whiteleySaint30 Posted 12 April, 2021 Share Posted 12 April, 2021 1 minute ago, Pamplemousse said: Let's see where we are next season. If, as we are led to believe, this transfer window we will be active, then hopefully there will be improvements. No point in being rash. After all, we had the same morons on here crying Puel out and we ended up with Pellegrino. I was right then and I imagine the more level-headed amongst us will be right this time. Yep, transfer window will be active but we will not spend more than 10m on 1 player - don't expect miracles. What can you get for 10m these days?......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiteleySaint30 Posted 12 April, 2021 Share Posted 12 April, 2021 1 minute ago, Kenilworthy said: It doesn't matter what players we bring in. We have decent players. The manager is the problem. Who would you realistically bring in Einstein? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamplemousse Posted 12 April, 2021 Share Posted 12 April, 2021 Just now, TWar said: Bad day at the office against a team full of confidence and everything to play for vs a team with nothing to play for. Can't blame Ralph for individual sloppiness, it just felt like a lack of focus. We were much better in the second but damage was done by then. We are safe, we made FA Cup semis, that's enough for me to call this an average season at worst. Yeah exactly. Granted there have been far too many bad days at the office for anyone's liking and we have to improve, but also, let's not forget where we were when he took over. Some perspective is needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 12 April, 2021 Share Posted 12 April, 2021 2 minutes ago, TWar said: Bad day at the office against a team full of confidence and everything to play for vs a team with nothing to play for. Can't blame Ralph for individual sloppiness, it just felt like a lack of focus. We were much better in the second but damage was done by then. We are safe, we made FA Cup semis, that's enough for me to call this an average season at worst. People calling for sacking the manager if he doesn't make the FA cup final are, predictably, mental. Fuck me, you’re still making excuses for him. Unbelievable. You’re embarrassing yourself now. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWar Posted 12 April, 2021 Share Posted 12 April, 2021 Just now, Lord Duckhunter said: Fuck me, you’re still making excuses for him. Unbelievable. You’re embarrassing yourself now. We had a bad game, it was a pretty irrelevant game given the circumstances, and the other team played well. No need to shit yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinSFC Posted 12 April, 2021 Share Posted 12 April, 2021 3 minutes ago, CB Fry said: More goals conceded than Sheffield United. He wears a hat like Klopp and was mates with him though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 12 April, 2021 Share Posted 12 April, 2021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 12 April, 2021 Share Posted 12 April, 2021 I'm not sure that Ralph can coach a defence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWar Posted 12 April, 2021 Share Posted 12 April, 2021 2 minutes ago, Pamplemousse said: Yeah exactly. Granted there have been far too many bad days at the office for anyone's liking and we have to improve, but also, let's not forget where we were when he took over. Some perspective is needed. We need to be more consistent, I don't think anyone disagrees with that but people calling for the managers head right now are bedwetters of the highest order. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 12 April, 2021 Share Posted 12 April, 2021 1 minute ago, Pamplemousse said: Yeah exactly. Granted there have been far too many bad days at the office for anyone's liking and we have to improve, but also, let's not forget where we were when he took over. Some perspective is needed. The last 3 months we’ve been as bad as anything Hughes served up, so don’t give us the “look where we were pony”. We’re 4 places higher than we were when Hughes left. 4 places !!!! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinSFC Posted 12 April, 2021 Share Posted 12 April, 2021 8 minutes ago, whiteleySaint30 said: Who are you suggesting we bring in? Howe or the bloke at Brentford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKD Posted 12 April, 2021 Share Posted 12 April, 2021 Just now, TWar said: We need to be more consistent, I don't think anyone disagrees with that but people calling for the managers head right now are bedwetters of the highest order. Bedwetters of the highest order 😂😂😂😂 2 wins in 15 games. Embarrassed and out played by West Brom. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenilworthy Posted 12 April, 2021 Share Posted 12 April, 2021 1 minute ago, JustinSFC said: Howe or the bloke at Brentford. One thing is certain. It should not be an appointment from within. The whole coaching staff needs to go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKD Posted 12 April, 2021 Share Posted 12 April, 2021 6 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said: Fuck me, you’re still making excuses for him. Unbelievable. You’re embarrassing yourself now. Cracked up. A bad day in the office, as if this isn’t a regular occurrence. The only reason last week wasn’t also a bad day is because Ings dragged us out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 12 April, 2021 Share Posted 12 April, 2021 Just putting this out there. If people got their wish and Ralph was 'relieved of his duties', and the club then decided the cheapo approach was to appoint from within (Davis/Fleming). What would your view be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedantic Pete Posted 12 April, 2021 Share Posted 12 April, 2021 5 minutes ago, JustinSFC said: He wears a hat like Klopp and was mates with him though. Klopp has also gone off the boil..is there some sort of conspiracy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 12 April, 2021 Share Posted 12 April, 2021 3 minutes ago, TWar said: We need to be more consistent, I don't think anyone disagrees with that but people calling for the managers head right now are bedwetters of the highest order. We are consistent. We consistently lose and are consistently crap. I don't think that consistency has anything to do with our problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 12 April, 2021 Share Posted 12 April, 2021 5 minutes ago, Heisenberg said: 3 minutes ago, JustinSFC said: Howe or the bloke at Brentford. 🕵️♀️🕵️♂️🕵️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 12 April, 2021 Share Posted 12 April, 2021 (edited) I’d like to see a poll along these lines: a) Ralph in, and to lead us on next season no matter how this season ends b) Give Ralph until end of the season, but if we don’t go past 39/40 points then get rid (unless we win the cup) otherwise keep for next season c) Give Ralph the FA Cup semifinal, if we lose then sack him because the run of form + results have been terrible for some time d) Sack Ralph now Edited 12 April, 2021 by nta786 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWar Posted 12 April, 2021 Share Posted 12 April, 2021 Just now, Micky said: We are consistent. We consistently lose and are consistently crap. I don't think that consistency has anything to do with our problems. Not true at all, we are probably the least consistent team in the league this season. We can basically divide our season up into runs where we are amazing and runs where we are shite. We haven't had a consistent quality all season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 12 April, 2021 Share Posted 12 April, 2021 He has no credit from me I don’t want him at the club. you watch he’ll win the FA cup if not...thomas Frank from Brentford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 12 April, 2021 Share Posted 12 April, 2021 8 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said: Fuck me, you’re still making excuses for him. Unbelievable. You’re embarrassing yourself now. And your obsession with him, and any other manager other than your beloved Claude, is far more embarrassing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry_SFC Posted 12 April, 2021 Share Posted 12 April, 2021 3 minutes ago, Kenilworthy said: One thing is certain. It should not be an appointment from within. The whole coaching staff needs to go This. I'd like to see Watson moved on, think we need a freshen up in that department. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 12 April, 2021 Share Posted 12 April, 2021 Just now, saint lard said: He has no credit from me I don’t want him at the club. you watch he’ll win the FA cup if not...thomas Frank from Brentford. We will not be appointing a manager who is currently employed. So forget your 'wish lists'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKD Posted 12 April, 2021 Share Posted 12 April, 2021 4 minutes ago, S-Clarke said: Just putting this out there. If people got their wish and Ralph was 'relieved of his duties', and the club then decided the cheapo approach was to appoint from within (Davis/Fleming). What would your view be? That’d be even worse; but if that’s our only option then send us back to league 1 ASAP. We’re skint, but I do not believe there are no managers who would do a better job than Ralph is currently, who will cost less than Ralph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedantic Pete Posted 12 April, 2021 Share Posted 12 April, 2021 Just now, S-Clarke said: Just putting this out there. If people got their wish and Ralph was 'relieved of his duties', and the club then decided the cheapo approach was to appoint from within (Davis/Fleming). What would your view be? I think (hope) the board stick with Ralph. If he goes the odds are we would churn through dross over and over like we have done previously. I think some people think we should be challenging at the top end of the table because we were top for one game but in reality we are roughly where we should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 12 April, 2021 Share Posted 12 April, 2021 Just now, Pedantic Pete said: I think (hope) the board stick with Ralph. If he