General Election 2019 - Post Match Reaction

[badgerx16]

#draintheswamp

 

#ChangeTheF-ingTune, you are getting a tad repetitive.

[stknowle]

Just seen the Liberal Democrats Party Political Broadcast which featured Jo Swinson jogging the streets in her gym gear.

 

I have to say that I am very impressed with her fantastic support.

 

Trying to attract swing voters.

[whelk]

Merit based? So men have more merit than women? Surely it doesn’t come down to anything other than two people doing the same job should get the same money?

 

Yeah fine all these companies that don’t want high performing women and will pay lazy blokes more.

Gullible goon.

[whelk]

You think that the gender pay gap is ok? Surely it is basic discrimination?

 

I get paid loads more than my missus. She is fine with that as has chosen looking after the family as a priority. She does not feel oppressed or under paid.

Annoying how many people want to assume contentedness is maximising wealth.

[sadoldgit]

I get paid loads more than my missus. She is fine with that as has chosen looking after the family as a priority. She does not feel oppressed or under paid.

Annoying how many people want to assume contentedness is maximising wealth.

 

I am assuming you aren’t doing the same job?

[hypochondriac]

I am assuming you aren’t doing the same job?

The wage gap is simply the average earnings of men and women working full time. It does not count for different job positions, hours worked or different jobs. It has nothing to do with the same job. It has nothing to do with discrimination.

[whelk]

I like the thought of free broadband and BT getting fcked

[Wes Tender]

Hospital waiting lists at their worst ever level.

 

Boris and the Tories still playing a blinder?

 

For any number of reasons. But a simple question for you; will the waiting times increase or decrease if NHS working hours were cut by the Marxist?

[hypochondriac]

For any number of reasons. But a simple question for you; will the waiting times increase or decrease if NHS working hours were cut by the Marxist?

Not to mention the open door immigration policy.

[shurlock]

Not to mention the open door immigration policy.

 

What do you mean by open door immigration policy?

[sadoldgit]

For any number of reasons. But a simple question for you; will the waiting times increase or decrease if NHS working hours were cut by the Marxist?

 

By the Marxist? Do you think that you achieve anything with your constant petty name calling? If staff numbers increase why would waiting times get worse? Instead of throwing around Sun type insults, perhaps you should address the selling off of the NHS and myriad of other problems the Tories have caused over the best part of the last decade. You can deflect all you like, but we are where we are because of your party, nobody else. Not even The Marxist.

[Guided Missile]

Not to mention the open door immigration policy.

It wasn't a Marxist that was responsible for this. It was that well known war criminal, Blair, aided by his fellow Scot and cut price gold salesman, Brown. In the 10-year period under Blair's stewardship, Labour passed four migration-related Parliamentary Acts (laws) and a fifth Parliamentary Bill. That rate of lawmaking surpassed that of every other social policy area. Labour also developed policy in often controversial directions, such as the decision to allow nationals of new European Union (EU) Member States in Eastern Europe to work in the UK. The result?

 

Net Migration to the UK, 1971 to 2005

 

 

It will take a generation to fix the problems the Blair/Brown government caused the UK. For those that don't like my punctuation, or have problems with comprehension, a picture tells a thousand stories:

 

 

 

 

Still, as Pete Townshend sung, "We Won't Get Fooled Again". A better song than "Things Can Only Get Better", in my opinion....

 

[hypochondriac]

What do you mean by open door immigration policy?

Labour want to continue and extend freedom of movement, prevent any blocking of services to migrants, give all immigrants voting rights and effectively end any sort of attempt to control immigration by looking at numbers.

[Wes Tender]

By the Marxist? Do you think that you achieve anything with your constant petty name calling? If staff numbers increase why would waiting times get worse? Instead of throwing around Sun type insults, perhaps you should address the selling off of the NHS and myriad of other problems the Tories have caused over the best part of the last decade. You can deflect all you like, but we are where we are because of your party, nobody else. Not even The Marxist.

 

Increased staff numbers will be countered by shorter working hours, so we would be no further forward under Labour. Isn't Corbyn a Marxist? I thought that I had read somewhere that he himself admitted it. What description do you think fits him best politically? Is it petty name calling? Marxist is a label describing an affiliation to a political stance, much as one nation Tory, Brexiteer and Remoaner are.

