Ralph Hasenhuttl

[Holmes_and_Watson]

Euro show on the radio said that Lopetegui has had offers from two Premier League clubs. Coy on the one that wasn't Wolves. Went onto say it's very much Wolves as favourite, as they are really keen to get him, once personal issues are resolved.

[Wade Garrett]

5 hours ago, Roo1976 said:

Sean Dyche was at Hilton at The Ageas Bowl.

Hopefully for Bournemouth.

[Dark Munster]

7 hours ago, Tom & Gerry said:

Yes a very fair article. I don't think there is a right or wrong in this. It's only right to sack Ralph if his successor does better and we've had plenty of bad ones. We once had a manager who in his first 4 seasons finished 20th in the top league then 13th,  6th and 9th in the second division and we kept him for 12 seasons. Mad, bonkers , how could you ever get high up in the top league like that. Well he did. His name was Lawrie something.

I know times have changed and I'm not suggesting Ralph stays that long, just illustrating the point that whatever you do is a gamble 

The biggest change is that relegation then wasn't a financial disaster like it is now for clubs like ours.

[Roboze]

On 31/10/2022 at 09:55, gio1saints said:

I agree that with one more win - 3 points - we are exactly that - a mid table team. I do not agree that Ralph is an incompetent manager though. I think he is very good to excellent - for Saints. I think our criteria must vary.

MY criteria are that we have assembled possibly the highest potential squad I've seen for decades. 

One of Ralphs job is to take a beer money player and get champagne quality play out of him  He is NOT incompetent at that. The opposite. Very effective. BETTER RESULTS, - which is what we all want, will follow squad maturity. Or not life suks that way sometimes. Between now and then - win or lose - we have inevitable transition pain. Its a bxtch huh?  There is no definitive "WHEN BY" date with this. Transition to player and squad maturity to psychological resilience , will take time and that means variable results and performances. Its part of process. Progress is never linear.  Especially at Saints . 

To enlarge on that point : Who can deny Baz is worth more, SAL, ABK, LIV, KWP, LAV etc than pre purchase? And there are other's like Edozie and Mara too. That's over half a team of outstanding talent. We are so close...

We know how hard is that to take young potential and blood it at the highest level in domestic world football - The EPL - and stay alive let alone prosper. The last time we were realistically this close - our potential current quality v the rest of the EPL squads - was early 1980's IMO.  Since then our average league position is ...stattos please help but i'm guessing its not mid table EPL taking relegations into account... its probably exactly where we are right now. 

Yet, we could be on the brink of a wonderful era of young fluid home grown players dominating in the EPL -for US- for once rather than all sold off .   Please take a deep breath and get some context. 

 

IF Ralph is not good enough to tale the next step with the talent we have assembled - i'm listening to that argument and its valid- he has not got a great track record of actually winning silverware. But is he incompetent at his current job? No. Sorry that's simply not true.  

 

The problem is though, when those players do make the step and reach their potential, they will be sold and we will back to square one again, how can you build a successful side with no cohesion?

[Christophenburg]

I don't buy Ralph leaving during the WC being set in stone, we'll have to lose two of the next three games to do that (or a terrible result against Wednesday). Get anything against Newcastle and I'd be surprised if he was sacked.

That said, a nice month-long break with the majority of the squad and then Brighton, Fulham and Forest would be a dream start for a new manager

Edited 4 November, 2022 by Christophenburg

[MarkSFC]

5 minutes ago, Christophenburg said:

I don't buy Ralph leaving during the WC being set in stone, we'll have to lose two of the next three games to do that (or a terrible result against Wednesday). Get anything against Newcastle and I'd be surprised if he was sacked.

That said, a nice month-long break with the majority of the squad and then Brighton, Fulham and Forest would be a dream start for a new manager

Jeez....how many shit results csn this man sustain!!! 

He deserved chances (because of the financial constraints at the beginning of his tenure) however he has refused to stop tinkering with team selection and format virtually every single game, plays people in the wrong positions, has a very poor use of substitutions and this season is still creating poor performance.

He just needs replacing now. No more waiting but SR seemingly are waiting for a particular tipping point or perhaps they are just sorting out his replacement. 

[Christophenburg]

4 minutes ago, MarkSFC said:

Jeez....how many shit results csn this man sustain!!! 

