General Election 2019 - Post Match Reaction

[LGTL]

I'm not embarrassed at all at your pathetic dissembling, Gavin, or the attempts of your cohort remoaners to try and put words into my mouth. I find it all very amusing sometimes and boring on other occasions. This is one of those boring occasions.

 

You really do need to raise your game, Gavin. I'm quite happy to count down the days until the 12th December. Where Musk builds his factory isn't going to influence the vote on the day, so stop p*ssing in the wind.

 

You’re well out of your depth up against him, and everyone can see it regardless of their opinion on Brexit.

 

Best to leave it.

[Batman]

High profile casualties from this election?

 

Swinson could be one.

[doddisalegend]

High profile casualties from this election?

 

Swinson could be one.

 

So could Boris wasn't his majority in Uxbridge slashed in half at the 2017 election? It would be kind of funny if the Tories won the election and Boris lost his seat.

[sadoldgit]

So could Boris wasn't his majority in Uxbridge slashed in half at the 2017 election? It would be kind of funny if the Tories won the election and Boris lost his seat.

 

There is a big student community in that area. Fingers crossed!

[Lord Duckhunter]

Party leaders tend to get a bit of a boost in their own constituencies during election campaign, lots of publicity & limelight. I’d be amazed if either lost their seats.

 

 

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[Batman]

Party leaders tend to get a bit of a boost in their own constituencies during election campaign, lots of publicity & limelight. I’d be amazed if either lost their seats.

 

 

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I think Swinson will be a casualty after the election.

She had made huge statements about lots of things, and given the state of labour, she should be swiping seats from them all over the place.

 

I don’t think her message is good outside of those who would vote for her traditionally anyway (which is not a lot)

[whelk]

High profile casualties from this election?

 

Swinson could be one.

 

Sorry read that twice and still can’t see the tits gag

[sadoldgit]

It’s a nonsense that the Speaker gets a free ride. They should chose a Speaker from those who are elected after the GE.

[whelk]

It’s a nonsense that the Speaker gets a free ride. They should chose a Speaker from those who are elected after the GE.

 

And reduce a vote from one party?

[badgerx16]

It’s a nonsense that the Speaker gets a free ride.

Why ? He / she can't vote in conventional Commons divisions, so theoretically the party they previously supported loses an MP.

[Lord Duckhunter]

It made complete sense for the previous HOC to elect the speaker. Apart from one or two exceptions they had all served with the candidates for the length of the parliament. They’d all seen their strengths, characteristics and behaviour. The new parliament could contain 150 newbies who wouldn’t have a clue whether or not Lynsey Hoyle or one of the others would make a good speaker.

They would also be under pressure on their first day, without having to pick a speaker.

 

 

Yet again Soggy fails to see common sense.

 

 

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[sadoldgit]

Why ? He / she can't vote in conventional Commons divisions, so theoretically the party they previously supported loses an MP.

 

Because their constituency don’t get a meaningful vote.

[badgerx16]

Because their constituency don’t get a meaningful vote.

A significant proportion of the electorate don't get a 'meaningful' vote under FPTP.

[sadoldgit]

A significant proportion of the electorate don't get a 'meaningful' vote under FPTP.

 

They still get to vote for a candidate of their choice.

[badgerx16]

They still get to vote for a candidate of their choice.

 

And what of the electorate in the constituencies held by the 3 deputy speakers, none of whom will vote in Parliamentary divisions. Are they being denied proper representation in the HoC ?

[Jonnyboy]

And what of the electorate in the constituencies held by the 3 deputy speakers, none of whom will vote in Parliamentary divisions. Are they being denied proper representation in the HoC ?

 

Clearly they are.

[Lord Duckhunter]

One for Fry

 

 

 

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[sadoldgit]

And what of the electorate in the constituencies held by the 3 deputy speakers, none of whom will vote in Parliamentary divisions. Are they being denied proper representation in the HoC ?

 

Yes of course

[sadoldgit]

It made complete sense for the previous HOC to elect the speaker. Apart from one or two exceptions they had all served with the candidates for the length of the parliament. They’d all seen their strengths, characteristics and behaviour. The new parliament could contain 150 newbies who wouldn’t have a clue whether or not Lynsey Hoyle or one of the others would make a good speaker.

They would also be under pressure on their first day, without having to pick a speaker.

 

 

Yet again Soggy fails to see common sense.

 

 

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Given that 650 MPs are returned there will always be plenty of experienced people to choose from. Also why do the Speakers have to be MPs? Why not have experienced civil servants doing the job? That way every MP is properly elected and every MP gets to vote on issues in the House. Given the way you carry on about “democracy” I would have thought you would be in total agreement.

[badgerx16]

That way every MP is properly elected and every MP gets to vote on issues in the House.

Even allowing for Sinn Fein, there are many divisions in the HoC where not every MP votes.