goes the odds are we would churn through dross over and over like we have done previously. I think some people think we should be challenging at the top end of the table because we were top for one game but in reality we are roughly where we should be. I think it's more that the concern is that a better manager would have tried something to arrest the alarming form we've been in for months now. We will almost certainly not be going down this year but I wouldn't like to say with any certainty that we won't next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKD Posted 12 April, 2021 Share Posted 12 April, 2021 3 minutes ago, TWar said: Not true at all, we are probably the least consistent team in the league this season. We can basically divide our season up into runs where we are amazing and runs where we are shite. We haven't had a consistent quality all season. 2 wins in 15 games is pretty consistent to me. Consistently fucking rubbish. We haven’t had consistent quality because we’re a pretty average squad and Ralph is a very average manager who tactically appalling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 12 April, 2021 Share Posted 12 April, 2021 I’ve backed Ralph through the two 9-0s, and some tough times, and we were good March 2020-Nov 2020. But you can’t stand still, and SFC has a historic complacency gene that wouldn’t be tolerated in other parts of the country. We saw 2003 when WGS got fed up with the total dogma and inflexibility - instead of Malbranque we got Nilsson and Kenton. The last 5 years at SFC has largely been a shot show since Ronald left, brief flickers under Puel but largely shite football and decline, Pellegrino - worse than Branfoot and a £20m striker playing 10 games and given away, Hughes kept us up but mess the next season, fire went out of him, Ralph after having a better time has now gone the same way as Hughes, looks tired and disinterested. New owners needed ASAP, new manager and coaches, Crocker can sort out the rotten academy Les and his cronies have left behind. Allardyce showed tonight he has a contacts book all of the hopeless morons who pretend to be scouts with laptops will never have. Okay was excellent, he wouldn’t have cost £20m, look at AMN, the CB at Fulham Andresen as well. Ownership is a void, manager lost enthusiasm, coaching non league, academy teams getting thrashed despite all of the investment in facilities, players looking directionless and devoid of any work rate the week before an FA Cup Semi final. Stadium is about the only positive about the club right now. We’ve seen loads of excuses on here blaming the fans for getting on players backs but they haven’t been in the stadium bar a tiny cameo at Xmas for a year. If someone doesn’t buy the club soon and clear decks, the skates’ fate would be SFC’s next. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWar Posted 12 April, 2021 Share Posted 12 April, 2021 3 minutes ago, SKD said: 2 wins in 15 games is pretty consistent to me. Consistently fucking rubbish. We haven’t had consistent quality because we’re a pretty average squad and Ralph is a very average manager who tactically appalling. It's impressive how often it needs to be pointed out to you Ralph didn't take over 15 games ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKD Posted 12 April, 2021 Share Posted 12 April, 2021 1 minute ago, TWar said: It's impressive how often it needs to be pointed out to you Ralph didn't take over 15 games ago. Correct, it was c.100 ago and he has about 34% wins. So he therefore has only won about a 3rd of his games. That doesn’t justify a streak this poor with absolutely no sign of turning it around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toussaint Posted 12 April, 2021 Share Posted 12 April, 2021 I don’t care who the new manager is, as long it’s a transgender person of colour 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 12 April, 2021 Share Posted 12 April, 2021 1 minute ago, Toussaint said: I don’t care who the new manager is, as long it’s a transgender person of colour This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKD Posted 12 April, 2021 Share Posted 12 April, 2021 1 minute ago, Toussaint said: I don’t care who the new manager is, as long it’s a transgender person of colour Sol Campbell? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toussaint Posted 12 April, 2021 Share Posted 12 April, 2021 Just now, SKD said: Sol Campbell? I can’t do anymore emojis, so if it wasn’t such a serious issue I would have found your response very funny 😆 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee On Solent Saint Posted 12 April, 2021 Share Posted 12 April, 2021 If we are as skint as suggested, then we have no hope that the board will sack him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWar Posted 12 April, 2021 Share Posted 12 April, 2021 17 minutes ago, SKD said: Correct, it was c.100 ago and he has about 34% wins. So he therefore has only won about a 3rd of his games. That doesn’t justify a streak this poor with absolutely no sign of turning it around. 