Tamesaint Posted 8 January, 2021 Posted 8 January, 2021 On 07/01/2021 at 10:09, Lord Duckhunter said: Correct. It comes to something when having different views means you’re just on a wind up & not a fan. I found his whole reaction OTT, particularly as someone posted a picture on his knees with the words “legend”. Firstly he’s not a legend in any sense in my eyes (only Lawrie & Ted hold that managerial honour) & secondly, I’d want a manager to win a game a bit more important than that to start blabbing. But, here’s the thing, it’s just an opinion. It doesn’t make me less or more of a fan, than anyone else. I agree - not with your views on Ralph crying (you really are rooted in the past 😁) but with your rights to a different view.
Cartman Posted 8 January, 2021 Posted 8 January, 2021 7 hours ago, Saint_clark said: Ironically enough one of the places I can see him going is Leicester, if the rumours of Rodgers to Chelsea have anything about them. Why would he make a sideways move? 😂 Anyway... one potential problem for Ralph at another club would be patience... it took us a whole calendar year under him to start playing well and our new signings usually take a long time to adapt. Ralph may well be aware of this.
AlexLaw76 Posted 8 January, 2021 Posted 8 January, 2021 3 minutes ago, Cartman said: Why would he make a sideways move? 😂 Anyway... one potential problem for Ralph at another club would be patience... it took us a whole calendar year under him to start playing well and our new signings usually take a long time to adapt. Ralph may well be aware of this. Leicester are the next step up, not sure that is up for debate. Recent champions, seems to be up there pushing for CL on a regular basis and happy to spend £30m+ on players.
Cartman Posted 8 January, 2021 Posted 8 January, 2021 34 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: Leicester are the next step up, not sure that is up for debate. Recent champions, seems to be up there pushing for CL on a regular basis and happy to spend £30m+ on players. Because they have been better run and made better use of their resources than we have. It does not mean that they have more resources, unlike Liverpool, Man City, Man Utd, Chelsea, Spurs and Arsenal. Being able to spend £30m+ is what happens when you get a year of Champions League money and sell a few players for £50m+ instead of not making a big sale in three years and wasting money on players you can't give away. They aren't doing anything we aren't capable of, they don't have any structural advantages over us, if we are run well we will regularly be where they are, if they start being run like we were up until two years ago, they will be fighting relegation just like we were.
AlexLaw76 Posted 8 January, 2021 Posted 8 January, 2021 31 minutes ago, Cartman said: Because they have been better run and made better use of their resources than we have. It does not mean that they have more resources, unlike Liverpool, Man City, Man Utd, Chelsea, Spurs and Arsenal. Being able to spend £30m+ is what happens when you get a year of Champions League money and sell a few players for £50m+ instead of not making a big sale in three years and wasting money on players you can't give away. They aren't doing anything we aren't capable of, they don't have any structural advantages over us, if we are run well we will regularly be where they are, if they start being run like we were up until two years ago, they will be fighting relegation just like we were. All fair points. However, when we ran into what was like CL money (Virgil sale), we still sat within the transfer bracket of average players. Granted, Guido was a record signing, but that was relative to our own low costed signings. Spending £20m on a striker was nothing to shout about in this league, at that time. Either way, I would be amazed if Ralph hot-footed to Leicester. Man United is the club with his name on it. Massive club who gives a manager time.
Matthew Le God Posted 8 January, 2021 Posted 8 January, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: Man United is the club with his name on it. Massive club who gives a manager time. Do they? The Glazer's have given... Moyes - 9 months Giggs - 2 months van Gaal - 2 years Mourinho - 18 months Solskjær - 2 years Edited 8 January, 2021 by Matthew Le God
Medrurkin Posted 8 January, 2021 Posted 8 January, 2021 23 hours ago, miserableoldgit said: I am hoping that we can keep him for a while. He seems to like a project....building something from the bottom up. I don't think that he will quickly forget how the club stood by him and still believed in him after the Leicester debacle. I am not sure that life at a "Top 6" club with the need for instant success would be Ralph's ideal situation. I hope he stays a while too, but Pochetino has shown you don't have to win anything to get a top job.
miserableoldgit Posted 8 January, 2021 Posted 8 January, 2021 18 minutes ago, Medrurkin said: I hope he stays a while too, but Pochetino has shown you don't have to win anything to get a top job. You are right but I don't think that they are the same type of person......
