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Whilst on the subject of managers…past,present or otherwise…..

Adkins once again faltering and getting stick from Charlton fans. 
just goes to show how blessed he was to have the abundance of talent,facilities he had with us. 
yet still managed to throw away the opportunities to win a league title. 
his messiah like status by many here becomes more and more ill judged. 
 

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32 minutes ago, saint lard said:

Whilst on the subject of managers…past,present or otherwise…..

Adkins once again faltering and getting stick from Charlton fans. 
just goes to show how blessed he was to have the abundance of talent,facilities he had with us. 
yet still managed to throw away the opportunities to win a league title. 
his messiah like status by many here becomes more and more ill judged. 
 

Not really on topic whatsoever but another opportunity to prove that you're a tediously boring twat. Whatever any manager does anywhere else before or after his time at SFC is a complete irrelevance.

You desperately wanted Adkins to fail and you still can't stand it that he didn't. Even when he delivered two of the greatest seasons this club had lived through. 

Those seasons were just delicious. Absolutely delicious. So sorry that they upset you so x x x x x x x 

 

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1 hour ago, saint lard said:

Whilst on the subject of managers…past,present or otherwise…..

Adkins once again faltering and getting stick from Charlton fans. 
just goes to show how blessed he was to have the abundance of talent,facilities he had with us. 
yet still managed to throw away the opportunities to win a league title. 
his messiah like status by many here becomes more and more ill judged. 
 

Totally agree - just like Gordon Strachan and Lawrie Mac, all were proven to be absolute frauds on the basis of their records after leaving us. If only we had competent managers in charge. But thanks to those buffoons, we will never truly know whether we could have benefitted from the delights of promotion, European qualification or even the occasional final.

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4 hours ago, CB Fry said:

Not really on topic whatsoever but another opportunity to prove that you're a tediously boring twat. Whatever any manager does anywhere else before or after his time at SFC is a complete irrelevance.

You desperately wanted Adkins to fail and you still can't stand it that he didn't. Even when he delivered two of the greatest seasons this club had lived through. 

Those seasons were just delicious. Absolutely delicious. So sorry that they upset you so x x x x x x x 

 

So now any manager considered for an appointment at SFC should not be under scrutiny for their past record…..it’s irrelevant according to you.

And with respect and without name calling…I disagree…many were stating he will become the the next England manager and go on to much better things. 
that’s gone well eh!
Those seasons under his tenure should’ve been ‘delicious’ no question about that. But they still fell short of what he could’ve and should’ve achieved with whom he had at his disposal. 

3 hours ago, Ted Bates Statue said:

Totally agree - just like Gordon Strachan and Lawrie Mac, all were proven to be absolute frauds on the basis of their records after leaving us. If only we had competent managers in charge. But thanks to those buffoons, we will never truly know whether we could have benefitted from the delights of promotion, European qualification or even the occasional final.

Regarding Lawrie Mac…we won a cup,whilst being complete underdogs. 
Adkins was given the best squad you could wish for in league one and Championship…but didn’t make the most of it. He failed. 
As for Strachan…he again,made the best of what he had at his disposal and we overachieved. 
Adkins underachieved. 
that’s the only comparison that can be made. 
Mediocre when he arrived,mediocre whilst here….and vilified at his last few clubs. 
hell be out of Charlton soon. 
We should’ve got out of league one and the championship…but on atleast one of those occasions as Champions. 
it wasn’t against the odds like it was under Strachan and Lawrie. 
Far from it. 
he took us as far as he could…runners up in the lower leagues. 
just look at the squad he had…for both league one and the championship.

coming second was failure. 
and that’s why we got rid. 

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39 minutes ago, saint lard said:

So now any manager considered for an appointment at SFC should not be under scrutiny for their past record…..it’s irrelevant according to you.

And with respect and without name calling…I disagree…many were stating he will become the the next England manager and go on to much better things. 
that’s gone well eh!
Those seasons under his tenure should’ve been ‘delicious’ no question about that. But they still fell short of what he could’ve and should’ve achieved with whom he had at his disposal. 