34% winrate is mid table to top half form, converts to somewhere like 40-45 points depending on number of draws. Do you think this team should be achieving that? When like 12 teams in the league have bought players worth over £40m and our record spend is under half that. I think you gotta be more realistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd Posted 12 April, 2021 Share Posted 12 April, 2021 16 minutes ago, saint1977 said: I’ve backed Ralph through the two 9-0s, and some tough times, and we were good March 2020-Nov 2020. But you can’t stand still, and SFC has a historic complacency gene that wouldn’t be tolerated in other parts of the country. We saw 2003 when WGS got fed up with the total dogma and inflexibility - instead of Malbranque we got Nilsson and Kenton. The last 5 years at SFC has largely been a shot show since Ronald left, brief flickers under Puel but largely shite football and decline, Pellegrino - worse than Branfoot and a £20m striker playing 10 games and given away, Hughes kept us up but mess the next season, fire went out of him, Ralph after having a better time has now gone the same way as Hughes, looks tired and disinterested. New owners needed ASAP, new manager and coaches, Crocker can sort out the rotten academy Les and his cronies have left behind. Allardyce showed tonight he has a contacts book all of the hopeless morons who pretend to be scouts with laptops will never have. Okay was excellent, he wouldn’t have cost £20m, look at AMN, the CB at Fulham Andresen as well. Ownership is a void, manager lost enthusiasm, coaching non league, academy teams getting thrashed despite all of the investment in facilities, players looking directionless and devoid of any work rate the week before an FA Cup Semi final. Stadium is about the only positive about the club right now. We’ve seen loads of excuses on here blaming the fans for getting on players backs but they haven’t been in the stadium bar a tiny cameo at Xmas for a year. If someone doesn’t buy the club soon and clear decks, the skates’ fate would be SFC’s next. I'd have got Howe in a month ago. I've just got a feeling that Ralph won't stick around at the end of the season. He'll certainly not stick around if we get relegated... Hopefully that's unlikely. Howe would have given the team a much needed boost for the last 1/4 of the season. In the event that we did get relegated at least we'd have a manager who would stick around and have a go at getting us back up. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee On Solent Saint Posted 12 April, 2021 Share Posted 12 April, 2021 1 minute ago, Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd said: I'd have got Howe in a month ago. I've just got a feeling that Ralph won't stick around at the end of the season. He'll certainly not stick around if we get relegated... Hopefully that's unlikely. Howe would have given the team a much needed boost for the last 1/4 of the season. In the event that we did get relegated at least we'd have a manager who would stick around and have a go at getting us back up. Pretty sure Howe wouldn't want to damage his reputation any further by working with this amateur board. Having said that, maybe he's holding out for something, as he seems to have distanced himself from Celtc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 12 April, 2021 Share Posted 12 April, 2021 Are we a good team who sometimes has bad spells. Or, a bad team who sometimes has good spells? Our win, goal scoring and defensive records under Ralph are so hit and miss it’s hard to tell. It has often felt like we’re better than our performances suggest… but after a while of lacklustre performances, shit defending, an inability to score, and no idea how to win games if our normal style doesn’t work, I’m not so sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpsaint Posted 12 April, 2021 Share Posted 12 April, 2021 51 minutes ago, TWar said: Bad day at the office against a team full of confidence and everything to play for vs a team with nothing to play for. Can't blame Ralph for individual sloppiness, it just felt like a lack of focus. We were much better in the second but damage was done by then. We are safe, we made FA Cup semis, that's enough for me to call this an average season at worst. People calling for sacking the manager if he doesn't make the FA cup final are, predictably, mental. Can’t believe you’re writing this off as a bad day at the office. How many more are we going to have until people stop making excuses for him? If Ings hadn’t dragged us out the shit against Burnley we’d have been even worse off than we are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKD Posted 12 April, 2021 Share Posted 12 April, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, TWar said: 34% winrate is mid table to top half form, converts to somewhere like 40-45 points depending on number of draws. Do you think this team should be achieving that? When like 12 teams in the league have bought players worth over £40m and our record spend is under half that. I think you gotta be more realistic. But most of those wins have come from a purple patch