AlexLaw76 Posted 14 August, 2021 Share Posted 14 August, 2021 Just now, Saints foreva said: Walcott should not have been signed* I agree with this. For a club penny pinching, it was/is a weird allocation of wages. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 14 August, 2021 Share Posted 14 August, 2021 Continues to baffle me with team selections, tactics and substitutions. I’m afraid waiting 11 games is delaying the inevitable. He is shite and we need better. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 14 August, 2021 Share Posted 14 August, 2021 The tone of His post match interview seemed rather worryingly defeated. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 14 August, 2021 Share Posted 14 August, 2021 47 minutes ago, Pilchards said: Rather Frank Lampard personally as he is an attraction for players plus has a go with his substutions. Lampard wouldn’t come here, he’s one of those managers who will want money to spend, especially given he needs to re-establish himself after getting the sack at Chelsea. Howe would be the obvious choice - he wouldn’t have to move away from Poole which seems to loom large, and he’s used to penny pinching. I’m not sure I would want him, he’s another stubborn bugger who has his favourites and no plan B. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee On Solent Saint Posted 14 August, 2021 Share Posted 14 August, 2021 4 minutes ago, beatlesaint said: Lampard wouldn’t come here, he’s one of those managers who will want money to spend, especially given he needs to re-establish himself after getting the sack at Chelsea. Howe would be the obvious choice - he wouldn’t have to move away from Poole which seems to loom large, and he’s used to penny pinching. I’m not sure I would want him, he’s another stubborn bugger who has his favourites and no plan B. Agree with that, although Lampard did ok, he would want shed loads of money to try and get this lot competitive. Howe is the obvious choice as you rightly say. Am not totally convinced by him either, but at least he would bring in some fresh ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Matty 76 Posted 14 August, 2021 Share Posted 14 August, 2021 I think people need to realise that any manager would struggle with the limitations that this club have. He's doing plenty wrong but when the alternatives being thrown around are Howe, Lampard and god forbid Allardyce, maybe it's time to take a breather. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Lion Tamer Posted 14 August, 2021 Share Posted 14 August, 2021 5 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said: Agree with that, although Lampard did ok, he would want shed loads of money to try and get this lot competitive. Howe is the obvious choice as you rightly say. Am not totally convinced by him either, but at least he would bring in some fresh ideas. Just look at the way Tuchel instantly improved Chelsea when he took over from Lampard's shambles. It's a no from me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee On Solent Saint Posted 14 August, 2021 Share Posted 14 August, 2021 4 minutes ago, Saint Matty 76 said: I think people need to realise that any manager would struggle with the limitations that this club have. He's doing plenty wrong but when the alternatives being thrown around are Howe, Lampard and god forbid Allardyce, maybe it's time to take a breather. I'm no real fan of Howe, but I'm pretty certain he wouldn't have been out thought tacitally by Benetiz. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWar Posted 14 August, 2021 Share Posted 14 August, 2021 We played a good first half and threw it away with individual errors against a good side. The meltdown was predictable but still not worthy of suggesting things like bringing in Big Sam or Eddie Howe 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee On Solent Saint Posted 14 August, 2021 Share Posted 14 August, 2021 1 minute ago, Ex Lion Tamer said: Just look at the way Tuchel instantly improved Chelsea when he took over from Lampard's shambles. It's a no from me To be fair though, we are operating at a totally different level to Chelsea. Am not saying I would want Lampard here, but tactically he would be more aware than Ralph seems to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Matty 76 Posted 14 August, 2021 Share Posted 14 August, 2021 1 minute ago, Lee On Solent Saint said: I'm no real fan of Howe, but I'm pretty certain he wouldn't have been out thought tacitally by Benetiz. Based on absolutely nothing. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee On Solent Saint Posted 14 August, 2021 Share Posted 14 August, 2021 3 minutes ago, Saint Matty 76 said: Based on absolutely nothing. You think? All it was effectively was a simple change in formation which Ralph failed to recognise. Or if he did was too stubborn to do anything about. If the fans can see it, why can't a professional manager see it? It happens all the time. JWP was clearly unfit, he should have been off before they got the second goal, or not have even started. Good managers react to situations. Walcott should have been off at the same time. The guy spent all summer bigging up Tella, but doesn't start him. We had the strongest bench we have had for sometime, and yet the subs were still not made until we were 2-1 down. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 14 August, 2021 Share Posted 14 August, 2021 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said: I'm no real fan of Howe, but I'm pretty certain he wouldn't have been out thought tacitally by Benetiz. Ralph wasn’t tactically outthought. Once again first half was good then it was down to the same players making the same mistakes and losing the game. Yes Ralph should had made changes, Walcott was pretty awful so Armstrong or Tella on, that’s on him. As is picking the players who keep making mistakes. after w conceded a pathetic goal we got back on top then conceded two more to throw the game away, they won by not doing anything more than basic stuff as we can’t defend, But let’s not make out it was some tactical masterclass from Benitez which bamboozled the manager, we lost the games because of the same players doing what they’ve done for years along with a lack of leadership on the pitch, something else he’s had plenty of time to address but hasn’t. Edited 14 August, 2021 by Turkish 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 14 August, 2021 Share Posted 14 August, 2021 There’s a lot of managers out thought tactically by Rafa, there’s no shame in that. However, bring tactically out thought by every single fucking manager, pretty much every single fucking game , a different matter. People deride Fat Sam for his 4-4-fucking 2, but this bloke is just as inflexible, just as stuck in his ways as any of the old school managers. FFS nothing changed after the pathetic end to last season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee On Solent Saint Posted 14 August, 2021 Share Posted 14 August, 2021 1 minute ago, Turkish said: Ralph wasn’t tactically outthought. Once again first half was good then it was down to the same players making the same mistakes and losing the game. Yes Ralph should had made changes, Walcott was pretty awful so Armstrong or Tella on, that’s on him. As is picking the players who keep making mistakes. But let’s not make out it was some tactical masterclass from Benitez which bamboozled the manager, we lost the games because of the same players doing what they’ve done for years along with a lack of leadership on the pitch, something else he’s had plenty of time to address but hasn’t. Maybe out thought wasn't the correct term, but it was a switch from Benetiz that Ralph failed to deal with, yet again. I just don't understand if we as fans can spot the changes, why isn't Ralph able to spot them and react to them? If he doesn't spot them, what are the other guys on the bench doing for 90 minutes?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenilworthy Posted 14 August, 2021 Share Posted 14 August, 2021 This calendar year away from home we have played 14 and lost 13. The only game in which defeat was avoided was against one of the worst teams in PL history. The facts speak for themselves. Ralph's time is up. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc4prem Posted 14 August, 2021 Share Posted 14 August, 2021 The stats aren't promising for Ralph. Its the lack of passion, determination and strength his team has that worries me. I've always felt our teams under him to be weak, both physically and (particularly) mentally. This isn't a quick fix, it takes a culture shift led by a new manager. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 14 August, 2021 Share Posted 14 August, 2021 I’m not yet Ralph Out, but I 100% believe this season is make or break for him. All excuses are gone now. Deadwood players are gone so the wage bill is healthier. We got decent money for Ings and Vestergaard so can sign players he wants, in addition to those he has recruited already. He has had enough time to establish is system and ideas and train / develop the squad. He has plenty of experience in the EPL, so knows what’s needed. What other excuses are there? Squad depth? He doesn’t use them. Squad quality? He chose them and trains them. Back room staff? He chose them or has decided to keep them, and has added names. If he and his back room staff can’t make his system work with his players, it’s his fault and he should go. If he can, he gets the credit. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat from Poole Posted 14 August, 2021 Share Posted 14 August, 2021 1 hour ago, beatlesaint said: Lampard wouldn’t come here, he’s one of those managers who will want money to spend, especially given he needs to re-establish himself after getting the sack at Chelsea. Howe would be the obvious choice - he wouldn’t have to move away from Poole which seems to loom large, and he’s used to penny pinching. I’m not sure I would want him, he’s another stubborn bugger who has his favourites and no plan B. Lampard has a pad in Poole (well, Studland to be precise….) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 14 August, 2021 Share Posted 14 August, 2021 1 minute ago, Pat from Poole said: Lampard has a pad in Poole (well, Studland to be precise….) So has Tony Pullis, and I wouldn’t want him either. Does it matter where they live? If a manager only wants a job because it’s local, I’m not sure he’s what we want 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Saints Posted 14 August, 2021 Share Posted 14 August, 2021 I don’t see how he makes it to Christmas. Let’s face it he wouldn’t have survived the second 9 nil if we weren’t skint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat from Poole Posted 14 August, 2021 Share Posted 14 August, 2021 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said: So has Tony Pullis, and I wouldn’t want him either. Does it matter where they live? If a manager only wants a job because it’s local, I’m not sure he’s what we want Probably doesn’t matter. Pretty nomadic industry, football. Lampard didn’t move much in his playing career, so not having to uproot family might be a bigger deal for him than somebody like Pochettino, who was quite happy for his family to live in a different country while he managed in England. I don’t think Lampard would want to work for us though. Edited 14 August, 2021 by Pat from Poole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 14 August, 2021 Share Posted 14 August, 2021 Got to give him a few more games at least, if we sacked our managers every time we lost at Goodson we would have a pretty rapid turnaround. We actually played better than I thought we would today by the sound of it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 14 August, 2021 Share Posted 14 August, 2021 14 minutes ago, aintforever said: Got to give him a few more games at least, if we sacked our managers every time we lost at Goodson we would have a pretty rapid turnaround. We actually played better than I thought we would today by the sound of it. Isn’t that half the problem though? We do play some decent stuff but we are so pathetically weak defensively that it’s all a bit pointless. If we were just shit it would probably be a bit easier to swallow but we’re not, first half today we were good. Then another error got them back in the game, handed them the momentum and it was the same old story. Same story same mistakes over and over again. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAY-Z Posted 14 August, 2021 Share Posted 14 August, 2021 15 minutes ago, Turkish said: Isn’t that half the problem though? We do play some decent stuff but we are so pathetically weak defensively that it’s all a bit pointless. If we were just shit it would probably be a bit easier to swallow but we’re not, first half today we were good. Then another error got them back in the game, handed them the momentum and it was the same old story. Same story same mistakes over and over again. Exhibit number 5,675,865 of this exact same thing happening under Ralph, would love to see points per game 1st half vs 2nd half under Ralph. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted 14 August, 2021 Share Posted 14 August, 2021 56 minutes ago, aintforever said: Got to give him a few more games at least, if we sacked our managers every time we lost at Goodson we would have a pretty rapid turnaround. We actually played better than I thought we would today by the sound of it. That’s what irks me the most. I think the team is easily good enough to be in that 10th-14th pocket but Ralph sabotages nearly every game with either bizarre selections (McCarthy, Theo etc) or stands like a deer in the headlights when we are getting overrun. When will he get it into his thick skull that even the most well drilled team still needs a tweak here or there during the game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaiser Soze Posted 14 August, 2021 Share Posted 14 August, 2021 We clearly don’t have the money to sack you so please do the honourable thing and fuck off. 1 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 14 August, 2021 Share Posted 14 August, 2021 Oh dear 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 14 August, 2021 Share Posted 14 August, 2021 Step away from the bar. There’s absolutely no need for threads like this…. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayling Saint Posted 15 August, 2021 Share Posted 15 August, 2021 19 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said: Step away from the bar. There’s absolutely no need for threads like this…. totally agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T * Posted 15 August, 2021 Share Posted 15 August, 2021 #awks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted 15 August, 2021 Share Posted 15 August, 2021 I think Soze might actually be Ralph himself. He gets mortal after a defeat and then spills his guts on here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nachtergaeles Posted 15 August, 2021 Share Posted 15 August, 2021 We need fans like this to do the honourable thing and fuck off 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 15 August, 2021 Share Posted 15 August, 2021 Let's not sit on the fence here, tell it like it is, what exactly do you mean? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangkoksaint Posted 15 August, 2021 Share Posted 15 August, 2021 I’m a little flabbergasted how we are having exactly the same conversations on here as we have been for months and still some people think RH will turn it around. He won’t and if we are to survive then a change will be needed. For me this will happen before the international break in November - if it doesn’t we’ll be cut adrift. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dman Posted 15 August, 2021 Share Posted 15 August, 2021 12 hours ago, TWar said: We played a good first half and threw it away with individual errors against a good side. The meltdown was predictable but still not worthy of suggesting things like bringing in Big Sam or Eddie Howe You’ll defend him until the cow come home. Playing well for a half just isn’t good enough. Something clearly isn’t working. Defensively he’s clueless. He may and probably will go on to be a decent manager for someone else, but with our squad, he’s not the right man. The club are balls deep into Ralph, they won’t want to pull the trigger, but sooner rather than later they’ll have to. I’m giving him 9 more games, if that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Tony Posted 15 August, 2021 Share Posted 15 August, 2021 Time must be running out for him. It's a miracle he survived last season. He doesn't help himself with the bizarre selections from yesterday. I want him to do well but this year has been dire, and it's difficult to see him turning things around, which is partly due to the resources available. A lot of it hinges on who we sign at CB, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 15 August, 2021 Share Posted 15 August, 2021 Which Ralph might this be? Obviously it can’t be our esteemed football manager so… did your boyfriend dump you on a Saturday night? What a bastard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 15 August, 2021 Share Posted 15 August, 2021 Remember the last time a clubs fans was disillusioned with the their manager after 3 years 🤔 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 