Regarding Lawrie Mac…we won a cup,whilst being complete underdogs. 
Adkins was given the best squad you could wish for in league one and Championship…but didn’t make the most of it. He failed. 
As for Strachan…he again,made the best of what he had at his disposal and we overachieved. 
Adkins underachieved. 
that’s the only comparison that can be made. 
Mediocre when he arrived,mediocre whilst here….and vilified at his last few clubs. 
hell be out of Charlton soon. 
We should’ve got out of league one and the championship…but on atleast one of those occasions as Champions. 
it wasn’t against the odds like it was under Strachan and Lawrie. 
Far from it. 
he took us as far as he could…runners up in the lower leagues. 
just look at the squad he had…for both league one and the championship.

coming second was failure. 
and that’s why we got rid. 

This is just complete fucking drivel but you carry on because we know Adkins lives in your head rent free.

So we all know you're only going to spew all this shite out all over again next time he gets sacked, next time he gets a job, next time he does some co-commentary, next time someone meets him in the street and posts a photo, next time someone just mentions his name on this forum and on the day his death is announced.

So be my guest. Fucking boring though, aint it?

 

 

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53 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

This is just complete fucking drivel but you carry on because we know Adkins lives in your head rent free.

So we all know you're only going to spew all this shite out all over again next time he gets sacked, next time he gets a job, next time he does some co-commentary, next time someone meets him in the street and posts a photo, next time someone just mentions his name on this forum and on the day his death is announced.

So be my guest. Fucking boring though, aint it?

 

 

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The anger in Jos's face, and all those around him practically forming an angry mob, because we only finished second that season is clear to see...

Adkins was a quality manager for us, got us to where we wanted to be (the promised land of TV money), and was replaced by Poch because he was seen as being the next manager to take us to where we wanted to be next.

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9 minutes ago, Fabrice Fernandes no.1 fan said:

The anger in Jos's face, and all those around him practically forming an angry mob, because we only finished second that season is clear to see...

Adkins was a quality manager for us, got us to where we wanted to be (the promised land of TV money), and was replaced by Poch because he was seen as being the next manager to take us to where we wanted to be next.

Exactly. And even then Poch waited until Nige had us playing good football in the prem, and getting the results those performances deserved, before agreeing to come stab him in the back!

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2 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

Not this again. He basically won League 1 and was a whole point with better GD off winning the Championship. A better ref at the Riverside and we’d have won that too. Give it up.

Correct. Nobody thought we were anywhere near certain to get promoted from the Championship , most thought play offs would be a decent return. It’s only with hindsight that people realised what a really good side that was. I don’t think many thought Ricky lambert capable of playing for England when we got out of league 1, or thought 5 or 6  of that squad would prosper in the top flight. Nigel must be given credit for helping develop those players into top professionals, and putting them into a system that brought the best out of them. 

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2 hours ago, CB Fry said:

This is just complete fucking drivel but you carry on because we know Adkins lives in your head rent free.

So we all know you're only going to spew all this shite out all over again next time he gets sacked, next time he gets a job, next time he does some co-commentary, next time someone meets him in the street and posts a photo, next time someone just mentions his name on this forum and on the day his death is announced.

So be my guest. Fucking boring though, aint it?

 

 

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My money is on fat boy Lard going before Nigel

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3 hours ago, saint lard said:

So now any manager considered for an appointment at SFC should not be under scrutiny for their past record…..it’s irrelevant according to you.

And with respect and without name calling…I disagree…many were stating he will become the the next England manager and go on to much better things. 
that’s gone well eh!
Those seasons under his tenure should’ve been ‘delicious’ no question about that. But they still fell short of what he could’ve and should’ve achieved with whom he had at his disposal. 

Regarding Lawrie Mac…we won a cup,whilst being complete underdogs. 
Adkins was given the best squad you could wish for in league one and Championship…but didn’t make the most of it. He failed. 
As for Strachan…he again,made the best of what he had at his disposal and we overachieved. 
Adkins underachieved. 
that’s the only comparison that can be made. 
Mediocre when he arrived,mediocre whilst here….and vilified at his last few clubs. 
hell be out of Charlton soon. 
We should’ve got out of league one and the championship…but on atleast one of those occasions as Champions. 
it wasn’t against the odds like it was under Strachan and Lawrie. 
Far from it. 
he took us as far as he could…runners up in the lower leagues. 
just look at the squad he had…for both league one and the championship.

coming second was failure. 
and that’s why we got rid. 