[CB Fry]

I'm very disappointed about the exclusion from tonight's ITV election debate of the Liberal Democrats and Jo Swinson.

 

They deserve to be seen on prime time national television.

[badgerx16]

One for Fry

 

 

 

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Her support seems to be strengthening.

[sadoldgit]

Even allowing for Sinn Fein, there are many divisions in the HoC where not every MP votes.

 

That would usually be by choice would it not? The Speaker doesn’t have a choice.

[badgerx16]

That would usually be by choice would it not? The Speaker doesn’t have a choice.

There are many things wrong with our electoral / democratic / Parliamentary system, most of which are more critical than whether the Speaker's constituents are being short changed.

[sadoldgit]

There are many things wrong with our electoral / democratic / Parliamentary system, most of which are more critical than whether the Speaker's constituents are being short changed.

 

I don’t disagree but thought it worth a mention.

[shurlock]

I have been a political reporter for almost three decades and have never encountered a senior British politician who lies and fabricates so regularly, so shamelessly and so systematically as Boris Johnson.

 

Per Peter Oborne who wrote the book on political lying. Calling Brett from Camden aka Batman to serve up his daily dish of whataboutery.

[sadoldgit]

Just read that Johnson has called the plan to give everyone free broadband a Communist plot.

 

I am sure that he is aware that the only way you can claim Universal Credit is online.

 

 

Hmmmm

[Lord Duckhunter]

 

 

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[whelk]

How many times will this cnt say oven ready?

[whelk]

And this fcking audience. Have it in silence please

[aintforever]

Can’t believe our choice is between either of these c*nts

[Batman]

Despite the two debating....

 

The audience is horrendous

[The Kraken]

What an absolute farce this has been. Pathetic moderator has no control at all, Johnson is just blustering his way through difficult questions with sound bites, Corbyn follows suit and refuses to answer direct questions.

[Lord Duckhunter]

Love Corbyn’s new makeover.

 

 

 

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[sadoldgit]

Johnson didn’t answer his question about the importance of truth. What a surprise.

[Jonnyboy]

What an absolute farce this has been. Pathetic moderator has no control at all, Johnson is just blustering his way through difficult questions with sound bites, Corbyn follows suit and refuses to answer direct questions.

 

Johnson always gets off lightly from interviewers.

[sadoldgit]

A year ago he stated categorically that there would be no border down the Irish Sea. How can you trust his “word” on the NHS?

[CB Fry]

My god, what a pair of absolute tits.

[aintforever]

It’s ****ing embarrassing that these two are the best our country can come up with.

[Lord Duckhunter]

My god, what a pair of absolute tits.

 

Swinson again?

 

 

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[sadoldgit]

Members of the audience jeering when Corbyn mentions the poor. WTF?

[sadoldgit]

Love Corbyn’s new makeover.

 

 

 

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Hilarious Duckie. Your man didn’t cover himself in glory did he?

[doddisalegend]

****ing hell how have we ended up in a position where the choice is between these two ****s neither of them is fit to run this country

[LGTL]

Members of the audience jeering when Corbyn mentions the poor. WTF?

 

Strangest part of the whole debate that. Booing people for having the audacity to be poor.

[shurlock]

Members of the audience jeering when Corbyn mentions the poor. WTF?

 

Boris is playing a blinder.

[aintforever]

Strangest part of the whole debate that. Booing people for having the audacity to be poor.

 

Especially as it was mentioned in the context of climate change, and Corbyn is right, poorer countries are going to suffer much more.

[Lord Duckhunter]

Awful format. What is the obsession with audience participation and the host butting in every few minutes , it’s made QT unwatchable and these debates are a joke. The stupid Xmas question just about summed it up.

 

Suspect this won’t change the polls, which is ultimately good news for the Tories. But the sooner these debates are binned the better all round.

 

 

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[sadoldgit]

Especially as it was mentioned in the context of climate change, and Corbyn is right, poorer countries are going to suffer much more.

 

Why would anyone who has seen the interviews of people flooded out of their homes think it appropriate to boo at that point?

[The Kraken]

Agreed, the audience should be banned.

 

As for performance I can’t imagine anyone will be changing their vote from one to the other after that. Two very weak attempts at canvassing. At best just entrenching views. Overall Corbyn was slightly better but massively let down by his refusal to answer the Brexit polling question.

 

very weak format and the moderator was truly terrible.

[sadoldgit]

Awful format. What is the obsession with audience participation and the host butting in every few minutes , it’s made QT unwatchable and these debates are a joke. The stupid Xmas question just about summed it up.

 

Suspect this won’t change the polls, which is ultimately good news for the Tories. But the sooner these debates are binned the better all round.

 

 

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The host wasn’t great but then if they don’t answer the question or talk too long she had to do something. Agree about the audience. It adds atmosphere to the proceedings but they do distract from the responses.