15 August, 2021 Share Posted 15 August, 2021 1 hour ago, bangkoksaint said: I’m a little flabbergasted how we are having exactly the same conversations on here as we have been for months and still some people think RH will turn it around. He won’t and if we are to survive then a change will be needed. For me this will happen before the international break in November - if it doesn’t we’ll be cut adrift. Yep. My position is the same as last season. He's a one trick pony. He sets teams up well. The opposition adapt to it. He has no idea what to do next. We lose. Giving him chance after chance isn't going to change anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted 15 August, 2021 Share Posted 15 August, 2021 Just now, egg said: Yep. My position is the same as last season. He's a one trick pony. He sets teams up well. The opposition adapt to it. He has no idea what to do next. We lose. Giving him chance after chance isn't going to change anything. Agreed. He should have been sacked last season. 13 out of 14 losses on the road this year. He is tactically naive to put it nicely. I was laughing before the season started reading some of the optimistic comments on here from some of the happy clappers. Not sure there is any reason for optimism - Ralph has certainly not changed or improved or learnt any lessons from the dreadful performances he served us up last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 15 August, 2021 Share Posted 15 August, 2021 11 hours ago, MAY-Z said: Exhibit number 5,675,865 of this exact same thing happening under Ralph, would love to see points per game 1st half vs 2nd half under Ralph. Not quite "points per half", but take a look at my post on the previous page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 15 August, 2021 Share Posted 15 August, 2021 Starting Walcott was a clear sign he has lost the plot.... He's been piss poor for ages and nowhere near a premier League player yet he started. Ralph must have had input in the signing of him too letting sentimentality take over, can see him sticking with him too as in Ralph's mafia club once your in your in! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordonToo Posted 15 August, 2021 Share Posted 15 August, 2021 14 hours ago, Wade Garrett said: Continues to baffle me with team selections, tactics and substitutions. I’m afraid waiting 11 games is delaying the inevitable. He is shite and we need better. Maybe it is just stubbornness and tactical naivety. I can't understand why he doesn't seem to expect the opposition to counter his set up in the second half of games and then have any counter measures of his own to call upon. Other teams do it for heavens sake. Maybe he'll see the light after yesterday's debacle but I'm not holding my breath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 15 August, 2021 Share Posted 15 August, 2021 17 minutes ago, gordonToo said: Maybe it is just stubbornness and tactical naivety. I can't understand why he doesn't seem to expect the opposition to counter his set up in the second half of games and then have any counter measures of his own to call upon. Other teams do it for heavens sake. Maybe he'll see the light after yesterday's debacle but I'm not holding my breath. Since we beat Sheff Utd on 13th December, ( 27 matches ), we have taken 9 points from the 18 games where we were not leading at half time. 2 wins, 3 draws, and 13 defeats. We have held onto a half time lead to win just 3 times in the same period. In the 11 matches where we were behind at half time we have failed to take a single point. Under Ralph we simply don't do second halves. That has to be down to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 15 August, 2021 Share Posted 15 August, 2021 16 minutes ago, badgerx16 said: Since we beat Sheff Utd on 13th December, ( 27 matches ), we have taken 9 points from the 18 games where we were not leading at half time. 2 wins, 3 draws, and 13 defeats. We have held onto a half time lead to win just 3 times in the same period. In the 11 matches where we were behind at half time we have failed to take a single point. Under Ralph we simply don't do second halves. That has to be down to him. Yerah, a coincidence lasts maybe three or four games, not 27, thats when incompetence tends to take over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 15 August, 2021 Share Posted 15 August, 2021 What’s our record since he started blubbing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordonToo Posted 15 August, 2021 Share Posted 15 August, 2021 (edited) 28 minutes ago, badgerx16 said: Since we beat Sheff Utd on 13th December, ( 27 matches ), we have taken 9 points from the 18 games where we were not leading at half time. 2 wins, 3 draws, and 13 defeats. We have held onto a half time lead to win just 3 times in the same period. In the 11 matches where we were behind at half time we have failed to take a single point. Under Ralph we simply don't do second halves. That has to be down to him. That's even worse than I thought and the obvious weakness areas of GK and CB have still not been addressed. Watching Stephens trailing in behind Calvert-Lewin for yesterday's 3rd makes me almost despair. Edited 15 August, 2021 by gordonToo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted 15 August, 2021 Share Posted 15 August, 2021 Nor certain this in on Ralph, but the signing of walcott is up there in the 'totally needless' stakes, as giving Forster and more so, Long new deals. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 15 August, 2021 Share Posted 15 August, 2021 18 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said: What’s our record since he started blubbing? Shit. Completely shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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