 

So I'll go on calling a spade a spade, regardless of whether it annoys you; or even because it does.

[hypochondriac]

By the Marxist? Do you think that you achieve anything with your constant petty name calling? If staff numbers increase why would waiting times get worse? Instead of throwing around Sun type insults, perhaps you should address the selling off of the NHS and myriad of other problems the Tories have caused over the best part of the last decade. You can deflect all you like, but we are where we are because of your party, nobody else. Not even The Marxist.

That's a bit rich considering you bandy about "far right" epithets to anyone who disagrees with you! A large reason for the problems of the NHS are simply down to the amount of immigrants that have come here in the last twenty years. The NHS has not been underfunded as Labour claim, its seen massive spending but the numbers using the service have risen hugely. Its simply unsustainable in the long term and Labour promising to outspend the tories on the NHS isn't the answer. Controlling our population size to a greater degree would go some way to resolving the crisis and the numbers back that up.

[buctootim]

It wasn't a Marxist that was responsible for this. It was that well known war criminal, Blair, aided by his fellow Scot and cut price gold salesman, Brown. In the 10-year period under Blair's stewardship, Labour passed four migration-related Parliamentary Acts (laws) and a fifth Parliamentary Bill. That rate of lawmaking surpassed that of every other social policy area. Labour also developed policy in often controversial directions, such as the decision to allow nationals of new European Union (EU) Member States in Eastern Europe to work in the UK. The result?

 

Net Migration to the UK, 1971 to 2005

 

 

Still, as Pete Townshend sung, "We Won't Get Fooled Again". A better song than "Things Can Only Get Better", in my opinion....

 

Nah. You get fooled repeatedly. As Brexiteers were warned reducing EU immigration wont make any difference because the government will just let in more non EU nationals. Under the Tories non EU migration has doubled since 2013. No doubt you also buy the line that they're all super skilled workers adding to GDP but in fact the large majority of visas issued are for family members of people already here and unskilled students who don't return home.

Edited 15 November, 2019 by buctootim

[Wes Tender]

The girl Swinson is the gift that keeps on giving. Her latest ruse following on from the Lib Dumbs policy of ignoring the referendum vote, is to reinforce the message that they aren't democrats by amending their title on the ballot paper. They have permission from the Electoral Commission for it to state "Liberal Democrats - to stop Brexit".

 

I think that the precedent having been set, the Tories should follow suit and have "Conservative Party - get Brexit done."

 

Labour can have "Labour Party - for Leave in the north, Remain in the south".

 

Actually, it's a bad idea to believe that the electorate don't realise what your party's policy on Brexit is and that they need to be told. It's patronising, something that they are very good at.

[sadoldgit]

Increased staff numbers will be countered by shorter working hours, so we would be no further forward under Labour. Isn't Corbyn a Marxist? I thought that I had read somewhere that he himself admitted it. What description do you think fits him best politically? Is it petty name calling? Marxist is a label describing an affiliation to a political stance, much as one nation Tory, Brexiteer and Remoaner are.

 

So I'll go on calling a spade a spade, regardless of whether it annoys you; or even because it does.

 

So what. We are no more likely to become a Marxist country under Corbyn than we are likely to all become serial adulterers under Johnson. Just the usual right wing demonisation of Labour in this country. Deal with the policies. Do you honestly believe that we are suddenly going to be working a 4 day week if Labour win power? They have said themselves it is an aspiration and that it would need to be looked at in more detail. Back in the 80s we were told that shorter working weeks were coming and the opposite happened. All parties are throwing kitchen sinks at us in order to get our votes. Truth is we don’t know what a Labour government would bring in teal terms, but we do know what a Tory government has done to this country for the last 9 years and it is hardly something to be proud of. All you do is name call and deflect and that is because of the appalling legacy of the Tory government for the best part of the last decade.

[hypochondriac]

That's an interesting slogan- vote labour. They probably won't be able to implement many of their policies anyway.