SuperSAINT Posted 25 January, 2021 Posted 25 January, 2021 (edited) Edited 25 January, 2021 by SuperSAINT
The Curse of St Mary's Posted 25 January, 2021 Posted 25 January, 2021 Tuchel replacing lampard it seems. TFFT
Turkish Posted 25 January, 2021 Posted 25 January, 2021 (edited) Hassennhuttl is all wrong for them. Surely top contenders have to be.... Chris Houghton Paul Ince Darren Moore Nuno Espirito Santo Ledley King Sol Campbell and if they want a guy called Hassel then Jimmy Floyd Hasselbank is ex chelsea and great pedigree as a manager in this country Edited 25 January, 2021 by Turkish 1
Badger Posted 25 January, 2021 Posted 25 January, 2021 4 minutes ago, The Curse of St Mary's said: Tuchel replacing lampard it seems. TFFT A good coach/manager but one who seemingly has a track record of falling out with every club he's been at.
Hatch Posted 25 January, 2021 Posted 25 January, 2021 Ralph / Ings / JWP / Jannik all 4 to Chelsea by Friday 🤑 1
TWar Posted 25 January, 2021 Posted 25 January, 2021 A good thing from our perspective. No way Hasenhuttl leaves midseason so this to me indicates they have someone lined up already to take over, almost certainly Tuchel.
BARCELONASAINT Posted 25 January, 2021 Posted 25 January, 2021 I really believe Ralph knows the Saints board have a long term plan and showed their faith in him last season by giving him a new contract when a lot of Premiership boards would have panicked and sacked him. He knows being Chelsea or any of the top 6 managers means no time will be given and instant success is a must! I honestly cannot see him going....yet!
Turkish Posted 25 January, 2021 Posted 25 January, 2021 6 minutes ago, Badger said: A good coach/manager but one who seemingly has a track record of falling out with every club he's been at. Tuchel been manager of Dortmund and PSG, soo to be Chelsea and to think Les once thought he was going to come to Saints. 🤣
DT Posted 25 January, 2021 Posted 25 January, 2021 They're saying Tuchel so thankfully not Ralph. Phew
beatlesaint Posted 25 January, 2021 Posted 25 January, 2021 Chelsea only pull the trigger when they have a replacement lined up. It will be Tuchel. Be interesting to see what happens with Lampard, that’s two English “bright young managers” out of work now with him and Mr Howe formerly of Boscombe.
Master Bates Posted 25 January, 2021 Posted 25 January, 2021 (edited) 29 minutes ago, spyinthesky said: Benitez? or is he bound for Newcastle? Benitez Celtic Edited 25 January, 2021 by Master Bates
Master Bates Posted 25 January, 2021 Posted 25 January, 2021 (edited) Sacked https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55794158 Edited 25 January, 2021 by Master Bates
SKD Posted 25 January, 2021 Posted 25 January, 2021 40 minutes ago, Master Bates said: Benitez Celtic Fake. Ranger fans on a wind up. Check the last 4 digits of the number (1872 - year they were formed), that was the give away.
Lord Duckhunter Posted 25 January, 2021 Posted 25 January, 2021 45 minutes ago, Master Bates said: Sacked https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55794158 Watch the press now start crying about more time and hitting out at the short termism of Chelsea.
SKD Posted 25 January, 2021 Posted 25 January, 2021 4 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said: Watch the press now start crying about more time and hitting out at the short termism of Chelsea. Tbh, it’s probably one of the main factors Ralph wouldn’t take that job. 1
Fan The Flames Posted 25 January, 2021 Posted 25 January, 2021 It was always going to end this way for Frank.
Fan The Flames Posted 25 January, 2021 Posted 25 January, 2021 21 minutes ago, SKD said: Tbh, it’s probably one of the main factors Ralph wouldn’t take that job. One of the factors that Ralph would consider briefly before accepting the job.