You're speaking rubbish, as others before have rightly pointed out. Adkins joined before match six of the 2010-11 season. We were 22nd at the time, coming off the back of defeats against Swindon and Rochdale, while Adkins lost his first game in charge against MK Dons. Giving Brighton a slender head start, while ensuring Adkins also had to hit the ground running in terms of his tactics and management of the squad, if we were to have any hopes of the automatic spots that season. He did, winning 27 out of his 41 league matches, on 92 points and just three short of Brighton, who, like I said, had the head start. If it was so easy, like you claim, Pardew would have picked up more than four points from the first three games, and Wilkins wouldn't have managed us to two defeats. 🤷‍♂️

Then, your Championship claim is just ridiculous. Only three clubs in 24 years have won consecutive promotions to the Premier League. We were the last to do so. It's quite the achievement, even if Norwich did do it just the year before. Everyone knows how unpredictable and unforgiving the Championship is, and it's easy to get sucked down there. I don't think many expected us to get promoted at the first time of asking. Lambert, Hammond, Guly and Hooiveld had never played in England's second tier before, while Schneiderlin and Lallana's only experience of it was getting outplayed every week. There were also question marks over Davis and Richardson, given their previous history in the league. Fonte, Cork and Fox were really our only guaranteed Championship quality players before the 2011-12 season. All of these players were obviously the key to our success, but again, on paper, it wasn't plane sailing for Adkins, we weren't the favourites, we weren't expected to get promoted, we were competing against a Sam Allardyce led West Ham side, who were signing experienced pros like Nolan, Faye, Skate Taylor, O'Brien, Carew, Bouba Diop, Bentley and Almunia, and we beat them to the automatics.

We were top of the league for 34/46 of those gameweeks, being pipped by Reading, by a point, after they went on a crazy run, winning 20 out of 24 matches.

It was then after this, that Schneiderlin, Lambert and Lallana became international and Premier League quality.

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1 minute ago, Matthew Le God said:

That is a description of the Tweet, not what a 'Noddy club' is.

It is a lighthearted trivial tweet by one person in the media department. It is nothing to be embarrassed by.

You defending it is just more evidence for the prosecution, to be honest.

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15 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

It’s hardly Big Mal & his fedora. 
 

Mind you, if Ralph let  a soft  porn star into the team bath, it might be the making of some of our boys. Although with our wokies in charge, he’d have his P45 before she’d dried her hair. 

I shudder to think who they would let into the bath in the interest of inclusiveness. Could be a game changer 

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4 hours ago, saint lard said:

Your contribution was invaluable. 🤦🏻
so many blinkered people on here. 
it amuses me greatly. 
he was mildly successful…but failed greatly…and still does. 

Get off it. 

I remember when he was appointed, we all thought it would be Martin O'Neil at the time. That was the chatter, that was the ITK gossip. In light of that rumour Adkins was seen as underwhelming. That doesn't mean he failed though.

He created two of the greatest seasons I've lived through. The season in L1 when we went head to head with Huddersfield was epic, they won, we won, they won, we won. It was ridiculous.

To belittle his achievements because we didn't win the leagues we were in is embarrassing. It strikes of a bitter person and someone desperate to prove that they were right when they said he was a bad manager.

The reality, that is seen by 99.9% of saints fans, and is written in all history books known to man, is that Adkins was a hugely successful manager for us and got us out of L1 and into PL in 3 years. He didn't fail and you hate that he didn't.

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34 minutes ago, Ivan Katalinic's 'tache said:

Speculation/rubbish from The Sun or is Ralph under pressure already? This appeared on the SSN transfer centre yesterday:
 

I had dismissed it as a pre-prepared slow news day story, but the name is a bit too random. Allardyce or Pardew would be a more obvious name for a hack article.

Either Crocker thinks that Hasenhuttl is underperforming, considering the newcomers to the squad, or Steve Cooper's agent is touting him for a new job and putting pressure on other clubs to sign him up. I believe that Hasenhuttl will get until the end of October to justify his continued presence and he's doing ok for now, so my guess is that it's the agent.

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26 minutes ago, Ivan Katalinic's 'tache said:

Speculation/rubbish from The Sun or is Ralph under pressure already? This appeared on the SSN transfer centre yesterday:
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Space filler (on behalf of The Sun) regurgitated by lazy (so called) journalists on a slow news day.

Maybe we do have a short list in the unlikely event that Ralph leaves us/gets abducted by aliens/has some awful accident/incident, etc. If so, maybe Cooper is high on that list. That's about it. I don't think there is any way that Semmens or Crocker will be thinking that consecutive draws against Utd, Newcastle and West Ham is reason to sack Ralph. Especially as the 3 of them have just overseen the summer recruitment, bringing in players to fit Ralph's system(s).

