far. As a non resident, I experience the effects and immersion of British politics in a bit of a distant and detached way. I find I learn little from people just arguing their parties case, but quite a lot from genuine reflections on where you want them to improve. It also helps clarify that people do genuinely consider the pros and cons of choosing each party, rather than just pursuing a blinkered good/bad party line of thought.

 

Looking forward to the other responses if they all manage to be as genuinely critical.

 

It’s very easy to list three faults with the party you’re voting for as a hypothetical, box-ticking, going-through-the-motions exercise (especially when you’ve asked the question). It doesn’t mean much, if any, weight is put on them in practice pal.

Edited 28 November, 2019 by shurlock

[Weston Super Saint]

Here's a challenge to all sides. It'll be interesting to see who's confident enough to rise to it and who is too insecure to answer it in a genuinely critical way.

What do you think are the three biggest negatives about the party you currently plan to vote for?

 

(Credibility points off for trying to highlight a positive in disguise)

 

What if you're planning to abstain because, frankly, the choice isn't very appealing?

[norwaysaint]

It’s very easy to list three faults with the party you’re voting for as a hypothetical, box-ticking, going-through-the-motions exercise (especially when you’ve asked the question). It doesn’t mean much, if any, weight is put on them in practice pal.

Feel free to make your own effort at drawing forth more genuine critical comments of both sides. This one has been productive so far for what I was interested in

[sadoldgit]

What if you're planning to abstain because, frankly, the choice isn't very appealing?

 

It would be interesting to see how many people would tick a “None Of The Above” box.

[Batman]

The penny has finally dropped for this idiot.

Labour leave voters have been telling his ilk for ages but they were (are) routinely dismissed.

 

[LGTL]

My vote is completely pointless as Julian Lewis could round up and murder every newborn baby in the New Forest and he’d still win with a majority of about 20,000.

 

I swing between Labour and Lib Dem. In reality with my circumstances, I’d probably be far better voting Tory but I’ve seen the damage they’ve done to schools and I couldn’t bring myself to do it. I dislike Corbyn so it’ll be Lib Dems;

 

Not a great fan of Swinson

Brexit policy should be centred around another referendum, not just a cancellation.

Their policies can be wishy washy at times as they know they’ve no chance of having to follow anything through.

[badgerx16]

I will probably vote Labour, simply because we have a sitting Labour MP, and I would prefer to try to keep the Tories' final majority as small as possible. This is in no way an endorsement of the nutters leading the party, it is purely tactical. If we had an effective proportional voting system I might have swayed towards the Greens.

3 things against Labour; The front bench, the ludicrous position on Brexit, and some of their fiscal proposals.

For balance, 3 negatives for the Tories; Johnson, getting Brexit done ( as a remainiac ), and their position on funding public services ( just don't trust them ). As for the LDs; Swinson is a weak leader, there is still the hangover from the coalition, and their policies seem scattershot.

Edited 28 November, 2019 by badgerx16

[shurlock]

The big issue at this election isn't Brexit – it's Jeremy Corbyn

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/11/26/big-issue-election-isnt-brexit-jeremy-corbyn/

[badgerx16]

If you look at the party leaders as a group, is this election the best argument possible against compulsory voting ?

[Shroppie]

I will probably vote Labour, simply because we have a sitting Labour MP, and I would prefer to try to keep the Tories' final majority as small as possible. This is in no way an endorsement of the nutters leading the party, it is purely tactical. If we had an effective proportional voting system I might have swayed towards the Greens.

3 things against Labour; The front bench, the ludicrous position on Brexit, and some of their fiscal proposals.

For balance, 3 negatives for the Tories; Johnson, getting Brexit done ( as a remainiac ), and their position on funding public services ( just don't trust them ). As for the LDs; Swinson is a weak leader, there is still the hangover from the coalition, and their policies seem scattershot.

I can agree with much of that. If I could unseat our Tory MP, I would vote tactically, but with a15000 majority, even though he's self-interested and been investigated for dubious financial interests, he'll get in.

 

Agree, we need PR, but the vested interests of Con and Lab will never let it happen.

 

I'll vote LibDem because their policies match my principles and I think Jo Swinson will grow into a good leader.

 

If only Jess Phillips were leader of Labour!

 

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[hypochondriac]

I can agree with much of that. If I could unseat our Tory MP, I would vote tactically, but with a15000 majority, even though he's self-interested and been investigated for dubious financial interests, he'll get in.

 

Agree, we need PR, but the vested interests of Con and Lab will never let it happen.

 

I'll vote LibDem because their policies match my principles and I think Jo Swinson will grow into a good leader.

 

If only Jess Phillips were leader of Labour!

 

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Jess Phillips would do even worse than Corbyn. A loud, shrill, foul mouthed, aggressive feminist extremist who laughs at the idea of talking about men's issues and male suicide. No thanks.

[Shroppie]

Jess Phillips would do even worse than Corbyn. A loud, shrill, foul mouthed, aggressive feminist extremist who laughs at the idea of talking about men's issues and male suicide. No thanks.

I'll agree to differ. You obviously uncomfortable with feminists.

 

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[Tamesaint]

Jess Phillips would do even worse than Corbyn. A loud, shrill, foul mouthed, aggressive feminist extremist who laughs at the idea of talking about men's issues and male suicide. No thanks.

 

When did she come up with this? Do you have a link?

 

I am not questioning what you say - I would just be interested to hear any politician talking like this.

[hypochondriac]

I'll agree to differ. You obviously uncomfortable with feminists.