He deserved chances (because of the financial constraints at the beginning of his tenure) however he has refused to stop tinkering with team selection and format virtually every single game, plays people in the wrong positions, has a very poor use of substitutions and this season is still creating poor performance.

He just needs replacing now. No more waiting but SR seemingly are waiting for a particular tipping point or perhaps they are just sorting out his replacement. 

Lets be honest, he won't be sacked off the back of a win against Newcastle or Liverpool regardless of whether his overall record in the short or long term warrants a sacking - that's just the reality

[Bad Wolf]

4 minutes ago, Christophenburg said:

11 minutes ago, MarkSFC said:

g for a particular tipping point or perhaps they are just sorting out his replacement. 

Lets be honest, he won't be sacked off the back of a win against Newcastle or Liverpool regardless of whether his overall record in the short or long term warrants a sacking - that's just the reality

Based on what?

[Weston Super Saint]

31 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said:

Based on what?

Reality.

[Behind Enemy Lines]

It’s getting quite tedious the amounts of speculation that he may/may not go, depending on the next result, or the next two results. 
 

SR are running a multi million pound business, in the biggest football league in the world. 
 

They know NOW*, if Ralph is here for the long term or not.

 

If he is, then individual results won’t make any difference short term, although a few massive defeats over a few games might make them change their minds and rush to get someone in. 

 

If he’s not in their long term plans, then they will be searching, or have now found the replacement, and the timing when this will be done will already be known. 
 

Of course they can still sack him after a win. The past 10’s of games this, and last season, will be enough justification. 

*My speculation 😂 

[Weston Super Saint]

54 minutes ago, Christophenburg said:

I don't buy Ralph leaving during the WC being set in stone, we'll have to lose two of the next three games to do that (or a terrible result against Wednesday). Get anything against Newcastle and I'd be surprised if he was sacked.

That said, a nice month-long break with the majority of the squad and then Brighton, Fulham and Forest would be a dream start for a new manager

Conversely, a new manager comes in, spends a month with the majority of the squad and gets fuck all from Brighton, Fulham and Forest and we're looking for a third manager in a couple of months....

[Mr X]

36 minutes ago, MarkSFC said:

Jeez....how many shit results csn this man sustain!!! 

He deserved chances (because of the financial constraints at the beginning of his tenure) however he has refused to stop tinkering with team selection and format virtually every single game, plays people in the wrong positions, has a very poor use of substitutions and this season is still creating poor performance.

He just needs replacing now. No more waiting but SR seemingly are waiting for a particular tipping point or perhaps they are just sorting out his replacement. 

You would have thought the truly abysmal performance against villa would have done it 

[Bad Wolf]

7 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Reality.

You can't use that as a basis for argument. I could argue that Jesus is going to come back tomorrow and pick us all up in his spaceship to live as fleas on a giant camel for eternity and when you ask why I think that, I could just reply "Reality"

[Bad Wolf]

4 minutes ago, Mr X said:

You would have thought the truly abysmal performance against villa would have done it 

Yes that was horrific. Far worse than either 9-0 IMO

EDIT: Okay maybe not 'far' worse but a bit worse. At least the 9-0's were to decent and teams we had 10 men for almost all of the game in those.

Edited 4 November, 2022 by Bad Wolf

[Weston Super Saint]

1 minute ago, Bad Wolf said:

You can't use that as a basis for argument. I could argue that Jesus is going to come back tomorrow and pick us all up in his spaceship to live as fleas on a giant camel for eternity and when you ask why I think that, I could just reply "Reality"

Moron.

The reality is he hasn't been sacked, despite his results in the past two years.

The reality is he won't be sacked if we beat Liverpool or Newcastle.

What are you basing your converse argument on that he WILL be sacked?

[Bad Wolf]

3 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Moron.

The reality is he hasn't been sacked, despite his results in the past two years.

The reality is he won't be sacked if we beat Liverpool or Newcastle.

What are you basing your converse argument on that he WILL be sacked?

Very grown up.

Where have I argued that he WILL be sacked?

[Weston Super Saint]

Just now, Bad Wolf said:

Very grown up.

Where have I argued that he WILL be sacked?

So you agree with the reality that he won't.

Fabulous.

[Bad Wolf]

Just now, Weston Super Saint said:

So you agree with the reality that he won't.

Fabulous.

I don't 'agree' either way. It might happen or it might not. But let's be honest, the odds of us getting more than a point (even that's ambitious) from the next two are pretty high so we probably won't get to find out what would have happened in that scenario.