Apart from that, I don't think we would waste what little money we might have to spend in December/the start of next summer on paying off Ralph and his team. Nor should we!

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I think it is just evidence of what Uncle Les always told us. We are always monitoring the market and absolutely clear on the names of the successors for every position on the pitch and in the dugout. We should know who we have lined up for Ralph's successor and also for Ralph's successor's successor. Completely prepared for every eventuality.

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I know we're only supposed to talk about the calendar year table when we're really shit, but we've just gone unbeaten against the top 3 sides of 2021 - the Manchester Clubs and West Ham(!)... 

I didn't see this coming but it's interesting to see this side evolving into a team that's hard to beat, for the first time since Puel left.

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31 minutes ago, Dellman said:

Time to appreciate what Ralph is building. he's cleared out the deadwood and got a young set full of hope. And he's done it without the sort of money others have. Can the cynics and snipers give Ralph and the rest of us a rest, please. 

We can only hope mate 

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1 hour ago, Ted Bates Statue said:

I know we're only supposed to talk about the calendar year table when we're really shit, but we've just gone unbeaten against the top 3 sides of 2021 - the Manchester Clubs and West Ham(!)... 

I didn't see this coming but it's interesting to see this side evolving into a team that's hard to beat, for the first time since Puel left.

And that got Puel the sack due to his boring football. So I expect the knives to be out for Ralph soon

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It’s definitely much improved on the second half of last season. And most importantly for me he’s shown he can get a side set up to defend well and he has a plan B (and possibly C).

Still not going to get carried away just yet - still not won a game yet this season (tough fixtures). Next week v Wolves will give us a much better idea of where we are.

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48 minutes ago, ErwinK1961 said:

It’s definitely much improved on the second half of last season. And most importantly for me he’s shown he can get a side set up to defend well and he has a plan B (and possibly C).

Still not going to get carried away just yet - still not won a game yet this season (tough fixtures). Next week v Wolves will give us a much better idea of where we are.

From memory we don’t do too well against wolves but I do expect a win.

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12 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

The Puel era was a regression from where we were, if we become hard to beat now that's progression. 

Regression. A cup final and an 8th placed finish when you had 3 of your best players sold in the summer, another sold in January and the best centre half in the league out for half a season? Okay then. 

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On 13/09/2021 at 18:26, HarvSFC said:

You're speaking rubbish, as others before have rightly pointed out. Adkins joined before match six of the 2010-11 season. We were 22nd at the time, coming off the back of defeats against Swindon and Rochdale, while Adkins lost his first game in charge against MK Dons. Giving Brighton a slender head start, while ensuring Adkins also had to hit the ground running in terms of his tactics and management of the squad, if we were to have any hopes of the automatic spots that season. He did, winning 27 out of his 41 league matches, on 92 points and just three short of Brighton, who, like I said, had the head start. If it was so easy, like you claim, Pardew would have picked up more than four points from the first three games, and Wilkins wouldn't have managed us to two defeats. 🤷‍♂️

Then, your Championship claim is just ridiculous. Only three clubs in 24 years have won consecutive promotions to the Premier League. We were the last to do so. It's quite the achievement, even if Norwich did do it just the year before. Everyone knows how unpredictable and unforgiving the Championship is, and it's easy to get sucked down there. I don't think many expected us to get promoted at the first time of asking. Lambert, Hammond, Guly and Hooiveld had never played in England's second tier before, while Schneiderlin and Lallana's only experience of it was getting outplayed every week. There were also question marks over Davis and Richardson, given their previous history in the league. Fonte, Cork and Fox were really our only guaranteed Championship quality players before the 2011-12 season. All of these players were obviously the key to our success, but again, on paper, it wasn't plane sailing for Adkins, we weren't the favourites, we weren't expected to get promoted, we were competing against a Sam Allardyce led West Ham side, who were signing experienced pros like Nolan, Faye, Skate Taylor, O'Brien, Carew, Bouba Diop, Bentley and Almunia, and we beat them to the automatics.

We were top of the league for 34/46 of those gameweeks, being pipped by Reading, by a point, after they went on a crazy run, winning 20 out of 24 matches.