S-Clarke Posted 25 January, 2021 Posted 25 January, 2021 1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said: Watch the press now start crying about more time and hitting out at the short termism of Chelsea. Chelsea have got a history of having no patience though. They didn't stick with Salah, De Bryune, Lukaku - all 3 turned into world beaters. They brought in a policy of developing young players, so they sucked up every young player they could find and sent them all out on loan for 5 years if they hadn't become a world beater by day 30. Lampard was the manager to help develop that join between young and first team, but they only gave him 18 months. The only time they have ever had stability and what looked like a recruitment plan was when the Roman era started, back in 2004. Since then it's been a bit chaotic in the main.
Cartman Posted 25 January, 2021 Posted 25 January, 2021 47 minutes ago, Fan The Flames said: One of the factors that Ralph would consider briefly before accepting the job. True... "one of the main factors Chelsea wouldn't offer Ralph the job" would have been more accurate. The game that must not be mentioned was almost a whole year after Ralph joined and our new signings take a long time to establish themselves... would be a poor fit. Quote Chelsea have got a history of having no patience though. They didn't stick with Salah, De Bryune, Lukaku - all 3 turned into world beaters. They brought in a policy of developing young players, so they sucked up every young player they could find and sent them all out on loan for 5 years if they hadn't become a world beater by day 30. Lampard was the manager to help develop that join between young and first team, but they only gave him 18 months. The only time they have ever had stability and what looked like a recruitment plan was when the Roman era started, back in 2004. Since then it's been a bit chaotic in the main. They have been the most successful English club since Abramovich bought them, so something about the way they do things works. Bayern and Real Madrid are hardly shy when it comes to firing managers either. When you are someone who never really deserved the job in the first place, you can't complain about "not being given time". And 18 months is more than enough.
Ex Lion Tamer Posted 25 January, 2021 Posted 25 January, 2021 Chelsea were good when they spent lots of money. Then Abramovic decided he wanted the club to be self sustaining and concocted this idea about developing youth instead. Regardless of the mistakes they made with certain players, it was never going to work for a team with aspirations of winning titles
Lord Duckhunter Posted 25 January, 2021 Posted 25 January, 2021 59 minutes ago, Cartman said: They have been the most successful English club since Abramovich bought them, so something about the way they do things works. This is what the media forget when they rush to condemn Chelsea in the wake of another sacking. Contrast their approach with Arsenal’s who stood by Wenger. As you wrote, the bloke didn’t deserve the job in the first place. He only got it off the back of who he was, rather than what he’d done. He got given a chance not many young managers get, and he blew it. Whether it was because he got it too early, or whether he’s not good enough, only time will tell. Personally, I suspect he’ll settle for the cushy TV studio, discussing where other managers are going wrong. It’s going to be hard to motivate yourself when your ultimate managerial goal has come and gone so early.
LaptopSaint Posted 25 January, 2021 Posted 25 January, 2021 Class reaction from Ralph to the Lampard sacking: "It’s not interesting what my reaction was, I have other issues in the moment to think about. It’s part of the business." Love this man. 2
Fan The Flames Posted 25 January, 2021 Posted 25 January, 2021 4 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said: This is what the media forget when they rush to condemn Chelsea in the wake of another sacking. Contrast their approach with Arsenal’s who stood by Wenger. As you wrote, the bloke didn’t deserve the job in the first place. He only got it off the back of who he was, rather than what he’d done. He got given a chance not many young managers get, and he blew it. Whether it was because he got it too early, or whether he’s not good enough, only time will tell. Personally, I suspect he’ll settle for the cushy TV studio, discussing where other managers are going wrong. It’s going to be hard to motivate yourself when your ultimate managerial goal has come and gone so early. There's a difference, Arsenal's approach wasn't to maximise their chance to win things. The board were content in staying in the top 4 and Wenger gave them CL every season.
verlaine1979 Posted 25 January, 2021 Posted 25 January, 2021 Tuchel's habit of falling out with owners and leaving after 2 years suits Chelsea perfectly.
bpsaint Posted 25 January, 2021 Posted 25 January, 2021 Chelsea is too big for Ralph, he’s a decent manager but they’ll be looking for someone of a higher calibre for now.
simo Posted 2 February, 2021 Posted 2 February, 2021 Genuine question , not saying he's been awful for us but how many top flight managers have two 9 nil defeats on their record !? He's been seriously let down by the higher management at Saints and if I was him I'd walk it's embarrassing.