[Weston Super Saint]

Just now, Bad Wolf said:

I don't 'agree' either way. It might happen or it might not. But let's be honest, the odds of us getting more than a point (even that's ambitious) from the next two are pretty high so we probably won't get to find out what would have happened in that scenario.

So you're arguing for argument's sake.

And you pretend you aren't MLG 

[Bad Wolf]

Just now, Weston Super Saint said:

So you're arguing for argument's sake.

And you pretend you aren't MLG 

I prefer to think of it as playing Devil's advocate. (That's the case for both of your statements)

[Chris cooper]

13 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

So you're arguing for argument's sake.

And you pretend you aren't MLG 

Josh Starks I tell ya ! 

[Saint86]

2 hours ago, Christophenburg said:

I don't buy Ralph leaving during the WC being set in stone, we'll have to lose two of the next three games to do that (or a terrible result against Wednesday). Get anything against Newcastle and I'd be surprised if he was sacked.

That said, a nice month-long break with the majority of the squad and then Brighton, Fulham and Forest would be a dream start for a new manager

Che Adams made Ralph's case for him at Palace. We create the chances but can't take them. We'd have a lot more points if we could convert our chances.

[Charlie Wayman]

Ralph wistfully reflecting on his career and his time here today in his PC. Could signal his exit soon.

[skintsaint]

A single clean sheet mate, don't get ahead of yourself.

[tdmickey3]

46 minutes ago, skintsaint said:

A single clean sheet mate, don't get ahead of yourself.

Stop it 😉 We had one against Bournemouth, don`t expect another one any time soon FFS

[Bad Wolf]

2 hours ago, skintsaint said:

A single clean sheet mate, don't get ahead of yourself.

Cambridge

[Disco Stu]

2 hours ago, Charlie Wayman said:

Ralph wistfully reflecting on his career and his time here today in his PC. Could signal his exit soon.

What did he say? Can't find anything on Sky.

[johnnyboy]

30 minutes ago, Disco Stu said:

What did he say? Can't find anything on Sky.

I think it’s more pertinent to him being here for 4 years nearly 

What are your thoughts on those four years?

"I think we have not the time now to speak about my impressions but I must say that these four years were very intense. I've met a lot of friends here, a lot of fantastic people and enjoyed every moment. I always said that it is a beautiful job and a stressful one in some moments, but also a job where you can give a lot of things back to the people that are trusting you.

"I think we had some really beautiful moments here and I think in the end four years are quite a long time to be in the Premier League to be honest. When I was coming here, if you told me at the time that I'm here for four years and 150 games it's massive. It's a long, long time in modern football and a very stressful one. You see it. When I look sometimes in the mirror and I see pictures when I was starting to how I look now, then you know what I mean? We're not getting any younger but in the end I must say I've learned a lot here and it is beautiful to have to have this job and to be part of this story."

You must be so proud because not many managers last four years?

"Yes, I would be more proud maybe if we could have also won a little bit more in some moments. I think maybe we could have ended up higher in some years. It was definitely possible and then in the end we couldn't do it. But there are also some things that we can be proud of. But I knew very, very early what is it about working in this club and what will be the issues.

"It is completely different to my last job when I was in Leipzig and it was all about the Champions League. You have to notice, you have to accept and you have to learn that you'll have defeats in the season. But when you can handle this, you can be happy with what you have, which is fantastic people around you."

[DT]

45 minutes ago, johnnyboy said:

I think it’s more pertinent to him being here for 4 years nearly 

What are your thoughts on those four years?

"I think we have not the time now to speak about my impressions but I must say that these four years were very intense. I've met a lot of friends here, a lot of fantastic people and enjoyed every moment. I always said that it is a beautiful job and a stressful one in some moments, but also a job where you can give a lot of things back to the people that are trusting you.

"I think we had some really beautiful moments here and I think in the end four years are quite a long time to be in the Premier League to be honest. When I was coming here, if you told me at the time that I'm here for four years and 150 games it's massive. It's a long, long time in modern football and a very stressful one. You see it. When I look sometimes in the mirror and I see pictures when I was starting to how I look now, then you know what I mean? We're not getting any younger but in the end I must say I've learned a lot here and it is beautiful to have to have this job and to be part of this story."

You must be so proud because not many managers last four years?