over 2 seasons (of which were very much dependant on fitness due to stop / start season and shorter pre-season because of covid) so it doesn’t equate that 45 points or mid table. We’re defensively very, very poor. Look like we could concede 9 every game. Hardly look like scoring and even less so when ings isn’t playing. No real fight and no signs it’ll change. Too slow to react in game, often start games slow as well. To be honest, I can’t believe anyone can still defend him. Edited 12 April, 2021 by SKD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWar Posted 12 April, 2021 Share Posted 12 April, 2021 2 minutes ago, bpsaint said: How many more are we going to have until people stop making excuses for him? Maybe enough to actually put us in danger, which hasn't happened all season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKD Posted 12 April, 2021 Share Posted 12 April, 2021 8 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said: Pretty sure Howe wouldn't want to damage his reputation any further by working with this amateur board. Having said that, maybe he's holding out for something, as he seems to have distanced himself from Celtc He’d jump at the chance. He’ll be at us or palace next season, I suspect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWar Posted 12 April, 2021 Share Posted 12 April, 2021 1 minute ago, SKD said: But most of those wins have come from a purple patch over 2 seasons (of which were very much dependant on fitness due to stop / start season and shorter pre-season because of covid) so it doesn’t equate that 45 points or mid table. We’re defensively very, very poor. Look like we could concede 9 every game. Hardly look like scoring and even less so when ings isn’t playing. No real fight and no signs it’ll change. Too slow to react in game, often start games slow as well. To be honest, I can’t believe anyone can still defend him. Wins are wins, you can't discount a run of over a year as a "purple patch" but then base all your arguments on a 3 month period. Over his full time he has good stats, that is still true, individual losses won't change that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKD Posted 12 April, 2021 Share Posted 12 April, 2021 Just now, TWar said: Maybe enough to actually put us in danger, which hasn't happened all season. Only because of a purple patch at the start of the season. Since November, we’re bottom 2 for form and look fucking appalling. At what point next season do you consider us to be ‘in danger’? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Matty 76 Posted 12 April, 2021 Share Posted 12 April, 2021 Just now, SKD said: But most of those wins have come from a purple patch over 2 seasons, so it doesn’t equate that 45 points or mid table. We’re defensively very, very poor. Look like we could concede 9 every game. Hardly look like scoring and even less so when ings isn’t playing. No real fight and no signs it’ll change. Too slow to react in game, often start games slow as well. To be honest, I can’t believe anyone can still defend him. When the alternatives being brought up are people like Eddie Howe, I can. He's a good manager at the least ambitious club in the league. Teams come up and spend £100m~ net in a window and since he's arrived we've spent about £16m net, it's embarrassing. I'm not for a second saying he doesn't have his negatives, but just step back and look at what he's working with. I'd rather not put that on somebody like Eddie Howe who spent a shit load and couldn't spot a good player. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKD Posted 12 April, 2021 Share Posted 12 April, 2021 Just now, TWar said: Wins are wins, you can't discount a run of over a year as a "purple patch" but then base all your arguments on a 3 month period. Over his full time he has good stats, that is still true, individual losses won't change that. 2 record defeats. Highest amount of goals conceded. 2 wins in 14 far out weigh a good 2020. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKD Posted 12 April, 2021 Share Posted 12 April, 2021 Just now, Saint Matty 76 said: When the alternatives being brought up are people like Eddie Howe, I can. He's a good manager at the least ambitious club in the league. Teams come up and spend £100m~ net in a window and since he's arrived we've spent about £16m net, it's embarrassing. I'm not for a second saying he doesn't have his negatives, but just step back and look at what he's working with. I'd rather not put that on somebody like Eddie Howe who spent a shit load and couldn't spot a good player. Absolutely nothing to back that statement up. But even if he is a good manager, that doesn’t mean he’s the right man for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Matty 76 Posted 12 April, 2021 Share Posted 12 April, 2021 1 minute ago, SKD said: Absolutely nothing to back that statement up. But even if he is a good manager, that doesn’t mean he’s the right man for us. At this point you're not worth talking to then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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