S-Clarke Posted 2 February, 2021 Posted 2 February, 2021 Nope. I don't think he will, I don't think the club will even consider it either. But I imagine he's very frustrated. He got our squad to their absolute limits, there was no where else for them to go, and he hasn't ever been backed. Look at the state of our bench, look at the state of our full back options. There's no way he is happy with that, no way at all. How have the club not allowed him some flexibility to baulk it out a bit.
stevy777_x Posted 2 February, 2021 Posted 2 February, 2021 No, one freakish result does not decide the fate of a manager. End of lock the thread 1 1
so22saint Posted 2 February, 2021 Posted 2 February, 2021 absolutely not, we were top of the league a couple of months back with a premier league quality squad of maybe 16 players. Mike Dean and VAR should get fucked tho 8
twopintsnilnil Posted 2 February, 2021 Posted 2 February, 2021 Obviously not. However I think he's got something to answer for. There have been some quite negative comments coming from his direction on the last week. Born from frustration obvioisly, but players do pick up on that and will start to believe they are not good enough and beaten before the first whistle. 1
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 2 February, 2021 Posted 2 February, 2021 Na. Does need to take a lot of blame today though.
Mattio Posted 2 February, 2021 Posted 2 February, 2021 For what? The squad is depleted, we had 10 men after 80 seconds and the refereeing was awful. Also regardless of that, HE bounced us back from the same situation before. 3
S-Clarke Posted 2 February, 2021 Posted 2 February, 2021 1 minute ago, for_heaven's_Saint said: Na. Does need to take a lot of blame today though. Blame for what? He's got a bench full of kids, and a starting kid who goes and gets himself sent off after 60 seconds. Our squad is a mess at the moment, he knows it, we know it, the club knows it. This isn't on him. 6
Dr. Kucho Posted 2 February, 2021 Posted 2 February, 2021 (edited) Ralph’s not the problem. Edited 2 February, 2021 by Dr. Kucho 4
Disco Stu Posted 2 February, 2021 Posted 2 February, 2021 We're in a better place than when he joined us. I firmly believe the problem goes higher than Ralph. Ultimately, without investment, we'll be prone to this kind of capitulation. 1
beatlesaint Posted 2 February, 2021 Posted 2 February, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, S-Clarke said: Nope. I don't think he will, I don't think the club will even consider it either. But I imagine he's very frustrated. He got our squad to their absolute limits, there was no where else for them to go, and he hasn't ever been backed. Look at the state of our bench, look at the state of our full back options. There's no way he is happy with that, no way at all. How have the club not allowed him some flexibility to baulk it out a bit. Ralph presumably is the one who sanctioned Vokins and Valery going out on loan. They aren’t brilliant by any stretch but they have both got Premier League experience. They are two extra choices. If that red card for Jan isn’t over turned and KWP is still out what’s the defence Saturday? A shell shocked kid at right back and Stephens back to his worst. We have played Russian roulette with tonight’s match and probably Saturdays as well. It’s failed, we’ve shot ourselves in the foot again. I’m not saying it’s Ralph’s fault of course, but someone needs to answer a question or two. Edited 2 February, 2021 by beatlesaint
bpsaint Posted 2 February, 2021 Posted 2 February, 2021 (edited) Walk away? Giving up 3 years worth of a payoff in the process? No manager would ever do that. Not entirely to blame tonight, VAR and the ref fucked us mostly, but I do think Ralph shares some of it. Other sides would have parked the bus in our situation, madness to try and carry on playing the ‘Saints’ way given the circumstances Edited 2 February, 2021 by bpsaint
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