"Yes, I would be more proud maybe if we could have also won a little bit more in some moments. I think maybe we could have ended up higher in some years. It was definitely possible and then in the end we couldn't do it. But there are also some things that we can be proud of. But I knew very, very early what is it about working in this club and what will be the issues.

"It is completely different to my last job when I was in Leipzig and it was all about the Champions League. You have to notice, you have to accept and you have to learn that you'll have defeats in the season. But when you can handle this, you can be happy with what you have, which is fantastic people around you."

Reads like a valedictory note to me. '"I think we had some really beautiful moments here and I think in the end four years are quite a long time to be in the Premier League to be honest'

[Wade Garrett]

53 minutes ago, johnnyboy said:

I think it’s more pertinent to him being here for 4 years nearly 

What are your thoughts on those four years?

"I think we have not the time now to speak about my impressions but I must say that these four years were very intense. I've met a lot of friends here, a lot of fantastic people and enjoyed every moment. I always said that it is a beautiful job and a stressful one in some moments, but also a job where you can give a lot of things back to the people that are trusting you.

"I think we had some really beautiful moments here and I think in the end four years are quite a long time to be in the Premier League to be honest. When I was coming here, if you told me at the time that I'm here for four years and 150 games it's massive. It's a long, long time in modern football and a very stressful one. You see it. When I look sometimes in the mirror and I see pictures when I was starting to how I look now, then you know what I mean? We're not getting any younger but in the end I must say I've learned a lot here and it is beautiful to have to have this job and to be part of this story."

You must be so proud because not many managers last four years?

"Yes, I would be more proud maybe if we could have also won a little bit more in some moments. I think maybe we could have ended up higher in some years. It was definitely possible and then in the end we couldn't do it. But there are also some things that we can be proud of. But I knew very, very early what is it about working in this club and what will be the issues.

"It is completely different to my last job when I was in Leipzig and it was all about the Champions League. You have to notice, you have to accept and you have to learn that you'll have defeats in the season. But when you can handle this, you can be happy with what you have, which is fantastic people around you."

Definitely gives the impression that he’s off.

We can only hope.

[Daft Kerplunk]

7 hours ago, Christophenburg said:

Lets be honest, he won't be sacked off the back of a win against Newcastle or Liverpool regardless of whether his overall record in the short or long term warrants a sacking - that's just the reality

Seeing how Liverpool are having a shocker of a season, I wonder if Ralph would cry if we beat them again 🤣

[The Kraken]

25 minutes ago, Daft Kerplunk said:

Seeing how Liverpool are having a shocker of a season, I wonder if Ralph would cry if we beat them again 🤣

I feel like I want to cry when I watch most of our games.

[Harry_SFC]

Hasenhüttl: “You have to accept that we will have 10-15 defeats per season. If it is at the beginning, middle or end, it's not such a big difference. It will happen because the teams are very strong and even if you do things very well you can still lose a game.” 

You've just gotta love this clubs mentality. Losing is widely accepted from top to bottom. Happy days. 

[Turkish]

46 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said:

Hasenhüttl: “You have to accept that we will have 10-15 defeats per season. If it is at the beginning, middle or end, it's not such a big difference. It will happen because the teams are very strong and even if you do things very well you can still lose a game.” 

You've just gotta love this clubs mentality. Losing is widely accepted from top to bottom. Happy days. 

When you’ve got the CEO telling everyone we are just lucky to be in the premier league and our reason to exist is develop and sell players to big clubs then it’s no wonder that sort if attitude runs through the club 

[Fitzhugh Fella]

5 minutes ago, Turkish said:

When you’ve got the CEO telling everyone we are just lucky to be in the premier league and our reason to exist is develop and sell players to big clubs then it’s no wonder that sort if attitude runs through the club 

Spot on. And maybe that’s where the real

problem lies. 

[Noodles34]

Heard from a very unreliable source that’s he’s stepping source that’s he’s stepping down after Liverpool. 
 

[Turkish]

20 minutes ago, Fitzhugh Fella said:

Spot on. And maybe that’s where the real

problem lies. 

Quite possibly. We have to be realistic, we ain’t making the champions league but if the attitude from the top is just be grateful you’re here then it shouldnt be surprised that that sort of thinking filters down, even to the players who might be thinking staying up is job done. 

[Turkish]

2 minutes ago, Noodles34 said:

Heard from a very unreliable source that’s he’s stepping source that’s he’s stepping down after Liverpool. 
 

