LGTL Posted 18 November, 2019 Share Posted 18 November, 2019 I'm not embarrassed at all at your pathetic dissembling, Gavin, or the attempts of your cohort remoaners to try and put words into my mouth. I find it all very amusing sometimes and boring on other occasions. This is one of those boring occasions. You really do need to raise your game, Gavin. I'm quite happy to count down the days until the 12th December. Where Musk builds his factory isn't going to influence the vote on the day, so stop p*ssing in the wind. You’re well out of your depth up against him, and everyone can see it regardless of their opinion on Brexit. Best to leave it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 18 November, 2019 Share Posted 18 November, 2019 High profile casualties from this election? Swinson could be one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 18 November, 2019 Share Posted 18 November, 2019 High profile casualties from this election? Swinson could be one. So could Boris wasn't his majority in Uxbridge slashed in half at the 2017 election? It would be kind of funny if the Tories won the election and Boris lost his seat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 18 November, 2019 Share Posted 18 November, 2019 So could Boris wasn't his majority in Uxbridge slashed in half at the 2017 election? It would be kind of funny if the Tories won the election and Boris lost his seat. There is a big student community in that area. Fingers crossed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 18 November, 2019 Share Posted 18 November, 2019 Party leaders tend to get a bit of a boost in their own constituencies during election campaign, lots of publicity & limelight. I’d be amazed if either lost their seats. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 18 November, 2019 Share Posted 18 November, 2019 Party leaders tend to get a bit of a boost in their own constituencies during election campaign, lots of publicity & limelight. I’d be amazed if either lost their seats. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk I think Swinson will be a casualty after the election. She had made huge statements about lots of things, and given the state of labour, she should be swiping seats from them all over the place. I don’t think her message is good outside of those who would vote for her traditionally anyway (which is not a lot) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 18 November, 2019 Share Posted 18 November, 2019 High profile casualties from this election? Swinson could be one. Sorry read that twice and still can’t see the tits gag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 18 November, 2019 Share Posted 18 November, 2019 It’s a nonsense that the Speaker gets a free ride. They should chose a Speaker from those who are elected after the GE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 18 November, 2019 Share Posted 18 November, 2019 It’s a nonsense that the Speaker gets a free ride. They should chose a Speaker from those who are elected after the GE. And reduce a vote from one party? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 18 November, 2019 Share Posted 18 November, 2019 It’s a nonsense that the Speaker gets a free ride. Why ? He / she can't vote in conventional Commons divisions, so theoretically the party they previously supported loses an MP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 18 November, 2019 Share Posted 18 November, 2019 It made complete sense for the previous HOC to elect the speaker. Apart from one or two exceptions they had all served with the candidates for the length of the parliament. They’d all seen their strengths, characteristics and behaviour. The new parliament could contain 150 newbies who wouldn’t have a clue whether or not Lynsey Hoyle or one of the others would make a good speaker. They would also be under pressure on their first day, without having to pick a speaker. Yet again Soggy fails to see common sense. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 18 November, 2019 Share Posted 18 November, 2019 Why ? He / she can't vote in conventional Commons divisions, so theoretically the party they previously supported loses an MP. Because their constituency don’t get a meaningful vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 18 November, 2019 Share Posted 18 November, 2019 Because their constituency don’t get a meaningful vote. A significant proportion of the electorate don't get a 'meaningful' vote under FPTP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 18 November, 2019 Share Posted 18 November, 2019 A significant proportion of the electorate don't get a 'meaningful' vote under FPTP. They still get to vote for a candidate of their choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 18 November, 2019 Share Posted 18 November, 2019 They still get to vote for a candidate of their choice. And what of the electorate in the constituencies held by the 3 deputy speakers, none of whom will vote in Parliamentary divisions. Are they being denied proper representation in the HoC ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 19 November, 2019 Share Posted 19 November, 2019 And what of the electorate in the constituencies held by the 3 deputy speakers, none of whom will vote in Parliamentary divisions. Are they being denied proper representation in the HoC ? Clearly they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 19 November, 2019 Share Posted 19 November, 2019 One for Fry Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 19 November, 2019 Share Posted 19 November, 2019 And what of the electorate in the constituencies held by the 3 deputy speakers, none of whom will vote in Parliamentary divisions. Are they being denied proper representation in the HoC ? Yes of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 19 November, 2019 Share Posted 19 November, 2019 It made complete sense for the previous HOC to elect the speaker. Apart from one or two exceptions they had all served with the candidates for the length of the parliament. They’d all seen their strengths, characteristics and behaviour. The new parliament could contain 150 newbies who wouldn’t have a clue whether or not Lynsey Hoyle or one of the others would make a good speaker. They would also be under pressure on their first day, without having to pick a speaker. Yet again Soggy fails to see common sense. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Given that 650 MPs are returned there will always be plenty of experienced people to choose from. Also why do the Speakers have to be MPs? Why not have experienced civil servants doing the job? That way every MP is properly elected and every MP gets to vote on issues in the House. Given the way you carry on about “democracy” I would have thought you would be in total agreement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 19 November, 2019 Share Posted 19 November, 2019 That way every MP is properly elected and every MP gets to vote on issues in the House. Even allowing for Sinn Fein, there are many divisions in the HoC where not every MP votes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 19 November, 2019 Author Share Posted 19 November, 2019 I'm very disappointed about the exclusion from tonight's ITV election debate of the Liberal Democrats and Jo Swinson. They deserve to be seen on prime time national television. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 19 November, 2019 Share Posted 19 November, 2019 One for Fry Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Her support seems to be strengthening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 19 November, 2019 Share Posted 19 November, 2019 Even allowing for Sinn Fein, there are many divisions in the HoC where not every MP votes. That would usually be by choice would it not? The Speaker doesn’t have a choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 19 November, 2019 Share Posted 19 November, 2019 That would usually be by choice would it not? The Speaker doesn’t have a choice. There are many things wrong with our electoral / democratic / Parliamentary system, most of which are more critical than whether the Speaker's constituents are being short changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 19 November, 2019 Share Posted 19 November, 2019 There are many things wrong with our electoral / democratic / Parliamentary system, most of which are more critical than whether the Speaker's constituents are being short changed. I don’t disagree but thought it worth a mention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 19 November, 2019 Share Posted 19 November, 2019 I have been a political reporter for almost three decades and have never encountered a senior British politician who lies and fabricates so regularly, so shamelessly and so systematically as Boris Johnson. Per Peter Oborne who wrote the book on political lying. Calling Brett from Camden aka Batman to serve up his daily dish of whataboutery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 19 November, 2019 Share Posted 19 November, 2019 Just read that Johnson has called the plan to give everyone free broadband a Communist plot. I am sure that he is aware that the only way you can claim Universal Credit is online. Hmmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 19 November, 2019 Share Posted 19 November, 2019 Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 19 November, 2019 Share Posted 19 November, 2019 How many times will this cnt say oven ready? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 19 November, 2019 Share Posted 19 November, 2019 And this fcking audience. Have it in silence please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 19 November, 2019 Share Posted 19 November, 2019 Can’t believe our choice is between either of these c*nts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 19 November, 2019 Share Posted 19 November, 2019 Despite the two debating.... The audience is horrendous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 19 November, 2019 Share Posted 19 November, 2019 What an absolute farce this has been. Pathetic moderator has no control at all, Johnson is just blustering his way through difficult questions with sound bites, Corbyn follows suit and refuses to answer direct questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 19 November, 2019 Share Posted 19 November, 2019 Love Corbyn’s new makeover. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 19 November, 2019 Share Posted 19 November, 2019 Johnson didn’t answer his question about the importance of truth. What a surprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 19 November, 2019 Share Posted 19 November, 2019 What an absolute farce this has been. Pathetic moderator has no control at all, Johnson is just blustering his way through difficult questions with sound bites, Corbyn follows suit and refuses to answer direct questions. Johnson always gets off lightly from interviewers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 19 November, 2019 Share Posted 19 November, 2019 A year ago he stated categorically that there would be no border down the Irish Sea. How can you trust his “word” on the NHS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 19 November, 2019 Author Share Posted 19 November, 2019 My god, what a pair of absolute tits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 19 November, 2019 Share Posted 19 November, 2019 It’s ****ing embarrassing that these two are the best our country can come up with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 19 November, 2019 Share Posted 19 November, 2019 My god, what a pair of absolute tits. Swinson again? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 19 November, 2019 Share Posted 19 November, 2019 Members of the audience jeering when Corbyn mentions the poor. WTF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 19 November, 2019 Share Posted 19 November, 2019 Love Corbyn’s new makeover. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Hilarious Duckie. Your man didn’t cover himself in glory did he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 19 November, 2019 Share Posted 19 November, 2019 ****ing hell how have we ended up in a position where the choice is between these two ****s neither of them is fit to run this country Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 19 November, 2019 Share Posted 19 November, 2019 Members of the audience jeering when Corbyn mentions the poor. WTF? Strangest part of the whole debate that. Booing people for having the audacity to be poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 19 November, 2019 Share Posted 19 November, 2019 Members of the audience jeering when Corbyn mentions the poor. WTF? Boris is playing a blinder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 19 November, 2019 Share Posted 19 November, 2019 Strangest part of the whole debate that. Booing people for having the audacity to be poor. Especially as it was mentioned in the context of climate change, and Corbyn is right, poorer countries are going to suffer much more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 19 November, 2019 Share Posted 19 November, 2019 Awful format. What is the obsession with audience participation and the host butting in every few minutes , it’s made QT unwatchable and these debates are a joke. The stupid Xmas question just about summed it up. Suspect this won’t change the polls, which is ultimately good news for the Tories. But the sooner these debates are binned the better all round. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 19 November, 2019 Share Posted 19 November, 2019 Especially as it was mentioned in the context of climate change, and Corbyn is right, poorer countries are going to suffer much more. Why would anyone who has seen the interviews of people flooded out of their homes think it appropriate to boo at that point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 19 November, 2019 Share Posted 19 November, 2019 Agreed, the audience should be banned. As for performance I can’t imagine anyone will be changing their vote from one to the other after that. Two very weak attempts at canvassing. At best just entrenching views. Overall Corbyn was slightly better but massively let down by his refusal to answer the Brexit polling question. very weak format and the moderator was truly terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 19 November, 2019 Share Posted 19 November, 2019 Awful format. What is the obsession with audience participation and the host butting in every few minutes , it’s made QT unwatchable and these debates are a joke. The stupid Xmas question just about summed it up. Suspect this won’t change the polls, which is ultimately good news for the Tories. But the sooner these debates are binned the better all round. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk The host wasn’t great but then if they don’t answer the question or talk too long she had to do something. Agree about the audience. It adds atmosphere to the proceedings but they do distract from the responses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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