It was then after this, that Schneiderlin, Lambert and Lallana became international and Premier League quality.

I loved Adkins. And not just for his success with us - which to deny is madness, incidentally - but also 'cos he was a decent human. As great as Poch was for us, I never got over the nature of his appointment, announced hours after Nigel was sacked. Compare that with, say Strachan, who refused to even talk to the club while Stuart Gray was in the job. And yet despite this, Nigel still returns to the club for special events to this day. A class act by any measure.

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32 minutes ago, Ralph Fastenbüttl said:

I loved Adkins. And not just for his success with us - which to deny is madness, incidentally - but also 'cos he was a decent human. As great as Poch was for us, I never got over the nature of his appointment, announced hours after Nigel was sacked. Compare that with, say Strachan, who refused to even talk to the club while Stuart Gray was in the job. And yet despite this, Nigel still returns to the club for special events to this day. A class act by any measure.

A great guy he is for sure but the reality is he was never going to last with us once we got back to the premier league. The reasons why were done to death at the time. Sadly he’s lived off his success with us and been a failure since. Sacked by reading and Sheffield United, hardly set the world on fire at hull and now struggling eye charlton. A cracking guy and will always be popular here but as a manager he peaked a decade ago. Can’t see him getting too many more opportunities if he doesn’t turn it around at charlton. 

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A great guy he is for sure but the reality is he was never going to last with us once we got back to the premier league. The reasons why were done to death at the time. Sadly he’s lived off his success with us and been a failure since. Sacked by reading and Sheffield United, hardly set the world on fire at hull and now struggling eye charlton. A cracking guy and will always be popular here but as a manager he peaked a decade ago. Can’t see him getting too many more opportunities if he doesn’t turn it around at charlton. 

You say that but everyone thought David Moyes was done after his Man Utd sacking, Sunderland sacking, West Ham sacking (previously).

Just take the right backing and players to turn it around.

The players he had at Saints were all relative unknowns, and had an ambition and drive about them to excel and achieve, than say those that were better players but had the entirely wrong attitude.

As Nige once said: “Hard work beats talent, if talent doesn’t work hard”.

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17 hours ago, Ex Lion Tamer said:

It's almost as if it was our injury crisis and lack of squad depth that was the problem last season and not Ralph

His stubbornness was defo part of the problem. We’re not playing exactly  the same way this season, we’ve tightened up. Fair play to Ralph, he seems to have tweaked things a touch and we’re not as open as we previously were. Promising start, but we haven’t actually won a game yet. We’ve played well in a tough set of fixtures, we now need to see if we can win games we should win. Wolves are there for the taking and there’s no point in getting a point at City and then chucking 2 away at home to them. Let’s see how we break sides down  that’ll sit deep before getting too excited. 

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You say that but everyone thought David Moyes was done after his Man Utd sacking, Sunderland sacking, West Ham sacking (previously).

Just take the right backing and players to turn it around.

The players he had at Saints were all relative unknowns, and had an ambition and drive about them to excel and achieve, than say those that were better players but had the entirely wrong attitude.

As Nige once said: “Hard work beats talent, if talent doesn’t work hard”.

Hardly the same. Moyes had 10 relatively successful years at Everton before getting one of the biggest jobs in football which was an impossible task to follow Ferguson. 
 

Adkins was great for us but taking a club like saints with the players we had out of league one isn’t exactly the stuff of a managerial genius, the championship was excellent and he can feel aggrieved to have been sacked with us doing alright in the premier league but that was his peak and it was 10 years ago. Since then he’s never even got close to repeating that success. 

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53 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

His stubbornness was defo part of the problem. We’re not playing exactly  the same way this season, we’ve tightened up. Fair play to Ralph, he seems to have tweaked things a touch and we’re not as open as we previously were. Promising start, but we haven’t actually won a game yet. We’ve played well in a tough set of fixtures, we now need to see if we can win games we should win. Wolves are there for the taking and there’s no point in getting a point at City and then chucking 2 away at home to them. Let’s see how we break sides down  that’ll sit deep before getting too excited. 

I agree with this, promising etc. Only thing I’d say about wolves is they don’t tend to sit back, the run the channels etc. 
i watched them yesterday and they started ok but you could see the confidence go with the 2nd goal. I agree they are for the taking, but wonder if their manager will change it up to be tighter at the back as defensively they were pretty crap, not far from what we are usually like the last couple of seasons. 

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