Wouldn’t be surprised, he’s looked tired and fed up for a while. 

[harvey]

28 minutes ago, Noodles34 said:

Heard from a very unreliable source that’s he’s stepping source that’s he’s stepping down after Liverpool. 
 

Fingers crossed

[The Kraken]

26 minutes ago, Noodles34 said:

Heard from a very unreliable source that’s he’s stepping source that’s he’s stepping down after Liverpool. 
 

[Toadhall Saint]

30 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Quite possibly. We have to be realistic, we ain’t making the champions league but if the attitude from the top is just be grateful you’re here then it shouldnt be surprised that that sort of thinking filters down, even to the players who might be thinking staying up is job done. 

Last few games of each season recently would bare that out.

[Pilchards]

Almost every Saints fan I talk too seem to think he’s going after Liverpool.

Its certainly doing the rounds locally and I expect most have got it from here.

Yes fingers crossed as he’s had his chance plus the team needs fresh ideas and better leadership.

[FarehamSaintJames]

9 hours ago, Harry_SFC said:

Hasenhüttl: “You have to accept that we will have 10-15 defeats per season. If it is at the beginning, middle or end, it's not such a big difference. It will happen because the teams are very strong and even if you do things very well you can still lose a game.” 

You've just gotta love this clubs mentality. Losing is widely accepted from top to bottom. Happy days. 

It’s not really the best attitude to have. But given our status the past four or five years it’s very plausible that this would be the case.

The gulf in finances now is so large that let’s say the top six, who is ever expected to beat them? Aside from another top six club. That’s twelve matches straight away.

The other end of the table is an absolute free-for-all and honestly anything could happen there. They’re the winnable games for us. 
But naturally that doesn’t always happen. We’ll cause the odd upset and we’ll receive the odd upset.

His statement about the number of defeats isn’t unrealistic for a club like ours and the direction we’re currently going.

It’s the attitude I don’t like in regards to expecting the defeats.
Yes we aren’t a European team anymore. We don’t have Pellè, Mané, Tadic etc. But every game is just another ninety minutes of kicking a ball about with each other.

Turn up with the right attitude and you get the upsets, the positive results. If you go into Man City away thinking you’ll get hammered then you’ve already lost.

The mentality of this team has been fragile for years. But the lack of leaders and players grabbing the game by the scruff of the neck will hinder us until senior members of the club, the manager, the coaching staff, the captain etc have changed their attitude.

[Wade Garrett]

9 hours ago, Noodles34 said:

Heard from a very unreliable source that’s he’s stepping source that’s he’s stepping down after Liverpool. 
 

I find the apparent manner of his exit ridiculous.  It’s ok for Ralph, but not for the team and supporters.  With the exception of the 2nd half against Arsenal, we have been a team sleepwalking to relegation in recent weeks.  Ralph continuing at the helm is the main reason.  What motivation has he got if he knows he’s off.

I remember having to give 6 months notice to leave a job, and did as little as possible on that period.

I could understand it more if our target isn’t available until the WC  break I suppose. 

[Turkish]

 

10 hours ago, Noodles34 said:

Heard from a very unreliable source that’s he’s stepping source that’s he’s stepping down after Liverpool. 
 

 

Was it waistcoat FC on Twitter? Seems ITK

[Fitzhugh Fella]

Nuno Santo is a name the dogs on the street are saying. 

[Turkish]

15 minutes ago, Fitzhugh Fella said:

Nuno Santo is a name the dogs on the street are saying. 

The former wolves manager or the one that’s used to be the Portugal keeper and is now a goalkeeping coach somewhere?

[Convict Colony]

36 minutes ago, Fitzhugh Fella said:

Nuno Santo is a name the dogs on the street are saying. 

Edited 5 November, 2022 by Convict Colony

[Billy the Kidd]

Wolves just appointed Julen Lopetegui.

[Badger]

1 hour ago, Fitzhugh Fella said:

Nuno Santo is a name the dogs on the street are saying. 

Are these dogs reliable, with decent sources and a track record of inside knowledge ? 
 

Not sure how I feel about Nuno. Always thought his success at Wolves was built on a relationship with a single agent (and Fosun’s willingness to spend). From what a Wolves fan said to me about the end of his time there he sounded like a Portuguese Dyche.

Edited 5 November, 2022 by Badger