 

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Nope. Just extreme ones who peddle myths and who dismiss things like male suicide. I'm not too keen on those ones at all.

[Wes Tender]

I think Jo Swinson will grow into a good leader.

 

If only Jess Phillips were leader of Labour!

 

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:lol: Excellent trolling.

[Sheaf Saint]

Jesus Christ. Abbot has been let loose.

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/29/ethiopia-plants-250m-trees-in-a-day-to-help-tackle-climate-crisis

 

Ethiopia plants 350m trees in a day to help tackle climate crisis

 

About 350m trees have been planted in a single day in Ethiopia, according to a government minister.

 

The planting is part of a national “green legacy” initiative to grow 4bn trees in the country this summer by encouraging every citizen to plant at least 40 seedlings. Public offices have reportedly been shut down in order for civil servants to take part.

 

The project aims to tackle the effects of deforestation and climate change in the drought-prone country. According to the UN, Ethiopia’s forest coverage was just 4% in the 2000s, down from 35% a century earlier.

 

Ethiopia’s minister of innovation and technology, Dr Getahun Mekuria, tweeted estimates of the number of trees planted throughout the day. By early evening on Monday, he put the number at 353m.

 

The previous world record for the most trees planted in one day stood at 50m, held by India since 2016.

Edited 29 November, 2019 by Sheaf Saint

[LGTL]

Nice of Boris to do a cut throat gesture when explaining how best to deal with the social care crisis.

 

The ‘explanation’ from Nick Ferrari is even more embarrassing.

[hypochondriac]

Nice of Boris to do a cut throat gesture when explaining how best to deal with the social care crisis.

 

The ‘explanation’ from Nick Ferrari is even more embarrassing.

You realise that even James O'brien was defending Boris.

[Lord Duckhunter]

**** me. Second division debate tonight, chaired by a second division presenter. Awful. The Taff is most impressive, mainly because he’s not bickering like the others.

 

Pub is calling, I’ll get more sense out of the local **** artist.

 

 

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[shurlock]

**** me. Second division debate tonight, chaired by a second division presenter. Awful. The Taff is most impressive, mainly because he’s not bickering like the others.

 

Pub is calling, I’ll get more sense out of the local **** artist.

 

 

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He’s already taken pal.

[Jonnyboy]

When did she come up with this? Do you have a link?

 

I am not questioning what you say - I would just be interested to hear any politician talking like this.

 

Dream on, he doesn't do real facts, just opinions.

[hypochondriac]

When did she come up with this? Do you have a link?

 

I am not questioning what you say - I would just be interested to hear any politician talking like this.

There's a few clips online but here's an article about it:

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/11962537/Whats-so-funny-about-a-mens-rights-debate.html

[norwaysaint]

There's a few clips online but here's an article about it:

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/11962537/Whats-so-funny-about-a-mens-rights-debate.html

 

I just listened to that. It's not quite as it's being presented though is it? She doesn't dismiss the issue of men's suicide there and she doesn't lugh at the idea of discussing men's issues. She laughs quite specifically when he says that men have limited chances to talk about what's important to them. There's a discussion to be had about that, but it's disingenuous to say that she's laughing at the actual issues. It's a bit like there being a discussion about an assassination attempt on Donald Trump, then saying that Donald Trump never gets a chance to make himself heard. I would laugh at the second part, but still consider the first a serious issue. This is just the Telegraph trying to twist things a little unless there's more to it that's not shown in that clip.

[badgerx16]

She laughs quite specifically when he says that men have limited chances to talk about what's important to them.

Specifically, she is amused by the argument that men in the HoC and HoL don't get the opportunity to ask questions, emphasising that she is the only female member of that specific committee. She agrees that issues such as prostate and testicular cancer ahould be more openly discussed, as men tend to be reticent to do so, but she certainly doesn't come anywhere near to doing what was alleged.

[sadoldgit]

I met an old friend for lunch yesterday. He has recently retired after working for HMRC all his life. He specialised in VAT. The Government have outsourced the handling of VAT to a private company. At the moment they are handling the simple and straightforward VAT cases with HMRC still dealing with the more complex cases. He says that the other company are not capable of handing the highly complex cases and that the expectancy is that there will be a major **** up when they take on all of the VAT jobs. Watch this space.

[Weston Super Saint]

Certainly seems like a crucial issue for this election

[sadoldgit]

Certainly seems like a crucial issue for this election

 

What? Anti-semitism?

[sadoldgit]

What? Anti-semitism?

 

Wrong thread!

 

Outsourcing work to private companies? You have not been paying attention about the NHS then?

[Lord Duckhunter]

Oh great , another “I was talking to someone” anecdote where, surprise surprise, the person shared the posters political opinions. Does Soggy ever meet anyone who disagrees with him?

 

 

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[hypochondriac]

Oh great , another “I was talking to someone” anecdote where, surprise surprise, the person shared the posters political opinions. Does Soggy ever meet anyone who disagrees with him?

 

 

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I think that's part of the problem.

[sadoldgit]

Oh great , another “I was talking to someone” anecdote where, surprise surprise, the person shared the posters political opinions. Does Soggy ever meet anyone who disagrees with him?

 

 

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Disagree with me? I have nothing to do with outsourcing Government work and was just relating a tale of something which could potentially tie up millions of £s. But hey, let’s not worry about that, let’s just make cheap personal comments instead. Funny that are are straight on here to make points about your own political agenda and that is ok. When anyone else does it it is not.