[rallyboy]

The last person I heard blaming immigrants for the underfunding of the NHS was the respected political analyst and social commentator Chubby Brown.

[Wes Tender]

So what. We are no more likely to become a Marxist country under Corbyn than we are likely to all become serial adulterers under Johnson.

 

Have you been smoking the whacky baccy? I'm seriously worried about your sanity if you are unable to differentiate between the effects of a Prime Minister on the country both politically and morally and to place them on the same level of parity. We have had adulterers as Prime minister before and I would suggest to you that their private behaviour didn't have any effect on their political stance. Personally, I'd prefer the adulterer to the Marxist as PM if that was the choice you think there is.

 

The trouble with Labour's aspirational policies, is that they portray them as fact, as in "we will seek to abolish student university charges", and the gullible are taken in by them. You're extremely naive if you don't know what an extreme left wing government would do to the economy. Corbyn and McDonnell are far further to the left than the Labour lot who ruined the economy under Wilson, Healey and Callaghan, nationalising everything, raising taxes to pay for it, high inflation, going cap in hand to the IMF to borrow to pay for it, allowing the unions to run the country. Your moniker suggests that you might be old enough to remember those times, as I do. Perhaps you are old enough, but getting forgetful in your old age, or maybe you loved that red in tooth and claw socialism then, and want something even more extreme now; who knows what goes on in your mind?

[Batman]

The last person I heard blaming immigrants for the underfunding of the NHS was the respected political analyst and social commentator Chubby Brown.

 

Is it not a legitimate concern. How do you provide a national health service that is paid for by 50m people but available to an unlimited number?

[Batman]

Sweepstake on what Labour will nationalise next?

 

Shopping? Nights out? Saints web?

[badgerx16]

GM, "Won't get fooled again" is a song against all political parties.

[badgerx16]

Drove past the house of a local former Tory MP this morning, and there were several Vote Labour signs lining his fence.

[Wes Tender]

Drove past the house of a local former Tory MP this morning, and there were several Vote Labour signs lining his fence.

 

Maybe he had moved. Perhaps it was his former house. Maybe he was away and his idiot kids are Momentum supporters.

[buctootim]

Is it not a legitimate concern. How do you provide a national health service that is paid for by 50m people but available to an unlimited number?

 

Doh.

1. 60% of health and social services are consumed by the over 65s - exactly the group who pay least tax.

2. Immigrants are overwhelmingly of working age. They pay the tax the funds the NHS and many of them staff it.

 

Successive governments have used immigration as an easy sticking plaster for all kinds of structural problems in the UK education system and economy and to keep companies who demand low wage workers happy. It aint going to change anytime soon no matter who you vote for.

[Fan The Flames]

Have you been smoking the whacky baccy? I'm seriously worried about your sanity if you are unable to differentiate between the effects of a Prime Minister on the country both politically and morally and to place them on the same level of parity. We have had adulterers as Prime minister before and I would suggest to you that their private behaviour didn't have any effect on their political stance. Personally, I'd prefer the adulterer to the Marxist as PM if that was the choice you think there is.

 

He wasn't equating them, he was simply illustrating the likelihood of one happening by comparing it with the other. Obvs.

[hypochondriac]

Doh.

1. 60% of health and social services are consumed by the over 65s - exactly the group who pay least tax.

2. Immigrants are overwhelmingly of working age. They pay the tax the funds the NHS and many of them staff it.

 

Successive governments have used immigration as an easy sticking plaster for all kinds of structural problems in the UK education system and economy and to keep companies who demand low wage workers happy. It aint going to change anytime soon no matter who you vote for.

Is there a link between skyrocketing NHS demand and big increases in immigration?

[hypochondriac]

The last person I heard blaming immigrants for the underfunding of the NHS was the respected political analyst and social commentator Chubby Brown.

Is it not at least a factor? Or is it borderline rcist to even suggest that?

[sadoldgit]

Have you been smoking the whacky baccy? I'm seriously worried about your sanity if you are unable to differentiate between the effects of a Prime Minister on the country both politically and morally and to place them on the same level of parity. We have had adulterers as Prime minister before and I would suggest to you that their private behaviour didn't have any effect on their political stance. Personally, I'd prefer the adulterer to the Marxist as PM if that was the choice you think there is.

 

The trouble with Labour's aspirational policies, is that they portray them as fact, as in "we will seek to abolish student university charges", and the gullible are taken in by them. You're extremely naive if you don't know what an extreme left wing government would do to the economy. Corbyn and McDonnell are far further to the left than the Labour lot who ruined the economy under Wilson, Healey and Callaghan, nationalising everything, raising taxes to pay for it, high inflation, going cap in hand to the IMF to borrow to pay for it, allowing the unions to run the country. Your moniker suggests that you might be old enough to remember those times, as I do. Perhaps you are old enough, but getting forgetful in your old age, or maybe you loved that red in tooth and claw socialism then, and want something even more extreme now; who knows what goes on in your mind?

 

Although it may seem like it at the moment under the Johnson/Cummings alliance, we do not live in a dictatorship. There is absolutely no chance of us becoming a Marxist country under Corbyn or anyone else. As for a lurch to the left, after 9 years of austerity and little expenditure on public services and the infrastructure, the country is probably ready for a bit of radical socialism. You should believe all you read in the Mail, Express, Sun, Telegraph and Times.

[sadoldgit]

He wasn't equating them, he was simply illustrating the likelihood of one happening by comparing it with the other. Obvs.

 

You would think it was obvious wouldn’t you?

[aintforever]

This election is like a depressing return to the 80s - a choice between a bunch of utter c*nts who sow misery and division and a load of fools who want to make everything free and ruin the economy.

 

I can't forsee any good outcome, I guess the least worst possible would be a hung parliament and some sort of coalition.

[Wes Tender]

Although it may seem like it at the moment under the Johnson/Cummings alliance, we do not live in a dictatorship. There is absolutely no chance of us becoming a Marxist country under Corbyn or anyone else. As for a lurch to the left, after 9 years of austerity and little expenditure on public services and the infrastructure, the country is probably ready for a bit of radical socialism. You should believe all you read in the Mail, Express, Sun, Telegraph and Times.

 

The 9 years of austerity were brought about by Labour's profligacy. Do you remember the Labour governments of Wilson and Callaghan? The Winter of Discontent? Want it even worse with a more extreme Marxist PM?

 

And thanks for the recommendation that I should believe all I read in those publications. I take much of it with a pinch of salt, but you've persuaded me that I should believe it all.

[Lord Duckhunter]

Is there a link between skyrocketing NHS demand and big increases in immigration?

 

If you think the NHS is bad now, wait until they’re all working a 4 day week.

 

No proper controls on immigration + staff working 1 day less a week isn’t going to make the service better, no matter how much cash you chuck at it.

 

 

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[sadoldgit]

If you think the NHS is bad now, wait until they’re all working a 4 day week.

 

No proper controls on immigration + staff working 1 day less a week isn’t going to make the service better, no matter how much cash you chuck at it.

 

 

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So you think that all hospitals and surgeries will close one day a week? You sound more like a Sun editorial every day.

[sadoldgit]

The 9 years of austerity were brought about by Labour's profligacy. Do you remember the Labour governments of Wilson and Callaghan? The Winter of Discontent? Want it even worse with a more extreme Marxist PM?

 

And thanks for the recommendation that I should believe all I read in those publications. I take much of it with a pinch of salt, but you've persuaded me that I should believe it all.

 

No, your party had a choice and chose austerity. I can’t believe that some Tories are still trying to wriggle out of taking responsibility for the state of the country after 9 years of Tory policies. The world has moved on massively since the days of Wilson, but at least we used to make things then. Now, to paraphrase Bonaparte, we have become a nation of baristas.

[Batman]

So you think that all hospitals and surgeries will close one day a week? You sound more like a Sun editorial every day.

 

As said, majority (all in some NHS trusts) elective surgery’s (for example) only happen on a Mon - Fri. That is with the NHS Max’d out.

 

Be a right laugh if the hours were cut further

[sadoldgit]

As said, majority (all in some NHS trusts) elective surgery’s (for example) only happen on a Mon - Fri. That is with the NHS Max’d out.

 

Be a right laugh if the hours were cut further

 

Why would they be if the NHS employed more staff? We have had this conversation already. My local hospital is open at weekends and my local surgery is open on Sunday mornings.

 

Also no one has said that the NHS will work a 4 day week. They have said people should be entitled to work a 4 day week and they will look into how that will work.

[Weston Super Saint]

Why would they be if the NHS employed more staff?

 

Do you live in a mushroom field under a rock?

 

Surely you've noticed the ongoing recruitment issues within the NHS and the current lack of trained staff? Where, exactly, are the 'more people' going to be coming from?

[Guided Missile]

Meanwhile:

 

 

[Wes Tender]

So you think that all hospitals and surgeries will close one day a week? You sound more like a Sun editorial every day.

 

Of course, he didn't say that, did he? If you had any intelligence, you will realise that it is possible for staff in an organisation to work a four day week and for that organisation to operate every day of the week. Want to hazard a guess as to how that can be so? I'll wait for the clang when the penny drops. Of course, this will require more staff in order to operate at the same level of service, or a mix of more staff and some staff working longer hours than the four days at overtime rates. Either way, it will cost the NHS more than it does at the moment. Never fear though; Corbyn will simply shake the magic money tree, the infinite source of wealth that is the super rich billionaires and multi national corporations. Those who will either take themselves and their wealth elsewhere, or find ways to avoid paying. As usual under Labour, they are experts at spending other people's (our) money and then saying that the NHS is free, when all of us pay for it out of taxation. Increased NHS running costs = higher taxation.

[ecuk268]

Studies in the US, Sweden and New Zealand has shown companies adopting a 4-day week have seen productivity increases of around 20% as well as a happier workforce.

 

it may not be practical for all types of work but the idea that if people work less hours then they will produce less is a simplistic view.

[Wes Tender]

the country is probably ready for a bit of radical socialism. You should believe all you read in the Mail, Express, Sun, Telegraph and Times.

 

I've taken your advice and now believe all I read in the Mail.

 

When you said that the country is probably ready for a bit of radical socialism, were you thinking of what McDonnell could do in that direction?

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7590207/John-McDonnell-misled-public-finances-Britains-biggest-council.html

[shurlock]

Is it not a legitimate concern. How do you provide a national health service that is paid for by 50m people but available to an unlimited number?

 

Most studies agree that migrants from the EU/EEA put more into the public purse than they take out, so yes they can fund their use of public services and more. Learn to think for yourself Jamie.

Edited 15 November, 2019 by shurlock

[sadoldgit]

I've taken your advice and now believe all I read in the Mail.

 

When you said that the country is probably ready for a bit of radical socialism, were you thinking of what McDonnell could do in that direction?

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7590207/John-McDonnell-misled-public-finances-Britains-biggest-council.html

 

Good for you! I was talking about a change in approach and a government that cares about the whole of society rather than a select few. If you are happy living in a country with food banks, fair enough. I have seen at first hand what your party has done to the NHS and the Criminal Justice System. I have sat with my wife as she has tried to navigate the Universal Credit system, without success. It is time for a change. Your lot have failed miserably. Maybe Labour will also fail, but if they manage to overturn half the damage the Tory have done in the last 9 years, some of us will see that as a massive success.

[badgerx16]

Maybe he had moved. Perhaps it was his former house. Maybe he was away and his idiot kids are Momentum supporters.

 

No, it is his house, he still lives there. HTH.

[badgerx16]

Is there a link between skyrocketing NHS demand and big increases in immigration?

Under funding and an aging population might have something to do with it.

[badgerx16]

Where, exactly, are the 'more people' going to be coming from?

The EU?; -)

[shurlock]

Under funding and an aging population might have something to do with it.

 

Out of the high income G7 countries, only Italy spends a lower share of GDP on health than the UK; yet the dim rightwingers on here will get all angry about EU migrants and freedom of movement; then clap their hands like performing chimps when Boris throws a few bandaids at the NHS, happily excusing the government’s role in the wider funding crisis. He’s got them wrapped around his little finger.

 

#blinder

Edited 15 November, 2019 by shurlock